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November 28, 2013, 01:26:03 AM
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No they forgot to send the power cable so the demo will need to be delayed
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November 28, 2013, 02:14:51 AM
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Still no answer at Payonix phone number.  Generic machine message only...

I was hoping they would actually produce some units   Angry

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November 28, 2013, 02:18:57 AM
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Still no answer at Payonix phone number.  Generic machine message only...

I was hoping they would actually produce some units   Angry

these guys are professional scammers, they have taken peoples bitcoins and have already double/tripled their value.

they aren't going to the bahamas, they're buying their own island.
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November 28, 2013, 02:27:38 AM
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I wander if anyone actually headed to the hotel?


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November 28, 2013, 02:46:38 AM
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I wander if anyone actually headed to the hotel?



If I wasn't actually at a meeting today I'd drive up there and take a look, then again, I wouldn't want to waste half a day to visit the Hilton for 2 minutes and back again.


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November 28, 2013, 02:52:48 AM
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Still another 2hrs 40minutes until they have to make up another excuse ... or pretend it happened and fake stories about it ... or have pictures showing off disguised KnC hardware Smiley

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November 28, 2013, 03:23:21 AM
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They will have technical difficulties  with livestream and won't be available but they will claim the demo went excellent and the so called people that showed up were impressed they sold out again but they won't be able to post any pics onto there blog as the camera that they were using ran out of battery power or their SD card become corrupt.
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November 28, 2013, 03:28:18 AM
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I hope they will do the demo, but, it's not looking good.  I'm keep calling them for over a week and I can't get anyone to answer through out the day and early evening.

Voicemail message changed from actual human to the default cheap machine voice...

Waiting on the live stream and see what we get to see! 

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November 28, 2013, 03:44:27 AM
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They cancelled all orders and will not be releasing any units. No Surprise there. All info on there blog. It was there last wild card/excuse was cancellation.I suppose they had to cancel the Hilton that wasn't even booked as confirmed by the staff at Hilton
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November 28, 2013, 04:14:52 AM
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They cancelled all orders and will not be releasing any units. No Surprise there. All info on there blog. It was there last wild card/excuse was cancellation.I suppose they had to cancel the Hilton that wasn't even booked as confirmed by the staff at Hilton


Righto, so what's the plan from here, who's keen for some civil court action?  They had our money for over a month offering a non existent product, increased it by 3-4 times (depending on when people brought in) then returned our money and said thanks for funding their bitcoin investment.

If enough people are interested I'll make some inquires about a class action suit.


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November 28, 2013, 04:22:52 AM
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They cancelled all orders and will not be releasing any units. No Surprise there. All info on there blog. It was there last wild card/excuse was cancellation.I suppose they had to cancel the Hilton that wasn't even booked as confirmed by the staff at Hilton


Righto, so what's the plan from here, who's keen for some civil court action?  They had our money for over a month offering a non existent product, increased it by 3-4 times (depending on when people brought in) then returned our money and said thanks for funding their bitcoin investment.

If enough people are interested I'll make some inquires about a class action suit.


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November 28, 2013, 05:34:41 AM
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Count me in - I paid via paypal and got a full cash refund after they held my money for around a month.

A friend of mine pre-ordered 2 of the non-existent 500GH/s units and paid in bitcoin, which was 27 bitcoin at the time.  They refunded him 2 weeks later as a cash deposit into his bank account totalling $6400 when at this time the 27 bitcoins were worth $14,000 (approx $500/btc).  The 27 bitcoins at this moment are worth around $30,000 - the $6400 refund, means payonix defrauded approx $24,000 but not refunding in the same method of payment as it was purchased with.  Arbitrage fraud at its best

*edit - it was $6400 because he received some re-imbursements via the 'affiliate program' which was taken out of the refund they issued, so he wasn't refunded 2 x $3799

Did anyone else purchase in Bitcoin?
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November 28, 2013, 09:50:16 AM
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Sushi Review Result:

NO PROOF OF ACTUAL ASIC PROJECT - CONTACT POLICE IF YOU HAVE NOT RECEIVED YOUR REFUND

Company Exist?  YES
Website Exist? YES (But some contents had been deleted as of 11/28/2013)
Proof of ASIC Provided: NEVER (Multiple On-Site Appointments but all CANCELED by Andrew)
Physical Address: Company DOES NOT EXIST at the published address
Phone# Published: YES
Answer Phone: NOT ANY MORE (USED TO BE STAFFED)
Delayed Delivery: YES (At least 5 occasions of promises)
Prior Business Engagement History: Possible signs of possible fraud in the past
Deceptive Sale: YES (Repeated Advertisement of Non-Existent Live Product Demos and Showcase)


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I know Kano, you guys will tell me told you so...  We were holding out on Just in Case Senario.  (If the business was legit)




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November 28, 2013, 10:12:11 AM
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Sushi Review Result:

NO PROOF OF ACTUAL ASIC PROJECT - CONTACT POLICE IF YOU HAVE NOT RECEIVED YOUR REFUND

Company Exist?  YES
Website Exist? YES (But some contents had been deleted as of 11/28/2013)
Proof of ASIC Provided: NEVER (Multiple On-Site Appointments but all CANCELED by Andrew)
Physical Address: Company DOES NOT EXIST at the published address
Phone# Published: YES
Answer Phone: NOT ANY MORE (USED TO BE STAFFED)
Delayed Delivery: YES (At least 5 occasions of promises)
Prior Business Engagement History: Possible signs of possible fraud in the past
Deceptive Sale: YES (Repeated Advertisement of Non-Existent Live Product Demos and Showcase)


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I know Kano, you guys will tell me told you so...  We were holding out on Just in Case Senario.  (If the business was legit)





Thanks Sushi/Andrew.

Ti's not just about the refunds, it's about the money they made out of us tripling our investment and taking the profits.

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November 28, 2013, 10:25:25 AM
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Business name:  Payonix
Status:  Registered
Registration date:  17/11/2013
Renewal date:  17/11/2014
Cancelled date:   
Cancellation under review:   
Address for service of documents:  55 Cavill Ave Surfers Paradise QLD 4217
Principal place of business:  Surfers Paradise QLD 4217
Holder(s) details: 
Holder Name:  Andrew Steven Thomas

Holder Type:  Person

ABN:  83 035 534 935
 
Debtor representative(s):  not applicable
Notified successor(s):  not applicable
Regulator:  Australian Securities and Investments Commission
 
Former State/Territory registration details 
Former identifier:   
Former State/Territory: 


Looks like some recent changes made to the business according to the date and names
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November 28, 2013, 11:44:57 AM
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The google image of the house (I mentioned before) that shows a blurred but guessable number plate.

Step 1) click on the google maps link
https://maps.google.com.au/maps?safe=off&ie=UTF-8&layer=c&z=17&iwloc=A&sll=-28.078153,153.381305&cbp=13,233.0,0,0,0&cbll=-28.078049,153.381461&q=21+Riverwalk+Avenue,+ROBINA+QLD+4226&ei=9yuXUsr-CaS5iAfF6oCoCA&sqi=2&ved=0CCoQxB0wAA

Step 2) zoom in (click) on the back of the white car twice

Certainly end is 'AF'

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November 28, 2013, 12:51:15 PM
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The google image of the house (I mentioned before) that shows a blurred but guessable number plate.

Step 1) click on the google maps link
https://maps.google.com.au/maps?safe=off&ie=UTF-8&layer=c&z=17&iwloc=A&sll=-28.078153,153.381305&cbp=13,233.0,0,0,0&cbll=-28.078049,153.381461&q=21+Riverwalk+Avenue,+ROBINA+QLD+4226&ei=9yuXUsr-CaS5iAfF6oCoCA&sqi=2&ved=0CCoQxB0wAA

Step 2) zoom in (click) on the back of the white car twice

Certainly end is 'AF'

Just an update, I've done some research and I know exactly where Nettfold is(Used an old debt collector trick).  I won't display it publicly here but because I don't want him to jump ship.  PM me and I'll get a group PM convo going or we can setup a private chat somewhere.

Also, I've got all the original ASIC documents here they are for your entertainment:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fg529mfc7k9byvu/2d3730323733343733333.pdf
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jodnrbs0l49tnl5/333737323437333236303.pdf
https://www.dropbox.com/s/c6jms1ctb3yulw5/2d3439393730373138303.pdf
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rgr8dmdgbc5yyre/2d3232363731363438393.pdf


The original address and shareholder is going to be the legit information because they would have needed to have received the original papers, the subsequent changes to 55 cavil ave, and the Andrew Thomas shareholding are all bullshit (as we already know).  The subsequent changes are all done digitally, and ASIC doesn't manually verify them, hence all changes after are BS.

I'll email a contact at QLD Police tomorrow with all this info and see what they say, obviously the police can pursue charges, particularly when it's at this scale but court proceedings are really the only way to get the money.  With that said it's important that the AFP and QLD Police know about it so the bastards can't leave the country.


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November 29, 2013, 12:04:31 AM
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Has anyone noticed all the blogs have been removed maybe trying to hide any evidence that they claimed to have units in their procession
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November 29, 2013, 02:20:41 AM
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Has anyone noticed all the blogs have been removed maybe trying to hide any evidence that they claimed to have units in their procession

Google cache that shit

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November 30, 2013, 06:28:02 PM
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Has anyone noticed all the blogs have been removed maybe trying to hide any evidence that they claimed to have units in their procession

Google cache that shit

For everyone who is interessted, here are my reports of the google cache and something that I've discovered about their mail contact form:
http://www.mediafire.com/?w3adtao9ovxecam

Did anyone of you paid an order to payonix by banc transfer?
If yes, did you report the fraud to your banc?


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