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April 01, 2017, 05:09:54 AM
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I haven't seen any reports of anyone getting their money lately. A number of people won, got refunds, and then it appears alpha's bank accounts started being empty.

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April 15, 2017, 01:34:08 PM
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I haven't seen any reports of anyone getting their money lately. A number of people won, got refunds, and then it appears alpha's bank accounts started being empty.



Where can we sue them I also pay for one miner and didnt get  nothing'!

Anyone have some insiders info?


It's all in this thread.  Someone at one point set up a website, referenced here also.  Problem is going to be time elapsed, although I guess you could argue that this is further evidence that you should get your money back.  All that assumes also that there is any money still there, so you might have to go after these guys personally.

Anyhow, dig through the thread.

I'll go through my old posts to see what I can find, as I did successfully get my money back and at one point posted how I did that.  If I can find it, i'll repost...

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April 15, 2017, 01:36:50 PM
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See here

http://fightalpha.net

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April 15, 2017, 01:47:49 PM
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Here's what I posted way back in 2014.  Obviously it's dated somewhat....


I've put together the following rundown on how I went about getting my money back.  I hope it helps those of you looking to do the same, be that through your CC company, PayPal, or the court system.


*Disclaimer*  **I'm not a lawyer and this is not to be construed as legal advice.  I make no representation as to the accuracy of any of this information, or the likely outcome of any action you decide to pursue.  If you feel you need legal advice and/or representation, you should consult an attorney before proceeding further **



I obviously pointed out the DSR and quoted the following:

“Under the DSRs, a customer’s right to cancel is unconditional.
If customers cancel before they have received the goods, you must refund the total price of the goods, including any delivery charges.
If they cancel, they can refuse to accept delivery of the goods. This cannot be treated as a breach of contract.”
I obviously cited the DSR and quoted the following: 

DSR is here:  http://dshub.tradingstandards.gov.uk/dsrexplained



I stated that Alpha was not denying that this law would apply to consumers, but rather was trying to recategorize their customers as businesses rather than consumers and offered their own e-mail dated July 28 to back that up.

I stated that I was not a business and also that no representation was made by Alpha prior to sale that these sales would be treated as sales to a business.  I had stated this repeatedly to Alpha in e-mails and offered those also as supporting evidence.  Further to that I pointed out that the tax brief they repeatedly cite was issued AFTER my purchase and that it clearly states that it is for tax purposes only:

They site the following link themselves in an e-mail dated July 28:

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/briefs/vat/brief0914.htm


“The tax treatments outlined in this brief are for tax purposes only. They in no way reflect on the treatment of cryptocurrencies for regulatory or other purposes.

Given the evolutionary nature of these cryptocurrencies, HMRC will issue further guidance as appropriate.

Issued 3 March 2014”


What I also cited, which may be new to some people, is the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, which prohibits material omissions of fact, among other things.  This omission of intent to categorize this as a B2B sale prior to sale, IMO, is a material fact that was not disclosed prior to sale.  Alpha T is in violation of several things in this law.  I would recommend anyone trying to get a refund read that entire thing, there is plenty in there that can be used.

It is located here:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2008/9780110811574/regulation/6



Nice job also to whoever has the sites fightalpha.net and http://www.abunchacrap.com/Alpha01052014/atindex.html .  There is a ton of good info on them in terms of statements on delivery dates, some of the notices they sent out etc, that can be used to construct your supporting documentation if you haven't kept the e-mails and other stuff that came out. 




For those that need to file via the courts, even from outside the UK see this site:

https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/web/mcol/welcome
Welcome to Money Claim Online

Money Claim Online (MCOL) is HM Courts & Tribunals Service Internet based service for claimants and defendants.
Money Claim Online is a convenient and secure way of making or responding to a money claim on the internet.


Please note, if you are outside the UK:

for those who are not in the UK and are considering using Money claim online you will need a service address. This is an address in the UK where mail is sent, then forwarded on to you. Here is one such company, I have never used them so check them out yourselves but they do forward mail internationally and accept personal as well as business customers.  There may be other services as well

http://www.cityaddress.co.uk/index.html




So, review the resources above, INDEPENDENTLY VERIFY THEM FOR YOURSELF put together your materials in an organized fashion and file through your CC company, PayPal or the court system, depending on your situation, and if you decide to pursue this further.  For the items you cite, cite their own e-mails to back them up or relevant law from the DSR or  Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008.  Just make sure you offer supporting evidence for any point you make AND THAT YOU HAVE INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIED IT.

It is also important, I think, to cite evidence that they were trying to paste this “you are a business” tag on people, as I think it shows bad faith.  They did send this claim out in an e-mail, dated July 28th in which they both state this and cite that tax brief, which was dated after many sales were made.

For people that want to wait until after they miss their Q3 target date, which may be important as initially by credit card company asked what the date was and wanted to wait until after it had passed to start a claim, use the information on the websites people put up to cite that delivery date and possibly this article, in which Mubasher is dancing on the July 31 date, but is citing the end of Q3.  He is also citing these as business purchases in the article and Coindesk is citing the fact that the tax brief was issued after the sale of the devices.  Bottom line, read the article and decide if you want to include it:

 http://www.coindesk.com/alpha-technology-blames-paypal-dispute-bitcoin-asic-delivery-delay/

If it's through a Credit Card company or PayPal and they are giving you a hard time about the timeframe, simply point out that, yes, it's been after 45 days or whatever, however the breach of consumer law happened after that 45 day period and still before delivery.  As far as I know they didn't start making this claim of "these are business purchases" until well after 45 days after purchase time, but I haven't looked up the exact time-frame they started using that argument.

I would also recommend going to your CC company first.  I've run across material on PayPal that they will try to argue for the vendor, with whom their interest lies, so go to the CC company first if possible.  If you have to deal with PayPal, go for it.  I've seen some people argue successfully there also.

You may have to be persistent with the CC company or PayPal, who may want to simply blow this off as outside the 45 day window.   Make sure you are ready for that first phone conversation.  Get your stuff together and be prepared to have a conversation presenting your case before you make that first phone call, as if you're not prepared you might get kicked to the curb and up locked out of those avenues.


Also be aware that this is going out in a public fashion, so our friends at Alpha may well be reading this.  Be ready to offer more if you can, in the event that they are able to fabricate some actual argument to any of this.  I don't see how they can, but that's what lawyers are for and I have not doubt they're talking to their legal people at this point.



*Disclaimer*  **I'm not a lawyer and this is not to be construed as legal advice.  I make no representation as to the accuracy of any of this information, or the likely outcome of any action you decide to pursue.  If you feel you need legal advice and/or representation, you should consult an attorney before proceeding further **



Hope it works out for you if you decide to pursue a refund. 

Good Luck everyone.

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April 16, 2017, 02:03:11 PM
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i claim a public trustee UK criminalistics proccedure and it took half year and i got an answer that they can't do nothing.

Anyone know what other rights we have? any court in EU for human rights or scam?

How it's possible in EU in 2017 so we as customers pay for article that we didn't get for years  and we are talking about 1500 eur or 2000 eur?

are we living on moon or what?!?!?

anyone have any other clue's how to get back money for miners from alpa technology or anyone know real person's so we can visit them at home?



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April 24, 2017, 12:59:14 PM
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I've contacted the European customers centre back in November 2014 and then they already said that Alpha is claiming bankruptcy so they can not do anything. Sad

Greed is a terrible sin and it has costed me alot of money.
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April 29, 2017, 01:53:44 AM
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I've contacted the European customers centre back in November 2014 and then they already said that Alpha is claiming bankruptcy so they can not do anything. Sad

Greed is a terrible sin and it has costed me alot of money.
You money probably is use for terrorism  Cry

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May 09, 2017, 12:11:18 PM
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Here is one who got his money back in the last days
http://fightalpha.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=l8nahr50t1h0e15r5lg1vgq2f5&topic=167.msg609#new
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May 10, 2017, 10:05:34 AM
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Well done!

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May 17, 2017, 12:43:53 PM
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I've contacted the European customers centre back in November 2014 and then they already said that Alpha is claiming bankruptcy so they can not do anything. Sad

Greed is a terrible sin and it has costed me alot of money.

Do we have any institutions for that type.of scam people?
Or police~interpol? To hunt.down these robbers.of our money?!?!

There are some debt collector that you can approach. They usually ask for a portion of the money they can recover.
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May 20, 2017, 10:01:24 AM
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I've contacted the European customers centre back in November 2014 and then they already said that Alpha is claiming bankruptcy so they can not do anything. Sad

Greed is a terrible sin and it has costed me alot of money.

Do we have any institutions for that type.of scam people?
Or police~interpol? To hunt.down these robbers.of our money?!?!

There are some debt collector that you can approach. They usually ask for a portion of the money they can recover.

Speak with this man here:
http://theukdebtcollector.com/
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June 24, 2017, 06:28:47 PM
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I've contacted the European customers centre back in November 2014 and then they already said that Alpha is claiming bankruptcy so they can not do anything. Sad

Greed is a terrible sin and it has costed me alot of money.

Do we have any institutions for that type.of scam people?
Or police~interpol? To hunt.down these robbers.of our money?!?!

There are some debt collector that you can approach. They usually ask for a portion of the money they can recover.

There was no money left. There is now nothing you can do. Sorry.

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August 16, 2017, 05:28:15 AM
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I'm surprised their website still exists. While it appears their "products" are out of stock so they shouldn't be able to scam anyone else with a pre-order, it seems like it should be taken down entirely.
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August 16, 2017, 07:22:48 AM
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I'm surprised their website still exists. While it appears their "products" are out of stock so they shouldn't be able to scam anyone else with a pre-order, it seems like it should be taken down entirely.

Likely it is still up so they can point to the site and their blog's to us every 3/4 of a year or so and 'claim we are still trying'.

Hell, for all I know some newb sends them money and they still take it Sad


 
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September 08, 2017, 09:15:08 PM
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https://twitter.com/ukalpha  - They still have tweet
that's funny.
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September 08, 2017, 09:23:25 PM
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I mean ffs.... send me my miners lol they are probably mining with all of our paid equipment if it even exists at all.


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September 08, 2017, 09:29:28 PM
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if they mining LTC from 2014, they are now incredibly rich people, and I do not understand why they will not at least return money to people.
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September 11, 2017, 08:53:56 PM
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There never was any working hardware. To their credit, looks like they tried, though.
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September 19, 2017, 05:53:03 AM
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Wonder if the devs of this coin got stung by alpha as well with their ref in the ann - hope they arent being serious lol

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September 20, 2017, 05:46:32 PM
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After GPU mining is no longer profitable to sell computers, their refund policy is just crap, the price may be a little better. Good luck to everyone else. Expensive new wonders can come in half a year. Until people around the world have ASICs make sure that the blockchain is still a train accident waiting to happen.
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