Technological unemployment is (almost) here

[giantdragon]

Stupid government. New Bitcoin financial services alone could probably add a few 100k jobs, but most of them can't even start because it takes too long and costs too much to get licensed

I like Bitcoin very much, but think realistically - if the FED banksters will stop printing USD and make BTC legal tender, millions of fictional and unproductive jobs (NSA & FBI staff, soldiers, police, prison guards, office clerks etc) will fade away and real unemployment will hit >50% just after few months, not years or decades as probably will happen in case with robots.

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[jdbtracker]

Very true, if DACs using Bitcoin are roaming the world... we could lose all our jobs in a matter of months, it would be a ground breaking accomplishment. All people in the developed world instantly having all their needs being dispensed by mobile Corporate micro DACs 3D printing all peoples needs at a fraction of current costs.

[Marduc]

the solution is to outlaw corporations owning automated systems, but allow citizens to own up 10 automated systems, and charge corporations rent to use them. the government could help the citizens get a few systems to start with, but it would be up to the citizens to market them to the corporations
or use them themselves.

[giantdragon]

the solution is to outlaw corporations owning automated systems, but allow citizens to own up 10 automated systems, and charge corporations rent to use them. the government could help the citizens get a few systems to start with, but it would be up to the citizens to market them to the corporations
or use them themselves.

A corporatist elite now in power in the most countries will hurt corporations' interests...hmm...looks very realistic!

[Kungfucheez]

Clearly the only solution is to nuke the whole earth and retreat into subterranean cave dwellings to prosper and survive. 

[Rassah]

I like Bitcoin very much, but think realistically - if the FED banksters will stop printing USD and make BTC legal tender, millions of fictional and unproductive jobs (NSA & FBI staff, soldiers, police, prison guards, office clerks etc) will fade away and real unemployment will hit >50% just after few months, not years or decades as probably will happen in case with robots.

Why do we want fictional and unproductive jobs? We all have to pay for them. Wouldn't we rather spend that same money to pay for real productive jobs?

[Rassah]

the solution is to outlaw corporations owning automated systems, but allow citizens to own up 10 automated systems, and charge corporations rent to use them.

And who will pay to enforce that law?

[giantdragon]

Why do we want fictional and unproductive jobs? We all have to pay for them. Wouldn't we rather spend that same money to pay for real productive jobs?

I have an assumption that without creation of the fictional jobs (also many service sector jobs are useless or redundant) technological unemployment could emerge many decades ago, probably Great Depression of 1930's could never end!

[Rassah]

the solution is to outlaw corporations owning automated systems, but allow citizens to own up 10 automated systems, and charge corporations rent to use them.

And who will pay to enforce that law?

[Rassah]

Why do we want fictional and unproductive jobs? We all have to pay for them. Wouldn't we rather spend that same money to pay for real productive jobs?

I have an assumption that without creation of the fictional jobs (also many service sector jobs are useless or redundant) technological unemployment could emerge many decades ago, probably Great Depression of 1930's could never end!

Instead of taking 20% of my income and giving it to people who are doing wasteful fictional work, wouldn't it have been much more efficient to just take my 20% and give it to those people directly? I mean, if it's unproductive work, anyway...

[BadBitcoin (James Sutton)]

I like Bitcoin very much, but think realistically - if the FED banksters will stop printing USD and make BTC legal tender, millions of fictional and unproductive jobs (NSA & FBI staff, soldiers, police, prison guards, office clerks etc) will fade away and real unemployment will hit >50% just after few months, not years or decades as probably will happen in case with robots.

Why do we want fictional and unproductive jobs? We all have to pay for them. Wouldn't we rather spend that same money to pay for real productive jobs?

What real productive jobs? in 10 years those won't exist unless something drastic changes. No human on the planet is better than a machine doing the same task, not with ANNs.

Instead of taking 20% of my income and giving it to people who are doing wasteful fictional work, wouldn't it have been much more efficient to just take my 20% and give it to those people directly? I mean, if it's unproductive work, anyway...

"If I'm alone too long I think too much, and I'm not interested in doing that. That won't lead anywhere good, I'm sure. If I'm busy I tend to stay out of trouble. An idle mind is the devil's playground." - Lisa Marie Presley


There is a reason why people desire work, even outside of economic reasons. Many people have a desire to produce, to be productive, to not waste their body and mind doing nothing but pleasure, we may not like doing work but psychologically we need it to remain sane.

[giantdragon]

Instead of taking 20% of my income and giving it to people who are doing wasteful fictional work, wouldn't it have been much more efficient to just take my 20% and give it to those people directly? I mean, if it's unproductive work, anyway...

These jobs are useless only from the market perspective, however strongly benefit the whole humanity! I think almost nobody will be happy to live without environment improving projects, parks, fundamental science, space exploration, healthcare, education!

An idle mind is the devil's playground." - Lisa Marie Presley

+1M. All unconditional income's supporters must understand this fact and stop supporting this stupid idea! There is no other way to save humanity's dignity and civilization than to provide everyone with some employment. And its obvious that full employment feasible only in the planned economy model.

[RoadTrain]

I think unconditional income is likely. The gov't is the only thing currently that is able to provide people with money (because it's THE ISSUER).
The problem is the gov't itself. Any gov't eventually becomes corrupt so unless this problem is solved we won't see effective monetary and fiscal policy.

[Kungfucheez]

I think unconditional income is likely. The gov't is the only thing currently that is able to provide people with money (because it's THE ISSUER).
The problem is the gov't itself. Any gov't eventually becomes corrupt so unless this problem is solved we won't see effective monetary and fiscal policy.

But that can't be so unless the people themselves are corrupt, since a governing body is comprised of the people.

[BadBitcoin (James Sutton)]

I think unconditional income is likely. The gov't is the only thing currently that is able to provide people with money (because it's THE ISSUER).
The problem is the gov't itself. Any gov't eventually becomes corrupt so unless this problem is solved we won't see effective monetary and fiscal policy.

But that can't be so unless the people themselves are corrupt, since a governing body is comprised of the people.

which we are, as a whole.

[johnyj]

Reduce the working hours by half every 4 years 

[Rassah]

These jobs are useless only from the market perspective, however strongly benefit the whole humanity! I think almost nobody will be happy to live without environment improving projects, parks, fundamental science, space exploration, healthcare, education!

Are you sure? Because government has been the worst polluter in the world, is the main cause of pollution in our national parks and forests, constantly interferes with scientific progress, blocks space exploration, and has been screwing up healthcare and education. And I mean REALLY badly!

[giantdragon]

Because government has been the worst polluter in the world

Can you prove your words?

[subvolatil]

Because government has been the worst polluter in the world

Can you prove your words?

because governments are the ones allowing industries to pollute.

[giantdragon]

Because government has been the worst polluter in the world

Can you prove your words?

because governments are the ones allowing industries to pollute.

You are right, most governments are heavily lobbied by corporations which owners prefer to pay bribes instead of reducing pollution.