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July 27, 2011, 07:40:56 PM
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It is my belief that the majority of bitcoin users are males. Females, please prove me wrong through the poll.

Moving on, assuming that my belief is correct, the question is how we get them on board?

Let my first state that I think there is a difference in what would attract men and women to bitcoin. Men are more attracted to the avante garde aspect and the technological aspect, while women are more concerned with which technology works best for them now.
They want shinies, they want fast transfers, they might won over by ideology, but probably not the ideology of libertarianism. They want to use the system that their favorite site uses, and they want to use the system their friends use. This by the way probably describes how mainstream males think too.

Shinies:

Lets face it. Bitcoin, in its current state, is not shiny. To make a metaphor, it looks like a very advanced piece of technology with wires going everywhere. Contrast this with the "Apple look".
100 private keys is probably NOT the way to go. It is complicated, and ugly (it could be an option but not standard(
Proposal: One private key should be standard. It should not be in hex, bas64, or anything else ugly. One thing that could work would be a sort of dictionary encoding, where every 20 bits or whatever is mapped to a word. The word in the dictionary would have to be carefully selected to be positive, or at least neutral. If this is chosen, there should be a "generate new address", so that people could click until they found one they were satisfied with.
The websites used with bitcoins are not pretty either (exchanges+this site). Contrast for instance with this:
http://www.westernunion.se/web-inf/images/yes/heroAreaCanIAlone013009.swf (western union)
this is what the sites should have to attract women, I believe.
Proposal: Find a professional designer that takes a look at the bitcoin client. Preferably one who knows nothing at all about the technology behind. Hide the details of implementation, remember how Object Orientation works Wink

Fast transfers:

Bitcoins are a lot faster than banktransfers, but they can absolutely not compete with visa/mastercard/paypal in terms of speed. This IS a serious problem.
I think the advice given to businesses should be that they should accept transfers directly, or after one confirmation. If there is a reversal accept that as a fact of life. For sites with few but large sales, this may not be the way to go, but for transactions under 10 bitcoin this should def. be the standard. An alternative would be to pay instantly via for instance MtGox, but that would centralize the system, which I believe we don't want.

Ideology:

Cypher punk is cool, but does not have mainstream appeal, especially among women. We should tone that aspect down, no one cares about it. Thought should be given to whether a more appealing ideology could be retrofitted so to speak.
Suggestion: "Your local business is struggling to survive under the death grip of credit card fees. (Pic of small local store. Beautiful female clerk, with lots of styling looks sad, hopeless). But there is a cheaper alternative. Use bitcoin, support your local stores. (Clerk smiling)."
This might be construed as too patriotic for some. Too balance it we should emphasize how easy it is to donate to overseas charities, and buy from overseas stores.

Favorite sites:

This is a hard one obviously. We should try to push existing sites to use bitcoins as much as possible (details about doing this are abundant in other threads of course).
We should also try to new stores accepting bit coins to speed up the process. One thing that has been forgotten though, is the focus on stores selling items for women.

Friends:

Site should have a like button. Encourage users to blog/tweet/comment whenever they use bitcoins for a transaction.
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July 27, 2011, 07:49:41 PM
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Girls hate money.


That's why they spend it so fast.


am I right?!  Wink

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July 27, 2011, 07:52:04 PM
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Girls hate money.


That's why they spend it so fast.


am I right?!  Wink
I lol'd. For all of my post's stereotypes though, I'm being serious
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July 27, 2011, 07:55:59 PM
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It is my belief that the majority of bitcoin users are males. Females, please prove me wrong through the poll.

Moving on, assuming that my belief is correct, the question is how we get them on board?
In two words: less mysogyny.

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July 27, 2011, 07:57:19 PM
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I like where your heads at, but I honestly think all you wrote are plus's once females are using bitcoin, but won't get them started.

We need a site, or company to encourage or somehow require females to use bitcoin. Once that happens, all the rest will be in place for it to rock and roll.

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July 27, 2011, 08:02:15 PM
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i can think of 2 popular females bitcoiners off the top of my head, that porn lady that owned vageta and msbitcoin i think her name is with the tattoo.

females will use it when they find out about it, and frankly most here are male because the tech category is own by most all men, with some women every once and a while. and you find most of them playing games, mostly in the mmo category. this is probably one of the female desolate places on the internet that allows females in freely.

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July 27, 2011, 08:02:31 PM
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start a bunch of Bitcoin CLOTHING BUSINESSES.
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oh i forgot.  throw in a bunch of SHOE BUSINESSES!!!
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July 27, 2011, 08:04:10 PM
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are you forgetting a kitchen supply store?

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July 27, 2011, 08:04:29 PM
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It is my belief that the majority of bitcoin users are males. Females, please prove me wrong through the poll.

Moving on, assuming that my belief is correct, the question is how we get them on board?

Let my first state that I think there is a difference in what would attract men and women to bitcoin. Men are more attracted to the avante garde aspect and the technological aspect, while women are more concerned with which technology works best for them now.
They want shinies, they want fast transfers, they might won over by ideology, but probably not the ideology of libertarianism. They want to use the system that their favorite site uses, and they want to use the system their friends use. This by the way probably describes how mainstream males think too.

How about we assume instead that what we are seeing is a sampling of the gender bias existing in the larger IT-culture population and try to avoid generalizing women as wanting "shiny things".

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2 minutes and the GIMP!  Problem solved!

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July 27, 2011, 08:17:26 PM
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It is my belief that the majority of bitcoin users are males. Females, please prove me wrong through the poll.

Moving on, assuming that my belief is correct, the question is how we get them on board?

Let my first state that I think there is a difference in what would attract men and women to bitcoin. Men are more attracted to the avante garde aspect and the technological aspect, while women are more concerned with which technology works best for them now.
They want shinies, they want fast transfers, they might won over by ideology, but probably not the ideology of libertarianism. They want to use the system that their favorite site uses, and they want to use the system their friends use. This by the way probably describes how mainstream males think too.

How about we assume instead that what we are seeing is a sampling of the gender bias existing in the larger IT-culture population and try to avoid generalizing women as wanting "shiny things".

Please explain why there are no women here. Is it because they are in every respect exactly the same as men? I wont say that it is because of biological reasons, because frankly, it doesn't matter.
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July 27, 2011, 08:28:04 PM
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It is my belief that the majority of bitcoin users are males. Females, please prove me wrong through the poll.

Moving on, assuming that my belief is correct, the question is how we get them on board?

Let my first state that I think there is a difference in what would attract men and women to bitcoin. Men are more attracted to the avante garde aspect and the technological aspect, while women are more concerned with which technology works best for them now.
They want shinies, they want fast transfers, they might won over by ideology, but probably not the ideology of libertarianism. They want to use the system that their favorite site uses, and they want to use the system their friends use. This by the way probably describes how mainstream males think too.

How about we assume instead that what we are seeing is a sampling of the gender bias existing in the larger IT-culture population and try to avoid generalizing women as wanting "shiny things".

Please explain why there are no women here.

If by "here" you mean "as members of the bitcoin" forum and by "no" you mean "seemingly less in number than males".  I thought that was pretty clear.  Bitcoins probably overlap strongly with a larger community which is predominantly male.  A non-random sample of that group is likely to be also male (perhaps even more biased).

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July 27, 2011, 08:31:41 PM
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At the time of writing "no", the poll was showing

men: 20
women: 0
other: 3

hence, "no".
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July 27, 2011, 08:43:44 PM
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BTC does not need men or women. BTC needs smart people.

It is the stupid world that everything must look shiny. Indeed, every user is surplus, but I do not think that manipulating people is the way to go. Geez, it is just money. Money was never cool and even BTC is just money. A tool. Not a penis, not LV purse, not something that can be loved or has to be loved or adored.

Everyone has to know he can save money with BTC, but generally women are not the right early adopters. Women probably do not count as much, simply they do not like burning fathers computer with stolen graphic card. IDK why they should.
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July 27, 2011, 08:44:57 PM
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At the time of writing "no", the poll was showing

men: 20
women: 0
other: 3

hence, "no".

Soooo the member list shows a population of....33548.

Why did we think this was a representative sample?

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July 27, 2011, 08:46:17 PM
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July 27, 2011, 08:47:20 PM
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At the time of writing "no", the poll was showing

men: 20
women: 0
other: 3

hence, "no".

Soooo the member list shows a population of....33548.

Why did we think this was a representative sample?

It is probably representative of the people in the thread... = here
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How do we get the women on board?

Maybe we should get out from behind the computer and talk to a few... Wink I haven't said two words to my wife since I heard about bitcoin a couple months ago... Tongue
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btc4shoes.com

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