The simple and undeniable reason why all cryptocurrencies will collapse

[Stratobitz]

Galileo Galilei once said, “All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.” Discovering truth about cryptocurrencies (cryptos) and showing that they are not money but faith based schemes that are bound to collapse, is the goal of this article. The first step toward achieving this goal is to explain why economic relations between people, where transfer of ownership rights is taking place, cannot be based on faith, and how, in that regard, cryptos differ from tangible goods and fiat money. After that, we will know what money actually is, and what it represents. Given this knowledge it will become clear why cryptos never were, nor ever will be money. The rest you can read here: https://cryptofraud.wordpress.com/

Fiat Money?  Less than 10% of "Money" in terms of what people "think" is there; has actually been printed or minted.

Most modern economic systems are based on Fractional Reserve Banking where Money is as Fictitious and Non-Tangible as Bitcoin.

You think when you get you're $500,000 mortgage loan from Bank of America, that $500,000 Check actually has the cash to back it?

It's the same smoke and mirrors as cryptocurrencies.

Cheers!

Strato

[fxsurfer]

How pathetic is this dude to go through all this trouble to prove to a community of Bitcoiners that it is a Ponzi scheme. 

Take some time and look at his post history. He is not even hiding the fact that he is shilling & trolling against Bitcoin. If this

was any other forum, his account would have been banned or deleted. Luckily we know that Credit cards and Bank accounts

are just "digital" numbers on a private ledger, so they must be Ponzi schemes too... right. 

There is nothing complicated about Ponzi scheme - once you enter into it by throwing away your tangible goods or legally binding instruments (fiat money), the only way for you to benefit from it is if someone else also voluntarily throws away their tangible goods or legally binding instruments.

On the other hand, one you receive fiat money on your bank account you have an instrument that borrowers are legally forced to use until all their debt is paid off. So, you are not dependent on someone's voluntary actions and sooner or later you will come into the possession of tangible goods that borowers are forced to sell to get money for their loan payments. That is why banking system is not a Ponzi scheme.

In the bitcoin system, are you dependent on someone's voluntary actions or is someone legally forced to use bitcoins?  Well, obviously the former is true. That is why bitcoin system is a Ponzi scheme.

[charlotte04]

Galileo Galilei once said, “All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.” Discovering truth about cryptocurrencies (cryptos) and showing that they are not money but faith based schemes that are bound to collapse, is the goal of this article. The first step toward achieving this goal is to explain why economic relations between people, where transfer of ownership rights is taking place, cannot be based on faith, and how, in that regard, cryptos differ from tangible goods and fiat money. After that, we will know what money actually is, and what it represents. Given this knowledge it will become clear why cryptos never were, nor ever will be money. The rest you can read here: https://cryptofraud.wordpress.com/

It is up to you mate on whatever you want to believe in, but for some of us, we believe in this new technology and will be prior not to be too late. And may I ask if why is a negative person like you doing in a place like this?

[fxsurfer]

Galileo Galilei once said, “All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.” Discovering truth about cryptocurrencies (cryptos) and showing that they are not money but faith based schemes that are bound to collapse, is the goal of this article. The first step toward achieving this goal is to explain why economic relations between people, where transfer of ownership rights is taking place, cannot be based on faith, and how, in that regard, cryptos differ from tangible goods and fiat money. After that, we will know what money actually is, and what it represents. Given this knowledge it will become clear why cryptos never were, nor ever will be money. The rest you can read here: https://cryptofraud.wordpress.com/

It is up to you mate on whatever you want to believe in, but for some of us, we believe in this new technology and will be prior not to be too late. And may I ask if why is a negative person like you doing in a place like this?

I am trying to warn people that "this time is NOT different" and that Cryptomania is just one of many such financial manias that victimized investors, from Tulipmania right up to Dot-com and beyond.  The difference is of course, that with the Tulipmania for e.g., you at least had actual tulips you could plant in your garden. With the Cryptomania you have useless numerical values.

[ss890]

I never looked at the crypto as money because it doesn't even have physical form to which I can hold in my hand. The money is different thing and we know very well when we have it physically held in our hands. The smell of it, the color of it and the whole appearance of it is just unforgivable and when you have it you know you feel confident about your survival. Crypto currencies are however very uncertain about the whole thing and they dont even have the stable value. So whatever this article is reading I just perfect one. I agree completely on this Galleli guy who made such assumptions about the cryptocurrency. We can have it to earn money however that is really different thing and we can know it from the whole scenario thats currently going on.

[mammon]

Well, if somebody refers to "Tulipmania" then you know how late it is...

[DooMAD]

There is nothing complicated about Ponzi scheme - once you enter into it by throwing away your tangible goods or legally binding instruments (fiat money), the only way for you to benefit from it is if someone else also voluntarily throws away their tangible goods or legally binding instruments.

On the other hand, one you receive fiat money on your bank account you have an instrument that borrowers are legally forced to use until all their debt is paid off. So, you are not dependent on someone's voluntary actions and sooner or later you will come into the possession of tangible goods that borowers are forced to sell to get money for their loan payments. That is why banking system is not a Ponzi scheme.

In the bitcoin system, are you dependent on someone's voluntary actions or is someone legally forced to use bitcoins?  Well, obviously the former is true. That is why bitcoin system is a Ponzi scheme.

Again, the only thing this demonstrates is your willingness and desire to be coerced and forced by those in authority for the sake of perpetuating the myth that debt is somehow necessary.  If you need those things to sleep soundly at night, go right ahead and keep sucking at that statist teat.  

We don't want or need authority to function.  We don't want or need laws to function.  We don't want or need debt to function.  You, on the other hand, clearly need them, because your system is weak without authority, laws and debt.  We're stronger without them.  

If you tried to introduce those things to Bitcoin, it would actually diminish its function.  All it would add is bureaucracy, delays, cost and a controlling entity that would break fungibility and make it possible to block, reverse or otherwise tamper with transactions.  If not having any authority, laws and debt is the price we pay to have what we have, I'm sold.  

Thank you for your efforts in trying to "warn" me, but all you're really doing is convincing me that it's you who needs to heed the warnings.  It's your system that's under threat of collapse.  Not ours.  As soon as enough people realise they don't need to believe every lie they've ever been told to have an economy (all the lies you're repeating here, in fact), the time of national currencies is over.  It may take a few decades, though, sadly.

[fulmetal08larz]

Crypto currency is comparable to an asset where your money will work for you. It is being traded and speculated wherein people's faith determines its value which follows the law of supply and demand. It gives freedom to the wealth of the people. The future is already here and this technological advancement is the discovery of this century to transcend how we transact with our finances.

[fxsurfer]

There is nothing complicated about Ponzi scheme - once you enter into it by throwing away your tangible goods or legally binding instruments (fiat money), the only way for you to benefit from it is if someone else also voluntarily throws away their tangible goods or legally binding instruments.

On the other hand, one you receive fiat money on your bank account you have an instrument that borrowers are legally forced to use until all their debt is paid off. So, you are not dependent on someone's voluntary actions and sooner or later you will come into the possession of tangible goods that borowers are forced to sell to get money for their loan payments. That is why banking system is not a Ponzi scheme.

In the bitcoin system, are you dependent on someone's voluntary actions or is someone legally forced to use bitcoins?  Well, obviously the former is true. That is why bitcoin system is a Ponzi scheme.

Again, the only thing this demonstrates is your willingness and desire to be coerced and forced by those in authority for the sake of perpetuating the myth that debt is somehow necessary.  If you need those things to sleep soundly at night, go right ahead and keep sucking at that statist teat.  

We don't want or need authority to function.  We don't want or need laws to function.  We don't want or need debt to function.  You, on the other hand, clearly need them, because your system is weak without authority, laws and debt.  We're stronger without them.  

If you tried to introduce those things to Bitcoin, it would actually diminish its function.  All it would add is bureaucracy, delays, cost and a controlling entity that would break fungibility and make it possible to block, reverse or otherwise tamper with transactions.  If not having any authority, laws and debt is the price we pay to have what we have, I'm sold.  

Thank you for your efforts in trying to "warn" me, but all you're really doing is convincing me that it's you who needs to heed the warnings.  It's your system that's under threat of collapse.  Not ours.  As soon as enough people realise they don't need to believe every lie they've ever been told to have an economy (all the lies you're repeating here, in fact), the time of national currencies is over.

The only reason the representative money exists is because legal system exists. Without the latter you wouldn't have the ability to restore the ownership rights of tangible goods which are transferred from these goods to representative money(useless paper or digits) at the moment of exchange. No one in their right mind would give away their land, food, cars, houses and other tangible goods for a paper that cannot be legally enforced. That's why we have banks assets, evaluation of the credit risk, collateral, foreclosure, laws, legally binding contracts , legal coercion and courts behind representative money. The crypto world is inherent negation of that. In this virtual world people literally give away their land, food, cars, houses and other tangible goods for a paper in digital form that cannot be legally enforced. I am trying to warn people that this won't last and that crypto system is bound to collapse.

[daarul50]

Galileo Galilei once said, “All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.” Discovering truth about cryptocurrencies (cryptos) and showing that they are not money but faith based schemes that are bound to collapse, is the goal of this article. The first step toward achieving this goal is to explain why economic relations between people, where transfer of ownership rights is taking place, cannot be based on faith, and how, in that regard, cryptos differ from tangible goods and fiat money. After that, we will know what money actually is, and what it represents. Given this knowledge it will become clear why cryptos never were, nor ever will be money. The rest you can read here: https://cryptofraud.wordpress.com/

A very good statement. But crypto cannot be a currency because crypto itself is a digital asset so the collapse stated in the article will not happen as long as the internet to access a crypto wallet still exists. People there assume that crypto is a digital currency but for me personally crypto is not currency but crypto is a digital asset as well as stock. The articles you share will not affect users of crypto to divert and even stop investing in crypto because investment in crypto form is more promising than other investments.

[franky1]

the price is not just based on faith..

there is actually a real underlying cost to make a bitcoin.. that is mining. the higher the difficulty gets the more expensive it is to make fresh coins
this is going to continue for many many years

there are many "resistance points" where certain people refuse to sell below a certain price because they will lose money otherwise.
miners have a resistance price as described above
'early adopters' have a price they prefer which is normally alot lower because they are already in profit from buying early
'recent adopters' are the newer people who bought from the early adopters who have a higher price because they paid more

mining costs can be calculated easily. right now its about ~$8100/btc for mining using a bunch of s9's with FREE electric

however
this can get complicated  if they are given too much in tx fee, their need to hold a certain resistant point based purely on the mining cost for a block reward becomes less strong.

they wont care about 12.5btc costing them ~$101k(~$8k/btc), instead they will start seeing 14btc(1.5btc from fees) costing them $101k. resulting in them valuing their resistant point for 1btc being less than $8k and instead $7.4k

EG
if a block of say 2000tx had a tx fee of 0.00625 each tx. to give a block total fees of 12.5
then the block yields 25btc total(12.5reward+12.5 fee) pools with a mining cost of ~$101k would divide by 25 which is ~$4k
per btc. and thus would happily sell their btc for down to $4k each, and still break even

right now from doing some maths.. mining has a resistance point of $7k-$8k based on cost of mining with the variance of the tx  fee added
early adopters can push the price down low and its hard to really know when, if, how much they will sell for

early adopters have a resistance point of $2k-$6k based on the last 6-12 month resistance points
and late adopters well some got in very late and wont sell unless the price is above $19k because they bought in at that price.

give it enough time and as trades happen you can see when resistance points get tested (patterns of where prices refuse to go any lower) and you start to get an idea of where the safe points are to base the 'true underlying cost value' lays

yea there will be times when the price spikes up high, which is meaningless empty speculative bubble / 'faith' crap.. but if you ignore the highs and only concentrate on the LOWS.. you start to see that bitcoin does actually have reasons why even with alot of pressure that the price refuses to go too low

[DooMAD]

Again, the only thing this demonstrates is your willingness and desire to be coerced and forced by those in authority for the sake of perpetuating the myth that debt is somehow necessary.  If you need those things to sleep soundly at night, go right ahead and keep sucking at that statist teat.  

We don't want or need authority to function.  We don't want or need laws to function.  We don't want or need debt to function.  You, on the other hand, clearly need them, because your system is weak without authority, laws and debt.  We're stronger without them.  

If you tried to introduce those things to Bitcoin, it would actually diminish its function.  All it would add is bureaucracy, delays, cost and a controlling entity that would break fungibility and make it possible to block, reverse or otherwise tamper with transactions.  If not having any authority, laws and debt is the price we pay to have what we have, I'm sold.  

Thank you for your efforts in trying to "warn" me, but all you're really doing is convincing me that it's you who needs to heed the warnings.  It's your system that's under threat of collapse.  Not ours.  As soon as enough people realise they don't need to believe every lie they've ever been told to have an economy (all the lies you're repeating here, in fact), the time of national currencies is over.

The only reason the representative money exists is because legal system exists. Without the latter you wouldn't have the ability to restore the ownership rights of tangible goods which are transferred from these goods to representative money(useless paper or digits) at the moment of exchange. No one in their right mind would give away their land, food, cars, houses and other tangible goods for a paper that cannot be legally enforced. That's why we have banks assets, evaluation of the credit risk, collateral, foreclosure, laws, legally binding contracts , legal coercion and courts behind representative money. The crypto world is inherent negation of that.

Isn't that what I literally just said?  

You need all that extraneous crap to make your obsolete fiat system (or "representative money" as you insist on calling it) work.  We're clearly in agreement on that part.  I fully concede that your "money" wouldn't function without those things.  Plus, it isn't even money when more than 95% of it belongs to banks who never even really had it to begin with.  It's a facade.  What you have are some IOUs that someone puts a gun to your head in order to make you pretend they're worth something.  

We want to be the inherent negation of that.  That's the whole point.  It's precisely the reason we're all here.

Maybe let that sink in for a bit.  It seems to be the part you're struggling with.  Everything you say is necessary, we say is useless.

In this virtual world people literally give away their land, food, cars, houses and other tangible goods for a paper in digital form that cannot be legally enforced.

It can be cryptographically enforced.  Which is better.  The legal system is fallible.  Mistakes are often made.  When we trade physical assets for bitcoins and reciprocally bitcoins for physical assets, it's merely indicative of the fact that bitcoins do indeed have demonstrable value, because, again, we're fully self-incentivised without any reliance on authority, fully self-regulating without any reliance on laws and fully self-sustaining without any reliance on debt.  Not because someone has a gun to our heads to make us pretend bitcoins have value.  But because everyone reaps the benefits of not having the overheads and costs of all the completely wasted resources that go into maintaining "banks assets, evaluation of the credit risk, collateral, foreclosure," etc.  Because, as we've established, we simply don't need them and no one can stop us.

The permissionless carrot will always win over the authoritarian stick.  It's a simple deduction.

As you've already admitted, you know it's only force and coercion that keeps your "representative money" barely intact.  That's a pretty big weakness when alternatives like this become available.  How long do you think people are willing to submit to that coercion when their economies keep failing, banks keep wanting bailouts and everyone gets poorer by the day due to inflation?  It's no contest.  We've already won.  The rest of the world just hasn't realised it yet.  And it doesn't stop there.  Once we're done with money, next on the to-do list is democracy and governance itself.  Imagine when we replace elected representatives with a blockchain.  The truest sense of "representative" (seeing as you keep using that word, even though I'm pretty sure you haven't understood its meaning) governance this planet has ever seen.  That's going to be better in every conceivable way too.  

Everything you think you know about how this world works is about to be disrupted by what we're doing.

You can try to get in the way if you like, but you're pretty much a bug-splat on the windscreen at this point.

[kefir56]

The crypto is not a goal itself, but blockchain technology is, thats what we need to improve banking

[Yarsk]

If you say bitcoin is not a currency then you are wrong because from my understanding of the definition of bitcoin as a digital currency which can be use for online transactions, and a currency is any thing that has legal backing and is generally accepted so bitcoin is generally accepted by those who understand it and are able to use despite the fact that bitcoin does not have legal backing yet but is going to have in time to come. Bitcoin is still at it discovery stage.

[paulmaritz]

Galileo Galilei once said, “All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.” Discovering truth about cryptocurrencies (cryptos) and showing that they are not money but faith based schemes that are bound to collapse, is the goal of this article. The first step toward achieving this goal is to explain why economic relations between people, where transfer of ownership rights is taking place, cannot be based on faith, and how, in that regard, cryptos differ from tangible goods and fiat money. After that, we will know what money actually is, and what it represents. Given this knowledge it will become clear why cryptos never were, nor ever will be money. The rest you can read here: https://cryptofraud.wordpress.com/

It is fiat currencies that are for most part faith based and forced onto us by the threat of violence. It is fiat currencies that have collapsed time and time again when the fiat Ponzi scheme runs out of steam. Normally as a result of reckless expansionary monetary policy backed by nothing more than empty promises. This is normally when the governments and banksters take nations to war in order to rinse and repeat the same old Ponzi scheme. The issuing and control of fiat currencies are centralized. This gives the issuers immense power and undue influence over the lives of people.

It is different with cryptos and with cryptos I mean digital tokens that for one enable peer-to-peer trustless (bankless) transactions within peer-to-peer economies driven by decentralized blockchains. And I am not in reference to cryptos that are used in Ponzi schemes such as Bitconnect or that are issued and controlled by governments and banksters.

Many cryptos are used as currencies, but the vast majority are utility tokens that unlock access to specialized software and the features it offer. Even those that are exclusively used as currencies have utility value in the sense that it enable peer-to-peer trustless transactions across the globe.

Very little to no faith is required for cryptos to work. E.g. smart contracts ensure that contracting parties don't need to trust each other in order for contracts to be enforced. The technology ensures that each party has to stick to his/her end of the deal. If not, penalties agreed on when the contract was signed, are automatically enforced without a third party having to step in and enforce it.

Now of course if someone has zero faith in the technology, then he/she will most likely not want to get involved. However, this doesn't take away from the fact that the technology works and is available. It is after all a tool that one chooses to use or not to use. Unlike with fiat currency, freedom loving people involved with cryptos are not going to force anyone to use it, especially not by threat of violence.

In all fairness, the use of cryptos in peer-to-peer economies can be seriously hampered if governments use violence or misinformation to persuade enough people not to participate (or if a calamity outside of our control strikes).

Intrinsic value is a misnomer. Anything has just as much value as someone or something is prepared to give to it. E.g. a dung beatle most likely attaches more value to a piece of dung than most humans. This while most internet users will most likely attach a higher value to the hardware and software that enable the sending of emails than dung. It is no different when it comes to cryptos. Even fiat currency has value beyond its face value. E.g. fiat currency in the form of notes can be used to fuel a fire, as wallpaper, etc.

I see you use gold and silver certificates and fiat money as examples of something that provide a legal entitlement (right) "to tangible goods or foreclosed property of borrowers." This "legal entitlement" that you're talking about can easily be diminished and outright destroyed. E.g. history has shown that they always issue more gold and silver certificates than the physical gold and silver to back it. This while they always destroy fiat currencies, which are nothing short of debt instruments, via reckless expansionary monetary policy. This represents an indirect tax and theft for that matter. This while with cryptos - technology and consensus - assure that only x-amount of a certain token can exist - its value cannot be diminished via the reckless expansionary monetary policy of a centralized authority. Yes, I can hard fork and create my own x token, but it will be worthless if there is no or little consensus to back it.

In addition, if you're hungry and I own a pumpkin, your fiat money doesn't give you the "legal entitlement" or right  to my pumpkin. And when it is up for sale, your fiat money doesn't give you the right to buy it at a certain price. If I feel the fiat money you offer have too little value, then I will ask a higher price and perhaps even to the point where the "legal entitlements" that you hold are worth next to nothing - because you need a wheelbarrow full to be able to buy my pumpkin. Even if government forces me to sell my pumpkin at a certain price, then the overall supply of pumpkins in the market will dry up pretty quickly - leading to bigger imbalances and to the point where the "legal entitlements" you think you own, become worthless. And when the government fails that gave you the "legal entitlement," who is going to ensure that you're entitled to anything?

On the other hand, cryptos can be exchanged for almost anything, including property, gold, silver, fiat currency and what have you. And if I don't want to accept cryptos for the pumpkin - only fiat currencies, then those with cryptos who want to buy my pumpkin can exchange their cryptos for fiat and pay me in fiat. Unlike the governments and banksters, most people who are into cryptos are not going to force anyone to accept cryptos as payment. People have the choice to participate at free will. There is no need for violence or coercion to force people to use cryptos. It will be senseless to use violence. And the success of cryptos will at the end of the day not be dependent on the successes and failures of governments and banksters.

Now of course governments and banksters are most likely going to issue their own centralized cryptos and most likely force people to use it. However, I am sure there will be enough decentralized cryptos and consensus available to make their threats of no or little effect in no time. Assuming the masses wake up and realize the power that decentralized cryptos afford us.  

[9jaflick]

The potential for the whole crypto currency and block chain technology is huge. It barely scratches the surface now.
 I believe in crypto currencies in the long run, as they solve many issues other technologies cannot by removing third parties.

So don’t think of them as just coins, because new currencies since Ethereum are more than just coins, they build apps and project that may have real world impact outside of their financial value or replacing regular currencies.

There are project like Steem that give construct versions of youtube, projects like Akasha that make social networks on the Block Chain, and hundreds of many others. Some will fail, others will not.

[Schirer]

Galileo Galilei once said, “All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.” Discovering truth about cryptocurrencies (cryptos) and showing that they are not money but faith based schemes

What different is with Fiat money? it also is faith-based if there was a point that people started to fear the weakness of any Fiat in according to scale, it will collapse. You would try to say that it is backed by gold, but no. It has been long time since currencies was backed by gold. Even the gold which allegedly is there to back up some fraction of FIAT most likely is gone and not to mention fractional loans which is absolutely crazy and is another good point that there is little support to FIAT rather than faith and words of politicans. You would say no way Fiat is to strong but there is some good amount of speculations and arguments why wars in middle east broke out exactly because of the reason that one of the biggest FIAt currencies was threatened.

[fxsurfer]

Again, the only thing this demonstrates is your willingness and desire to be coerced and forced by those in authority for the sake of perpetuating the myth that debt is somehow necessary.  If you need those things to sleep soundly at night, go right ahead and keep sucking at that statist teat.  

We don't want or need authority to function.  We don't want or need laws to function.  We don't want or need debt to function.  You, on the other hand, clearly need them, because your system is weak without authority, laws and debt.  We're stronger without them.  

If you tried to introduce those things to Bitcoin, it would actually diminish its function.  All it would add is bureaucracy, delays, cost and a controlling entity that would break fungibility and make it possible to block, reverse or otherwise tamper with transactions.  If not having any authority, laws and debt is the price we pay to have what we have, I'm sold.  

Thank you for your efforts in trying to "warn" me, but all you're really doing is convincing me that it's you who needs to heed the warnings.  It's your system that's under threat of collapse.  Not ours.  As soon as enough people realise they don't need to believe every lie they've ever been told to have an economy (all the lies you're repeating here, in fact), the time of national currencies is over.

The only reason the representative money exists is because legal system exists. Without the latter you wouldn't have the ability to restore the ownership rights of tangible goods which are transferred from these goods to representative money(useless paper or digits) at the moment of exchange. No one in their right mind would give away their land, food, cars, houses and other tangible goods for a paper that cannot be legally enforced. That's why we have banks assets, evaluation of the credit risk, collateral, foreclosure, laws, legally binding contracts , legal coercion and courts behind representative money. The crypto world is inherent negation of that.

Isn't that what I literally just said?  

You need all that extraneous crap to make your obsolete fiat system (or "representative money" as you insist on calling it) work.  We're clearly in agreement on that part.  I fully concede that your "money" wouldn't function without those things.  Plus, it isn't even money when more than 95% of it belongs to banks who never even really had it to begin with.  It's a facade.  What you have are some IOUs that someone puts a gun to your head in order to make you pretend they're worth something.  

We want to be the inherent negation of that.  That's the whole point.  It's precisely the reason we're all here.

Maybe let that sink in for a bit.  It seems to be the part you're struggling with.  Everything you say is necessary, we say is useless.

In this virtual world people literally give away their land, food, cars, houses and other tangible goods for a paper in digital form that cannot be legally enforced.

It can be cryptographically enforced.  Which is better.  The legal system is fallible.  Mistakes are often made.  When we trade physical assets for bitcoins and reciprocally bitcoins for physical assets, it's merely indicative of the fact that bitcoins do indeed have demonstrable value, because, again, we're fully self-incentivised without any reliance on authority, fully self-regulating without any reliance on laws and fully self-sustaining without any reliance on debt.  Not because someone has a gun to our heads to make us pretend bitcoins have value.  But because everyone reaps the benefits of not having the overheads and costs of all the completely wasted resources that go into maintaining "banks assets, evaluation of the credit risk, collateral, foreclosure," etc.  Because, as we've established, we simply don't need them and no one can stop us.

The permissionless carrot will always win over the authoritarian stick.  It's a simple deduction.

As you've already admitted, you know it's only force and coercion that keeps your "representative money" barely intact.  That's a pretty big weakness when alternatives like this become available.  How long do you think people are willing to submit to that coercion when their economies keep failing, banks keep wanting bailouts and everyone gets poorer by the day due to inflation?  It's no contest.  We've already won.  The rest of the world just hasn't realised it yet.  And it doesn't stop there.  Once we're done with money, next on the to-do list is democracy and governance itself.  Imagine when we replace elected representatives with a blockchain.  The truest sense of "representative" (seeing as you keep using that word, even though I'm pretty sure you haven't understood its meaning) governance this planet has ever seen.  That's going to be better in every conceivable way too.  

Everything you think you know about how this world works is about to be disrupted by what we're doing.

You can try to get in the way if you like, but you're pretty much a bug-splat on the windscreen at this point.

Cryptography is not an enforceable instance, it is a technique for secure transmission of information. Enforceability in the context of money means that someone if legally forced to provide you with tangible goods on the bases of monetary instrument you own (borrowers in the case of fiat money). When you own crypto numbers nobody is legally forced to provide you something tangible for this numbers, which means that crypto numbers are completely useless and giving away your land, food, car, house or other tangible goods just to have this numbers is worse than the Tulip Craze in the Netherlands where people sold houses for tulips. You are literally throwing away your tangible property just because you believe that others will do the same thing. If that's not crazy than I don't know what is.

Regarding fiat money and legal system, calling them a Ponzi scheme and negative because few corrupt governments misused them, is as nonsensical as saying that Ferrari is a useless car because someone crashed it, and that protecting our life, freedom and property is evil because we used coercion in the protection.

[Dapper]

Galileo Galilei once said, “All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.” Discovering truth about cryptocurrencies (cryptos) and showing that they are not money but faith based schemes that are bound to collapse, is the goal of this article. The first step toward achieving this goal is to explain why economic relations between people, where transfer of ownership rights is taking place, cannot be based on faith, and how, in that regard, cryptos differ from tangible goods and fiat money. After that, we will know what money actually is, and what it represents. Given this knowledge it will become clear why cryptos never were, nor ever will be money. The rest you can read here: https://cryptofraud.wordpress.com/

It is up to you mate on whatever you want to believe in, but for some of us, we believe in this new technology and will be prior not to be too late. And may I ask if why is a negative person like you doing in a place like this?

I am trying to warn people that "this time is NOT different" and that Cryptomania is just one of many such financial manias that victimized investors, from Tulipmania right up to Dot-com and beyond.  The difference is of course, that with the Tulipmania for e.g., you at least had actual tulips you could plant in your garden. With the Cryptomania you have useless numerical values.

Dot-com was one of the best things that happened to me in this life, and the investment capital from those times are still sitting safely in my various accounts.   If I can make as much in crypto as I did during the late 90's tech boom, I will be very very happy.   

[cryptohunter]

but how will i sending immediately over the internets tangible value for my goods i wanted to order from other side the world??

this is internets money pal

we are all living in a simulation apparently where tangible is merely a matter of perspective

get with the times

If we all asked for the tangible value of our current fiat at once you  would find that little would be delivered to each of us.

It is no longer backed by gold and is just a faith based system too.

You could argue that golds value is faith based.

The only real things you need are food, water, shelter, and pussy. Trading in anything else is a leap of faith of eventually trading back into those things at an advantage.