"BlackArrow" ASIC's, Trustable?

[Fiyasko]

http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/
I found them while browing the groupbuy forum and read this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=315952.0
Think they are worthy of getting a full payment in advance? Because I see no real photos

It seems like i'll be going with the groupbuy thread i found, i don't have enough money fore blackarrow, not to mention feb 2014 is Way to far away to beable to assume the total network hashrate

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[zulover]

Preorder??    No more

[wickedsick]

it's not a pre order

real pics here  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=311392.0

[Xialla]

it's not a pre order

dude:

Board will Ship by Nov 1st or FULL REFUND.

so YES, it is preorder. (because they are not shipping once they will receive my money. simple.

[DyslexicZombei]

it's not a pre order

dude:

Board will Ship by Nov 1st or FULL REFUND.

so YES, it is preorder. (because they are not shipping once they will receive my money. simple.

Hi Xialla,

This GB is a bit different then your usual preorder GB.

Black Arrow has a previous line of modestly successful BTC FPGAs. The Prospero is their new line but their own Minion chip won't be ready until February. Bobsag3, one of our co-op leaders, along with another custom hardware maker on the GB forum, paid Black Arrow to do a bullet run with a reel of Bitfury chips they bought.

It's a Bullet Run that has to be shipping by Nov. 1 or we all get our money back! Would BFL dare to offer this soft of satisfaction guarantee?  

How do I know that there will be funds available if we need a refund? It's simple: Thomas S. and I are holding funds for the BA Rounds 9 thru 11 GBs. Here's the wallet address for payments for this BA Bullet Run: http://blockchain.info/fb/14yuzgr

Bobsag3 and BA don't get a single satoshi until we're hashing away at Black Arrow's official US miner hosting facility, which happens to be the prime hosting site for the DZ MC. If there's a refund we *still* keep the hash rate and still get 1 month free hosting thanks to bobsag3. [If you know of *any* deal out there better then this, well...hook a brotha up so we can join in on the fun]

This business insured pro colo facility that's tailored for ASICs is run by bobsag3 as Miner Hosting LLC, and was designed with my input as a pro network engineer who has designed and installed multiple server rooms for multiple world class research labs. And I'm not bailing on y'all because I'd lose my security clearance & a sweet salary as an engineer (and about 12 co-op members out of about 70 know my real ID and research lab location).

[DyslexicZombei]

BTW: the prototype boards were finished on Fri./Sat. last week, which is when that pic was taken that I just added to the R11 OP (thanks jackrabbiit for reminding me; the BA pics were from R10)

The full assembly is already underway.

I also heard from bobsag3 that he shipped a free Black Arrow board to Kanos, so that he can work on getting cgminer to perform well directly with this BA design.

[bobsag3]

BTW: the prototype boards were finished on Fri./Sat. last week, which is when that pic was taken I just added to the R11 OP (thanks jackrabbiit for reminding me; the BA pics were from R10)

The full assembly is already underway.

I also heard from bobsag3 that Kanos has been shipped a free BA board to get cgminer working well with this BA design.

I can confirm all these things, and I asked Kano to come in here and verify his involvement.

[Fiyasko]

Alright!, So where do i send my bitcoins to make a purchase on the group buy, Im in! gonna do some more research before jumping so quickly...

[eroxors]

Alright!, So where do i send my bitcoins to make a purchase on the group buy, Im in!

Hmm....

[DyslexicZombei]

Alright!, So where do i send my bitcoins to make a purchase on the group buy, Im in!

Here's the payment post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=315952.msg3384287#msg3384287

We're not taking PP or Square CC at the moment. PayPal requires us to float shares and ties up our funds for 1-2 weeks. Square officially considers Bitcoin to be High Risk.  [Yes, high risk to the CC cartel]

[Fiyasko]

Alright!, So where do i send my bitcoins to make a purchase on the group buy, Im in!

Here's the payment post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=315952.msg3384287#msg3384287

We're not taking PP or Square CC at the moment. PayPal requires us to float shares and ties up our funds for 1-2 weeks. Square officially considers Bitcoin to be High Risk.   [Yes, high risk to the CC cartel]

There's the text
"Ergo: 1 share = $123 = 8.34 - 10 GH/s + 20 min. UPS backup +
1 month free hosting thanks to bobsag3 with the world's least expensive professional insured ASIC hosting
+ TO BE SHIPPED NOVEMBER 1, 2013 OR YOUR $/BTC BACK!"
and it causes me to worry, what the heck happens after the "1 month free hosting"? Do i have to pay hosting fees for my shares?

[eroxors]

To be honest with the OP, anything this DyslexicZombei guy does is throwing up red flags for me. I'm not saying he's a scammer, but he comes across as very eager to get your BTC.

[Fiyasko]

To be honest with the OP, anything this DyslexicZombei guy does is throwing up red flags for me. I'm not saying he's a scammer, but he comes across as very eager to get your BTC.

agreed

[s1lverbox]

Preorder??    No more

Who actually believe in preorders this days?

No one, i mean no one can deliver on time anything.
I do understand that something is done and someone have to pay in advance to see if the product will have enough buyer to ROI whole project.

But all preorders look like that:

U buying Ferrari and u paying for brand new 2013 model.
Than after a year you received a Fiat or Alfa-romeo which is 1 year old and have 150.000 miles on the clock.

JOKE

[Fiyasko]

Preorder??    No more

Who actually believe in preorders this days?

No one, i mean no one can deliver on time anything.
I do understand that something is done and someone have to pay in advance to see if the product will have enough buyer to ROI whole project.

But all preorders look like that:

U buying Ferrari and u paying for brand new 2013 model.
Than after a year you received a Fiat which is 1 year old and have 150.000 miles on the clock.

JOKE

Nah it'd be more like you buying the newest most Top of the line Steam powered automobile, but you get your hands on it a year later after they've driven it to you and people are driving gas powered cars

[s1lverbox]

Nah it'd be more like you buying the newest most Top of the line Steam powered automobile, but you get your hands on it a year later after they've driven it to you and people are driving gas powered cars

Still will insist my example is way better. Your post just proves that we both know the truth behind preorders.

For all new guys out there---->>>research before spend some of your money. Dont jump on HYIP created by the sharks from preorders companys.

[wickedsick]

Preorder??    No more

Who actually believe in preorders this days?

No one, i mean no one can deliver on time anything.
I do understand that something is done and someone have to pay in advance to see if the product will have enough buyer to ROI whole project.

But all preorders look like that:

U buying Ferrari and u paying for brand new 2013 model.
Than after a year you received a Fiat or Alfa-romeo which is 1 year old and have 150.000 miles on the clock.

JOKE

don't forget if they don't deliver 1st nov you get full refund

and to stay on topic i guess "BlackArrow" ASIC's, is trustable

[Bitcoinorama]

i think you mean trustworthy, as opposed to trustable...

[s1lverbox]

Preorder??    No more

Who actually believe in preorders this days?

No one, i mean no one can deliver on time anything.
I do understand that something is done and someone have to pay in advance to see if the product will have enough buyer to ROI whole project.

But all preorders look like that:

U buying Ferrari and u paying for brand new 2013 model.
Than after a year you received a Fiat or Alfa-romeo which is 1 year old and have 150.000 miles on the clock.

JOKE

don't forget if they don't deliver 1st nov you get full refund

and to stay on topic i guess "BlackArrow" ASIC's, is trustable

I agree, but if u will put money in cloudhashing like Cex.io, and after preorders u will buy hardware which is in hand from others, that way :

a. u dont wait and bite your nails because not mining but dif is going up
b. money works for itself and once u have enough u going for equipment which is tested, in hand and much cheaper than in preorders.

[forevernoob]

To be honest with the OP, anything this DyslexicZombei guy does is throwing up red flags for me. I'm not saying he's a scammer, but he comes across as very eager to get your BTC.

What does he have to do with BlackArrow other than organizing a group buy?
If you don't trust the guy feel free to order from the website.

Although I wouldn't advice you to do that.
I wouldn't wanna pre order something that is 4 months away. (the Prospero X-1 (100Ghash/second))