Technological unemployment is (almost) here

[Rassah]

In a fully automated society, everyone is in the parasite class category. Demand and need will be drastically different than what we see today.

That implies everyone is of a parasite mentality. Some people keep working even after they retire, or after they become millionaires and have no reason to keep working to earn a living.

To keep working, you need to have a job that meet the need of the population at that time. If everything is being done by robot, there will be no need that can't be done by robot and no job around for human.

Impossible. Humans will always find something to do, even if it doesn't pay them anything more than recognition for something they did.

[Erdogan]

Values considerations come from the minds of the human individuals.

All value is created by humans using the mind, the nature and capital (which can be considered semi-finished consumer goods).

All wealth creation is for consumption.

Everything of value that can be brought to the market, has economic value.

Wealth created for an individuals own use, is also economic value, but there is a limit. Think of Robinson Crusoe (without his knife).

Wealth created by individuals for others is greater due to the division of labour and effective use of capital.

Wealth created by associations can be more effective because of division of labour and capital. And, an association can make things that are impossible for individuals to make.

Labour has the same price in all industries (individuals with skills can have a higher price).

Every trade in the free market, including work for money, distribution of goods, creates more wealth after the trade (else the trade would not have happened)

In light of this, robots are just capital, that has the potential to increase division of labour and therefore the productivity of labour. The consideration is the cost of the robot, what it can do, compared to the cost of mindpower, and what it can do.

There is no technology takeover.

[bigtimespaghetti]

Values considerations come from the minds of the human individuals.

All value is created by humans using the mind, the nature and capital (which can be considered semi-finished consumer goods).

All wealth creation is for consumption.

Everything of value that can be brought to the market, has economic value.

Wealth created for an individuals own use, is also economic value, but there is a limit. Think of Robinson Crusoe (without his knife).

Wealth created by individuals for others is greater due to the division of labour and effective use of capital.

Wealth created by associations can be more effective because of division of labour and capital. And, an association can make things that are impossible for individuals to make.

Labour has the same price in all industries (individuals with skills can have a higher price).

Every trade in the free market, including work for money, distribution of goods, creates more wealth after the trade (else the trade would not have happened)

In light of this, robots are just capital, that has the potential to increase division of labour and therefore the productivity of labour. The consideration is the cost of the robot, what it can do, compared to the cost of mindpower, and what it can do.

There is no technology takeover.

Interesting points, could not have put them better myself.

[Keyara]

In a fully automated society, everyone is in the parasite class category. Demand and need will be drastically different than what we see today.

That implies everyone is of a parasite mentality. Some people keep working even after they retire, or after they become millionaires and have no reason to keep working to earn a living.

To keep working, you need to have a job that meet the need of the population at that time. If everything is being done by robot, there will be no need that can't be done by robot and no job around for human.

Impossible. Humans will always find something to do, even if it doesn't pay them anything more than recognition for something they did.

For small group of people, yes. What about the rest of the population?

Our current population count is well above 7B, there is no sign of it slowing down.

[marcus_of_augustus]

In a fully automated society, everyone is in the parasite class category. Demand and need will be drastically different than what we see today.

That implies everyone is of a parasite mentality. Some people keep working even after they retire, or after they become millionaires and have no reason to keep working to earn a living.

To keep working, you need to have a job that meet the need of the population at that time. If everything is being done by robot, there will be no need that can't be done by robot and no job around for human.

Impossible. Humans will always find something to do, even if it doesn't pay them anything more than recognition for something they did.

For small group of people, yes. What about the rest of the population?

Our current population count is well above 7B, there is no sign of it slowing down.

Wrong (unimaginative pessimism) and wrong (ignorance) ... http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2013/01/world_population_may_actually_start_declining_not_exploding.html

[bigtimespaghetti]

In a fully automated society, everyone is in the parasite class category. Demand and need will be drastically different than what we see today.

That implies everyone is of a parasite mentality. Some people keep working even after they retire, or after they become millionaires and have no reason to keep working to earn a living.

To keep working, you need to have a job that meet the need of the population at that time. If everything is being done by robot, there will be no need that can't be done by robot and no job around for human.

Impossible. Humans will always find something to do, even if it doesn't pay them anything more than recognition for something they did.

For small group of people, yes. What about the rest of the population?

Our current population count is well above 7B, there is no sign of it slowing down.

Wrong (unimaginative pessimism) and wrong (ignorance) ... http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2013/01/world_population_may_actually_start_declining_not_exploding.html

Yep, many things point towards population decline or at the very least stabilisation, especially as nations become more developed. And if you're lucky enough to live in the West you have the cost of living putting dampers on family starting among other factors.

[Rassah]

In a fully automated society, everyone is in the parasite class category. Demand and need will be drastically different than what we see today.

That implies everyone is of a parasite mentality. Some people keep working even after they retire, or after they become millionaires and have no reason to keep working to earn a living.

To keep working, you need to have a job that meet the need of the population at that time. If everything is being done by robot, there will be no need that can't be done by robot and no job around for human.

Impossible. Humans will always find something to do, even if it doesn't pay them anything more than recognition for something they did.

For small group of people, yes. What about the rest of the population?

They will get fat from lethargy, and die young of heart complications, or suicides from boredom and depression due to feeling useless. Plus lazy fat people who have no drive or interest in anything are not sexy at all, so they probably will not procreate either.

[bigtimespaghetti]

In a fully automated society, everyone is in the parasite class category. Demand and need will be drastically different than what we see today.

That implies everyone is of a parasite mentality. Some people keep working even after they retire, or after they become millionaires and have no reason to keep working to earn a living.

To keep working, you need to have a job that meet the need of the population at that time. If everything is being done by robot, there will be no need that can't be done by robot and no job around for human.

Impossible. Humans will always find something to do, even if it doesn't pay them anything more than recognition for something they did.

For small group of people, yes. What about the rest of the population?

They will get fat from lethargy, and die young of heart complications, or suicides from boredom and depression due to feeling useless. Plus lazy fat people who have no drive or interest in anything are not sexy at all, so they probably will not procreate either.

So not much different to what we have now? Except I still see many fat useless people procreating with each other.

If they can do that without living off my stolen money, great!

[Arriemoller]

A new Swedish study shows that violent crime and drug abuse is not caused by poverty, but rather by genetics. There is a correlation but no causality between poverty and violent crime/drug abuse.
If these familys are the fat useless people that procreate, then some genetic manipulation might take care of the problem.
http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21613303-disturbing-study-link-between-incomes-and-criminal-behaviour-have-and

http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/early/2014/08/14/bjp.bp.113.136200.abstract

[Rassah]

A new Swedish study shows that violent crime and drug abuse is not caused by poverty, but rather by genetics.

I always thought it was caused by culture. There are poor people all over China, and it seems ok, and rich people all over Wall Street, and they're nucking futs!

[bigtimespaghetti]

A new Swedish study shows that violent crime and drug abuse is not caused by poverty, but rather by genetics. There is a correlation but no causality between poverty and violent crime/drug abuse.
If these familys are the fat useless people that procreate, then some genetic manipulation might take care of the problem.
http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21613303-disturbing-study-link-between-incomes-and-criminal-behaviour-have-and

http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/early/2014/08/14/bjp.bp.113.136200.abstract

Genetics surely plays a role just as different races have slightly different physiological attributes, but raise a kid in Nigeria (or shit UK state schools for that matter) and he'll be in a more violent environment. Let's look at what predominantly causes violence and also epigenetic changes (child abuse).

I really do not understand this bias towards using science to remove responsibility from individuals. By this studies results I guess all those no go areas of London just happen to be impoverished and ignorant?

The fat and useless are only that way because they are enabled by the state stealing other people's resources.

People can play with their genes if they want to voluntarily, but that sounds too close to eugenics for my taste.

[Keyara]

In a fully automated society, everyone is in the parasite class category. Demand and need will be drastically different than what we see today.

That implies everyone is of a parasite mentality. Some people keep working even after they retire, or after they become millionaires and have no reason to keep working to earn a living.

To keep working, you need to have a job that meet the need of the population at that time. If everything is being done by robot, there will be no need that can't be done by robot and no job around for human.

Impossible. Humans will always find something to do, even if it doesn't pay them anything more than recognition for something they did.

For small group of people, yes. What about the rest of the population?

Our current population count is well above 7B, there is no sign of it slowing down.

Wrong (unimaginative pessimism) and wrong (ignorance) ... http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2013/01/world_population_may_actually_start_declining_not_exploding.html

Yep, many things point towards population decline or at the very least stabilisation, especially as nations become more developed. And if you're lucky enough to live in the West you have the cost of living putting dampers on family starting among other factors.

Guess what goes up must come down due to space and resource limitation.

War, disaster, famine and crime will do its work naturally.

[bigtimespaghetti]

In a fully automated society, everyone is in the parasite class category. Demand and need will be drastically different than what we see today.

That implies everyone is of a parasite mentality. Some people keep working even after they retire, or after they become millionaires and have no reason to keep working to earn a living.

To keep working, you need to have a job that meet the need of the population at that time. If everything is being done by robot, there will be no need that can't be done by robot and no job around for human.

Impossible. Humans will always find something to do, even if it doesn't pay them anything more than recognition for something they did.

For small group of people, yes. What about the rest of the population?

Our current population count is well above 7B, there is no sign of it slowing down.

Wrong (unimaginative pessimism) and wrong (ignorance) ... http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2013/01/world_population_may_actually_start_declining_not_exploding.html

Yep, many things point towards population decline or at the very least stabilisation, especially as nations become more developed. And if you're lucky enough to live in the West you have the cost of living putting dampers on family starting among other factors.

Guess what goes up must come down due to space and resource limitation.

War, disaster, famine and crime will do its work naturally.

It's more down to education (contraception plus both parents working) and economic suppression. Part of the reason populations are growing is because there is less war, famine and crime.

[realdope]

We'll need educated individuals so they can work on the only job left (repairing machines)

[mustang77]

The advancements of technology will sooner or later question the monetary system.

[bigtimespaghetti]

The advancements of technology will sooner or later question the monetary system.

Eventually maybe, but until then I think the monetary system will more likely embrace cryptos as a whole.

[Rassah]

The only point at which technology may start causing issues with money is when we can upload ourselves into machines and share thoughts/consciousness. Not only will immortality change the time-is-money dynamic, but it will be really hard to keep private keys private when everyone can read your mind.

[STT]

A new Swedish study shows that violent crime and drug abuse is not caused by poverty, but rather by genetics. There is a correlation but no causality between poverty and violent crime/drug abuse.
If these familys are the fat useless people that procreate, then some genetic manipulation might take care of the problem.
http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21613303-disturbing-study-link-between-incomes-and-criminal-behaviour-have-and

http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/early/2014/08/14/bjp.bp.113.136200.abstract

Genetics surely plays a role just as different races have slightly different physiological attributes, but raise a kid in Nigeria (or shit UK state schools for that matter) and he'll be in a more violent environment. Let's look at what predominantly causes violence and also epigenetic changes (child abuse).

I really do not understand this bias towards using science to remove responsibility from individuals. By this studies results I guess all those no go areas of London just happen to be impoverished and ignorant?

The fat and useless are only that way because they are enabled by the state stealing other people's resources.

People can play with their genes if they want to voluntarily, but that sounds too close to eugenics for my taste.

Eugenics made up a large part of stupidity of world war two.  Its fairly clear to me that the potential of human beings far outweighs their physical limitations and so crime or success is not largely from dna.  Mostly we are all related not limited by where we're born but limited or enabled by our early circumstances as we grow

Part of the reason populations are growing is because there is less war, famine and crime.

Technology is a large part.   Pre industrial revolution most of society was spent just raising enough food to thrive and now we've gone way past in most countries.   I think we have the same amount of crime but less need for violence to succeed in that task maybe.   Look at how many are trying to earn just by swindling online, even crime has developed into something more sophisicated

[waterpile]

In my past work area, I have seen group of people dismissed because the company purchased a software to compute for them and its really sad to see some of my friends go. So, We compete with other people and also with technology... Oh well I guess unemployment will really cannot be solved

[bigtimespaghetti]

A new Swedish study shows that violent crime and drug abuse is not caused by poverty, but rather by genetics. There is a correlation but no causality between poverty and violent crime/drug abuse.
If these familys are the fat useless people that procreate, then some genetic manipulation might take care of the problem.
http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21613303-disturbing-study-link-between-incomes-and-criminal-behaviour-have-and

http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/early/2014/08/14/bjp.bp.113.136200.abstract

Genetics surely plays a role just as different races have slightly different physiological attributes, but raise a kid in Nigeria (or shit UK state schools for that matter) and he'll be in a more violent environment. Let's look at what predominantly causes violence and also epigenetic changes (child abuse).

I really do not understand this bias towards using science to remove responsibility from individuals. By this studies results I guess all those no go areas of London just happen to be impoverished and ignorant?

The fat and useless are only that way because they are enabled by the state stealing other people's resources.

People can play with their genes if they want to voluntarily, but that sounds too close to eugenics for my taste.

Eugenics made up a large part of stupidity of world war two.  Its fairly clear to me that the potential of human beings far outweighs their physical limitations and so crime or success is not largely from dna.  Mostly we are all related not limited by where we're born but limited or enabled by our early circumstances as we grow

Part of the reason populations are growing is because there is less war, famine and crime.

Technology is a large part.   Pre industrial revolution most of society was spent just raising enough food to thrive and now we've gone way past in most countries.   I think we have the same amount of crime but less need for violence to succeed in that task maybe.   Look at how many are trying to earn just by swindling online, even crime has developed into something more sophisicated

Great points. As to swindling online, did you know an entire cult has grown up around online fraud /crime.. I think it was in Nigeria, surprise. I think it was a vice documentary about it.

Couldn't comment whether there is less or more crime. I would bet on it being about the same, maybe a little more?