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[Saint-loup]

The fact that i could roll it 24 times per day doesn't really help when you look at the big picture.

Is there a way to change client's (browser?) seed? Is server seed static (for client, for a day) or is it randomized every roll?
In other words - as we work with server seed, client seed and nonce, what is the lifetime of client & server seeds?

You are talking about the Wheel of Fortune, right? The server seed changes at each roll and is randomized afaik, moreover a nonce is incremented each time. For the client seed, you cant change it or I dont know how to do it at least, but a text under the client seed says that it is automatically generated in the browser through javascript. So the sever seed and the client seed lifetime are one roll.

[bitgolden]

I agree,whenever we don't have higher expectations we also do not feel the disappointment when not receiving a higher prize.I would also like some people mentioned here would love the option to convert the GT tickets to Satoshi if possible as there are people who would prefer more 0.00125 Bitcoin rather than 5 GT tickets.I don't know if Freebitco.in will implement it as it is not in their interest but they can implement it in the sense that you cannot withdraw the money,you can only use it for purchases or gambling in the site,that would be a nice option.

That's interesting. I do not know what is their point of of view, but as we have FUN, why not to use it as a (another) currency?
If we may buy GT, why not sell it, even if not for sats then for RPs or FUN. There is always so many tickets each round, that even if some people would prefer to sell them (for example for RP, to convert them later into sats), it would not change a total amount/chances a lot. I may understand if they do not want RPs or GTs to leave account, but possibility to convert them would be a nice add-on.
On the other hand we may say that they may give GTs for free (almost no consequences for 99.999% percent of users), while when they give RPs or Sats at the end they always risk that that "won" amount will leave the service.

There will of course be a lot of people who would be preferring to get Fun token or satoshi instead of GT ticket, but technically speaking that worths something whereas GT doesn't, it's "free" for the website itself. They could give out as many as possible, and eventually they are going to give that to someone anyway so what’s the difference between having total of 10 million tickets or 20 million.

So, you are asking them to give you something that has a value instead of something that doesn't and of course that will cost a lot. I personally believe that we are not going to see GT tickets turning back into satoshi, it will stay as GT, that makes more business sense.

[o48o]

if you look at the freebitcoin sunday lottery often see the first winner only has a few tickets it's like they are free users who routinely every day do free rolls and get several tickets from every roll that is done every hour

I'm also not interested in buying that many lottery tickets, because the lottery winning is very fair and it motivates that everyone has a chance to get it it just depends on luck, we all compete with other 50 million users in the hope that one day we get an email from freebitcoin because it came out to be a weekly lottery winner, it will give a sweet surprise, don't expect more just do it free rolls every hour

Well, that's probably because there are ton of people with small amounts participating into it. In fact it would be fun to see stats that how many of participants are joining with <100 tickets.

But at least in sunday lottery you have actual changes compared to Wheel Of Fortune high prices. In fact only reason i decided to still continue rolling Wheel of fortune is to get more lottery tickets for sunday lottery. At my level i don't consider using reward points for WoF as buying.

[Captain Corporate]

Thats the thing about the current situation, thequin has talked about it, there was a period where %50+ of the tickets were owned by people who had 100 or less tickets, and thats the reason why we are getting all those winners. You personally winning it with less than 100 tickets is not that easy, but someone with less than 100 tickets winning is a common thing.

I do not understand the people with 5+ million tickets though, is that purely just gambling? Because it doesn't even pay that much so it never really made sense to me, why buy that much? It would be basically just rewards for gambling right?

[Jemzx00]

if you look at the freebitcoin sunday lottery often see the first winner only has a few tickets it's like they are free users who routinely every day do free rolls and get several tickets from every roll that is done every hour

I'm also not interested in buying that many lottery tickets, because the lottery winning is very fair and it motivates that everyone has a chance to get it it just depends on luck, we all compete with other 50 million users in the hope that one day we get an email from freebitcoin because it came out to be a weekly lottery winner, it will give a sweet surprise, don't expect more just do it free rolls every hour

Well, that's probably because there are ton of people with small amounts participating into it. In fact it would be fun to see stats that how many of participants are joining with <100 tickets.

But at least in sunday lottery you have actual changes compared to Wheel Of Fortune high prices. In fact only reason i decided to still continue rolling Wheel of fortune is to get more lottery tickets for sunday lottery. At my level i don't consider using reward points for WoF as buying.

Statistically speaking, even if you have more than 10 million tickets, your percentage of being selected to very unlikely to happen as there are too many players included in the lottery. Even those who just casually visit their accounts and gamble their free roll will also have at least a few thousand tickets which could produce a lot of tickets.

[FanEagle]

if you look at the freebitcoin sunday lottery often see the first winner only has a few tickets it's like they are free users who routinely every day do free rolls and get several tickets from every roll that is done every hour

I'm also not interested in buying that many lottery tickets, because the lottery winning is very fair and it motivates that everyone has a chance to get it it just depends on luck, we all compete with other 50 million users in the hope that one day we get an email from freebitcoin because it came out to be a weekly lottery winner, it will give a sweet surprise, don't expect more just do it free rolls every hour

That is not really a problem, is it? I mean looking at how there are people with very small amount of tickets that ended up winning something, then maybe we could earn something from it as well.

I do not think that hope should die, I do not think that we should be forgetting that it is going to be a difficult thing, just focus on what you could make from it at the very best chance and keep grinding. I do that, and I have never won anything from weekly lottery but that doesn't mean I should give up, it should mean that I should keep on hoping for the best, because if I live another 30 years, that’s another 1500+ weeks, maybe one of them will be a win? Who knows?

[dwyane36]

That is not really a problem, is it? I mean looking at how there are people with very small amount of tickets that ended up winning something, then maybe we could earn something from it as well.

I do not think that hope should die, I do not think that we should be forgetting that it is going to be a difficult thing, just focus on what you could make from it at the very best chance and keep grinding. I do that, and I have never won anything from weekly lottery but that doesn't mean I should give up, it should mean that I should keep on hoping for the best, because if I live another 30 years, that’s another 1500+ weeks, maybe one of them will be a win? Who knows?

Many of us have never won the weekly lottery, and I think we shouldn't get too bothered about it. In the meantime, we should always keep in mind that winning the weekly or the Lambo lottery is purely random, which means that some lucky ones may only need 1 ticket and 1 round to win a prize, while some unlucky ones may not have enough life to win the lottery at least once.

[piebeyb]

if you look at the freebitcoin sunday lottery often see the first winner only has a few tickets it's like they are free users who routinely every day do free rolls and get several tickets from every roll that is done every hour

I'm also not interested in buying that many lottery tickets, because the lottery winning is very fair and it motivates that everyone has a chance to get it it just depends on luck, we all compete with other 50 million users in the hope that one day we get an email from freebitcoin because it came out to be a weekly lottery winner, it will give a sweet surprise, don't expect more just do it free rolls every hour

That is not really a problem, is it? I mean looking at how there are people with very small amount of tickets that ended up winning something, then maybe we could earn something from it as well.

I do not think that hope should die, I do not think that we should be forgetting that it is going to be a difficult thing, just focus on what you could make from it at the very best chance and keep grinding. I do that, and I have never won anything from weekly lottery but that doesn't mean I should give up, it should mean that I should keep on hoping for the best, because if I live another 30 years, that’s another 1500+ weeks, maybe one of them will be a win? Who knows?

I like your words, it's part of the motivation to just play free rolls every hour without having to think and hope that you will come out as a weekly lottery winner, just do what you do there at least maybe there will be 1 week where we can be a lottery winner in our lifetime, though its hard to get because there are only 10 weekly lottery winners and competing over 50 million users there

[Soonandwaite]

actually you don't need a coinmarketcap or coingecko if you collect btc. every time you log in to freebitco you see what you get in satohis.
i would be happy if there are only 3 or 4 satoshis again. then we have a price of 50 or 60k for btc .
that's how it was in november 2021 . there were the fewest satohis on freebtc . but the portfolio was gigantic  

[piebeyb]

actually you don't need a coinmarketcap or coingecko if you collect btc. every time you log in to freebitco you see what you get in satohis.
i would be happy if there are only 3 or 4 satoshis again. then we have a price of 50 or 60k for btc .
that's how it was in november 2021 . there were the fewest satohis on freebtc . but the portfolio was gigantic  

yes it's true it doesn't require CMC let alone coinecko to see the bitcoin price go up and down, but not sure we can know exactly at the value of the bitcoin price, if we see the hourly roll prize is decreasing it's a sign that the bitcoin price is going up, if we see the hourly roll prize an increase is a sign that the bitcoin price is going down, so that's why playing freebitcoin when the bitcoin price is down is better 

[Juggy777]

actually you don't need a coinmarketcap or coingecko if you collect btc. every time you log in to freebitco you see what you get in satohis.
i would be happy if there are only 3 or 4 satoshis again. then we have a price of 50 or 60k for btc .
that's how it was in november 2021 . there were the fewest satohis on freebtc . but the portfolio was gigantic  

yes it's true it doesn't require CMC let alone coinecko to see the bitcoin price go up and down, but not sure we can know exactly at the value of the bitcoin price, if we see the hourly roll prize is decreasing it's a sign that the bitcoin price is going up, if we see the hourly roll prize an increase is a sign that the bitcoin price is going down, so that's why playing freebitcoin when the bitcoin price is down is better 

@piebeyb there was a post about this by TheQuin where he had stated that there was a certain level before Satoshi number changes, but it was a long while ago and only he can repost about this information. Furthermore I believe that for security reason’s they won’t give all the specifics, because then people could try and game the system.

[Strongkored]

yes it's true it doesn't require CMC let alone coinecko to see the bitcoin price go up and down, but not sure we can know exactly at the value of the bitcoin price, if we see the hourly roll prize is decreasing it's a sign that the bitcoin price is going up, if we see the hourly roll prize an increase is a sign that the bitcoin price is going down, so that's why playing freebitcoin when the bitcoin price is down is better 

There may be a lot of freebitcoin users who are used to making their accounts always logged in meaning they never log out, but if we are not players like that, on the start page before logging into the account there is a BTC price indicator so we can find out live price of Bitcoin.

[swogerino]

yes it's true it doesn't require CMC let alone coinecko to see the bitcoin price go up and down, but not sure we can know exactly at the value of the bitcoin price, if we see the hourly roll prize is decreasing it's a sign that the bitcoin price is going up, if we see the hourly roll prize an increase is a sign that the bitcoin price is going down, so that's why playing freebitcoin when the bitcoin price is down is better 

There may be a lot of freebitcoin users who are used to making their accounts always logged in meaning they never log out, but if we are not players like that, on the start page before logging into the account there is a BTC price indicator so we can find out live price of Bitcoin.

I have added it to my phone home screen so I am always logged in,I also keep myself logged in my Linux machine,I just see how much satoshis we get from a free roll and I have learned what the price of Bitcoin will be.It is boring to always log in before playing a roll and that does not make a lot of sense to me but maybe there are users who have a lot of active referrals and they just log in once or twice a day to check their stats and see how much they gained from their referrals.

[Jemzx00]

yes it's true it doesn't require CMC let alone coinecko to see the bitcoin price go up and down, but not sure we can know exactly at the value of the bitcoin price, if we see the hourly roll prize is decreasing it's a sign that the bitcoin price is going up, if we see the hourly roll prize an increase is a sign that the bitcoin price is going down, so that's why playing freebitcoin when the bitcoin price is down is better 

There may be a lot of freebitcoin users who are used to making their accounts always logged in meaning they never log out, but if we are not players like that, on the start page before logging into the account there is a BTC price indicator so we can find out live price of Bitcoin.

On cases where users have not logged out their account and leave it signed in anytime then I suggest for them to go over at "Stats" tab at freebitcoin and you'll be able to check the price of bitcoin. Or if users would like to check your suggestion, then instead of logging out, just try and open another tab or incognito tab to be able to see the price of bitcoin at freebitcoin at the upper right corner.

[o48o]

Statistically speaking, even if you have more than 10 million tickets, your percentage of being selected to very unlikely to happen as there are too many players included in the lottery. Even those who just casually visit their accounts and gamble their free roll will also have at least a few thousand tickets which could produce a lot of tickets.

If there were high changes of winning, i wouldn't even call it lottery as it's statistically unlikely to win in any lottery. But let's say i play with those 10 million tickets and there are total 150M tickets. That gives me 6.66% changes to first price, and if you compare it to Wheel of Fortune (Like i did). You would have 0.5% change of winning with 10 million WoF tickets. That's all i was saying, that i have way better changes in weekly lottery compared to WOF.

[STT]

How to frame the odds in order to compare them would be the study of statistics and probability which is a proper mathematics subject to study.   Theres surely guides online but without doing the maths the wheel of fortune feels better for the participants because you always win a prize where as the lottery only awards the top winners who have to be very lucky.
   I probably prefer the Wheel of fortune for that reason, I know theres a game I play GTA where you spin a wheel and always win something with one prize being much better but I'd compare it to that even though thats a virtual game its still an economy of sorts.  People used to dispute crypto was with any actual worth so all risk games are comparable in that way, the lines between physical money and virtual items has become blurred for sure.

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[Saint-loup]

actually you don't need a coinmarketcap or coingecko if you collect btc. every time you log in to freebitco you see what you get in satohis.
i would be happy if there are only 3 or 4 satoshis again. then we have a price of 50 or 60k for btc .
that's how it was in november 2021 . there were the fewest satohis on freebtc . but the portfolio was gigantic  

Yes it's true, I don't look at BTC price every day because I don't like to be focused on that when I'm not trading but I always use Freebitcoin at least one time every day, and I would miss it if I wouldnt be able to do it. So most of times, I get aware of btc price through the winnings offered by Freebitcoin for the free rolls.

[dwyane36]

so that's why playing freebitcoin when the bitcoin price is down is better 

You're right. The period when the BTC is trading at a low price is the best time to be more active on the freebitcoin site. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the base prizes from the Wheel of Fortune will start to decrease when the BTC price reaches a range of $27-30k. So if some users have accumulated a lot of spins, they should use all of them soon as it looks like the bearish trend is gradually ending.