How do we get the women on board?

[im3w1l]

It is my belief that the majority of bitcoin users are males. Females, please prove me wrong through the poll.

Moving on, assuming that my belief is correct, the question is how we get them on board?

Let my first state that I think there is a difference in what would attract men and women to bitcoin. Men are more attracted to the avante garde aspect and the technological aspect, while women are more concerned with which technology works best for them now.
They want shinies, they want fast transfers, they might won over by ideology, but probably not the ideology of libertarianism. They want to use the system that their favorite site uses, and they want to use the system their friends use. This by the way probably describes how mainstream males think too.

Shinies:

Lets face it. Bitcoin, in its current state, is not shiny. To make a metaphor, it looks like a very advanced piece of technology with wires going everywhere. Contrast this with the "Apple look".
100 private keys is probably NOT the way to go. It is complicated, and ugly (it could be an option but not standard(
Proposal: One private key should be standard. It should not be in hex, bas64, or anything else ugly. One thing that could work would be a sort of dictionary encoding, where every 20 bits or whatever is mapped to a word. The word in the dictionary would have to be carefully selected to be positive, or at least neutral. If this is chosen, there should be a "generate new address", so that people could click until they found one they were satisfied with.
The websites used with bitcoins are not pretty either (exchanges+this site). Contrast for instance with this:
http://www.westernunion.se/web-inf/images/yes/heroAreaCanIAlone013009.swf (western union)
this is what the sites should have to attract women, I believe.
Proposal: Find a professional designer that takes a look at the bitcoin client. Preferably one who knows nothing at all about the technology behind. Hide the details of implementation, remember how Object Orientation works

Fast transfers:

Bitcoins are a lot faster than banktransfers, but they can absolutely not compete with visa/mastercard/paypal in terms of speed. This IS a serious problem.
I think the advice given to businesses should be that they should accept transfers directly, or after one confirmation. If there is a reversal accept that as a fact of life. For sites with few but large sales, this may not be the way to go, but for transactions under 10 bitcoin this should def. be the standard. An alternative would be to pay instantly via for instance MtGox, but that would centralize the system, which I believe we don't want.

Ideology:

Cypher punk is cool, but does not have mainstream appeal, especially among women. We should tone that aspect down, no one cares about it. Thought should be given to whether a more appealing ideology could be retrofitted so to speak.
Suggestion: "Your local business is struggling to survive under the death grip of credit card fees. (Pic of small local store. Beautiful female clerk, with lots of styling looks sad, hopeless). But there is a cheaper alternative. Use bitcoin, support your local stores. (Clerk smiling)."
This might be construed as too patriotic for some. Too balance it we should emphasize how easy it is to donate to overseas charities, and buy from overseas stores.

Favorite sites:

This is a hard one obviously. We should try to push existing sites to use bitcoins as much as possible (details about doing this are abundant in other threads of course).
We should also try to new stores accepting bit coins to speed up the process. One thing that has been forgotten though, is the focus on stores selling items for women.

Friends:

Site should have a like button. Encourage users to blog/tweet/comment whenever they use bitcoins for a transaction.

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[GeniuSxBoY]

Girls hate money.


That's why they spend it so fast.


am I right?! 

[im3w1l]

Girls hate money.


That's why they spend it so fast.


am I right?!  

I lol'd. For all of my post's stereotypes though, I'm being serious

[makomk]

It is my belief that the majority of bitcoin users are males. Females, please prove me wrong through the poll.

Moving on, assuming that my belief is correct, the question is how we get them on board?

In two words: less mysogyny.

[Yankee (BitInstant)]

I like where your heads at, but I honestly think all you wrote are plus's once females are using bitcoin, but won't get them started.

We need a site, or company to encourage or somehow require females to use bitcoin. Once that happens, all the rest will be in place for it to rock and roll.

[ctoon6]

i can think of 2 popular females bitcoiners off the top of my head, that porn lady that owned vageta and msbitcoin i think her name is with the tattoo.

females will use it when they find out about it, and frankly most here are male because the tech category is own by most all men, with some women every once and a while. and you find most of them playing games, mostly in the mmo category. this is probably one of the female desolate places on the internet that allows females in freely.

[cypherdoc]

start a bunch of Bitcoin CLOTHING BUSINESSES.

[cypherdoc]

oh i forgot.  throw in a bunch of SHOE BUSINESSES!!!

[ctoon6]

are you forgetting a kitchen supply store?

[jgraham]

It is my belief that the majority of bitcoin users are males. Females, please prove me wrong through the poll.

Moving on, assuming that my belief is correct, the question is how we get them on board?

Let my first state that I think there is a difference in what would attract men and women to bitcoin. Men are more attracted to the avante garde aspect and the technological aspect, while women are more concerned with which technology works best for them now.
They want shinies, they want fast transfers, they might won over by ideology, but probably not the ideology of libertarianism. They want to use the system that their favorite site uses, and they want to use the system their friends use. This by the way probably describes how mainstream males think too.

How about we assume instead that what we are seeing is a sampling of the gender bias existing in the larger IT-culture population and try to avoid generalizing women as wanting "shiny things".

[indicasteve]

2 minutes and the GIMP!  Problem solved!

[im3w1l]

It is my belief that the majority of bitcoin users are males. Females, please prove me wrong through the poll.

Moving on, assuming that my belief is correct, the question is how we get them on board?

Let my first state that I think there is a difference in what would attract men and women to bitcoin. Men are more attracted to the avante garde aspect and the technological aspect, while women are more concerned with which technology works best for them now.
They want shinies, they want fast transfers, they might won over by ideology, but probably not the ideology of libertarianism. They want to use the system that their favorite site uses, and they want to use the system their friends use. This by the way probably describes how mainstream males think too.

How about we assume instead that what we are seeing is a sampling of the gender bias existing in the larger IT-culture population and try to avoid generalizing women as wanting "shiny things".

Please explain why there are no women here. Is it because they are in every respect exactly the same as men? I wont say that it is because of biological reasons, because frankly, it doesn't matter.

[jgraham]

It is my belief that the majority of bitcoin users are males. Females, please prove me wrong through the poll.

Moving on, assuming that my belief is correct, the question is how we get them on board?

Let my first state that I think there is a difference in what would attract men and women to bitcoin. Men are more attracted to the avante garde aspect and the technological aspect, while women are more concerned with which technology works best for them now.
They want shinies, they want fast transfers, they might won over by ideology, but probably not the ideology of libertarianism. They want to use the system that their favorite site uses, and they want to use the system their friends use. This by the way probably describes how mainstream males think too.

How about we assume instead that what we are seeing is a sampling of the gender bias existing in the larger IT-culture population and try to avoid generalizing women as wanting "shiny things".

Please explain why there are no women here.

If by "here" you mean "as members of the bitcoin" forum and by "no" you mean "seemingly less in number than males".  I thought that was pretty clear.  Bitcoins probably overlap strongly with a larger community which is predominantly male.  A non-random sample of that group is likely to be also male (perhaps even more biased).

[im3w1l]

At the time of writing "no", the poll was showing

men: 20
women: 0
other: 3

hence, "no".

[Atdhe]

BTC does not need men or women. BTC needs smart people.

It is the stupid world that everything must look shiny. Indeed, every user is surplus, but I do not think that manipulating people is the way to go. Geez, it is just money. Money was never cool and even BTC is just money. A tool. Not a penis, not LV purse, not something that can be loved or has to be loved or adored.

Everyone has to know he can save money with BTC, but generally women are not the right early adopters. Women probably do not count as much, simply they do not like burning fathers computer with stolen graphic card. IDK why they should.

[jgraham]

At the time of writing "no", the poll was showing

men: 20
women: 0
other: 3

hence, "no".

Soooo the member list shows a population of....33548.

Why did we think this was a representative sample?

[Kermee]

btc4shoes.com

[im3w1l]

At the time of writing "no", the poll was showing

men: 20
women: 0
other: 3

hence, "no".

Soooo the member list shows a population of....33548.

Why did we think this was a representative sample?

It is probably representative of the people in the thread... = here

[Trader Steve]

How do we get the women on board?

Maybe we should get out from behind the computer and talk to a few... I haven't said two words to my wife since I heard about bitcoin a couple months ago...

[BitPay Business Solutions]

btc4shoes.com

and purses!

[Mistafreeze]

"Yes please" should've been an option in the pole.

[Jaime Frontero]

It is my belief that the majority of bitcoin users are males. Females, please prove me wrong through the poll.

Moving on, assuming that my belief is correct, the question is how we get them on board?

In two words: less mysogyny.

this.

what a forum, in that regard.  all the economics and computer knowledge one could want...

[im3w1l]

How do we get the women on board?

Maybe we should get out from behind the computer and talk to a few... I haven't said two words to my wife since I heard about bitcoin a couple months ago...

Where is this "out" you speak of? Sounds like paradise... Care to give me a link?

[enmaku]

My fiancee (yes, a woman) is working out the details of a somewhat more stylish bitcoin clothing line than the standard "white text on black shirt" we geeks seem so fond of and plans on offering the whole line for BTC. I had to help her get opencart working with the bitcoin plugin but otherwise she's done the whole mess herself. (she's geek enough for HTML/CSS but not for PHP... yet... give me time  )

Of course she also shares my habit of starting far more projects than ever get finished so who knows if it'll actually happen. In any case, I have learned from her directly that women will not admit to lacking a Y chromosome on the internet, probably won't respond to these polls and if they do respond, will probably lie. I've seen firsthand what happens when women openly admit their gender in certain corners of the net, and I don't blame them.

[im3w1l]

enmaku:
sounds like a great idea. push her to follow through .

Regarding women being afraid to admit their true sex in the poll, the poll is anonymous.

[Tasty Champa]

gay dudes, sparkly things, dogs and sex toys, that's how you get women.
Women love gay dudes, sex toys, sparkly things and dogs.

so if you want women in bitcoins, get boutique fashion designers to only accept bitcoins.

[Tasty Champa]

I forgot shoes.

Women love shoes more than all of the above.

sell shoes 4 bitcoins.

[Jaime Frontero]

there really isn't a face-palm pic on the internet good enough for this thread.

[elements]

Make Zalando accept Bitcoin only and the revolution is nay!

[jgraham]

there really isn't a face-palm pic on the internet good enough for this thread.

this

[dub0matic]

They are all playing WOW. 

[walidzohair]

well .. originally most of the geeks are males .. and hence the creations. I am sorry to admit it but women are more practical than men. and that why we usually live in couples with them. so they produce our children and take care of us and them!

and finally .. a very interesting question.... what the hell is (other) the third choice in your poll do we have aliens using btc as well. sorry for the trannies and lesbos but yet they count themselves as men or women one way or (another)!

[Elwar]

I am working on accepting bitcoins at my wife's boutique:

http://www.heidijosboutique.com

Unfortunately I set up the shop before taking Bitcoin into consideration so it will require some modification.

[Kermee]

I am working on accepting bitcoins at my wife's boutique:

http://www.heidijosboutique.com

Unfortunately I set up the shop before taking Bitcoin into consideration so it will require some modification.

Nicely done & professional site.  If you added BTC's as a form of payment, I'd think it'd be the first on-line "Boutique"-style store that accepted BTC...

I can see the potential female customer now asking her significant other...

"But honey... It's only ฿8.92857143... Pretty PLEASE?!"



Sounds so much more inexpensive than $125.00 USD throwing in the psychological aspect of it...

Cheers,
Kermee

[teknohog]

My fiancee (yes, a woman) is working out the details of a somewhat more stylish bitcoin clothing line than the standard "white text on black shirt" we geeks seem so fond of and plans on offering the whole line for BTC.

Looking forward to this -- I'm a heterosexual guy and a geek who cares about his looks. (My FPGA miner has a matching blue heatsink.)

[im3w1l]

I am working on accepting bitcoins at my wife's boutique:

http://www.heidijosboutique.com

Unfortunately I set up the shop before taking Bitcoin into consideration so it will require some modification.

Nicely done & professional site.  If you added BTC's as a form of payment, I'd think it'd be the first on-line "Boutique"-style store that accepted BTC...

I can see the potential female customer now asking her significant other...

"But honey... It's only ฿8.92857143... Pretty PLEASE?!"



Sounds so much more inexpensive than $125.00 USD throwing in the psychological aspect of it...

Cheers,
Kermee

The decimals HAVE to go. They are everything that is wrong with bitcoin as it is now

[timmey]

My FPGA miner has a matching blue heatsink.

Now that's some dirty talk....tell me more!

There are at least two women on this forum! One got a nice bitcoin tattoo and i saw another one that bought a bitcoin t-shirt and posted pictures! Please don't scare them away.

[samr7]

100 private keys is probably NOT the way to go. It is complicated, and ugly (it could be an option but not standard(
Proposal: One private key should be standard. It should not be in hex, bas64, or anything else ugly. One thing that could work would be a sort of dictionary encoding, where every 20 bits or whatever is mapped to a word. The word in the dictionary would have to be carefully selected to be positive, or at least neutral. If this is chosen, there should be a "generate new address", so that people could click until they found one they were satisfied with.

I completely agree with the direction of your original post, and most of the ideas you present.

Regarding the idea of using a dictionary to map receiving addresses to words, it seems quite clever, maybe along the lines of how the Amazon payphrases are constructed.  For fun I tried implementing this using a spell check dictionary of about 500,000 mixed English words, with punctuated words removed.  My address:

1samr7UZxtC6MEAFHqr1h3Kq453xJJbe4

translated to:

Chaplinesque-stuccoworker-prevail-unadduced-gola-focalisation-fettlings-undependent-kulkarni-Canadian

The dictionary I used is broad and isn't limited to the emotional connotations you're looking for.  Creating such a dictionary will take a lot of people more than 10 minutes, and would be shorter, potentially requiring more words per address.  But whatever dictionary is selected, the choice would bind us to the locality that dictionary comes from, i.e. it would make bitcoin American-English centric.

So, is this any more palatable?

[JeffK]

As a self-diagnosed sufferer of Asperger's syndrome who posts on forums about cryptocurrencies and has misogynistic tendencies due to my inability to view women as anything other than a two dimensional caricature based on modern media, I consider myself to be a professional on women.

Like the others in the thread, I believe all women are superficial and care only about shiny objects, clothing, other material goods, and things with matching colors.

I also agree that are too dumb and not selfish enough to grasp perfect idealogies like libertarianism, so here are my suggestions about how to get more women involved in Bitcoins:

Rename wallet.dat to purse.dat, maybe CoCoPurse.dat, women love purses!

Replace long Bitcoin addresses with short dictionary words, like "dog", or "house", or "sexinthecity". Women might be able to work with short words

[ctoon6]

100 private keys is probably NOT the way to go. It is complicated, and ugly (it could be an option but not standard(
Proposal: One private key should be standard. It should not be in hex, bas64, or anything else ugly. One thing that could work would be a sort of dictionary encoding, where every 20 bits or whatever is mapped to a word. The word in the dictionary would have to be carefully selected to be positive, or at least neutral. If this is chosen, there should be a "generate new address", so that people could click until they found one they were satisfied with.

I completely agree with the direction of your original post, and most of the ideas you present.

Regarding the idea of using a dictionary to map receiving addresses to words, it seems quite clever, maybe along the lines of how the Amazon payphrases are constructed.  For fun I tried implementing this using a spell check dictionary of about 500,000 mixed English words, with punctuated words removed.  My address:

1samr7UZxtC6MEAFHqr1h3Kq453xJJbe4

translated to:

Chaplinesque-stuccoworker-prevail-unadduced-gola-focalisation-fettlings-undependent-kulkarni-Canadian

The dictionary I used is broad and isn't limited to the emotional connotations you're looking for.  Creating such a dictionary will take a lot of people more than 10 minutes, and would be shorter, potentially requiring more words per address.  But whatever dictionary is selected, the choice would bind us to the locality that dictionary comes from, i.e. it would make bitcoin American-English centric.

So, is this any more palatable?

I do not think i could remember all that. although i like hiding things, so i could hide all of them papers and put a number on each word. the number would construct a large number i have memorized and is important to me. so you would need to know where all the words are, and the number to put them in order.

[im3w1l]

As a self-diagnosed sufferer of Asperger's syndrome who posts on forums about cryptocurrencies and has misogynistic tendencies due to my inability to view women as anything other than a two dimensional caricature based on modern media, I consider myself to be a professional on women.

Like the others in the thread, I believe all women are superficial and care only about shiny objects, clothing, other material goods, and things with matching colors.

I also agree that are too dumb and not selfish enough to grasp perfect idealogies like libertarianism, so here are my suggestions about how to get more women involved in Bitcoins:

Rename wallet.dat to purse.dat, maybe CoCoPurse.dat, women love purses!

Replace long Bitcoin addresses with short dictionary words, like "dog", or "house", or "sexinthecity". Women might be able to work with short words

you are a fucking genius! of course the addresses should be even shorter. bringing us to... namecoins!

[Jack of Diamonds]

I believe all women are superficial and care only about shiny objects, clothing, other material goods, and things with matching colors.

Nothing which is fringe has support among women. Women tend to concentrate in averages in everything. Female bitcoin users are of above average intelligence, capable of understanding concepts like cryptography and hence rare.

Bitcoin will gain the support of women when it's not 'unknown', 'new' or 'scary'.
That is, when you can use it to buy coffee at starbucks or pay your groceries.

Or when your grandmother can use a swipe-card to buy medicine by bitcoin in a physical pharmacy.

I don't particularly care whether it's evolutionary biology, hormone levels or brain differences, but that's reality.
I'm only interested in profiting from reality rather than judging or profiling people with no gain. Since most women behave this way it must be natural behavior.

So while it might be entertaining to make fun of their pettiness, conformity or general lack of 'guts', there is nothing to be gained from hating them. If those traits have survived for millions of years in the DNA chain then there must be *some* benefit to them.

Women with internet access have money just as men do. Which means tapping into an uncharted market (female e-currency users) can potentially yield huge profits if done and marketed right.
Emphasizing the safety aspects of bitcoins. The fact you could use a mobile phone to send money to your kids, friends, relatives, etc.
Being able to pay for everyday, but also finer products and services women use. Definitely start with something like women's handbags or brand shoes. Jewelry. Cosmetics. Yes that's shallow but that's what women like in general, the end.

[Tasty Champa]

can any of you imagine what they use for passwords.
here is a hint:

"imadirtylittleslut"

and then they smirk everytime they type it. XD

We will have to insist they use more intricately thought provoking passwords.
That password is NSFW.

[FlyingFlapjack]

Several people have suggested clothing, shoes, handbags etc...

A perfect match exists. It's called etsy.com

They are a site for handmade and vintage stuff. Most of the merchants are some girl or guy working out of their residence.

I have no idea whether or not or how one could convince etsy.com to accept bitcoins, but if it meant increasing sales, I think most any of those merchants would go for it.

I think it works like ebay in that they pay some money to etsy per sale, so given etsy's terms, I'm not sure if they'd ever be able to do it through etsy itself or if they'd want to sneak around etsy and make a deal through some other channel.

It's not just clothes and purses and shoes. They have a nice selection of hand made glass uh tobacco pipes. And other cool stuff.

there really isn't a face-palm pic on the internet good enough for this thread.

This thread so embarass...

[Maria]

I am the Bitcoin Queen! Bitches...

Maria.

[MsBitcoin]

I am the Bitcoin Queen! Bitches...

Maria.

not so fast.....


You want to get women on board give them some Bitcoins to spend.  If your wife or gf can't find something to buy they will work on converting retailers to accept Bitcoin.  This will both expand the Bitcoin merchant base and stimulate the Bitcoin economy.

[payb.tc]

btc4shoes.com

haha this made me picture some guy selling his last pair of boots just to get his hands on some btc.

[CurbsideProphet]

As I write this, there are currently more "other" than female in the poll.

[Tasty Champa]

Several people have suggested clothing, shoes, handbags etc...

A perfect match exists. It's called etsy.com

They are a site for handmade and vintage stuff. Most of the merchants are some girl or guy working out of their residence.

I have no idea whether or not or how one could convince etsy.com to accept bitcoins, but if it meant increasing sales, I think most any of those merchants would go for it.

I think it works like ebay in that they pay some money to etsy per sale, so given etsy's terms, I'm not sure if they'd ever be able to do it through etsy itself or if they'd want to sneak around etsy and make a deal through some other channel.

It's not just clothes and purses and shoes. They have a nice selection of hand made glass uh tobacco pipes. And other cool stuff.

there really isn't a face-palm pic on the internet good enough for this thread.

This thread so embarass...

Etsy could be perfect for more smart women here, it's exactly what bitcoin needs, but it would only really work well for bitcoin if Etsy was bitcoin only.
However if someone could convince Etsy to become an exchange or even just allow sellers to accept bitcoin, that could be a big plus.

[geek-trader]

As a self-diagnosed sufferer of Asperger's syndrome who posts on forums about cryptocurrencies and has misogynistic tendencies due to my inability to view women as anything other than a two dimensional caricature based on modern media, I consider myself to be a professional on women.

Like the others in the thread, I believe all women are superficial and care only about shiny objects, clothing, other material goods, and things with matching colors.

I also agree that are too dumb and not selfish enough to grasp perfect idealogies like libertarianism, so here are my suggestions about how to get more women involved in Bitcoins:

Rename wallet.dat to purse.dat, maybe CoCoPurse.dat, women love purses!

Replace long Bitcoin addresses with short dictionary words, like "dog", or "house", or "sexinthecity". Women might be able to work with short words

I know what you are saying, but when I asked my wife that question "how to get more women to use bitcoin", the first thing out of her mouth was, "Sell stuff women want, shoes and purses!".  So there you have it.  Straight from the mouth of a (non-geek) woman.

[elements]

Just like I mentioned earlier:

make http://www.zalando.com accept Bitcoin exclusively

and the Bitcoin economy will get a boost 10 times the way it had in its best times so far.

(chicks all over Europe get crazy about that online shop - it's like Amazon for women!!!)

[Crystal Excursion]

I have shiny objects for bitcoin, Women usually like them...

[Tasty Champa]

OHhhhhhhhhhhhhhh wait a second. this could be BAD. I just realized something.
Women return things constantly.

Say Woman buys shoes for 10BTC, Woman returns shoes, Woman wants 10BTC back.
Meanwhile BTC went up, after hearing about Woman using BTC.

Woman, fights till death over it.

[Clipse]

Women in general(the girly girl type, hehe) will only see bitcoins as something thats practical once they can buy their favourite makeup,shoes,toiletries etc. with bitcoins and preferably at a little less than with cash.

ps. whats with selection sex as other , do we have real trolls in here?

[CurbsideProphet]

Men trying to figure out what women want.  This is going to end well.

[Clipse]

Men trying to figure out what women want.  This is going to end well.

Its not that hard(they want everything), and its the holy grail of what men want to know so absolutely worthwhile practicing

[BitcoinBabe]

They want shinies, they want fast transfers, they might won over by ideology, but probably not the ideology of libertarianism. They want to use the system that their favorite site uses, and they want to use the system their friends use. This by the way probably describes how mainstream males think too.

Way to stereotype, much! lol.

I'm a female who was actually drawn to bitcoin for the ideology of libertarianism. But yes, I also would like to see it used in my favorite sites, would like my friends to use it (though this wouldn't impede my own use of it if they didn't) and, yes, what I quoted from your initial post above pretty sums up over 90% of men as well.

To this end, while women will certainly play a role in getting bitcoin to go maistream, I think bitcoin needs more of an air of familiarity. Websites that have attractive, rather than just functional designs, would be a good start. More merchants selling more than just gadgets (though I do know a few female gadget fiends) - Bitcoin World Market will probably get a decent female following once bitcoin takes off as it sells beauty therapies, scented candles, gourmet and organic food items, chocolate... OK, now I'M stereotyping, cos I can easily live without chocolate. lol.

Incidently, BWM it will also probably get a really decent gay following. THAT's a fringe market that might be worth soliciting before the mainstream gets in on the act - particularly 30 something+, professional (whether in the arts, corporate or other business sectors), with no dependents.

Quite frankly, I think an air of exclusivity coupled with sophistication is what bitcoin needs. Bitcoin-only offers to special events, one-offs or limited editions that can only be purchased with btc... Basically, something that will make people have to buy bitcoins in order to take part in this special offer/event/promotion/exclusive service would be a good idea, something that makes them feel like trendsetters rather than geeks. This would be my idea, I guess, of the "shine" you mention women want.

[BitcoinBabe]

oh i forgot.  throw in a bunch of SHOE BUSINESSES!!!

+1

Not just any old shoes though... Expensive, luxury brand name shoes.

[geek-trader]

They want shinies, they want fast transfers, they might won over by ideology, but probably not the ideology of libertarianism. They want to use the system that their favorite site uses, and they want to use the system their friends use. This by the way probably describes how mainstream males think too.

Way to stereotype, much! lol.

I'm a female who was actually drawn to bitcoin for the ideology of libertarianism. But yes, I also would like to see it used in my favorite sites, would like my friends to use it (though this wouldn't impede my own use of it if they didn't) and, yes, what I quoted from your initial post above pretty sums up over 90% of men as well.

To this end, while women will certainly play a role in getting bitcoin to go maistream, I think bitcoin needs more of an air of familiarity. Websites that have attractive, rather than just functional designs, would be a good start. More merchants selling more than just gadgets (though I do know a few female gadget fiends) - Bitcoin World Market will probably get a decent female following once bitcoin takes off as it sells beauty therapies, scented candles, gourmet and organic food items, chocolate... OK, now I'M stereotyping, cos I can easily live without chocolate. lol.

Incidently, BWM it will also probably get a really decent gay following. THAT's a fringe market that might be worth soliciting before the mainstream gets in on the act - particularly 30 something+, professional (whether in the arts, corporate or other business sectors), with no dependents.

Quite frankly, I think an air of exclusivity coupled with sophistication is what bitcoin needs. Bitcoin-only offers to special events, one-offs or limited editions that can only be purchased with btc... Basically, something that will make people have to buy bitcoins in order to take part in this special offer/event/promotion/exclusive service would be a good idea, something that makes them feel like trendsetters rather than geeks. This would be my idea, I guess, of the "shine" you mention women want.

Quoted for truth!

[elements]

Please read this post!

Its about www.bit-pay.com which is the easiest way to accept bitcoins as a merchant ever!

This could very well be the solution for businesses already specialized in female desires

=> http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=32467.msg405450#msg405450

[BitcoinBabe]

Just like I mentioned earlier:

make http://www.zalando.com accept Bitcoin exclusively

and the Bitcoin economy will get a boost 10 times the way it had in its best times so far.

(chicks all over Europe get crazy about that online shop - it's like Amazon for women!!!)

Good idea, but I can't see why an already successful company would want to accept bitcoin exclusively right now. However, if they accepted bitcoin for exclusive, limited offers...

[elements]

If many customers and potential customers would ask for bitcoin acceptance they might do it (probably not exclusively but additionally...)

So, girls and women of this world write an email and ask Zalando to accept bitcoins!

[Xephan]

I'm going to say we shouldn't get the women onboard for now.

First impression makes a big difference and if the first few women decides the experience's awful, you can be sure the power of the Women's p2p network will pretty much give Bitcoin a stinking reputation that would take years to overcome.

Before bitcoin even thinks about reaching out beyond the geek/tech/speculator crowd, who are by nature more understanding of risks and failings involved with new evolving new tech, bitcoin has to have a proper and user friendly infrastructure in place.

Not only the UI of the bitcoin client and addresses but also methods to convert existing cash to bitcoin easily. If Paypal wasn't such a bitch, it would had been so much easier. But right now, there isn't a good way to pay directly without having to jump through the hoops of paying somebody else cash in exchange for BTC, then using BTC to buy.
.

[elements]

I'm going to say we shouldn't get the women onboard for now.

First impression makes a big difference and if the first few women decides the experience's awful, you can be sure the power of the Women's p2p network will pretty much give Bitcoin a stinking reputation that would take years to overcome.

Before bitcoin even thinks about reaching out beyond the geek/tech/speculator crowd, who are by nature more understanding of risks and failings involved with new evolving new tech, bitcoin has to have a proper and user friendly infrastructure in place.

Not only the UI of the bitcoin client and addresses but also methods to convert existing cash to bitcoin easily. If Paypal wasn't such a bitch, it would had been so much easier. But right now, there isn't a good way to pay directly without having to jump through the hoops of paying somebody else cash in exchange for BTC, then using BTC to buy.
.

check out www.bit-pay.com (it's awesome - and it is like paypal with bitcoins)
super easy - even for non tech girls.

[Xephan]

check out www.bit-pay.com (it's awesome - and it is like paypal with bitcoins)
super easy - even for non tech girls.

I saw it after posting, because your original post had it backwards as pay-bit.com
On the merchant side it looks like how paypal works but how does it look like on the user side?

No charge backs? Only for the US market?

Seems like maybe the user has to deposit cash/cheque with them before being able to make a purchase. Still one step too many if that's the way, but definitely it sounds like a massive improvement over what's currently available

[elements]

thanks - I changed it in the op.

no! no need to deposit anything that's the beauty of it.

you simply can implement it on the merchant checkout and it will give the customer the total in BTC and the address where to send it to with an graphic step by step guide.

As a customer you only need to be able to handle your client or online wallet - everything else will be shown to you step by step!

[Xephan]

thanks - I changed it in the op.

no! no need to deposit anything that's the beauty of it.

you simply can implement it on the merchant checkout and it will give the customer the total in BTC and the address where to send it to with an graphic step by step guide.

As a customer you only need to be able to handle your client or online wallet - everything else will be shown to you step by step!

You see, where's the customer going to get her wallet full of bitcoin? You want to teach the average person (nevermind woman) how to put together a $1K rig and mine for 1 month to buy that US$30 item?

Or ask them to go through the whole mess of buying from an exchange?

That's what I mean by an extra step. We're missing that easy step from cash already in the bank to bitcoin payment for the average person. Like I said, Paypal could had been a good partner and make it easy for the average person to buy bitcoin. But since they see bitcoin as a threat and has unacceptable chargeback policies for the nature of bitcoin...

[elements]

How about this:

boy meets girl. boy buys bitcoins for girl and puts it into a online wallet for her (mybitcoin / walletbit, etc.). girl buys shoes online.

[Xephan]

How about this:
boy meets girl. boy buys bitcoins for girl and puts it into a online wallet for her (mybitcoin / walletbit, etc.). girl buys shoes online.

Good for you bro, unfortunately I think most of us are not so rich that we can sponsor a girl for all her online purchases just to kickstart bitcoin.

Plus boy meets girl is another step, boy buys bitcoins is another step. One way or another, you've got somebody buying bitcoin somehow.

While the topic is about women, for all practical purposes the average non-technie non-libertian guy on the street will have similar behavioural reactions to the hoops that needs to be jumped.

Heck, we even have techie users complaining HERE about the trouble it takes to get cash into dwolla (before the scandal broke) and into tradehill just to buy some coins.

We need to solve that fundamental process issue and I'm afraid it might not be resolvable until a corp with large enough funding takes an interest. For that to happen, I feel the underlying infrastructure e.g. like the bitcoin client, must be more polished and bitcoin less volatile. The current US$13~14 is a good level if it is maintained.

[geek-trader]

How about this:

boy meets girl. boy buys bitcoins for girl and puts it into a online wallet for her (mybitcoin / walletbit, etc.). girl buys shoes online.

This of course, is the way it always works.

 

I KID!  Tho I do make more $ than my wife now (therefore "buying her bitcoins" on a daily basis) that was not always the case.  We've been together almost 20 years, and the first 8 or so she made more than me.

[elements]

I think it is not to much to ask to know how a bank wire works.

Most exchanges accept bank wire (at least Mt. Gox and TradeHill).

And for the sponsoring of girls: I didn't mean the boy has to give them as gift.
He could simply say: give me 50 bucks and I'll exchange them for you into bitcoin.

This isn't really that hard.

(BTW In most / a lot of relationships this is the case anyway...the guy does the setup of new technical stuff and shows the girl how to handle what she needs (unless she is smart enough to do all by herself))

[geek-trader]

I think it is not much to ask to know how a bank wire works.

Most exchanges accept bank wire (at least Mt. Gox and TradeHill).

And for the sponsoring of girls: I didn't mean the boy has to give them as gift.
He could simply say: give me 50 bucks and I'll exchange them for you into bitcoin.

This isn't really that hard.

(BTW In most / a lot of relationships this is the case anyway...the guy does the setup of new technical stuff and shows the girl how to handle what she needs (unless she is smart enough to do all by herself))

It's not a "smartness" thing, it's a motivational thing.  Guys just LIKE to set up technical stuff.

[Xephan]

I think it is not much to ask to know how a bank wire works.

Most exchanges accept bank wire (at least Mt. Gox and TradeHill).

And for the sponsoring of girls: I didn't mean the boy has to give them as gift.
He could simply say: give me 50 bucks and I'll exchange them for you into bitcoin.

This isn't really that hard.

(BTW In most / a lot of relationships this is the case anyway...the guy does the setup of new technical stuff and shows the girl how to handle what she needs (unless she is smart enough to do all by herself))

This is what I'm going to expect to happen, yes it's very stereotypical but there's a reason why stereotypes exist

Guy: Look at this awesome new payment method using  Bitcoin...
Girl: What?
Guy: <monologue about Bitcoin>
Girl: <glassy eye after 30 seconds>
Guy: <Finally noticing it, 5 minutes slow as usual> Nevermind the details, point is you can buy these pretty shoes online!
Girl: OH, why didn't you say THAT in the beginning? That looks pretty, how do I buy that?
Guy: Simple, it's like using Paypal... erm you just need to create an eWallet first... let's just download this...
Girl : <Twiddle hair>
Guy: Yeah, that's done
Girl: So I just click buy using Bitcoin?
Guy: Erm no, we need to get you some coins first...
Girl: <roll eyes>
Guy: Let me see, that's more than I have in my ewallet. I'll go wire some money to MtGox, then we can buy your shoes next Wednesday!
Girl: Forget it, XYZ has a sale of the hour discount on something similar, I'm just going to use my credit card.... <30 seconds later> done. This bitcoin shit sucks, I'm so telling the girls not to waste time listening if their guys get started on it.
Guy: ...

<6 months later, with vastly improved Bitcoin infrastructure>
At some party
Guy B: Did you girls know about the latest awesome bitcoin fashion shop?
Girl: Oh no, Bitcoin sucks, it's complicated and take forever!
Guy: That was 6 months ago, they've improved...
Girl B: <ignores Guy> Really? It's that bad?
Girl : Oh yeah, it was such a mess! I had to do a bank transfer to buy anything! By the time I could buy something, Fedex would had shoes from XYZ at my doorstep
Girl C: Oh my, that's so bad!..
Girl A: tell me about it, such as waste of my time!
Girl D: Bank transfer? Where did they come from? 1990s? Didn't they know about credit cards?
Girl A: Apparently not! <girls laugh>
Guys: ....

[elements]

about motivation: read above

you need to offer things exclusively or at a significant discount for btc to get motivation.

otherwise no girls (ok, not many) for bitcoin in the foreseeable future.

[Xephan]

about motivation: read above

you need to offer things exclusively or at a significant discount for btc to get motivation.

otherwise no girls (ok, not many) for bitcoin in the foreseeable future.

merchants need to make a living as well. We cannot expect them to help promote bitcoin and take a loss just to overcome inherent infrastructure difficulties.

The bitcoin economy as it is, has to focus on the tech savvy market first. People who don't mind a bit of trouble to try things out. If they are bitching about problems, you can be sure the average joe is going to take it even worse. After ironing these issues out, the economy/ecology around bitcoin should had reached a critical mass to make it attractive for bigger corps to take an interest, who could invest in the necessary convenience features. Once that step is reached, the bitcoin usage avalanche should just about start.

[elements]

lol nice story

i imagine it more like this:


boy shows girl a site with shoes/shiny objects (on 20 percent discount for btc or exclusively for btc).

girl: i want those shoes.

boy: ok, just polish your nails and I will get the discount for you.

girl: oh, you would do that, sweetie

boy: sure hon

girl gets in the next room to polish her nails. boy transfers creates a new mybitcoin account for his girlfriend and transfers 15 BTC (100 usd) to it. when she is done she comes back to the computer.

girl: so?

boy: so I set it up for you. Here is you new bitcoin account. If you wanna buy these shoes you just have to login to this site (like when you do online banking), click here and here and send the amount to this address. got it?

girl: oh, that's easy. thank you.

girl buys shoes for 20% less (and might forget to pay boy back) and is introduced to the bitcoin world.


the end

[Xephan]

lol nice story

i imagine it more like this:


boy shows girl a site with shoes/shiny objects (on 20 percent discount for btc or exclusively for btc).

girl: i want those shoes.

boy: ok, just polish your nails and I will get the discount for you.

girl: oh, you would do that, sweetie

boy: sure hon

girl gets in the next room to polish her nails. boy transfers creates a new mybitcoin account for his girlfriend and transfers 15 BTC (100 usd) to it. when she is done she comes back to the computer.

girl: so?

boy: so I set it up for you. Here is you new bitcoin account. If you wanna buy these shoes you just have to login to this site (like when you do online banking), click here and here and send the amount to this address. got it?

girl: oh, that's easy. thank you.

girl buys shoes for 20% less (and might forget to pay boy back) and is introduced to the bitcoin world.


the end

girl: The bitcoin thing you setup for me the other day doesn't work anymore, it says I don't have enough money!

Warren Buffet / Bill Gates : No worries, I'll transfer more into your account anytime you need to buy more stuff, give it about 10 minutes.

Average Guy: erm, you have to put money into your eWallet

Girl: How do I do that?

Guy: ...  <resume previous scenario starting from wire transfer to MtGox>

[Meatpile]

Women will hop on board when bitcoins can be held on a 2x2mm chip and embedded into anything. Then we can start putting them in fancy purses and high heels.

Then we will get to the really sexy part: when women get to kick you in the groin to finish a high-heel to jock-strap bitcoin embedded transaction! yeehaw!

[Mousepotato]

Yeah, screw all that shoes/purse noise.  Just give me the ability to spend my Bitcoins at NewEgg or TigerDirect and I'm good.

[elggawf]

Here's an idea: maybe stop acting as though women are some completely alien thing, and then all but the bravest won't run screaming?

[Johnny Pizza]

Johnny knows what the ladies like Treat them right and the bitcoins will flow freely

[Xephan]

Johnny knows what the ladies like Treat them right and the bitcoins will flow freely

Hmm does that mean my idea of a secured intra-uterine bitcoin wallet for women and a corresponding 8 inch secure roll-on transaction key which communicate using low frequency physical waves wouldn't work?

[BitcoinBabe]

Here's an idea: maybe stop acting as though women are some completely alien thing, and then all but the bravest won't run screaming?

+1

Alas, this is how most insecure people deal with "otherness."

[Tasty Champa]

forum.bitcoin,
sometimes i seriously question your dedication to sparkle motion!

[Mousepotato]

I'm going to say we shouldn't get the women onboard for now.

First impression makes a big difference and if the first few women decides the experience's awful, you can be sure the power of the Women's p2p network will pretty much give Bitcoin a stinking reputation that would take years to overcome.

There's nothing wrong with Bitcoin right now.  However, we lack the infrastructure to make online BTC transactions as seemless and user-friendly as using Paypal, let alone buying things at B&M shops.  I think one big piece of the puzzle we're missing is a Paypal-like entity to serve as a kind of escrow-slash-exchange which will encourage people to actually use their Bitcoins to buy things without fear of getting scammed. Add to that a secure, easy to use mobile app for POS transactions and we're almost "there".  That's it... so simple, but yet as with many other things in life, simple doesn't necessarily mean easy.

Whether you're a guy or a girl at this point in the game is largely irrelevant IMHO.

[jgraham]

but there's a reason why stereotypes exist

I thought that reason was ignorance?

[LastBattle]

Yeah, we need someone to make a new site for money storage, bitcoin buying, etc like paypal (though PP rips people off and is being boycotted, hence why we need a new one).

I distrust regular banks and would prefer to be able to buy bitcoins with physical cash, but failing that it would be good to have a safe website to transfer money to for bitcoin purchases.

Also, attracting women shouldn't be too hard. A bitcoins-for-kitchen-appliances store should suffice.

[AngelusWebDesign]

but there's a reason why stereotypes exist

I thought that reason was ignorance?

Oh, come on.

Tell us why few women are here. If women are equal to men in every way, then WHY aren't they represented equally on this forum?

Is the big bad European white male keeping them off forum.bitcoin.org?  I doubt it.

Obviously there are gender differences that go beyond "plumbing". To deny that is to deny reality.

He's right -- stereotypes exist because they're true 90% of the time. Plain and simple.

If I started stereotyping Americans as people that like to drive their cars into trees, the stereotype would die pretty quickly because A) it's stupid B) it has no basis in reality.
So it wouldn't catch on.

[jgraham]

but there's a reason why stereotypes exist

I thought that reason was ignorance?

Tell us why few women are here.

I did.

If women are equal to men in every way, then WHY aren't they represented equally on this forum?

I'm not sure what "equal to men in every way" means. 

He's right -- stereotypes exist because they're true 90% of the time. Plain and simple.

Including most racial stereotypes?
Seriously how do you determine 90%?  What sample did you use?  Was it well randomized?  What is the size of the population?
Congratulations, this is one of the reasons I think stereotypes exist.  People's brains want to see patterns and they suck at statistics.

If I started stereotyping Americans as people that like to drive their cars into trees, the stereotype would die pretty quickly because A) it's stupid B) it has no basis in reality.
So it wouldn't catch on.

So in your mind, because one potentially false stereotype fails, most stereotypes can't be false?  Outside the US there are plenty of stereotypes about Americans - are all those true?

[AngelusWebDesign]

So in your mind, because one potentially false stereotype fails, most stereotypes can't be false?  Outside the US there are plenty of stereotypes about Americans - are all those true?

If they hold any water, yes.

Too many people today are brainwashed by "political correctness".

Think about it RATIONALLY -- why do stereotypes refuse to die? The one about women liking to shop? The one about software engineers being male? The one about "boy bands" having vapid lyrics? The one about sports fans not being deep-thinking philosophers? The one about Americans being smug, not learning other languages, and being materialistic and taking on too much debt? I could list dozens of them.
If they had no basis in reality, they would die quickly. But they have quite a basis in reality.

They're a shortcut to complete analysis, yes. But a shortcut that works MOST of the time, with few exceptions.

We make all kinds of assumptions all day, every day. You don't always have the time for a fair, objective, in-depth analysis of everything.

I'm sorry, but if were a hiring manager, and there were three people applying for a software engineering job, named Amanda Jones, Deshawn White, and Wolfgang Wattenburg, and I didn't have access to any information than their names, I'd probably do the "un-PC" thing and choose the German-sounding guy. True, he might be the one exception to the stereotype, and the female might be particularly good at programming -- but it's usually smart to go with the odds.

And remember -- the exception proves the rule. Just because you can show me a single female computer programmer will not cause me to throw my hands in the air and say, "You're right, there's no pattern. Programmers are male and female." No, you merely showed me an exception, which is remarkable because it's an exception to the rule.

[Mousepotato]

Me rockin a shirt I helped design.  I'm an avid Bitcoin miner, hardware enthusiast, and mediocre as hell Starcraft2 player and even worse MW2 player.  And yeah I love shopping

[cypherdoc]

I am the Bitcoin Queen! Bitches...

Maria.

and i thought you were sweet.

[Bitcoin Swami]

They want shinies, they want fast transfers, they might won over by ideology, but probably not the ideology of libertarianism. They want to use the system that their favorite site uses, and they want to use the system their friends use. This by the way probably describes how mainstream males think too.

Way to stereotype, much! lol.

I'm a female who was actually drawn to bitcoin for the ideology of libertarianism. But yes, I also would like to see it used in my favorite sites, would like my friends to use it (though this wouldn't impede my own use of it if they didn't) and, yes, what I quoted from your initial post above pretty sums up over 90% of men as well.

To this end, while women will certainly play a role in getting bitcoin to go maistream, I think bitcoin needs more of an air of familiarity. Websites that have attractive, rather than just functional designs, would be a good start. More merchants selling more than just gadgets (though I do know a few female gadget fiends) - Bitcoin World Market will probably get a decent female following once bitcoin takes off as it sells beauty therapies, scented candles, gourmet and organic food items, chocolate... OK, now I'M stereotyping, cos I can easily live without chocolate. lol.

Incidently, BWM it will also probably get a really decent gay following. THAT's a fringe market that might be worth soliciting before the mainstream gets in on the act - particularly 30 something+, professional (whether in the arts, corporate or other business sectors), with no dependents.

Quite frankly, I think an air of exclusivity coupled with sophistication is what bitcoin needs. Bitcoin-only offers to special events, one-offs or limited editions that can only be purchased with btc... Basically, something that will make people have to buy bitcoins in order to take part in this special offer/event/promotion/exclusive service would be a good idea, something that makes them feel like trendsetters rather than geeks. This would be my idea, I guess, of the "shine" you mention women want.

There is an adult site that sells some "gadgets" that women might like for bitcoins.  Thats a start maybe. lol

[Yuusha]

Think about it RATIONALLY -- why do stereotypes refuse to die? The one about women liking to shop? The one about software engineers being male?

Because they are repeated so often that people feel obligated to fit into the stereotype. People adjust to the stereotypes because they don't want to be "weird".

[Jack of Diamonds]

If they hold any water, yes.

Too many people today are brainwashed by "political correctness".

Stereotypes can be profited from due to some reasons you listed (grain of truth, etc)

If women want to buy shoes, purses, jewelry, makeup etc... Then let them. I'm not arguing women aren't different from men; They are like day and night when it comes to purchase patterns.
Men don't give a shit about purses and makeup, and women don't give a shit about electrical stuff or hardware.

Sell female-oriented products with easily obtainable bitcoins and you're in for a massive market.

From a business persp., nobody should care  'why' they opt for those products as long as they have money to pay for it.
I for one don't care whether the revenue comes from someone with a dick or someone without. I don't care about the evolutionary psychology behind it.

The only relevant thing is they have enough money to pay for something marketable with bitcoins, which makes women an untapped market worth a lot of money.
If bitcoins were easier to obtain than Paypal funds or credit card payments, ordinary women would use BTC every day.

[cypherdoc]

thanks - I changed it in the op.

no! no need to deposit anything that's the beauty of it.

you simply can implement it on the merchant checkout and it will give the customer the total in BTC and the address where to send it to with an graphic step by step guide.

As a customer you only need to be able to handle your client or online wallet - everything else will be shown to you step by step!

You see, where's the customer going to get her wallet full of bitcoin? You want to teach the average person (nevermind woman) how to put together a $1K rig and mine for 1 month to buy that US$30 item?

Or ask them to go through the whole mess of buying from an exchange?

That's what I mean by an extra step. We're missing that easy step from cash already in the bank to bitcoin payment for the average person. Like I said, Paypal could had been a good partner and make it easy for the average person to buy bitcoin. But since they see bitcoin as a threat and has unacceptable chargeback policies for the nature of bitcoin...

we're close:  http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=31181.0

[Bitcoin Harbor]

As a woman and an avid bitcoin user, I do take exception to the casual assumption that Libertarian ideology or the obvious advantages of bitcoins for internet purchases do no appeal to women.  

Of course part of the problem is that bitcoin adherents at the moment are almost exclusively part of the tech industry in some way and that industry is (for whatever reason) largely dominated by men, so of course men hear about bitcoins and are involved first.  That does not by any means suggest that women interested in tech or even libertarian women cannot and do not find something of value in the currency (witness the ladies who have commented on this thread).    

One thing that would help with mainstream appeal, which is what OP appears to actually be addressing, rather than women specifically, would be a larger range of items that people can actual buy with Bitcoins.  Even at Bitcoin Harbor, we find that the most common items for sale are tech products, though we have been reaching out to a variety of merchants in the community.    

Also I feel that the explanations of bitcoins out in the internet tend to be too tech heavy.  The average consumer doesn't care about mining, cryptography or even avoiding government scrutiny.  They want to know how to get bitcoins, how to spend them and how not to get them stolen.  Until newbies to bitcoins can find that information in a non-threatening and easy to understand way, it's always going to be difficult to sell.  

Christine

[payb.tc]

Whether you're a guy or a girl at this point in the game is largely irrelevant IMHO.

some guys being more largely irrelevant than others

[Mousepotato]

If women want to buy shoes, purses, jewelry, makeup etc... Then let them. I'm not arguing women aren't different from men; They are like day and night when it comes to purchase patterns.
Men don't give a shit about purses and makeup, and women don't give a shit about electrical stuff or hardware.

I find myself unfortunate to love ALL that stuff.  I got as excited at the $189 5870 at NewEgg as I did when I found out that Dillard's started carrying MAC cosmetics (Lip Glass ftw!!) lol that just means that I'm always going to be one broke mouse.

[payb.tc]

Me rockin a shirt I helped design.

no link in your sig... what store is it from? you look hot by the way.

also... i must be *really* out of touch with women's fashion these days... never heard of this:

Lip Glass ftw!!

[Mousepotato]

hah, awesome shirt! nice job with that, mousepotato.

Thanks!  I can't take full credit though.  I just made the base PSD and Gabriel Beal did the rest.

[Mousepotato]

no link in your sig... what store is it from? you look hot by the way.

also... i must be *really* out of touch with women's fashion these days... never heard of this:

Thanks!  The shirts are available at http://www.SquareWear.biz.  Lip Glass is this lip gloss that goes on super thick and fills in all the little lines and cracks in your lips so that it looks like they're coated with lacquer.  Think Britney Spears' lips at the beginning of uh.. damn what was that one video where she's dressed up as a school girl??  I never was a big Britney fan, oh well.  Anyway, yeah it gives your lips a really glossy wet look.  Only thing is, your hair will stick to it like crazy, which is about the only drawback.  That and the $15 per tube cost.

[BitcoinBabe]

As a woman and an avid bitcoin user, I do take exception to the casual assumption that Libertarian ideology or the obvious advantages of bitcoins for internet purchases do no appeal to women.  

Of course part of the problem is that bitcoin adherents at the moment are almost exclusively part of the tech industry in some way and that industry is (for whatever reason) largely dominated by men, so of course men hear about bitcoins and are involved first.  That does not by any means suggest that women interested in tech or even libertarian women cannot and do not find something of value in the currency (witness the ladies who have commented on this thread).    

One thing that would help with mainstream appeal, which is what OP appears to actually be addressing, rather than women specifically, would be a larger range of items that people can actual buy with Bitcoins.  Even at Bitcoin Harbor, we find that the most common items for sale are tech products, though we have been reaching out to a variety of merchants in the community.    

Also I feel that the explanations of bitcoins out in the internet tend to be too tech heavy.  The average consumer doesn't care about mining, cryptography or even avoiding government scrutiny.  They want to know how to get bitcoins, how to spend them and how not to get them stolen.  Until newbies to bitcoins can find that information in a non-threatening and easy to understand way, it's always going to be difficult to sell.  

Christine

+1

[kloinko1n]

Suggestion: Let every miner/minester (not to generalise into male/female stereotypes) say to his/her spouse/partner/fiancee:
"Hey, listen up! I opened a bitcoin account for you (i.e. address) and I will put half of what I earn with mining on it. It's free for you to use in any online bitcoin shop!"

[elements]

I would so love that if my girlfriend started mining (in her apartment)!

[done]

Tough to believe over 6 percent women in the poll.

There are no name brand clothing, handbag or shoe companies accepting bitcoin. 

[Tasty Champa]

12?
really now...

tits or get the **** hahahah
j/k

I love all women.

[ErgoOne]

As one of the women , I'd suggest building the bitcoin marketplace so that there's something to spend these shiny new bitcoins on.  I've now got some bitcoins, and am looking around.  There are a few places to spend bitcoins, but the marketplace is still primitive.  When it isn't primitive any more, *then* you'll get a few orders of magnitude more people (men and women) participating.

[dub0matic]

Atleast the ladies that are reppin us are smoking hawt

[bitplane]

Guys dig technology more than girls. Once Bitcoin is more about currency and less about technology then we'll see more women using it.

[Kermee]

Maybe I should start a BTC to Sephora Gift Card service...

Cheers,
Kermee

[cypherdoc]

Guys dig technology more than girls. Once Bitcoin is more about currency and less about technology then we'll see more women using it.

speak for yourself.

[Jack of Diamonds]

If women want to buy shoes, purses, jewelry, makeup etc... Then let them. I'm not arguing women aren't different from men; They are like day and night when it comes to purchase patterns.
Men don't give a shit about purses and makeup, and women don't give a shit about electrical stuff or hardware.

I find myself unfortunate to love ALL that stuff.  I got as excited at the $189 5870 at NewEgg as I did when I found out that Dillard's started carrying MAC cosmetics (Lip Glass ftw!!) lol that just means that I'm always going to be one broke mouse.

Sure, but you don't represent the average female online consumer, who will likely guess Nvidia is some type of eyeliner.
Of all the products I've sold on forums and sites like alibaba/ebay, women would only order or locally pick up things like open box Prada shoes at a discount. I've sold computer stuff to a female customer maybe once or twice, and those were basic ethernet cables to an old lady.
 
It would be a big waste of cash to market GPUs or anything related to mining to that demographic

If only online retailers like Zalando that cater to mid-high range female clothing and shoes would accept BTC as a payment method, the popularity among bitcoin would skyrocket, largely due to word of mouth and positive image due to assurement from a big seller.

You never know about fashion designers either, their personalities are one in a million, some like Ralph Lauren might be quirky enough to consider payments in bitcoin after reading the concept.

[ErgoOne]

Guys dig technology more than girls. Once Bitcoin is more about currency and less about technology then we'll see more women using it.

speak for yourself.

What cypherdoc said.  In spades.  Female geek here, and I work with a bunch of others.

I love technology, especially the technology that carries with it new ideas about how to do basic societal functions, like Bitcoin does.  Where I think that I differ from many of the people I know who also love technology is that I'm intensely aware of the risks as well as the benefits.  In my case, that leads to minimizing the risks and then, if I can afford the remaining risks, jumping in and trying it.  Others who aren't confident that they know network security may take a pass entirely because they aren't sure that they can protect themselves from the crooks out there.  There may be a statistical divide between men and women when it comes to risk taking, but I don't think that these differences in approach are "male" and "female", but "unorganized risk taker" and "organized risk taker".

The whole mess with Mt. Gox, and now Dwolla and Tradehill, are cautionary tales for me.  They're outright frightening to a lot of people who don't know how computer networks and financial networks work, and so are less able to determine exactly what they are risking when they use Bitcoin and how to minimize those risks.

[cypherdoc]

Guys dig technology more than girls. Once Bitcoin is more about currency and less about technology then we'll see more women using it.

speak for yourself.

What cypherdoc said.  In spades.  Female geek here, and I work with a bunch of others.

I love technology, especially the technology that carries with it new ideas about how to do basic societal functions, like Bitcoin does.  Where I think that I differ from many of the people I know who also love technology is that I'm intensely aware of the risks as well as the benefits.  In my case, that leads to minimizing the risks and then, if I can afford the remaining risks, jumping in and trying it.  Others who aren't confident that they know network security may take a pass entirely because they aren't sure that they can protect themselves from the crooks out there.  There may be a statistical divide between men and women when it comes to risk taking, but I don't think that these differences in approach are "male" and "female", but "unorganized risk taker" and "organized risk taker".

The whole mess with Mt. Gox, and now Dwolla and Tradehill, are cautionary tales for me.  They're outright frightening to a lot of people who don't know how computer networks and financial networks work, and so are less able to determine exactly what they are risking when they use Bitcoin and how to minimize those risks.

this is a very important point.  with all the bad news hammering the price down since the mtgox fiasco, the fact that the price has stabilized in a tight range to me is a very good sign and perhaps a buying opportunity.  all these bad news events has undoubtedly scared alot of the non risk takers away but for those of us who can see thru the fog i think these issues will be secured and solved for the long term.  then we can resume the price rise.

[ErgoOne]

Resume price rise, or at least have a reasonably stable, narrow price range.  That isn't as good for currency traders (the initial bitcoin moneymaking crowd), but is *MUCH* better for merchants and those who want to do business in Bitcoin space.  I'm one of the second; I'm looking for ways to do business online that minimize both risk and costs to me and to my potential customers.  My husband and I are looking to open an online publishing and gaming portal with shared storytelling and the like sometime in 2012.  I'm here, looking into Bitcoin, as part of my research into how to handle payment and money for the site. 

Frankly, given both the risks and the expense associated with traditional payment means (credit cards and PayPal especially), I'm amazed that more online merchants aren't implementing alternatives, and then offering discounts to users who take those alternatives. :/ 

[cypherdoc]

it will happen.  i'm sure you've heard of Bit-Pay.  and you're right, this stability will be good for merchants and as more climb on board and the economy starts to rev up an added plus will be a rise in the btc price.

edit:  i actually ordered my front desk to refuse all large paid services i provide via credit card.  check or cash only.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

2 minutes and the GIMP!  Problem solved!

WOW! I bet it took a lot of time to Photoshop that guy around the Bitcoin logo.

How to get women to use Bitcoin? Remember where Facebook got started? I'm willing to bet there's a critical mass of college girls that would love to use a currency system so that their parents won't know how or where the money was spent. Exactly what the girls would purchase is currently up for debate, but I say that secrecy is a given.

Perhaps, heaven forbid, more women would watch porn if they had a Bidpay account. On that note, let me ask this: Why is it that almost every good thread on this forum has at least one poster mentioning porn? I also bet that every seasoned poster on this forum has used the term at least once. If not, then they're like 16 year old boys who say they don't do it, but do (BTW, I'm not taking about porn now, but the big M).

Bitcoin: Used by College Girls Worldwide

[NF6X]

Me rockin a shirt I helped design.  I'm an avid Bitcoin miner, hardware enthusiast, and mediocre as hell Starcraft2 player and even worse MW2 player.  And yeah I love shopping

I'm jealous! I just have a pair of 6970s. 

[Xephan]

I'm going to say we shouldn't get the women onboard for now.

First impression makes a big difference and if the first few women decides the experience's awful, you can be sure the power of the Women's p2p network will pretty much give Bitcoin a stinking reputation that would take years to overcome.

There's nothing wrong with Bitcoin right now.  However, we lack the infrastructure to make online BTC transactions as seemless and user-friendly as using Paypal, let alone buying things at B&M shops.  I think one big piece of the puzzle we're missing is a Paypal-like entity to serve as a kind of escrow-slash-exchange which will encourage people to actually use their Bitcoins to buy things without fear of getting scammed. Add to that a secure, easy to use mobile app for POS transactions and we're almost "there".  That's it... so simple, but yet as with many other things in life, simple doesn't necessarily mean easy.

Which is primarily my point, the big piece missing is a Paypal like service for bitcoin, without which, transacting via bitcoin is going to be PITA for the average person.

Whether you're a guy or a girl at this point in the game is largely irrelevant IMHO.

In an ideal world... maybe. But we live in the real world. Be it sociological or biological, men and women tend to behave in distinctive and different manners when it comes to certain things. A bunch of geeks guys (and some gals) are going to be more forgiving about a new technology not being terribly user-friendly, than the kind of women we're going to get when aggressively marketing to that market.

For those, the experience is the key and right now as it is, the bitcoin shopping experience is less than underwhelming.

[asdf]

Me rockin a shirt I helped design.  I'm an avid Bitcoin miner, hardware enthusiast, and mediocre as hell Starcraft2 player and even worse MW2 player.  And yeah I love shopping

Wow! You're that hot and a total computer geek!

[bitrebel]

The OP is out of the loop on this one.
Women are not logical minded like men. Therefore, Women do not care whether bitcoin or not exists. Women only care that men have what it takes to buy them the qualities of life they enjoy. If not, that they can get it for themselves. Men are the only ones who care about money, because we need it to buy material items and security for women. Duh!

Mind you all, I'm making a very general statement here. I love women who think for themselves. I know there are a few out there. I am with one. Praise you all.

[Yuusha]

Wow! You're that hot and a total computer geek!

Actually not as uncommon as one might think. I know several very, very attractive female computer geeks, of which one is my girlfriend.

[NothinG]

Wow! You're that hot and a total computer geek!

Actually not as uncommon as one might think. I know several very, very attractive female computer geeks, of which one is my girlfriend.

Mind pointing out a few more?

[Yuusha]

Wow! You're that hot and a total computer geek!

Actually not as uncommon as one might think. I know several very, very attractive female computer geeks, of which one is my girlfriend.

Mind pointing out a few more?

Haha, if you live in Sweden, maybe I can hook you up

[NothinG]

Wow! You're that hot and a total computer geek!

Actually not as uncommon as one might think. I know several very, very attractive female computer geeks, of which one is my girlfriend.

Mind pointing out a few more?

Haha, if you live in Sweden, maybe I can hook you up

Know anyone selling Airline Tickets?

[dikidera]

I wonder when the first bitcoin online sex shop's gonna open? I mean, girls would love that. Buying a toy anonymously.

[BitMofo]

Wow! You're that hot and a total computer geek!

Actually not as uncommon as one might think. I know several very, very attractive female computer geeks, of which one is my girlfriend.

Not impossible but still extremely uncommon in proportion to most female computer geeks!

[Yuusha]

I wonder when the first bitcoin online sex shop's gonna open? I mean, girls would love that. Buying a toy anonymously.

I've heard one already exists.

Not impossible but still extremely uncommon in proportion to most female computer geeks!

Really, all the female computer geeks I know are very attractive. But maybe that's a thing that only applies here in Sweden.

[wareen]

I wonder when the first bitcoin online sex shop's gonna open? I mean, girls would love that. Buying a toy anonymously.

You mean something like http://www.bitcoinsextoys.com
Seems to have been around since December last year - amazing!

[dub0matic]

I wonder when the first bitcoin online sex shop's gonna open? I mean, girls would love that. Buying a toy anonymously.

You mean something like http://www.bitcoinsextoys.com
Seems to have been around since December last year - amazing!

Lol there was a vib on newegg in the deals section yesturday it was mad lulz

[Mousepotato]

Me rockin a shirt I helped design.  I'm an avid Bitcoin miner, hardware enthusiast, and mediocre as hell Starcraft2 player and even worse MW2 player.  And yeah I love shopping

I'm jealous! I just have a pair of 6970s. 

I would LOVE to have some 6970s but they're wayyy out of my budg right now.  I had to settle for some 5870s and a 5850 I found off Craigslist. 

[Mousepotato]

Wow! You're that hot and a total computer geek!

lol thanks! I can't help it though.  Once I started playing WoW it was a downward spiral into the abyss of nerdville

[jgraham]

So in your mind, because one potentially false stereotype fails, most stereotypes can't be false?  Outside the US there are plenty of stereotypes about Americans - are all those true?

If they hold any water, yes.

Too many people today are brainwashed by "political correctness".

Think about it RATIONALLY -- why do stereotypes refuse to die?

People make wrong assumptions based on stupidly small and biased samples.  You are a good example of this.  You don't know all stereotypes, in fact it's likely you only know a small fraction of stereotypes and that fraction is biased by geography and self-selection and generally poor education in statistics and/or logic (i.e. not understanding that even if most avid shoe shoppers are women does not imply that most women are avid shoe shoppers).  From this you have generalized that this says something about all stereotypes.  Not only that but I'd wager you probably don't know many of the true values (i.e. How many Americans really are X). 

So how do we cure someone of this?  That's actually a complicated question.  You seem to imply that as soon as a significant portion of the population exemplifies something contrary to the stereotype then people don't believe that.  For which there is plenty of evidence against.

For example racial intellectual stereotypes persisted even in the light of data to the contrary.  In some cases due to actual fudging of figures but in other cases it really does appear that these people sub-consciously misinterpreted results.  We have records of various experiments done where the results were either clearly ambiguous (favoring no race) or clearly in favor of some other race and their conclusion went actually counter to their own results.  So one reason bias persists is a kind of willful ignorance.

Another reason is that people avoid dissonance.  Especially people who have a lot invested in an idea.  For example, people who believed that the world was going to be destroyed and they were going to be rescued by aliens.  When the prophecy didn't come true their leader prophesied that they had been spared and given another chance to save the world.  Clearly the evidence was either in favor of the idea that the world was never really going to end or at least at parity with it. What did most of the believers do? The chose to believe that they have been given a second chance.

A third reason is that a lot of stereotypes are phrased in a way that is either unfalsifiable or infeasible to falsify. I think one poster below stated that women aren't as logical as men.  If you met one logical woman would that be enough to stop the belief?  No, because it's asserting what "most" people are like not all.  However given that the person in question will never meet "most women" let alone engage the subset of women he/she does meet in some kind of discussion which can readily deduce if they are "logical" or not relative to "men".  The person can, keep their stereotype pretty much forever.

We make all kinds of assumptions all day, every day. You don't always have the time for a fair, objective, in-depth analysis of everything.

The far, far, far, far more rational approach is to simply believe that one rarely has the information to make certain generalizations.  This isn't political correctness, it's just math.

I'm sorry, but if were a hiring manager, and there were three people applying for a software engineering job, named Amanda Jones, Deshawn White, and Wolfgang Wattenburg, and I didn't have access to any information than their names, I'd probably do the "un-PC" thing and choose the German-sounding guy. True, he might be the one exception to the stereotype, and the female might be particularly good at programming -- but it's usually smart to go with the odds.

Again, this is a good point about how you suck at math.  Your assumption is based on the population distribution of software developers.  However that is only useful as long as the sample is random.  i.e. picking someone at random from a population.   A male is more likely to be part of a profession that is predominately male than a female.  However job applicants are self-selected so the distribution no longer applies.  Given it's highly likely that the vast majority of applicants to a software development position are software developers (especially if it's not an entry level job) My sample is less than 1% of application are completely out-of-field.  The likelihood is that all three are software developers of some kind.

So from there it's a question of ability not if they are developers or not

And remember -- the exception proves the rule.

Normally, I'd deconstruct that to show what a bizarre statement it is.

Just because you can show me a single female computer programmer will not cause me to throw my hands in the air and say, "You're right, there's no pattern. Programmers are male and female." No, you merely showed me an exception, which is remarkable because it's an exception to the rule.

Perfect example of how you can keep your prejudice as long as you like.

[jgraham]

and mediocre as hell Starcraft2 player

Then we should definitely play SC2.

[GeniuSxBoY]

Me rockin a shirt I helped design.  I'm an avid Bitcoin miner, hardware enthusiast, and mediocre as hell Starcraft2 player and even worse MW2 player.  And yeah I love shopping

just wait 20 years... this is what you'll look like






 

[arnoldrimmer]

A old Friend did just sent me this http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=236501879714968&id=192773887421101

she is blank and needs Money

[kjj]

People make wrong assumptions based on stupidly small and biased samples.  You are a good example of this.  You don't know all stereotypes, in fact it's likely you only know a small fraction of stereotypes and that fraction is biased by geography and self-selection and generally poor education in statistics and/or logic (i.e. not understanding that even if most avid shoe shoppers are women does not imply that most women are avid shoe shoppers).  From this you have generalized that this says something about all stereotypes.  Not only that but I'd wager you probably don't know many of the true values (i.e. How many Americans really are X). 

This one paragraph wins.  It is so full of stereotypes about people that believe in stereotypes that I imagine you must have been smirking in irony as you typed it.

[wallet.dat]

just wait 20 years... this is what you'll look like






 

I'm not sure whether I'd be scared or look forward to being Bill Gates haha

[Mousepotato]

just wait 20 years... this is what you'll look like






 

Wait, is that Ellen Degeneres?

[NF6X]

I would LOVE to have some 6970s but they're wayyy out of my budg right now.  I had to settle for some 5870s and a 5850 I found off Craigslist. 

Oh, I thought you had a 6990 based on your shirt. I guess you were just teasing us. 

[Phinnaeus Gage]

just wait 20 years... this is what you'll look like






 

Wait, is that Ellen Degeneres?

I think it's her brother, Elvin.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

I wonder when the first bitcoin online sex shop's gonna open? I mean, girls would love that. Buying a toy anonymously.

If I was 30 years younger, I would of posted this. But now at 51, I have to read about this GREAT idea on a this board.

Bitoin: For All Your Toys

[Mousepotato]

Oh, I thought you had a 6990 based on your shirt. I guess you were just teasing us. 

hah yeah I wish I had a 6990 or two. 

[Fireball]

Wow! You're that hot and a total computer geek!

Actually not as uncommon as one might think. I know several very, very attractive female computer geeks, of which one is my girlfriend.

Mind pointing out a few more?

Haha, if you live in Sweden, maybe I can hook you up

* Fireball gets in line

[Fireball]

Male 195 (88.2%)
Female 13 (5.9%)
Other 13 (5.9%)

Could those 13 "Other" please reply here? I really wonder why author of this topic created that "Other" part. Human on planet Earth may be strictly male or female. Disorders, changed sex, different orientation are just anomalies, which would still end up in male or female sex.

Or prove me wrong.

[wumpus]

Human on planet Earth may be strictly male or female. Disorders, changed sex, different orientation are just anomalies, which would still end up in male or female sex.

No. Even though a lot of 'Other' answerers are probably trolls, gender can truly be a very difficult issue in some cases,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender#Legal_status

[elements]

Let's ask them to accept bitcoins!!!

http://chicapparel.info/index.php

That would be awesome

[Fireball]

Human on planet Earth may be strictly male or female. Disorders, changed sex, different orientation are just anomalies, which would still end up in male or female sex.

No. Even though a lot of 'Other' answerers are probably trolls, gender can truly be a very difficult issue in some cases,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender#Legal_status

Sure, but it's a question of legal procedures, local and state laws and other bureocracy. Certainly, there could be more ways than just http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_sex-determination_system, however from human genetics point of view, it could only be XX or XY (YY is impossible).

So, ok, well for legal point of view "Other" could be used for that 1 out of 1,000,000 whose gender could not have been legally established. I laugh at those trolls who specified "Other" just for fun

[RandyFolds]

Human on planet Earth may be strictly male or female. Disorders, changed sex, different orientation are just anomalies, which would still end up in male or female sex.

No. Even though a lot of 'Other' answerers are probably trolls, gender can truly be a very difficult issue in some cases,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender#Legal_status

Sure, but it's a question of legal procedures, local and state laws and other bureocracy. Certainly, there could be more ways than just http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_sex-determination_system, however from human genetics point of view, it could only be XX or XY (YY is impossible).

So, ok, well for legal point of view "Other" could be used for that 1 out of 1,000,000 whose gender could not have been legally established. I laugh at those trolls who specified "Other" just for fun

Well that shows how little you know about genetics...

[Phinnaeus Gage]

If you want the women on board, all we have to do is tell them that this is an exclusive men's club. Then they'll want to join in droves.

[Fireball]

Well that shows how little you know about genetics...

Yep, I know substantially more in software development rather than in genetics Let's be straight: there are 2 (two) parties involved in a birth of a new life: spermatozoids and ovum. One is male, another is female. Please tell me who is the third party there

[Mousepotato]

If you want the women on board, all we have to do is tell them that this is an exclusive men's club. Then they'll want to join in droves.

lol probably true.

[Grouver (BtcBalance)]

Keep in mind Bitcoin is still an geek currency.
Internet was also for geeks back in the ol' days.

No worries No hurries, they will turn around.

[RandyFolds]

Well that shows how little you know about genetics...

Yep, I know substantially more in software development rather than in genetics Let's be straight: there are 2 (two) parties involved in a birth of a new life: spermatozoids and ovum. One is male, another is female. Please tell me who is the third party there

A mule is the sterile hybrid of a donkey and a horse. Just because a donkey and a horse went in, the mule doesn't exist?

The same goes for human genetics...a male and female gamete form an embryo, but what comes out is by no guarantee what went in. As one terrifying example, look up human chimerism. It is very possible for portions of your body to be female and portions of it to be male.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Well that shows how little you know about genetics...

Yep, I know substantially more in software development rather than in genetics Let's be straight: there are 2 (two) parties involved in a birth of a new life: spermatozoids and ovum. One is male, another is female. Please tell me who is the third party there

The third party is the party host who threw a party, thereby allowing two parties to meet where, later that evening, spermatozoid meets ovum, bringing an end to the party. But there is a happy ending to this story. The little rascal grows up and, not ever seeing a dollar bill, spends his hard earned Bitcoin on stuff--stuff he don't need.

Bitcoin: For the Other Stuff

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Well that shows how little you know about genetics...

Yep, I know substantially more in software development rather than in genetics Let's be straight: there are 2 (two) parties involved in a birth of a new life: spermatozoids and ovum. One is male, another is female. Please tell me who is the third party there

A mule is the sterile hybrid of a donkey and a horse. Just because a donkey and a horse went in, the mule doesn't exist?

The same goes for human genetics...a male and female gamete form an embryo, but what comes out is by no guarantee what went in. As one terrifying example, look up human chimerism. It is very possible for portions of your body to be female and portions of it to be male.

You know that you now opened this up for the pee pee up the butt comments.

Bitcoin: Private Transactions if You Like Pee Pees up the Butt

[RandyFolds]

Well that shows how little you know about genetics...

Yep, I know substantially more in software development rather than in genetics Let's be straight: there are 2 (two) parties involved in a birth of a new life: spermatozoids and ovum. One is male, another is female. Please tell me who is the third party there

The third party is the party host who threw a party, thereby allowing two parties to meet where, later that evening, spermatozoid meets ovum, bringing an end to the party. But there is a happy ending to this story. The little rascal grows up and, not ever seeing a dollar bill, spends his hard earned Bitcoin on stuff--stuff he don't need.

Bitcoin: For the Other Stuff

This is a much better explanation that I gave.

Bitcoin: It's probably not gonna get you laid...

[BitcoinBabe]

Let's ask them to accept bitcoins!!!

http://chicapparel.info/index.php

That would be awesome

Right, because women LOVE slutty underwear (and whhich is why their men tend to buy it for them more than they tend to buy it for themselves).
 

[NothinG]

Well that shows how little you know about genetics...

Yep, I know substantially more in software development rather than in genetics Let's be straight: there are 2 (two) parties involved in a birth of a new life: spermatozoids and ovum. One is male, another is female. Please tell me who is the third party there

The third party is the party host who threw a party, thereby allowing two parties to meet where, later that evening, spermatozoid meets ovum, bringing an end to the party. But there is a happy ending to this story. The little rascal grows up and, not ever seeing a dollar bill, spends his hard earned Bitcoin on stuff--stuff he don't need.

Bitcoin: For the Other Stuff

This is a much better explanation that I gave.

Bitcoin: It's probably not gonna get you laid...

Bitcoin: ...unless you pay for it...

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Well that shows how little you know about genetics...

Yep, I know substantially more in software development rather than in genetics Let's be straight: there are 2 (two) parties involved in a birth of a new life: spermatozoids and ovum. One is male, another is female. Please tell me who is the third party there

The third party is the party host who threw a party, thereby allowing two parties to meet where, later that evening, spermatozoid meets ovum, bringing an end to the party. But there is a happy ending to this story. The little rascal grows up and, not ever seeing a dollar bill, spends his hard earned Bitcoin on stuff--stuff he don't need.

Bitcoin: For the Other Stuff

This is a much better explanation that I gave.

Bitcoin: It's probably not gonna get you laid...

Bitcoin: ...unless you pay for it...

Bitcoin is "Cob in It" (an anagram)

[FlyingFlapjack]

Right, because women LOVE slutty underwear (and whhich is why their men tend to buy it for them more than they tend to buy it for themselves).

Oh come on, plenty of women obviously do like it. That they don't have to buy it for themselves is just a consequence of men also liking them in it.

Would you claim women don't like alcohol because men buy them drinks?

[Yuusha]

Let's ask them to accept bitcoins!!!

http://chicapparel.info/index.php

That would be awesome

Right, because women LOVE slutty underwear (and whhich is why their men tend to buy it for them more than they tend to buy it for themselves).
 

Uh, A LOT of women love sexy underwear.

[NothinG]

Let's ask them to accept bitcoins!!!

http://chicapparel.info/index.php

That would be awesome

Right, because women LOVE slutty underwear (and whhich is why their men tend to buy it for them more than they tend to buy it for themselves).
 

I wouldn't want to buy sexy underwear for myself. o.O

[FlyingFlapjack]

hmm on point though, I can see how that actually is more like something a lady person would get her boyfriend to spend his bitcoins on rather than spend her own bitcoins on.

and there are a bunch of good ideas in this thread...and the most basic idea being that the bitcoin community needs more merchants is right on this point and has been brought up in other contexts...

Bitcoin does seem to need a 'business lead' as others have called it, to make the most of the ideas here. I'm not sure what to do other than just emailing merchants etc and saying 'hey, accept bitcoins, how 'bout it?'

[RandyFolds]

Let's ask them to accept bitcoins!!!

http://chicapparel.info/index.php

That would be awesome

Right, because women LOVE slutty underwear (and whhich is why their men tend to buy it for them more than they tend to buy it for themselves).
 

Are you kidding? Every ladyfriend I've ever had has had at least some slutty underwear she would bust out with, even the really quiet, unassuming ones.

[BitcoinBabe]

Let's ask them to accept bitcoins!!!

http://chicapparel.info/index.php

That would be awesome

Right, because women LOVE slutty underwear (and whhich is why their men tend to buy it for them more than they tend to buy it for themselves).
 

Are you kidding? Every ladyfriend I've ever had has had at least some slutty underwear she would bust out with, even the really quiet, unassuming ones.

LOL. I have matching lingerie and I also have some slutty underwear (trust me, they're not the same thing). The latter was bought for me by a guy who only got to see me wear it so his feelings wouldn't get hurt.

I love it when men think they know women oh so very well.

[Yuusha]

LOL. I have matching lingerie and I also have some slutty underwear (trust me, they're not the same thing). The latter was bought for me by a guy who only got to see me wear it so his feelings wouldn't get hurt.

I love it when men think they know women oh so very well.

I love it when women think every other woman is exactly like them.

[RandyFolds]

Let's ask them to accept bitcoins!!!

http://chicapparel.info/index.php

That would be awesome

Right, because women LOVE slutty underwear (and whhich is why their men tend to buy it for them more than they tend to buy it for themselves).
 

Are you kidding? Every ladyfriend I've ever had has had at least some slutty underwear she would bust out with, even the really quiet, unassuming ones.

LOL. I have matching lingerie and I also have some slutty underwear (trust me, they're not the same thing). The latter was bought for me by a guy who only got to see me wear it so his feelings wouldn't get hurt.

I love it when men think they know women oh so very well.

I don't know how I can come off not sounding like an asshole here, so here it goes. I am not saying I know women 'oh so well', I am just saying that I have slept with a fair amount of women and every single one of them busted out slutty underwear at some point, and they haven't all been sluts. I am only speaking from experience, nothing more. I didn't buy the slutty underwear for them, and I doubt that other men purchased them for every single one of them.

My current girlfriend with whom I have lived for two years occasionally comes home with something skanky from Victoria Secret or wherever women purchase such things.

[BitcoinBabe]

LOL. I have matching lingerie and I also have some slutty underwear (trust me, they're not the same thing). The latter was bought for me by a guy who only got to see me wear it so his feelings wouldn't get hurt.

I love it when men think they know women oh so very well.

I love it when women think every other woman is exactly like them.

I don't think all women are like me. Not even most of my women friends are me or like each other. But when it comes to women's underwear, many men don't seem to know the difference between classy and brassy (nor, for that matter, sexy and slutty), but their wives and girlfriends tend to put up with it anyway.

[RandyFolds]

LOL. I have matching lingerie and I also have some slutty underwear (trust me, they're not the same thing). The latter was bought for me by a guy who only got to see me wear it so his feelings wouldn't get hurt.

I love it when men think they know women oh so very well.

I love it when women think every other woman is exactly like them.

I don't think all women are like me. Not even most of my women friends are me or like each other. But when it comes to women's underwear, many men don't seem to know the difference between classy and brassy (nor, for that matter, sexy and slutty), but their wives and girlfriends tend to put up with it anyway.

Women in their underwear are sexy. That's that. When those underwear become exotic in any form, they become slutty, by my reckoning. Maybe I am too naive.

[Yuusha]

LOL. I have matching lingerie and I also have some slutty underwear (trust me, they're not the same thing). The latter was bought for me by a guy who only got to see me wear it so his feelings wouldn't get hurt.

I love it when men think they know women oh so very well.

I love it when women think every other woman is exactly like them.

I don't think all women are like me. Not even most of my women friends are me or like each other. But when it comes to women's underwear, many men don't seem to know the difference between classy and brassy (nor, for that matter, sexy and slutty), but their wives and girlfriends tend to put up with it anyway.

I've talked to a lot of women who say they love sexy underwear. These are women who haven't been sexually interested in me, so it wasn't said in any way to impress me or for me to feel better about myself. My current girlfriend also loves sexy underwear. For most of the women who love sexy underwear, it is all about being attractive to their man. They love the way the man they love look at them when they're wearing something sexy.

[Yuusha]

LOL. I have matching lingerie and I also have some slutty underwear (trust me, they're not the same thing). The latter was bought for me by a guy who only got to see me wear it so his feelings wouldn't get hurt.

I love it when men think they know women oh so very well.

I love it when women think every other woman is exactly like them.

I don't think all women are like me. Not even most of my women friends are me or like each other. But when it comes to women's underwear, many men don't seem to know the difference between classy and brassy (nor, for that matter, sexy and slutty), but their wives and girlfriends tend to put up with it anyway.

Women in their underwear are sexy. That's that. When those underwear become exotic in any form, they become slutty, by my reckoning. Maybe I am too naive.

Not naive. Just a bit old fashioned

[CryptoCommodity]

How do you differentiate between sexy and slutty?  It seems rather subjective and based only on how a woman views herself.

My wife prefers La Perla but it is often worn as outerwear.  But this is Vegas so things are a little different here.

How does Bitcoinbabe define slutty underwear?

[CryptoCommodity]

For example is the following outfit sexy or slutty?  Its a pic from a random night at Vanity nightclub at the Hard Rock Las Vegas but it may be NSFW.

http://cryptocommodity.org/tats/backsm.jpg

People use too many labels.

[NothinG]

For example is the following pic sexy or slutty?  Its a pic from a random night at Vanity nightclub at the Hard Rock Las Vegas but it may be NSFW.

http://cryptocommodity.org/tats/backsm.jpg

People use too many labels.

Slightly slutty, IMO.

[BitcoinBabe]

LOL. I have matching lingerie and I also have some slutty underwear (trust me, they're not the same thing). The latter was bought for me by a guy who only got to see me wear it so his feelings wouldn't get hurt.

I love it when men think they know women oh so very well.

I love it when women think every other woman is exactly like them.

I don't think all women are like me. Not even most of my women friends are me or like each other. But when it comes to women's underwear, many men don't seem to know the difference between classy and brassy (nor, for that matter, sexy and slutty), but their wives and girlfriends tend to put up with it anyway.

I've talked to a lot of women who say they love sexy underwear. These are women who haven't been sexually interested in me, so it wasn't said in any way to impress me or for me to feel better about myself. My current girlfriend also loves sexy underwear. For most of the women who love sexy underwear, it is all about being attractive to their man. They love the way the man they love look at them when they're wearing something sexy.

I'm in total agreement. However, like I said, sexy doesn't equate slutty.

[CurbsideProphet]

I would LOVE to have some 6970s but they're wayyy out of my budg right now.  I had to settle for some 5870s and a 5850 I found off Craigslist. 

You could always get a Bitcoin tattoo.  I'm sure we could get that bounty pretty quick.

[BitcoinBabe]

For example is the following outfit sexy or slutty?  Its a pic from a random night at Vanity nightclub at the Hard Rock Las Vegas but it may be NSFW.

http://cryptocommodity.org/tats/backsm.jpg

People use too many labels.

Personally, I'd say slutty.

For what it's worth, I have a friend who used to be a pole dancer. She'd happily wear something like that for work. She'd never wear it outside of work, but that doesn't mean she wouldn't buy sexy underwear/lingerie for herself to wear under her regular clothes.

So are there women who'd think that was sexy? I guess.

However, to get back on topic, would a site that sells such an outfit be the best way to get women on board, especially with so few mainstream-friendly sites currently available? All it would do is cash in on the sleazy reputation that some would like to portray bitcoin as having.

Imagine a non-technie, non-libertarian woman has only heard negative things about bitcoin, like the Silk Road saga, and then couple that with the difficulty of securing your currency (to a non-techie). But let's say curiosity gets the better of her and she decides to see what she can actually buy with bitcoin, and all she comes across (for now) is a site that sells outfits like the one in your link. What d'you think she'd think? Slutty or sexy? Think she'd be chomping at the bit to get some bitcoin to buy that outfit?

[BitcoinBabe]

Well, frome the way this thread has gone, it seems it's more important for some men to be right about women and slutty underwear than it is to find out how to get women to use bitcoin in large numbers.

It seems the idea of women in underwear is way to distracting for some of you, so I'll reiterate to try and get back/stay on topic:

Imagine a non-technie, non-libertarian woman has only heard negative things about bitcoin, like the Silk Road saga, and then couple that with the difficulty of securing your currency (to a non-techie). But let's say curiosity gets the better of her and she decides to see what she can actually buy with bitcoin, and all she comes across (for now) is a site that sells outfits like the ones that have so far been suggested or pointed out (http://chicapparel.info/index.php and http://cryptocommodity.org/tats/backsm.jpg). What d'you think she'd think? Do you seriously think she'd be chomping at the bit to get some bitcoin to buy any of these outfits?

Knock yourselves out guys!

[SmokeAndMirrors]

Most women will not choose to use bitcoins in its current stage. First of all, it's too technical for their nonsensical minds. Secondly, they can't max out a bitcoin like they can a credit card.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Another way to get the women on board the Bitcoin train, is to have them join and comment on this message board. The way to do that is to juxtapose only two letters and start a new tread entitle "Broads Wanted". Thereby, pissing them off bad enough, they'll want to join so that they can comment on the thread. Once here, they'll realize that this is a fun loving community and tell their other lady friends who, in turn, will tell other women and, before long, we will be overrun with a bunch of crazy bitches...

WHO'S IDEA WAS THIS, ANYWAY? Us guys can't have anything!

Bitcoin: Where Sex Matters

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Most women will not choose to use bitcoins in its current stage. First of all, it's too technical for their nonsensical minds. Secondly, they can't max out a bitcoin like they can a credit card.

Not true. A woman can max out their Bitcoin account by spending every last bitcoin in their wallet. Whereas a man would save some BTC in thier account for bragging rights.

I have Bitcoin. Yes I do. I have Bitcoin. How 'bout you? Damn, I miss high school.

[Xephan]

Imagine a non-technie, non-libertarian woman has only heard negative things about bitcoin, like the Silk Road saga, and then couple that with the difficulty of securing your currency (to a non-techie). But let's say curiosity gets the better of her and she decides to see what she can actually buy with bitcoin, and all she comes across (for now) is a site that sells outfits like the ones that have so far been suggested or pointed out (http://chicapparel.info/index.php and http://cryptocommodity.org/tats/backsm.jpg). What d'you think she'd think? Do you seriously think she'd be chomping at the bit to get some bitcoin to buy any of these outfits?

Nevermind possibly dubious or niche products, even if it was say some really popular brand of bags/shoes/accessories at discounted rates, most women I know aren't going to jump through the current hoops just to get some bitcoins for an impulse buy when they can get it NOW using a credit card that they can pay later and effectively on installments as well.

[CurbsideProphet]

Most women will not choose to use bitcoins in its current stage. First of all, it's too technical for their nonsensical minds. Secondly, they can't max out a bitcoin like they can a credit card.

Most people would not use Bitcoin in its current state.  We are the minority trying to figure out how to appeal to the masses. 

I think the focus at Bitcoin's current stage is misplaced at times.  Right now it's not about the vendor, we need the backbone infrastructure in place first.  There's still a lot of growing pains to go through.   

[timmey]

Actually not as uncommon as one might think. I know several very, very attractive female computer geeks, of which one is my girlfriend.

For everyone who doesn't have a hot geek girlfriend i have a proposal in my signature.

However, to get back on topic, would a site that sells such an outfit be the best way to get women on board, especially with so few mainstream-friendly sites currently available? All it would do is cash in on the sleazy reputation that some would like to portray bitcoin as having.

Sleazy reputation? I'm working on it!

You could always get a Bitcoin tattoo.  I'm sure we could get that bounty pretty quick.

That's already been done, search for "worlds first bitcoin tattoo".


ONTOPIC:
Ungeekify the usage of Bitcoins or it will never happen.

[NothinG]

ONTOPIC:
Ungeekify the usage of Bitcoins or it will never happen.

Once all the bitcoins get minned, there will be no point in needing to ungeekify.

[TiagoTiago]

ONTOPIC:
Ungeekify the usage of Bitcoins or it will never happen.

Once all the bitcoins get minned, there will be no point in needing to ungeekify.

Wait, what?! 0.o

[NothinG]

ONTOPIC:
Ungeekify the usage of Bitcoins or it will never happen.

Once all the bitcoins get minned, there will be no point in needing to ungeekify.

Wait, what?! 0.o

There will be a day when there is no more mining for bitcoins.
So, there will be no need to teach girls the femininity side of it.

[NF6X]

There will be a day when there is no more mining for bitcoins.
So, there will be no need to teach girls the femininity side of it.

Because once all 21e6 BTC are mined, we'll all stop promoting and using BTC? 

[Xephan]

ONTOPIC:
Ungeekify the usage of Bitcoins or it will never happen.

Once all the bitcoins get minned, there will be no point in needing to ungeekify.

Wait, what?! 0.o

Basically, it's like using computers.

Back in the 1970~80s, you would have to be a real geek to know to use one.
Fast forward 20 years and by the 2000s, it's a household appliance even grandma might know how to use.

Since it'll take until 2030~2040 or so for all bitcoins to get mined, bitcoin surviving meaningfully means the infrastructural issues should had been ironed out and it won't be a geeky thing anymore. Just like how laptops and PDAs aren't a geek thing since like 10 years ago.

[NothinG]

There will be a day when there is no more mining for bitcoins.
So, there will be no need to teach girls the femininity side of it.

Because once all 21e6 BTC are mined, we'll all stop promoting and using BTC? 

No no, once all BTC are mined there won't be any reason to teach girls how to setup miners or worry about them killing your miner.
We would just need to show them how to get a Bitcoin Card (similar to a Debit Card) and they will know what to do from there.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

There will be a day when there is no more mining for bitcoins.
So, there will be no need to teach girls the femininity side of it.

Because once all 21e6 BTC are mined, we'll all stop promoting and using BTC? 

No no, once all BTC are mined there won't be any reason to teach girls how to setup miners or worry about them killing your miner.
We would just need to show them how to get a Bitcoin Card (similar to a Debit Card) and they will know what to do from there.

Interesting! Giving Bitcoin cards as gifts to women.

Bitcoin: For Women Who have Everything--But Want More

[Phinnaeus Gage]

There will be a day when there is no more mining for bitcoins.
So, there will be no need to teach girls the femininity side of it.

Because once all 21e6 BTC are mined, we'll all stop promoting and using BTC? 

No no, once all BTC are mined there won't be any reason to teach girls how to setup miners or worry about them killing your miner.
We would just need to show them how to get a Bitcoin Card (similar to a Debit Card) and they will know what to do from there.

Interesting! Giving Bitcoin cards as gifts to women.

Bitcoin: For Women Who have Everything--But Want More

Sorry for quoting myself, but after proofreading I had another brain fart upon reading my trademark random Bitcoin slogan tag.

What if rich and famous women started using Bitcoin to make discreet (or not so discreet) purchases? Then the common Janes would want to emulate them by getting their own card. (s**t, I'm farting faster than I can type--hang with me, for I'm taking the idea to the nth degree).

What if the average Jane discovered that Oprah (can't think of her last name, but hopefully you've heard of her) is using Bitcoin? What if there was a limited edition Oprah Bitcoin physical card? What if Oprah invested in Bitcoin prior to announcing that she uses it, therefore increasing her net worth? What if a handful of other famous personalities did the same (Lady Ga Ga; Britney Spears; Helena Bonham Carter; Casey Johnson)? Speaking of Helena, what if girls/women who are into Goth (or whatever it's called, but you know what I mean) started using Bitcoin? Let's not forget the high school chicks (I, for one, will never forget). Imagine them having a Miley Cyrus Bitcoin personality card. Hell, these cards don't even have to be loaded--at first. They'll sell like hot cakes... HOT CAKES!!! What if... (now I'm being stupid).

Hopefully, this post helps keep the creative juices flowing.

Bitcoin: They Have It--You Want It

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Forgive me, for I'm still farting.

What else do women like to do? Slot machines. I'm taking about a physical slot machine built by WMS Gaming or Bally Technologies and placed on casino floors with a Bitcoin theme. Here's the great part for the manufacture(s): No license fees to pay out.

Bitcoin has all the elements to make this a success:

* Miners & Mining Pools (imagine the animation)
* Block Payouts (50 credits--relatively common with a unique sound when hit)
* Bonus Round (describe what you feel a bonus round should consist of in your follow up posts)
* MegaBitcoin (linked machines between all the participating casinos to win 1M BTC)
* A giant rotating bitcoin hung over the bank of machines
* The machines would have a unique sound not heard before in a casino (as a lure)
* The chairs (stools) would all have the Bitcoin logo on them
* The machines accept $ or BTC, but if you use BTC, you'll receive X% extra credits
* Cash outs can be in $ or directly back into your Bitcoin wallet
* Even though they don't make real coin machines any more, one can still win a novelty 99% silver Bitcoin coin that has the casino name embossed on the back. Now people would be collecting them to have the whole set.

Feel free to expand this idea.

Bitcoin: Spin to Win

[NF6X]

Miley Cyrus Bitcoin personality card.

If I use a Miley Cyrus Bitcoin Card to buy some smack on Silk Road... uh, I can't think of a good ending for the joke. Somebody pick up the ball and run with it, ok?

[NothinG]

Miley Cyrus Bitcoin personality card.

If I use a Miley Cyrus Bitcoin Card to buy some smack on Silk Road... uh, I can't think of a good ending for the joke. Somebody pick up the ball and run with it, ok?

No reason to use Silk Road, it will all go to one place.
Everyone knows that. xD

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Miley Cyrus Bitcoin personality card.

If I use a Miley Cyrus Bitcoin Card to buy some smack on Silk Road... uh, I can't think of a good ending for the joke. Somebody pick up the ball and run with it, ok?

No reason to use Silk Road, it will all go to one place.
Everyone knows that. xD

I remember listening to, and making love during, this song in the 80's: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gXZPaIl6us&feature=related I sure do miss her. That's what I think of every time I see Silk Road in print.

[jgraham]

People make wrong assumptions based on stupidly small and biased samples.  You are a good example of this.  You don't know all stereotypes, in fact it's likely you only know a small fraction of stereotypes and that fraction is biased by geography and self-selection and generally poor education in statistics and/or logic (i.e. not understanding that even if most avid shoe shoppers are women does not imply that most women are avid shoe shoppers).  From this you have generalized that this says something about all stereotypes.  Not only that but I'd wager you probably don't know many of the true values (i.e. How many Americans really are X). 

This one paragraph wins.  It is so full of stereotypes about people that believe in stereotypes

*sigh* No. 

Much of that paragraph is refuting one persons stereotype (about stereotypes if we weren't getting "meta" enough).  There is an air of refuting the general case but there's really not much of a stereotype there.   If you aren't basing your stereotypes around large, well-randomized samples then you are by definition making wrong assumptions and unless you are doing so knowingly then it would be the result of poor education in statistics.

With regard to the OP's argument that "if you look at things rationally 90% of stereotypes hang around because they are true".  Given that I doubt anyone knows the total number of stereotypes it seems pretty likely that he/she is part of the "poorly educated in statistics" group.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Did the influx of women accepting Bitcoin as their new currency option cause the demise of this thread?

[Mousepotato]

What influx?

[elggawf]

What influx?

You, MsBitcoin, and one other... that's like 300% growth! Up up up!

[Phinnaeus Gage]

What influx?

My statement was tongue-in-cheek, unless I didn't get the memo on the influx.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

I see we got two more women on board:

[LH66]

Moving on, assuming that my belief is correct, the question is how we get them on board?

I am a woman who was drawn to btc for ideological reasons. I found this board a few months ago. I have to say that this board is not an example of a community that values the input of women. There is a tremendous amount of misogyny here. So these forums are not safe for women, not at all. Women can't come here to be educated without being offended or verbally harassed. For example, there is somebody here who has, as his sig, a site for bitporn. Do the board mods really believe that women want to see that sort of thing? Do they think intelligent, business oriented women don't notice or care about that?

For myself, when I put an ad for my accounting services in exchange for btc, I got asked twice to do somebody's accounting homework. Another troll asked if the photo on my homepage was of me naked. Neither of these comments were taken down by the board admin, and they should have been.

It starts with the leadership. If the leaders of the btc community do not want women here, which definitely seems to be the case, then the tone of the boards will be anti woman.

Also, the average woman won't know how to store btc safely. Remember one thing for women: we want safety. If/when btc becomes safe to store and carry, we'll be on board in droves. Until that time, we won't touch it, not in any real way.

The boards need to be a safe place to learn and ask questions, and btc needs to be safely stored without needing an IT degree to figure it out. Getting those two things in line will go along way to attracting intelligent women to btc.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Moving on, assuming that my belief is correct, the question is how we get them on board?

I am a woman who was drawn to btc for ideological reasons. I found this board a few months ago. I have to say that this board is not an example of a community that values the input of women. There is a tremendous amount of misogyny here. So these forums are not safe for women, not at all. Women can't come here to be educated without being offended or verbally harassed. For example, there is somebody here who has, as his sig, a site for bitporn. Do the board mods really believe that women want to see that sort of thing? Do they think intelligent, business oriented women don't notice or care about that?

For myself, when I put an ad for my accounting services in exchange for btc, I got asked twice to do somebody's accounting homework. Another troll asked if the photo on my homepage was of me naked. Neither of these comments were taken down by the board admin, and they should have been.

It starts with the leadership. If the leaders of the btc community do not want women here, which definitely seems to be the case, then the tone of the boards will be anti woman.

Also, the average woman won't know how to store btc safely. Remember one thing for women: we want safety. If/when btc becomes safe to store and carry, we'll be on board in droves. Until that time, we won't touch it, not in any real way.

The boards need to be a safe place to learn and ask questions, and btc needs to be safely stored without needing an IT degree to figure it out. Getting those two things in line will go along way to attracting intelligent women to btc.

+1 (I came so close to typing +[insert THAT two digit number], but that would have proven her point immensely)

This is a very well thought out post with great talking points.

[Gabi]

That post make "women" look like "special people" 

Omg someone has porn in his signature, we are doomed 

[NF6X]

Some people like porn, and some are offended by it. I don't see how that is a gender issue, since I know both men and women who fall into each category. Any free marketplace of sufficient size is likely to see trade in some commodity that somebody doesn't approve of, but tolerating things that you don't like is a necessary cost of living in a free society.

Similarly, what does gender have to do with whether a person knows how to secure their wallet?

I agree that asking random professionals to do one's homework is childish and rude, and I also agree that people who present themselves online as women are likely to get vigorously leg-humped by immature, undersexed, socially inept people. This is the least vigorously moderated forum that I regularly participate in, so I tend to notice more of that behavior here. I would not object to this forum's moderators taking a firmer stance on people being jerks to each other here.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

 Women trust other women.






Notice the color of her blouse/dress.

[LH66]

... tolerating things that you don't like is a necessary cost of living in a free society.

Hmmmm no I don't agree that people have to tolerate things they don't like. In the case of these forums and btc, it is obvious women don't like them and have not "tolerated" them. That's why they're not here and why they haven't adopted btc. That's the whole reason for this thread. "How do we get women on board?" People get on board with things they like, they don't get on board with things they merely "tolerate." Women, in particular, get on board when they feel safe. Intelligent, business oriented women who have families, who are the ones I presume the btc leadership would prefer to have first as opposed to uneducated women, won't hang around here in droves because it's not safe. And btc is not safe to hold. There is no "off the shelf" product that makes btc easy to use and very safe to carry.

These are the facts about intelligent, educated, business oriented women who also have or want children. I'm not talking about party girls here. You are of course free to disagree with me. But keep in mind one thing: the current btc marketing strategy (if it can even be called that, if there is even such a thing, yet which this board plays a part) has NOT attracted women by and large. Perhaps a change of strategy is in order. Isn't this also free market - realizing something needs to change because a HUGE segment of the market is not participating, then making the necessary change to bring in that segment?

[Gabi]

Women don't have to adopt btc, they want to have btc. Or a boyfriend with a LOT of btc. Give them a boyfriend with a lot of btc and ta dah they will adopt them instantly

[Xephan]

Women don't have to adopt btc, they want to have btc. Or a boyfriend with a LOT of btc. Give them a boyfriend with a lot of btc and ta dah they will adopt them instantly

Woman don't want BTC. They want stuff like jewelry and the latest fashion. Or a boyfriend who can give them lots of that. If BTC can give them lots of that, ta dah they will adopt them instantly.

So we just need to convince a few upper management at LV, Gucci, Prada etc...

[Kermee]

Some members here might be sexist. -- Bitcoin, in itself, is non-discriminatory.

Cheers,
Kermee

[timmey]

Women can't come here to be educated without being offended or verbally harassed. For example, there is somebody here who has, as his sig, a site for bitporn. Do the board mods really believe that women want to see that sort of thing?

I have porn advertisement in my signature too but I don't intend to offend anyone or harassed you. I do not use banners or oversized font size, my signature is far less annoying than Phinnaeus Gage's signature and his image spam posts in every thread to advertise his leather wallets. (Sorry Phinnaeus Gage   )
But I agree with you that this board isn't really made for women, it's a male nerd club.

[evoorhees]

LH66- I think these forums (as are most forums) are abrasive on all people, not specifically on women. However I do find your comment on the Bitcoin Porn signature a bit odd - for that member is very involved in these forums and I find his posts are usually compelling and thoughtful. I've never seen him post something derogatory. You may find his business objectionable, but he's not hurting anyone and isn't even posting lewd material in the forums.

[LH66]

This is a very well thought out post with great talking points.

Thank you.  

[Xephan]

So these forums are not safe for women, not at all. Women can't come here to be educated without being offended or verbally harassed. For example, there is somebody here who has, as his sig, a site for bitporn. Do the board mods really believe that women want to see that sort of thing? Do they think intelligent, business oriented women don't notice or care about that?

I think it boils down to personal sensitivity. Practically all my partners (and my country is more conservative than the States) had no problems with porn and would even suggest watching it together. Of course I suppose you might not consider the likes of a double-degree holding lawyer and bankers intelligent or business oriented but...

Also, is any woman here seriously being harrassed (the definition of which is debatable as well) for nothing except the fact she's a woman?

[LH66]

LH66- I think these forums (as are most forums) are abrasive on all people, not specifically on women.

Boards are as abrasive as the board mods allow them to be. Take Tim Ferris, for example. He has a very active blog. It's not unusual for each of his posts to receive over 100 comments. All of them are respectful, even when they express an opposing view they are respectful. It's because he has a policy that everybody understands and is enforced. Trolls are removed immediately and disrespect is not tolerated.

I really does go back to the leadership. They set the tone.

However I do find your comment on the Bitcoin Porn signature a bit odd - for that member is very involved in these forums and I find his posts are usually compelling and thoughtful. I've never seen him post something derogatory. You may find his business objectionable, but he's not hurting anyone and isn't even posting lewd material in the forums.

I am only expressing how I feel when I see such things. I have reason to believe my feelings are shared by a broad segment of women, the specific segment that would make excellent btc adopters. Plus I made no comment on the person's posts, only his sig. As I said before, the current "strategy" for getting women to adopt btc is not working. Perhaps it's time for a new strategy, one that incorporates the needs and desires of the target demographic.

[Gabi]

I think this forum is for everyone, no matter if you are a man or a woman. You don't have to tell everyone "i am a man" or "i am a woman" to use it.

[BitcoinNotify.com]

With every new technology there is this "How can we get more women on board?" step I don't understand.

Why should we?

[LH66]

Two very practical examples:

1. There is NO way I would recommend to my female relatives or friends to come here to learn more about btc. No frickin' way. It is just not a safe place for women to be.

2. I won't recommend btc to them either, not at this time. There is no easy way for them to get into the btc market, and no easy way for them to store btc safely. Crimony my client still crashes regularly and I haven't figured out why. I would be embarassed to tell my friends to download it. Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful for it. But I can't recommend it to my female friends at this time.

Having said these things, I believe in the idea behind btc and that is why I am still here. But I know I'm unusual.

[mmartoccia]

This article was posted today which is very apropos to this thread.  Futurity.org – Sex appeal: Women kiss science goodbye http://bit.ly/q6hMWk  < Not terribly surprising.

[timmey]

2. I won't recommend btc to them either, not at this time. There is no easy way for them to get into the btc market, and no easy way for them to store btc safely. Crimony my client still crashes regularly and I haven't figured out why. I would be embarassed to tell my friends to download it. Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful for it. But I can't recommend it to my female friends at this time.

Bitcoin is still beta and isn't usable for average jane nor joe yet.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Women can't come here to be educated without being offended or verbally harassed. For example, there is somebody here who has, as his sig, a site for bitporn. Do the board mods really believe that women want to see that sort of thing?

I have porn advertisement in my signature too but I don't intend to offend anyone or harassed you. I do not use banners or oversized font size, my signature is far less annoying than Phinnaeus Gage's signature and his image spam posts in every thread to advertise his leather wallets. (Sorry Phinnaeus Gage   )
But I agree with you that this board isn't really made for women, it's a male nerd club.

(I think your apology is sincere, timmey, but allow me to address your statement below)

I'm going to nip this issue in the bud right now! Everything I do on this board is for the betterment of Bitcoin. I see no profits from the sale of these wallets. Yes, I comment on many thread and my signature is now seen. But I don't press the leather wallet issue in those threads, although I did do such for a very brief period of time, and because of a remark by another member, I ceased doing that. Now your remark will make me consider changing the font size a little. I am doing the same exact type of postings I did prior to developing the Bitcoin wallets--posting my thoughts, albeit sometimes weird.

I want to thank timmey for bringing this to my attention. I realize the mistake I made. Since I saw other advertising signatures using large fonts, I thought it was okay to do such. Although it's allowed, it may not be a good idea to follow those examples.

With that said, anybody want to buy a...

[RandyFolds]

So these forums are not safe for women, not at all. Women can't come here to be educated without being offended or verbally harassed. For example, there is somebody here who has, as his sig, a site for bitporn. Do the board mods really believe that women want to see that sort of thing? Do they think intelligent, business oriented women don't notice or care about that?

I think it boils down to personal sensitivity. Practically all my partners (and my country is more conservative than the States) had no problems with porn and would even suggest watching it together. Of course I suppose you might not consider the likes of a double-degree holding lawyer and bankers intelligent or business oriented but...

Also, is any woman here seriously being harrassed (the definition of which is debatable as well) for nothing except the fact she's a woman?

I don't think women are given too much shit on this thread, save one particularly drama-and-insult-filled thread. I find myself holding back from trolling down on the people I know are women. Men want to protect women; it's their instinct if they are decent human beings.

LH66: Do women patronize gas stations and liquor stores where pornography is sold? It seems a fair analogy to merely the word porn appearing in someone's signature. You are taking quite a moral stance here, and I am not sure the rest of the world agrees with you.

[LH66]

I don't think women are given too much shit on this thread, save one particularly drama-and-insult-filled thread. I find myself holding back from trolling down on the people I know are women. Men want to protect women; it's their instinct if they are decent human beings.

That's good to know, thank you, but that has not been  my experience here.

LH66: Do women patronize gas stations and liquor stores where pornography is sold? It seems a fair analogy to merely the word porn appearing in someone's signature. You are taking quite a moral stance here, and I am not sure the rest of the world agrees with you.

It makes me very sad to think that, as a woman, I have to keep defending my objection to porn advertisements, as if I'm some sort of anomaly. Regardless, my question remains: where are the women? Why aren't they here? MIGHT it have anything to do with the issues I mentioned?

[geek-trader]

LH66, you have made several good points.  This forum is pretty troll infested.  Why do you think bitcoin.org moved us into the ghetto?

However, I do take issue with your objection to *text* porn links in member's sigs.  Porn has ALWAYS helped new technology.  It spurred the adoption of the VHS player.  It certainly helped the internet become popular.  This article http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2002/mar/03/internetnews.observerfocus even argues it drove adoption of mobile phones.

Bitcoin is a liberating technology.  It frees us from government control.  This means a lot of things, but some of the things it means is we are free to spend it as we wish, on gambling, and donations to organizations the government would rather did not exist (wikileaks), and yes, on porn.

Also, many bitcoin supporters lean libertarian.  I am one.  A liberal-libertarian, but libertarian none the less. Libertarians HATE to be told what to do.  We especially hate it when it's the government doing the telling.  So, we love free speech.  That means that, if we want to say what we want to say, we must tolerate it when other people say things we don't want to hear.

That doesn't mean we can't argue with them.

I also would not recommend this forum to many of my friends.  There are a lot of asshats here.  But they are asshats to everyone.

Eventually, bitcoin will get a forum thats a lot less toll infested.  Some users are working on this one: http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/30763/bitcoin-crypto-currency

Thanks

[RandyFolds]

I don't think women are given too much shit on this thread, save one particularly drama-and-insult-filled thread. I find myself holding back from trolling down on the people I know are women. Men want to protect women; it's their instinct if they are decent human beings.

That's good to know, thank you, but that has not been  my experience here.

LH66: Do women patronize gas stations and liquor stores where pornography is sold? It seems a fair analogy to merely the word porn appearing in someone's signature. You are taking quite a moral stance here, and I am not sure the rest of the world agrees with you.

It makes me very sad to think that, as a woman, I have to keep defending my objection to porn advertisements, as if I'm some sort of anomaly. Regardless, my question remains: where are the women? Why aren't they here? MIGHT it have anything to do with the issues I mentioned?

I hate to even get into this, but have women, historically, ever been into gaming in any form? That's what bitcoin is...a game where you kill blocks instead of orcs. I don't know many women who play Halo, but you can hardly claim that the game in and of itself is somehow driving women away.

Look around. The proof is in the pudding. I don't know why it is the way it is.

[LH66]

LH66, you have made several good points.  This forum is pretty troll infested.  Why do you think bitcoin.org moved us into the ghetto?

Thanks. I appreciate the tone and spirit of your post. I would like to address your assertion here:

However, I do take issue with your objection to *text* porn links in member's sigs.  Porn has ALWAYS helped new technology.  It spurred the adoption of the VHS player.  It certainly helped the internet become popular.  This article http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2002/mar/03/internetnews.observerfocus even argues it drove adoption of mobile phones.

First, I cannot believe that porn ALWAYS helps new technology. That is a very strong statement. I seriously doubt it influenced the light bulb or gasoline engine, just to name a couple things.

But in a spirit of honest inquiry I read the article you linked. I then located the actual source document used. It was an essay written in 1996 by a lawyer. He makes the general case you outline here. He has some books he referenced at the bottom of his article but I did not locate those. Here's the essay:

http://www.law.indiana.edu/fclj/pubs/v49/no1/johnson.html

Frankly I'm not going to believe what he's saying without more research into his sources. I also find it interesting that his paper was written in 1996 yet nobody else has come forth with similar research.

In my search I located an interesting thread on snopes.com about the vhs vs. betamax issue. Here is what snopes had to say:

"Porn was predominantly put into VHS format because customers were already favoring that format, for all the familiar reasons (longer tapes, non-proprietary players, etc.).

Realistically, if the formats had been runnning neck-and-neck, why would producers of video material (porn or otherwise) have eliminated half their potential market right off the bat by opting to make their products available in only one format?

- snopes"

Bitcoin is a liberating technology.  It frees us from government control.  This means a lot of things, but some of the things it means is we are free to spend it as we wish, on gambling, and donations to organizations the government would rather did not exist (wikileaks), and yes, on porn.

I agree.

Also, many bitcoin supporters lean libertarian.  I am one.  A liberal-libertarian, but libertarian none the less. Libertarians HATE to be told what to do.  We especially hate it when it's the government doing the telling.  So, we love free speech.  That means that, if we want to say what we want to say, we must tolerate it when other people say things we don't want to hear.

That doesn't mean we can't argue with them.

Lord knows I am all for toleration. But it has to be applied across the board and in both directions. Toleration applied in one direction only is not toleration. In other words, when somebody has a legitimate complaint, such as mine about the porm ad in relation to increasing btc adoption among women, shouldn't my view be tolerated? Shouldn't others tolerate it when I'm saying something they don't want to hear? (especially when it could have a very positive impact on that one thing we all believe in, btc?)

[TiagoTiago]

Just a note here, there are plenty respectable women out there that enjoy porn, and plenty prudish heterosexual males as well; you can't generalize all women feel the same way as you do just 'cause they got a vagina too, each individual woman is a separate person, not a carbon copy of a stereotype.

[Xephan]

Lord knows I am all for toleration. But it has to be applied across the board and in both directions. Toleration applied in one direction only is not toleration. In other words, when somebody has a legitimate complaint, such as mine about the porm ad in relation to increasing btc adoption among women, shouldn't my view be tolerated? Shouldn't others tolerate it when I'm saying something they don't want to hear? (especially when it could have a very positive impact on that one thing we all believe in, btc?)

The issue is that your complaint is only applicable to a subset. There's no data to prove that removing text porn links will lead to increased female participation in Bitcoin. If anything, early adopters regardless of gender, tend to be more adventurous and less likely to be bothered by something like a text link. Now if there was some animated porn gif which a person cannot help seeing once a page loads that you are objecting to, I would and I believe others too, would support your push to get those disallowed.

[elggawf]

First, I cannot believe that porn ALWAYS helps new technology. That is a very strong statement. I seriously doubt it influenced the light bulb or gasoline engine, just to name a couple things.

Fun fact: the porn industry backed HD-DVD standard, and it lost. Porn is not as powerful a force as one might believe.

The internet exploded with pornography because it was, for the end consumer, very very cheap. Have you guys ever actually priced paying for pornography offline? Maybe it was just the store I wandered into out of morbid curiosity, but some of that crap was $40+ per video. Compare that to internet, and it's easy to see why there was a flood of pornography, though I don't think that helped with adoption of the internet.

[Gabi]

First, I cannot believe that porn ALWAYS helps new technology. That is a very strong statement. I seriously doubt it influenced the light bulb or gasoline engine, just to name a couple things.

Fun fact: the porn industry backed HD-DVD standard, and it lost. Porn is not as powerful a force as one might believe.

The internet exploded with pornography because it was, for the end consumer, very very cheap. Have you guys ever actually priced paying for pornography offline? Maybe it was just the store I wandered into out of morbid curiosity, but some of that crap was $40+ per video. Compare that to internet, and it's easy to see why there was a flood of pornography, though I don't think that helped with adoption of the internet.

The internet is for porn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWEjvCRPrCo

[Phinnaeus Gage]

I don't think women are given too much shit on this thread, save one particularly drama-and-insult-filled thread. I find myself holding back from trolling down on the people I know are women. Men want to protect women; it's their instinct if they are decent human beings.

That's good to know, thank you, but that has not been  my experience here.

LH66: Do women patronize gas stations and liquor stores where pornography is sold? It seems a fair analogy to merely the word porn appearing in someone's signature. You are taking quite a moral stance here, and I am not sure the rest of the world agrees with you.

It makes me very sad to think that, as a woman, I have to keep defending my objection to porn advertisements, as if I'm some sort of anomaly. Regardless, my question remains: where are the women? Why aren't they here? MIGHT it have anything to do with the issues I mentioned?

I hate to even get into this, but have women, historically, ever been into gaming in any form? That's what bitcoin is...a game where you kill blocks instead of orcs. I don't know many women who play Halo, but you can hardly claim that the game in and of itself is somehow driving women away.

Look around. The proof is in the pudding. I don't know why it is the way it is.

This: http://venturebeat.com/2011/02/22/do-women-play-more-games-than-men/

[timmey]

In other words, when somebody has a legitimate complaint, such as mine about the porm ad in relation to increasing btc adoption among women, shouldn't my view be tolerated? Shouldn't others tolerate it when I'm saying something they don't want to hear?

Where has your opinion about porn ads in signatures not been tolerated? Some said they disagree with you but no one here insulted you or made fun of it.

First, I cannot believe that porn ALWAYS helps new technology. That is a very strong statement. I seriously doubt it influenced the light bulb or gasoline engine, just to name a couple things.

If you insist to weigh one's words than of course it hasn't helped every technology. How could it? I doubt that geek-trader meant that word-for-word. But the porn industry did help new video technologies a couple of times. Porn sites developed video on demand systems since the beginnings of broad-band internet technology, even before most TV stations put their content online. VHS was already mentioned.

Fun fact: the porn industry backed HD-DVD standard, and it lost.

Some studios like Wicked Pictures did choose HD-DVD but not the whole industry. Also, they switched to BluRay later.
The big porn studios and websites were one of the first adopters who shot "movies" in HD with newly developed professional equipment. Besides the format war, the industry knew that physical disc sales had gone down for years and that this wasn't gonna be the future of porn sales. That's why they focused on the internet. Producing HD discs wasn't profitable at that time, they just did it to show they can ;-) The early HD adoption also gave video streaming technology yet another huge push forward(in the technological part, specialized server design, protocol development.. etc). As before with SD streaming, HD porn streaming was way before HD TV series streaming for example. And before someone says "it wasn't porn alone", yes it wasn't porn alone but it had its part on pushing development forward. They experimented with the new technology and helped improving it where others just waited before they jumped on the HD train.

Just a note here, there are plenty respectable women out there that enjoy porn

#2

To attract average jane&joe to this forum, Bitcoin must become easier to use. The fact that there are so view woman on this board is (imho) just because Bitcoin is still too nerdy and it's not a secret that there are much more male nerds than female nerds on the internet. Removing my signature won't change this and won't bring more women on this board. I think the number of people who are afraid of getting scammed when doing a trade on this forum or the number of people who give up on bitcoin when they see what they have to do before they can even get/use a single coin securely, is much much higher than the number of people who are offended by my signature porn ad.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

In other words, when somebody has a legitimate complaint, such as mine about the porm ad in relation to increasing btc adoption among women, shouldn't my view be tolerated? Shouldn't others tolerate it when I'm saying something they don't want to hear?

Where has your opinion about porn ads in signatures not been tolerated? Some said they disagree with you but no one here insulted you or made fun of it.

First, I cannot believe that porn ALWAYS helps new technology. That is a very strong statement. I seriously doubt it influenced the light bulb or gasoline engine, just to name a couple things.

If you insist to weigh one's words than of course it hasn't helped every technology. How could it? I doubt that geek-trader meant that word-for-word. But the porn industry did help new video technologies a couple of times. Porn sites developed video on demand systems since the beginnings of broad-band internet technology, even before most TV stations put their content online. VHS was already mentioned.

Fun fact: the porn industry backed HD-DVD standard, and it lost.

Some studios like Wicked Pictures did choose HD-DVD but not the whole industry. Also, they switched to BluRay later.
The big porn studios and websites were one of the first adopters who shot "movies" in HD with newly developed professional equipment. Besides the format war, the industry knew that physical disc sales had gone down for years and that this wasn't gonna be the future of porn sales. That's why they focused on the internet. Producing HD discs wasn't profitable at that time, they just did it to show they can ;-) The early HD adoption also gave video streaming technology yet another huge push forward(in the technological part, specialized server design, protocol development.. etc). As before with SD streaming, HD porn streaming was way before HD TV series streaming for example. And before someone says "it wasn't porn alone", yes it wasn't porn alone but it had its part on pushing development forward. They experimented with the new technology and helped improving it where others just waited before they jumped on the HD train.

Just a note here, there are plenty respectable women out there that enjoy porn

#2

To attract average jane&joe to this forum, Bitcoin must become easier to use. The fact that there are so view woman on this board is (imho) just because Bitcoin is still too nerdy and it's not a secret that there are much more male nerds than female nerds on the internet. Removing my signature won't change this and won't bring more women on this board. I think the number of people who are afraid of getting scammed when doing a trade on this forum or the number of people who give up on bitcoin when they see what they have to do before they can even get/use a single coin securely, is much much higher than the number of people who are offended by my signature porn ad.

+1



Needs Repeating:

I think the number of people who are afraid of getting scammed when doing a trade on this forum or the number of people who give up on bitcoin when they see what they have to do before they can even get/use a single coin securely, is much much higher than the number of people who are offended by my signature porn ad.

[LH66]

Needs Repeating:

I think the number of people who are afraid of getting scammed when doing a trade on this forum or the number of people who give up on bitcoin when they see what they have to do before they can even get/use a single coin securely, is much much higher than the number of people who are offended by my signature porn ad.

I have said almost all I need to say in regards to getting women on board with btc, except just one more thing:

My comments regarding the pron ads are within the larger context of cleaning up the forums. I acknowledge that removing a single text ad won't change anything about women's participation here.

I do think people understand my views and are willing to acknowledge that they may have some validity. Thank you all for adding to the discussion.

[the founder]

Want to get more women here?   It's simple....  make bitcoins useful.    

There was a study a few years back that had admittedly a sexist twist.  It stated that "generally speaking"  men adopt technology because it's new and has potential to do something.  Women adopt technology if it makes their lives easier.

Applied to bitcoins it means men adopt it because it offers a potential to be disruptive in the marketplace,  women adopt it if they can buy things that they normally buy EASILY , safely and securely.

with Easily being the keyword....   it doesn't mean understanding "next block wait"  or "why do I have to use 2 companies such as dowalla to buy from mt.gox"  or "why can't I access by coins from my cell phone if they are sent to my home computer"  or "why do I have to send to huge addresses instead of just the company name"  

For us it's natural because we are watching this thing grow... for them (IE: people adopting them now)...  it's a 2000 step process to buy coins and sell them or worse spend them.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Every industry has sought ways to attract women, and will continue to so.





It can easily be stated that this is porn because of the ketchup bottle's position and shape.

[Karmicads]

How do we get on board the women you ask?

Good question. The porn vids always make their willing cooperation seem even more like a forgone conclusion, than circumcision at a bar mitzvah.  

OH! WAIT...  Sorry... My mistake. You said "...get the women on board", not "get on board the women".  

Well if we solve the one I was working on first, then we'd have five minutes of obligatory cuddling afterwards to slip the bitcoin sales pitch in. I can see it now... [he puffs on a smoke and brushes her fringe aside] "That was fantastic honey. Almost as breathtaking as the first block I solved with my first bitcoin rig. Soooo... Did the whole blockchain move for you too?" The analogy might seem contrived unless you are older and have lived through a few 'difficulty increases'. Noting also that in the early days you could get lots of it all by yourself, but after a while it became easier in groups, with others who all share what they get. Nobody minds if everybody gets a bit. So you might say to your cuddly prospect: "Oh! You never heard of bitcoin then? You should meet my buddies then we get together and do it in a pool. "

So. Have I got this right then? You want the women folk to collectively understand that this bitcoin thingie is something you can use just like money? Like... Hey look honey!! You can BUY lots of stuff with this, like new curtains and figurines, decorative soaps that nobody is allowed to use and... Hey WAIT!! Let me just go top up my holdings in Yale Locks. I can almost hear the stampede of attached (to a female partner) guys, rushing out to buy big locks for the doors to their mining rigs. OK! Of course I'm just kidding. Whatever helps bitcoin to become more popular and attractive is all good.

Somehow I suspect that the girls will all catch on soon enough. They generally do seem to love plastic cards, as convenient payment methods go hand in hand with that genders nearly universal hobby - shopping. I Hope that doesn't seem too sexist, but women are generally somewhat different creatures to us men folk. The things that make bitcoin so wonderful IMHO are the qualities that some have mentioned above re: the technical aspects and the libertarian values bitcoin entails. They may not be the most typical qualities that the feminine sector find appealing, but that's something we have to accept for now. Those who like bitcoin just for what it really is, are not required to have any particular kind of genital apparatus or gender identity, so bitcoin is already in principal gender agnostic.

Bitcoin (and probably for the better) isn't required to answer the demands of any arbitrary demographic segment. Say you do some research and find for instance, that gardeners are also a sector that are particularly poorly predisposed to perceiving value in and adopting bitcoin. If you try to please everybody, it probably wouldn't still be our beloved bitcoin. There may be ways to generate some psychological appeal to stimulate interest, but that would seem more likely to be all so much superficial window dressing. Smothering bitcoin in the trappings of superficial glam and glitz, to deploy a campaign of coercive appeal or spin-doctoring, seeped in obsequious self-conscious approval seeking, seems very prone to the proverbial 'making a rod for our own back'. If somebody needs an ulterior motive to appreciate the significance of what bitcoin is and why it matters, then they are surely encumbered with a far more significant type of inequity. They may be seen as, far more wanting for a little education, than anything bitcoin itself lacks as it stands.

The shortfall in understanding and awareness of bitcoins strengths, leads by some orders of magnitude in the importance stakes, especially as compared to any subjective appeal factor. It's also more pressing for all who are on board as we move closer to opposing political/commercial pressures, if they are to stand up and be counted for the right reasons. In a sense I don't really even see this as a gender specific issue. We might just as well be concerned if gardeners were being left behind. People who just happen to posses vagina's, are an arbitrary demographic subset and if they happen to feel disadvantaged by some unjust  barrier to adoption, they have every right to make a stand. But if they are granted the same opportunity to participate yet still decline for simple lack of interest, then it's not actually an issue at all. It's just horses for courses.

We shouldn't need to behave like insecure adolescents, trying to pluck up courage to ask girls if they will go with us to the prom.
We have to accept that the human race consists of two rather different creatures. (Actually it's three, if you count the largely androgynous pre-pubescent, larval stage they called babies.) Women typically have a far more instinctive urge, to nurture and care for those little bundles of indiscriminate poo delivering, rancorously squawking, dribbling, vomiting, sex life wrecking, sleep depriving, bundles of joy.
I truly doubt that women by comparison, would often (if ever) feel similarly compelled, when gathered for coffee and a chat, at any typical suburban mothers club, to plan and implement a way to make babies seem more appealing to us men folk. Imagine the earnest discourse: "Guys are just being left behind when it comes to clucking and swooning over strangers babies in shopping malls. How can we get them to carry 'brag books' and yearn to cuddle other parents babies?" Do you think they might be compelled by male appeal oriented modifications to babies, so they might be more appealing to guys? Are there any women out there perhaps, conspiring to develop bionic interfaces so babies can be implanted with a power down mode, or perhaps a programmable bowel evacuation EPROM. NO. I doubt it's even a blip on their radar. Needless to say, installing a stubby holder while the little squawker still has a soft spot, would be right out of the question.  

I do honestly and optimistically hope, that bitcoin does go mainstream, but before then I hope the average consumer learns more about the spiraling debt related debasement and unethical political liabilities of fiat currency. Understanding (even basically) WHY we need to adopt a better system, is something I consider to be a vital part of the transition, as there also needs to be much more consumer resistance and accountability brought to bare on the corporate sector. Bitcoin has the power to usurp the financial power bases and give bargaining power the citizenry. We need to take great care, in trying not to merely replicate the voracious unsustainable consumerism with our digital currency, while simply giving control of bitcoin back to the corporate tyrants. Perhaps the more prudent approach is to dig in for the long haul, by investing in and making sound commitments to education of the wider community. It may be too much to expect the typical female of our species to be quite as fascinated by geeky technical 'guy stuff' on average, but I really don't see the basic economic principals or libertarian values endemic to bitcoin, as particularly gender biased concepts. Women folk seem to me at least our equals and then some, when it comes to the social sciences and humanities. They also seem at least as enthusiastic and tenacious when they have actually embraced a social movement for the better. Let's have them on board for all the right reasons That's what I really hope for.

Another approach to gaining female bitcoiners, that seems promising, might be to find a good surgeon who will accept payment in bitcoin and instead of trying to turn women into geeks, sponsor a sex change program, to turn geeks into women. At least then the pale, underdeveloped, basement dwelling, male misfit, who may have all but resigned to a life of reluctant, involuntary celibacy, could look forward to possibly being a subject of genuine carnal desire. If the tide turns that way, our little bitcoin brandishing 'she geek', may even be quite brainy and sexy all at once. Even better yet, she will still be quite unable to encumber her partner, with the misfortune of some unwelcome, co-habitation imposition, with any of those larval proto-human progeny. Come to think of it, for a girl such as this, who might roll her own device drivers, compile a modified Linux kernel, laugh at my very un-PC dirty jokes, come back with her own, but yet still turn heads in a miniskirt... well... I might be tempted to donate enough for the silicon implants. SO! Who's first for the cut 'n' tuck?

[Karmicads]

How do we get the women on board?

Maybe we should get out from behind the computer and talk to a few... I haven't said two words to my wife since I heard about bitcoin a couple months ago...

Sorry TS.  I just couldn't help imagining a guy finally emerging from his lair after two months and uttering just two words:

"BIT COIN"

[Phinnaeus Gage]

How do we get the women on board?

Maybe we should get out from behind the computer and talk to a few... I haven't said two words to my wife since I heard about bitcoin a couple months ago...

Sorry TS.  I just couldn't help imagining a guy finally emerging from his lair after two months and uttering just two words:

"BIT COIN"

I liked the post so much, I listed it on Craigslist: http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/zip/2552744703.html

Better hurry before they take it down.


[edit] Boy, that sucks! First time ever I was flagged on Craigslist. Your posting has been flagged for removal. At least I saw it coming.

[Karmicads]

Oh, I thought you had a 6990 based on your shirt. I guess you were just teasing us. 

hah yeah I wish I had a 6990 or two. 

At this point I've lost all interest in the 90 bit. I'd just be all over the idea of going halves in a tenth of what's left. You're the hot little geek girl, so you do the math. 

Mousepotato = HOTpotato Shssssssss Ooow!! DAMN girl. I vote that you be declared the Princes and poster girl for the whole bitcoin universe. Hope you like being folded in half and stapled in the belly.

HEY!! If you want a Vcard to blitz the blockchain, why not send a few pickyies to a video card manufacturing company tell them you are writing a review for one of the geekyest gaming or admin/network mags with a story about your bitcoin mining experience. Send your story and pics, to to show what a geek you are deep down inside and if they could lend you a sample of their highest power card you'll do photo shoot to offer them for advertising use. You negotiate it so that if they like the photos, you get to keep the card, otherwise they are not available. (There's not much risk at this point, since the've already seen your ordinary sample shots) So off you go to a studio to have a nice little professional photo shoot, being as cheeky and provocative as you dare. Get the Video card and box into the act. The raunchier the shots are the better but for a (G) rated mag you wont have to be too naughty.(Just send any out-takes they say are are too saucy to me ) and if you bring their card to life in a glossy tech mag, I think they would totally throw some cards your way.

Their card will be showcased so well, they'll be able to actually feel the heat of the whole internet rise as you are being rendered with them. You write to the computer/admin/gaming mag now, sending them your Classy new portfolio shots and the bitcoin story, asking if they want a good review of the card. The geek boys will be reviewing more than the video card and the mag may have to print the pages on something edible, but, if the v/card company or the magazine don't want more pics/ads/reviews or geeky girl story writting, then they are either blind, retarded, asexual, or the world has ended in nuclear holocaust.

The shirt is Kooool, though it seems a bit too big. Needs trimming just below the armpits. But DAMN that see-through-garment, invisibility rendering, browser extension comes in handy.

[Mageant]

Make the client nicer-looking (customizable colors/skins?) and easier to use.

How about playing a nice tune or a nice message when you get money? I think that would be very fun, sort of like "You got mail." from AOL times but instead something like "You got money - kaching!" - customizable of course. That would be a nice thing to hear when you start up your computer.

Instead of just plain addresses how about names (and a picture?).

Here's an idea!
Would it maybe be possible to add a message with a Bitcoin transfer?
Sort of like "Hey friend, here are the 2 BTC back that I owe you. Greetz". Maybe the client could send out an email?

The idea is to make it a lot more sociable.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Make the client nicer-looking (customizable colors/skins?) and easier to use.

How about playing a nice tune or a nice message when you get money? I think that would be very fun, sort of like "You got mail." from AOL times but instead something like "You got money - kaching!" - customizable of course. That would be a nice thing to hear when you start up your computer.

Instead of just plain addresses how about names (and a picture?).

Here's an idea!
Would it maybe be possible to add a message with a Bitcoin transfer?
Sort of like "Hey friend, here are the 2 BTC back that I owe you. Greetz". Maybe the client could send out an email?

The idea is to make it a lot more sociable.

Bitcoin: Created by "The Man" ~ For ALL Women

Flickering candles on the client and Bitcoin home page as well as on the top of this forum.
Kitaro's Light of the Spirit plays on every Bitcoin related page. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E1-BDMRSVc


New coin design:





And have Bitcoin distributed like this:

[Mousepotato]

hah yeah I wish I had a 6990 or two. 

At this point I've lost all interest in the 90 bit. I'd just be all over the idea of going halves in a tenth of what's left. You're the hot little geek girl, so you do the math. 

I was never really good at math, but it almost sounds like you're trying to flirt with me.  BRB looking for a calculator...

Mousepotato = HOTpotato Shssssssss Ooow!! DAMN girl. I vote that you be declared the Princes and poster girl for the whole bitcoin universe. Hope you like being folded in half and stapled in the belly.

HEY!! If you want a Vcard to blitz the blockchain, why not send a few pickyies to a video card manufacturing company tell them you are writing a review for one of the geekyest gaming or admin/network mags with a story about your bitcoin mining experience. Send your story and pics, to to show what a geek you are deep down inside and if they could lend you a sample of their highest power card you'll do photo shoot to offer them for advertising use. You negotiate it so that if they like the photos, you get to keep the card, otherwise they are not available. (There's not much risk at this point, since the've already seen your ordinary sample shots) So off you go to a studio to have a nice little professional photo shoot, being as cheeky and provocative as you dare. Get the Video card and box into the act. The raunchier the shots are the better but for a (G) rated mag you wont have to be too naughty.(Just send any out-takes they say are are too saucy to me ) and if you bring their card to life in a glossy tech mag, I think they would totally throw some cards your way.

Their card will be showcased so well, they'll be able to actually feel the heat of the whole internet rise as you are being rendered with them. You write to the computer/admin/gaming mag now, sending them your Classy new portfolio shots and the bitcoin story, asking if they want a good review of the card. The geek boys will be reviewing more than the video card and the mag may have to print the pages on something edible, but, if the v/card company or the magazine don't want more pics/ads/reviews or geeky girl story writting, then they are either blind, retarded, asexual, or the world has ended in nuclear holocaust.

Yeahhh I doubt any vendor is going to toss me some gear for flashing the camera.  If it were that easy though, I might consider it

The shirt is Kooool, though it seems a bit too big. Needs trimming just below the armpits. But DAMN that see-through-garment, invisibility rendering, browser extension comes in handy.

Gabriel Beal sent me the shirts and I sent him some feedback on them.  The material is heavy cotton (I don't think an Xray plugin would work very well), and while they're very high quality, I like my shirts a lot thinner and maybe in a Baby-T form factor.  And I did cut off one of the shirts into a halter-top, but I haven't taken any pics in it yet.  I'll post them here when I can get a photog to come out and shoot me.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

hah yeah I wish I had a 6990 or two.  

At this point I've lost all interest in the 90 bit. I'd just be all over the idea of going halves in a tenth of what's left. You're the hot little geek girl, so you do the math.  

I was never really good at math, but it almost sounds like you're trying to flirt with me.  BRB looking for a calculator...

Mousepotato = HOTpotato Shssssssss Ooow!! DAMN girl. I vote that you be declared the Princes and poster girl for the whole bitcoin universe. Hope you like being folded in half and stapled in the belly.

HEY!! If you want a Vcard to blitz the blockchain, why not send a few pickyies to a video card manufacturing company tell them you are writing a review for one of the geekyest gaming or admin/network mags with a story about your bitcoin mining experience. Send your story and pics, to to show what a geek you are deep down inside and if they could lend you a sample of their highest power card you'll do photo shoot to offer them for advertising use. You negotiate it so that if they like the photos, you get to keep the card, otherwise they are not available. (There's not much risk at this point, since the've already seen your ordinary sample shots) So off you go to a studio to have a nice little professional photo shoot, being as cheeky and provocative as you dare. Get the Video card and box into the act. The raunchier the shots are the better but for a (G) rated mag you wont have to be too naughty.(Just send any out-takes they say are are too saucy to me ) and if you bring their card to life in a glossy tech mag, I think they would totally throw some cards your way.

Their card will be showcased so well, they'll be able to actually feel the heat of the whole internet rise as you are being rendered with them. You write to the computer/admin/gaming mag now, sending them your Classy new portfolio shots and the bitcoin story, asking if they want a good review of the card. The geek boys will be reviewing more than the video card and the mag may have to print the pages on something edible, but, if the v/card company or the magazine don't want more pics/ads/reviews or geeky girl story writting, then they are either blind, retarded, asexual, or the world has ended in nuclear holocaust.

Yeahhh I doubt any vendor is going to toss me some gear for flashing the camera.  If it were that easy though, I might consider it

The shirt is Kooool, though it seems a bit too big. Needs trimming just below the armpits. But DAMN that see-through-garment, invisibility rendering, browser extension comes in handy.

Gabriel Beal sent me the shirts and I sent him some feedback on them.  The material is heavy cotton (I don't think an Xray plugin would work very well), and while they're very high quality, I like my shirts a lot thinner and maybe in a Baby-T form factor.  And I did cut off one of the shirts into a halter-top, but I haven't taken any pics in it yet.  I'll post them here when I can get a photog to come out and shoot me.

I sure the hell hope this doesn't come across the wrong way, but I just came up with this brainfart and wanted to share it with you, Mousepotato. How would you like to bake, then show the image on this forum, the first Bitcoin Cake? For inspiration, I supplied the image below: http://blog.kendall-press.com/2011/07/press-release-kendall-press-delivers.html. Please, again, do not take this the wrong way. Sincerely, Bruno (my real name).

[Mousepotato]

I sure the hell hope this doesn't come across the wrong way, but I just came up with this brainfart and wanted to share it with you, Mousepotato. How would you like to bake, then show the image on this forum, the first Bitcoin Cake? For inspiration, I supplied the image below: http://blog.kendall-press.com/2011/07/press-release-kendall-press-delivers.html. Please, again, do not take this the wrong way. Sincerely, Bruno (my real name).

Hi Bruno,

As bad as I am with math, I'm even worse at baking- probably because it involves math to some extent.  I made my brother Funfetti cake for his birthday and it came out more like a brownie than a cake.  I'm not even sure what I did wrong since I thought I had followed the instructions on the box perfectly.  But in all fairness, out of all the cakes I've ever baked, this one came out the cakiest

[KeyserSoze]

To get women on board we only need to remind them that during divorce they take half.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

To get women on board we only need to remind them that during divorce they take half.

Or remind them that if they're the main provided of the partnership, and foresee the relationship ending soon, where to put their money.

Link for Thought: http://www.smartmoney.com/spend/family-money/the-five-mistakes-married-women-make-18078/

[RandyFolds]

I sure the hell hope this doesn't come across the wrong way, but I just came up with this brainfart and wanted to share it with you, Mousepotato. How would you like to bake, then show the image on this forum, the first Bitcoin Cake? For inspiration, I supplied the image below: http://blog.kendall-press.com/2011/07/press-release-kendall-press-delivers.html. Please, again, do not take this the wrong way. Sincerely, Bruno (my real name).

Hi Bruno,

As bad as I am with math, I'm even worse at baking- probably because it involves math to some extent.  I made my brother Funfetti cake for his birthday and it came out more like a brownie than a cake.  I'm not even sure what I did wrong since I thought I had followed the instructions on the box perfectly.  But in all fairness, out of all the cakes I've ever baked, this one came out the cakiest

I am starting to doubt that you are even a woman...

It makes me mad that I can cook every girl I have ever dated under the fucking table. I am not saying women belong in the kitchen, but neither am I saying that they belong completely OUT of the kitchen. I am not sure why women think it is now ok to be completely incompetent concerning cooking and cleaning, particularly if you don't make enough to pay someone to do it for you.

[RandyFolds]

At this point I've lost all interest in the 90 bit. I'd just be all over the idea of going halves in a tenth of what's left. You're the hot little geek girl, so you do the math. 

Dude...pure fucking gold.

[Mousepotato]

I am starting to doubt that you are even a woman...

It makes me mad that I can cook every girl I have ever dated under the fucking table. I am not saying women belong in the kitchen, but neither am I saying that they belong completely OUT of the kitchen. I am not sure why women think it is now ok to be completely incompetent concerning cooking and cleaning, particularly if you don't make enough to pay someone to do it for you.

I said baking, not cooking in general.  I love cooking, but I'm no pro at it.  Most everything I know I've learned from Alton Brown's shows.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

I am starting to doubt that you are even a woman...

It makes me mad that I can cook every girl I have ever dated under the fucking table. I am not saying women belong in the kitchen, but neither am I saying that they belong completely OUT of the kitchen. I am not sure why women think it is now ok to be completely incompetent concerning cooking and cleaning, particularly if you don't make enough to pay someone to do it for you.

I said baking, not cooking in general.  I love cooking, but I'm no pro at it.  Most everything I know I've learned from Alton Brown's shows.

Allow me to clarify this issue: Women Cook ~ Girls Bake ~ Men BBQ ~ Boys Eat

[Mousepotato]

Allow me to clarify this issue: Women Cook ~ Girls Bake ~ Men BBQ ~ Boys Eat

Yah well, I'm not really into a lot of typical girl stuff

[RandyFolds]

I am starting to doubt that you are even a woman...

It makes me mad that I can cook every girl I have ever dated under the fucking table. I am not saying women belong in the kitchen, but neither am I saying that they belong completely OUT of the kitchen. I am not sure why women think it is now ok to be completely incompetent concerning cooking and cleaning, particularly if you don't make enough to pay someone to do it for you.

I said baking, not cooking in general.  I love cooking, but I'm no pro at it.  Most everything I know I've learned from Alton Brown's shows.

Fair enough. Baking isn't all that important, but it is the most delicious. I have been making a bunch of baklava lately. It's so much work, but when you bust it out at a gathering, it impresses the skirts. Next up is medicated baklava. I have held off because it will be super hard to control dosage because it takes a friggin' pound of butter and I don't want people having panic attacks.

I learned how to cook and bake watching my mom. It is kind of sad, our generation is fucked. They'll be eating McDonald's till the day they die because they don't know how to feed themselves. My original point still stands; women (and men, for that matter) should go to greater lengths to learn how to cook, though I am not too sure about Alton. All I can say is Sakai Sakai Sakai!!!! Iron Chef Japan is the place to learn.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

I am starting to doubt that you are even a woman...

It makes me mad that I can cook every girl I have ever dated under the fucking table. I am not saying women belong in the kitchen, but neither am I saying that they belong completely OUT of the kitchen. I am not sure why women think it is now ok to be completely incompetent concerning cooking and cleaning, particularly if you don't make enough to pay someone to do it for you.

I said baking, not cooking in general.  I love cooking, but I'm no pro at it.  Most everything I know I've learned from Alton Brown's shows.

Fair enough. Baking isn't all that important, but it is the most delicious. I have been making a bunch of baklava lately. It's so much work, but when you bust it out at a gathering, it impresses the skirts. Next up is medicated baklava. I have held off because it will be super hard to control dosage because it takes a friggin' pound of butter and I don't want people having panic attacks.

I learned how to cook and bake watching my mom. It is kind of sad, our generation is fucked. They'll be eating McDonald's till the day they die because they don't know how to feed themselves. My original point still stands; women (and men, for that matter) should go to greater lengths to learn how to cook, though I am not too sure about Alton. All I can say is Sakai Sakai Sakai!!!! Iron Chef Japan is the place to learn.

My ex-wife was Greek, so I know how labor intense it is to make baklava. But not as labor intense as making kugelis of which I learned to make from my grandmother.

[RandyFolds]

I am starting to doubt that you are even a woman...

It makes me mad that I can cook every girl I have ever dated under the fucking table. I am not saying women belong in the kitchen, but neither am I saying that they belong completely OUT of the kitchen. I am not sure why women think it is now ok to be completely incompetent concerning cooking and cleaning, particularly if you don't make enough to pay someone to do it for you.

I said baking, not cooking in general.  I love cooking, but I'm no pro at it.  Most everything I know I've learned from Alton Brown's shows.

Fair enough. Baking isn't all that important, but it is the most delicious. I have been making a bunch of baklava lately. It's so much work, but when you bust it out at a gathering, it impresses the skirts. Next up is medicated baklava. I have held off because it will be super hard to control dosage because it takes a friggin' pound of butter and I don't want people having panic attacks.

I learned how to cook and bake watching my mom. It is kind of sad, our generation is fucked. They'll be eating McDonald's till the day they die because they don't know how to feed themselves. My original point still stands; women (and men, for that matter) should go to greater lengths to learn how to cook, though I am not too sure about Alton. All I can say is Sakai Sakai Sakai!!!! Iron Chef Japan is the place to learn.

My ex-wife was Greek, so I know how labor intense it is to make baklava. But not as labor intense as making kugelis of which I learned to make from my grandmother.

I have never had it, but wikipedia makes it sound fucking delicious...

Kugelis (also bulvių plokštainis, the lexically correct non-foreign name, literally "flat potato dish" or banda - a dialecticism frequent especially in Dzūkija region) is a baked potato pudding that is a Lithuanian national dish. The main ingredients are potatoes, bacon, milk, onions, and eggs. It may be spiced with salt, black pepper, bay leaves, and/or marjoram. It is usually eaten with apple sauce, lingonberry preserve, sour cream, or crumbled fried fat—from white bacon (spirgai) or pork.[1]

Similar dishes are the German kugel and Belarusian potato babka.[1]

I want some sauerkraut.

[Karmicads]

At this point I've lost all interest in the 90 bit. I'd just be all over the idea of going halves in a tenth of what's left. You're the hot little geek girl, so you do the math. 

I was never really good at math, but it almost sounds like you're trying to flirt with me.  BRB looking for a calculator...

Well try one from English class instead: So, I'm planning on getting filthy rich you see.
Now I'm still not sure how I'll get rich, but as soon as I saw your photo I knew how I could get the first part. 

Yeahhh I doubt any vendor is going to toss me some gear for flashing the camera. 

HUH? If you flash a camera I'm sure I'd have to toss my gear.

You need an agent Mouse. 

If it were that easy though, I might consider it

Think bout it... bitcoin will be huge IMHO + Mouse = Hottest little bitcoiner in universe + duz geek stuff + wait... still makin stuff up... BRB.

Aaaah... that's better. Now where was I ? Oh yeah, somebody needs to be the first to wear a bitcoin bikini at some big event and do lots of hot gurl promo type stuff... and go on the bitcoin show... model and promo all these new gurli gurl retail lines. Why not get amongst it? You'd be perfickt . Ya workin ATM or what?

The material is heavy cotton (I don't think an Xray plugin would work very well), and while they're very high quality, I like my shirts a lot thinner and maybe in a Baby-T form factor. 

Musta been my imagination then. Thin is good. Thin like body paint. 

And I did cut off one of the shirts into a halter-top, but I haven't taken any pics in it yet.  I'll post them here when I can get a photog to come out and shoot me.

There must be a bitcoin photog around some place but where and HM? I think shooting is a bit harsh. I'd let you off with a good spanking.

PM if you need help. 

[Karmicads]

How do you differentiate between sexy and slutty? 

Sexy is what you do with a feather. slutty is when you use the whole chicken.   

[Karmicads]

It makes me mad that I can cook every girl I have ever dated under the fucking table.

Clever. You keep a little grill down there I take it? At least that way if anybody walks in, you don't get caught. Cooking her on the stove top.  Ever tried eating them raw?

[kjj]

hah yeah I wish I had a 6990 or two. 

At this point I've lost all interest in the 90 bit. I'd just be all over the idea of going halves in a tenth of what's left. You're the hot little geek girl, so you do the math. 

I was never really good at math, but it almost sounds like you're trying to flirt with me.  BRB looking for a calculator...

Don't worry, I think he needs a calculator too.  That is, unless he really does want to 690 you.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

How do you differentiate between sexy and slutty? 

Sexy is what you do with a feather. slutty is when you use the whole chicken.   

Sexy is talking dirty about Bitcoin while the other is using the whole bitsquirrel.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Finally, I've come up with a solution on how to get the women on board.

Start with the premise that women listen to other women. Once women our shown the beauty of Bitcoin by another woman, the race for women to join the Bitcoin movement will be on. It'll just take one woman, with a blackboard to easily show other women how easy Bitcoin is to use.





Ah! The Quadratic Equation. How poetic!


And if the woman is teaching the old school way:





I sure do like her curves!

[Mousepotato]

And if the woman is teaching the old school way:





I sure do like her curves!

You can tell she totally takes it to the limit in bed

[Phinnaeus Gage]

And if the woman is teaching the old school way:





I sure do like her curves!

You can tell she totally takes it to the limit in bed

It's not so much how wild she is in bed, as it is trying to hang on to her elliptic curves while modulating.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Allow me to link to the most recent post of this informative thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=73666.msg828398#msg828398

That's how!

~Bruno~

[kokojie]

Why is there an "other" choice, and who are the 16 people voted it? are you neither a man nor a woman?

[pretendo]

lol @ "other"

[Herodes]

I like where your heads at, but I honestly think all you wrote are plus's once females are using bitcoin, but won't get them started.

We need a site, or company to encourage or somehow require females to use bitcoin. Once that happens, all the rest will be in place for it to rock and roll.

Females would love to use their Iphone to buy their Espresso at Starbucks with bitcoins, no small changes to keep in the pocket, and no card to drag. Imagine, just going in. Sitting down at the table, then order directly from the table through the Iphone app, and having the cofee delivered to your table in 5 mins.

[davidspitzer]

This entire thread is why there are not more woman involved with Bitcoin

[julz]

Why is there an "other" choice, and who are the 16 people voted it? are you neither a man nor a woman?

lol @ "other"

The only funny thing I see about the 'other' vote is that intuitively, the number in the above poll seems a bit high. Perhaps here it includes people trolling, or who just didn't want to vote either way.
In general there are a number of people who don't identify as male or female - or who may self-identify as one gender even though the law in their jurisdiction regards them as a different gender.
Some jurisdictions allow gender to be recorded as 'indeterminate' or equivalent wording.

[meebs]

men are... on average.. more technologically savvy.. bitcoin is currently an EXTREMELY technologically advanced system. Until the day comes that one can EASILY just use an online wallet and not even have to know or think about what an address, private key or any other of that non-user friendly garbage is.. bitcoin will remain a niche product geared towards those who can deal with its difficult usage

[claire]

You have to have services that women buy to generate interest. Also, the high tech world is still a guy thing even though many women work in it. Are there a lot of jobs that pay in bitcoin?

And one more important point, it is harder to get women to spend money in an economy they don't know anything about. Basic psychology proves that a woman needs to feel secure and bitcoin can sometimes seem a little shady--not that it is. I commented on a thread earlier where the women didn't put up pictures on a site and I believe it is a) because the guys will see the pictures before they pay and most won't send tributes and b) how can we tell if the person on the other side is legit or of age with bitcoin? Both are related to security.

Women also like more structure than men. They are more likely to fall for more totalitarian and centralized systems which is why there are far many more women who are democrats.

I'm the exception

[Aseras]

One should never admit to being a woman on the internets.

[mjsbuddha]

I always love these sorts of questions. You get women into bitcoin the same way you get women into ceo jobs and men into pinterest accounts. YOU DON'T! Not because they aren't capable but because they aren't interested in that sort of thing.

[n8rwJeTt8TrrLKPa55eU]

Saw this study today, seems relevant to this thread:

[Akka]

The sex of 20 of the people in the poll is other. lol

Wait, bitcoin has only 1% more women than hermaphrodites?

About 1,7% of humans are born hermaphrodites, we have over 5%.
Why is bitcoin so interesting for this gender?

[Blazr]

The sex of 20 of the people in the poll is other. lol

Wait, bitcoin has only 1% more women than hermaphrodites?

About 1,7% of humans are born hermaphrodites, we have over 5%.
Why is bitcoin so interesting for this gender?

Other includes trans-gendered people, not just hermaphrodites.

[Akka]

The sex of 20 of the people in the poll is other. lol

Wait, bitcoin has only 1% more women than hermaphrodites?

About 1,7% of humans are born hermaphrodites, we have over 5%.
Why is bitcoin so interesting for this gender?

Other includes trans-gendered people, not just hermaphrodites.

Ok, that explains this. That means we are on average on other and have only very few women?

Edit: Aren't trans-gendered people changing themselves to a specific sex and would at least consider themselves as male or female?

I don't thing transgeder people would speak of themself as neither male or female.

[Blazr]

I don't thing transgeder people would speak of themself as neither male or female.

They might consider themselves to be both male and female, or change regularly (male by day, female by night etc etc).

Anyways, we can see from this poll that not enough women are using Bitcoin. A shoe-shop accepting payment in Bitcoin would help.

[Akka]

To be realistic, the few women in here is only a symptom of where bitcoin is operating.

There are still about 90% Geeks here. (Which I count myself to)

It would be interesting how many % of the people here are not working in some kind of IT-Field, or study something IT related.

I think it's still less than 25%.

[Topazan]

To be realistic, the few women in here is only a symptom of where bitcoin is operating.

There are still about 90% Geeks here. (Which I count myself to)

It would be interesting how many % of the people here are not working in some kind of IT-Field, or study something IT related.

I think it's still less than 25%.

I think that's the main thing.  Bitcoin does well with two groups: technologists and libertarians.

Women are under-represented in both of these groups.  Figuring out why and what to do about it is probably beyond the scope of this forum.

Thus, I think we can expect the gender gap to shrink if-and-when bitcoin goes more mainstream.

[Vod]

About 1,7% of humans are born hermaphrodites, we have over 5%.
Why is bitcoin so interesting for this gender?

Nice made up number.

0.033% to 0.05%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersexuality

[bg002h]

wow...we have about as many "others" as women...i'm betting 90% of those have a Y chromosome...

[Topazan]

To be realistic, the few women in here is only a symptom of where bitcoin is operating.

There are still about 90% Geeks here. (Which I count myself to)

It would be interesting how many % of the people here are not working in some kind of IT-Field, or study something IT related.

I think it's still less than 25%.

I think that's the main thing.  Bitcoin does well with two groups: technologists and libertarians.

Women are under-represented in both of these groups.  Figuring out why and what to do about it is probably beyond the scope of this forum.

Thus, I think we can expect the gender gap to shrink if-and-when bitcoin goes more mainstream.

Couldn’t it be as simple as surveying women about what they want and providing it? Maybe it is as simple as shoes or makeup or maybe it’s something we would never think of but can be easily provided.

What would happen if you surveyed random men about what they wanted?  Most men aren't technologists, libertarians, or bitcoiners.

In order to get useful results, you'd have to find the women who would be one of these save for one thing, and that would imply you already know what that thing is.

Still, worth considering.  Might be nice to see a study about women where the author hasn't already made up her mind to blame the men for a change.

[Vod]

The sex of 20 of the people in the poll is other. lol

Wait, bitcoin has only 1% more women than hermaphrodites?

About 1,7% of humans are born hermaphrodites, we have over 5%.
Why is bitcoin so interesting for this gender?

Other includes trans-gendered people, not just hermaphrodites.

"Other" also includes people who are just fucking with the poll.   

[bg002h]

The sex of 20 of the people in the poll is other. lol

Wait, bitcoin has only 1% more women than hermaphrodites?

About 1,7% of humans are born hermaphrodites, we have over 5%.
Why is bitcoin so interesting for this gender?

Other includes trans-gendered people, not just hermaphrodites.

"Other" also includes people who are just fucking with the poll.   

and those messing with the poll are almost certainly guys...

[claire]

I liked the shoe shop idea. Handbags, cosmetics, etc would interest me although I'm also into technology and borderline Libertarian. You should have a whole group of women on board since one company pays their contractors who are mostly women in bitcoin. Again, I think it's the trust factor. Most women want to feel secure. Non-centralized money does not make them feel secure. There is a vicious rumor going around that people in bitcoin use the service for illegal things and this scares many of them. I've seen them mention it on twitter and why they won't take their pay with bitcoin.

[Akka]

About 1,7% of humans are born hermaphrodites, we have over 5%.
Why is bitcoin so interesting for this gender?

Nice made up number.

0.033% to 0.05%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersexuality

From the wiki article you linked to:

According to Fausto-Sterling's definition of intersex,[79] on the other hand, 1.7 percent of human births are intersex

Reading you own references helps.

[Frequency]

I liked the shoe shop idea. Handbags, cosmetics, etc would interest me although I'm also into technology and borderline Libertarian. You should have a whole group of women on board since one company pays their contractors who are mostly women in bitcoin. Again, I think it's the trust factor. Most women want to feel secure. Non-centralized money does not make them feel secure. There is a vicious rumor going around that people in bitcoin use the service for illegal things and this scares many of them. I've seen them mention it on twitter and why they won't take their pay with bitcoin.

+++1   you could start SR women edition "high heels" put some sixpack guys for rent 

[Topazan]

I liked the shoe shop idea. Handbags, cosmetics, etc would interest me although I'm also into technology and borderline Libertarian. You should have a whole group of women on board since one company pays their contractors who are mostly women in bitcoin. Again, I think it's the trust factor. Most women want to feel secure. Non-centralized money does not make them feel secure. There is a vicious rumor going around that people in bitcoin use the service for illegal things and this scares many of them. I've seen them mention it on twitter and why they won't take their pay with bitcoin.

+++1   you could start SR women edition "high heels" put some sixpack guys for rent 

I'm not sure if new retailers will attract new bitcoiners, unless those retailers can offer something that the traditional retailers ones can't, the way SR does.

[herzmeister]

Saw this study today, seems relevant to this thread:

Also relevant to this thread: Women and free market  

[Spekulatius]

Oh, oh! I got one 

http://www.kleiderkreisel.de/

Every community we could convince to use bitcoin will bring in lots of women, especially if it is one that has a large female user base like "kleiderkreisel.de" (yeah sorry, its a German example, but Im sure there is something like that in every country).

kleiderkreisel is a community where users (mainly women) can present and sell their very own textile creations or second hand articles.
It is pretty well known and popular among my peers (co eds) and I believe bitcoin would work well with it (I think they have an in-house web of trust system) because all advantages of bitcoin as a payment system apply.

[muyuu]

Saw this study today, seems relevant to this thread:

Any more information about this study?

[Akka]

Saw this study today, seems relevant to this thread:

Any more information about this study?

When look at the outcome, I fear that's the kind of study where the result is already fixed and the questions are asked in the way to archive that goal.

[HDSolar]

Bitcoins for shoes, 

[crazy_rabbit]

I think the lack of women is only due to the predominance of early technology IT adopters which are generally heavily skewed towards being male. As bitcoin spreads in popularity women will naturally join.

[n8rwJeTt8TrrLKPa55eU]

Saw this study today, seems relevant to this thread:

Any more information about this study?

Source:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2012/09/29/male-female-economists-differ/1583053/

[julz]

Saw this study today, seems relevant to this thread:

Any more information about this study?

I'd like to know if the average age of female economists is lower than that of males. I suspect, given that there has been a gradual improvement in opening up fields of study to women over the decades, that this is so.
It might then be relevant to see if younger economists have different opinions to older ones - and whether this study took that into account.

[firefop]

I'd like to know if the average age of female economists is lower than that of males. I suspect, given that there has been a gradual improvement in opening up fields of study to women over the decades, that this is so.
It might then be relevant to see if younger economists have different opinions to older ones - and whether this study took that into account.

That was exactly my thought as well... if they haven't taken an age bias into account - the results could simply mean "younger economists are more liberal"

[ralree]

Did anyone suggest guysgonebitcoin yet?  I'm sure the ladies would love to pay to see the users on this forum in the buff.

[Akka]

Did anyone suggest guysgonebitcoin yet?  I'm sure the ladies would love to pay to see the users on this forum in the buff.

So, I think we have totally different expectations what the average forum user looks like.

[Spekulatius]

Did anyone suggest guysgonebitcoin yet?  I'm sure the ladies would love to pay to see the users on this forum in the buff.

So, I think we have totally different expectations what the average forum user looks like.

It might work though. Total anonymity, watching your favorite guys undress "only for you"..
Women feel the temptation of erotica just like the male audience, only social pressure is higher to admit to it (like buying erotic content with credit cards or paypal accounts could result in someone finding out about it).

This project however faces higher barriers like small audience with bitcoins ("Females, where art thou!?"). Guys to undress (anonymously) however should be around in sufficient numbers, given the vast crowd of bitcoin geeks. Once this starts to pick up steam, it could grow..

Femal audience centered erotica products is such an underdeveloped market on the net anyways. Whats the major obstacle for it to take off?

[Aahzman]

How do we get the women on board? Duct tape and chloroform?  Firemen calendars? Free chocolate with the accrual of every bitcoin?

[firefop]

How do we get the women on board? Duct tape and chloroform?  Firemen calendars? Free chocolate with the accrual of every bitcoin?

A cutesy pink wallet for droid?

It's called marketing - Either someone does it or those less capable of proper use of a computer (both genders included here) won't ever adopt.

[colivingclub]

I think its not the only issue. First of all would be nice if we could understand how to start using that bitcoin. Because everybody talk of how cool is btc, but nobody says how we can start with it.
You are right its not that shiny as we like, but if we cant understand how to use it, doesn't matter how shiny you can make it

Shinies:

Lets face it. Bitcoin, in its current state, is not shiny. To make a metaphor, it looks like a very advanced piece of technology with wires going everywhere. Contrast this with the "Apple look".
100 private keys is probably NOT the way to go. It is complicated, and ugly (it could be an option but not standard(
Proposal: One private key should be standard. It should not be in hex, bas64, or anything else ugly. One thing that could work would be a sort of dictionary encoding, where every 20 bits or whatever is mapped to a word. The word in the dictionary would have to be carefully selected to be positive, or at least neutral. If this is chosen, there should be a "generate new address", so that people could click until they found one they were satisfied with.
The websites used with bitcoins are not pretty either (exchanges+this site). Contrast for instance with this:
http://www.westernunion.se/web-inf/images/yes/heroAreaCanIAlone013009.swf (western union)
this is what the sites should have to attract women, I believe.
Proposal: Find a professional designer that takes a look at the bitcoin client. Preferably one who knows nothing at all about the technology behind. Hide the details of implementation, remember how Object Orientation works

Fast transfers:

Bitcoins are a lot faster than banktransfers, but they can absolutely not compete with visa/mastercard/paypal in terms of speed. This IS a serious problem.
I think the advice given to businesses should be that they should accept transfers directly, or after one confirmation. If there is a reversal accept that as a fact of life. For sites with few but large sales, this may not be the way to go, but for transactions under 10 bitcoin this should def. be the standard. An alternative would be to pay instantly via for instance MtGox, but that would centralize the system, which I believe we don't want.

Ideology:

Cypher punk is cool, but does not have mainstream appeal, especially among women. We should tone that aspect down, no one cares about it. Thought should be given to whether a more appealing ideology could be retrofitted so to speak.
Suggestion: "Your local business is struggling to survive under the death grip of credit card fees. (Pic of small local store. Beautiful female clerk, with lots of styling looks sad, hopeless). But there is a cheaper alternative. Use bitcoin, support your local stores. (Clerk smiling)."
This might be construed as too patriotic for some. Too balance it we should emphasize how easy it is to donate to overseas charities, and buy from overseas stores.

Favorite sites:

This is a hard one obviously. We should try to push existing sites to use bitcoins as much as possible (details about doing this are abundant in other threads of course).
We should also try to new stores accepting bit coins to speed up the process. One thing that has been forgotten though, is the focus on stores selling items for women.

Friends:

Site should have a like button. Encourage users to blog/tweet/comment whenever they use bitcoins for a transaction.

[DenGreen910]

How do we get the women on board?

Maybe we should get out from behind the computer and talk to a few... I haven't said two words to my wife since I heard about bitcoin a couple months ago...

  seriously? you're a tough man

[claire]

Did anyone suggest guysgonebitcoin yet?  I'm sure the ladies would love to pay to see the users on this forum in the buff.

So, I think we have totally different expectations what the average forum user looks like.

It might work though. Total anonymity, watching your favorite guys undress "only for you"..
Women feel the temptation of erotica just like the male audience, only social pressure is higher to admit to it (like buying erotic content with credit cards or paypal accounts could result in someone finding out about it).

This project however faces higher barriers like small audience with bitcoins ("Females, where art thou!?"). Guys to undress (anonymously) however should be around in sufficient numbers, given the vast crowd of bitcoin geeks. Once this starts to pick up steam, it could grow..

Femal audience centered erotica products is such an underdeveloped market on the net anyways. Whats the major obstacle for it to take off?

I really wouldn't pay to see a guy undress. In fact, I'm not going to pay anyone, male or female, to do any kind of erotic tap dance for me.

Men like to talk to women. They like to view women. Men typically are very auditory and visual. Women, on the other hand, would rather buy something sexy to wear, a toy, or read something erotic. That is why the visual and auditory markets for men are so big and the erotica and toy market are big for women. Sometimes they do overlap, but in general the two are very diverse from one another.

One guy ran a phone sex company with bitcoin years ago but then he closed up business. I think it bit him in the ass or the financial laws in Canada did. But it was doing pretty well since he could either use bitcoin or credit card. Women would find it easier to buy toys and clothes. Me personally? I spend mine on web hosting, domain names, and technology because I have no interest in doing something I can do in real time with someone I love or over the phone with someone paying me money to talk to him.

[xena2]

Girls hate money.


That's why they spend it so fast.


am I right?! 

i am a woman, and i think it is easy.  Most of the people nowadays are practical that they easily join groups where they can earn,  spend and invest.

[Riddikulo]

The survey of women in this forum shows much less than I thought but perhaps they just want to remain anonymous or not vote. It has been several years and women in the crypto currency are probably 30%.

[muneeb.zain]

With the passage of time womens are getting into every field of life and working with mens side by side with joining shoulders with them and with time more and more womens will take interest in it and also earn profit on their investments.All of ous must have to eppricate them and also make them aware them and educated them about this.

[Dico88]

I suggest to build bitcoin market so there is something to be able to spend new bitcoin at this time. There are several places to be able to spend bitcoi but the market is still not advanced. When the market is not advanced then you will get more people participating both men and women.

[HyperLup]

The rate of female investors in the crypto market is low but it isn't convincing from my point of view. I agree that women prefer to remain anonymous, while men don't prefer to hide themselves.

[Gytza]

The survey of women in this forum shows much less than I thought but perhaps they just want to remain anonymous or not vote. It has been several years and women in the crypto currency are probably 30%.

I was completely   when I saw that percentage. Also think it's much more today, about 30%. Probably beacuse of the 2017. bull run, when BTC was on the news, in the papers, everybody was talking about it.

[jpnl0005]

Majority of women are fragile and always wanting this it if the is an awareness that with Bitcoin you can sell your shoes bags clothes hairs and everything feminine trust me you will see lots and lots of women here.All they need is an awareness of what Bitcoin can do for them

[WebTera]

I see no point in dividing investors into men and women. If a person invests wisely and is able to earn money, then who cares what gender it is?

[udivkx]

I do not see any fundamental difference in who invests. I know a few female investors who are much smarter than male investors I know. But this is only because they studied bitcoin better and studied the market more. It all depends on the person, not on his sex.

[Elerntta]

Interesting question I never asked myself. I'm a woman, but I only do it because I'm interested. And I was interested in bitcoin my boyfriend. And although most of the investors I know are men, I don't see a fundamental difference. Just women this area less interesting.

[deerlion]

There is actually a decent amount of women that use crypto.  I would say its at least 10 percent of this board at the minimum, we should be focusing more on equality in this day and age.

[Taki]

Girls simply think that cryptos are something for nerds. But as a girl I can tell that cryptos can be very good opportunity for part time job being at home, taking care of children, husband and home; just like I do in the current moment.

[timotron]

We will discover when it happens.

Let's compare it to other things most women don't are interested in:

 MOTORs

 Hunting

 Mathematics

 there are probably more...

In any case, you can ask your question in all of those categories.

 and the answer is not easy either there.

Maybe because it is dirty, dangerous or complicated.
 Maybe is boring?

How to get more females into crypto?
 a no-aggressive answer could be
 More fashion - more intrigue - an idol like Monroe for freedom - and definitely more use cases for female hobbies.

Good day all.

[KonstantinosM]

Women will follow with the mainstream. We're not truly ready for mainstream adoption so we shouldn't actively go after the women right now.

The suggestions in the OP are good and will take  while to implement.


A flashy new client with a good interface would draw in a lot of men as well as women.

To be honest, I'd love to have the option to use a pretty interface/gui with a polished user experience.

I think that may be the second step to getting women into crypto. The first step will obviously be mass adoption and the first step to mass adoption is scaling.

And scaling leads to the dark side (jk) Scaling leads to bitcoin being closer to the whitepaper uses, micropayments and what not.


If we can do micropayments apps and mobile games can use it and women use those as well.


The advertising aspect in the OP is genius, this would do wonders as well and it's actually true, not false advertisement. I love it.


I'm glad this post was brought back from the dead.

[maksimukr1989]

I notice on the contrary a lot of women will join crypto and it's very good.The more users of cryptocurrency the better.Many women know about bounty and are also very active in promoting products.

[gabmen]

Girls simply think that cryptos are something for nerds. But as a girl I can tell that cryptos can be very good opportunity for part time job being at home, taking care of children, husband and home; just like I do in the current moment.

Actually,i think a lot of females are already in crypto. It's just that men are a little bit noisier when it comes to making predictions and speculations but there are already a lot of women on board. Same with forex and the stock market. It's seen as men's domain when there are a lot of women already in it.

[cathalary153]

Women are entering all walks of life and working with men side by side with their roles and with the time that more women will care about it and also earn a profit from the item. their investment. I suggest building a bitcoin market to have something to be able to spend a new bitcoin at this time. When the market is not advanced, you will get many people involved both men and women. The entire Bitcoin market and electronic money are discriminatory and sexless. There are many women who invest in the electronic money market.

[chris.woaks]

Most women will not choose to use bitcoins in its current stage. First of all, it's too technical for their nonsensical minds. Secondly, they can't max out a bitcoin like they can a credit card.

[Olayinka225]

I think just few women are into cryptocurrency though I have a number of them around me that are even pro in crypto. But i think there should be a sort of organized orientation and views of individuals in crypto to women just as in politics, we have few of them there. Though things are changing gradually, just what we want in crypto also.

[ngm22585]

I'm a man, and some of these responses are mind-blowing.

It's 2018.

[Timmzzy]

It is my belief that the majority of bitcoin users are males. Females, please prove me wrong through the poll.

Moving on, assuming that my belief is correct, the question is how we get them on board?

Let my first state that I think there is a difference in what would attract men and women to bitcoin. Men are more attracted to the avante garde aspect and the technological aspect, while women are more concerned with which technology works best for them now.
They want shinies, they want fast transfers, they might won over by ideology, but probably not the ideology of libertarianism. They want to use the system that their favorite site uses, and they want to use the system their friends use. This by the way probably describes how mainstream males think too.

Shinies:

Lets face it. Bitcoin, in its current state, is not shiny. To make a metaphor, it looks like a very advanced piece of technology with wires going everywhere. Contrast this with the "Apple look".
100 private keys is probably NOT the way to go. It is complicated, and ugly (it could be an option but not standard(
Proposal: One private key should be standard. It should not be in hex, bas64, or anything else ugly. One thing that could work would be a sort of dictionary encoding, where every 20 bits or whatever is mapped to a word. The word in the dictionary would have to be carefully selected to be positive, or at least neutral. If this is chosen, there should be a "generate new address", so that people could click until they found one they were satisfied with.
The websites used with bitcoins are not pretty either (exchanges+this site). Contrast for instance with this:
http://www.westernunion.se/web-inf/images/yes/heroAreaCanIAlone013009.swf (western union)
this is what the sites should have to attract women, I believe.
Proposal: Find a professional designer that takes a look at the bitcoin client. Preferably one who knows nothing at all about the technology behind. Hide the details of implementation, remember how Object Orientation works

Fast transfers:

Bitcoins are a lot faster than banktransfers, but they can absolutely not compete with visa/mastercard/paypal in terms of speed. This IS a serious problem.
I think the advice given to businesses should be that they should accept transfers directly, or after one confirmation. If there is a reversal accept that as a fact of life. For sites with few but large sales, this may not be the way to go, but for transactions under 10 bitcoin this should def. be the standard. An alternative would be to pay instantly via for instance MtGox, but that would centralize the system, which I believe we don't want.

Ideology:

Cypher punk is cool, but does not have mainstream appeal, especially among women. We should tone that aspect down, no one cares about it. Thought should be given to whether a more appealing ideology could be retrofitted so to speak.
Suggestion: "Your local business is struggling to survive under the death grip of credit card fees. (Pic of small local store. Beautiful female clerk, with lots of styling looks sad, hopeless). But there is a cheaper alternative. Use bitcoin, support your local stores. (Clerk smiling)."
This might be construed as too patriotic for some. Too balance it we should emphasize how easy it is to donate to overseas charities, and buy from overseas stores.

Favorite sites:

This is a hard one obviously. We should try to push existing sites to use bitcoins as much as possible (details about doing this are abundant in other threads of course).
We should also try to new stores accepting bit coins to speed up the process. One thing that has been forgotten though, is the focus on stores selling items for women.

Friends:

Site should have a like button. Encourage users to blog/tweet/comment whenever they use bitcoins for a transaction.

I love the question here, actually I have few ladies have known who are into Cryptocurrency, some in Bounties hunting and some in trading of bitcoin as a whole, Getting to the point of understanding blockchain I don't think is that simple in the side of women to the side of men, it will really take time and women don't like to stress for Money.

[Loopper]

Girls simply think that cryptos are something for nerds. But as a girl I can tell that cryptos can be very good opportunity for part time job being at home, taking care of children, husband and home; just like I do in the current moment.

So you can be said of a woman who does this in your home. it becomes one of the ways for women who have a family to fill their daily lives.

[SeVenlast]

I notice on the contrary a lot of women will join crypto and it's very good.The more users of cryptocurrency the better.Many women know about bounty and are also very active in promoting products.

This has happened for some women who are interested in the crypto world and it is true that more and more people playing in the crypto world will get better for the future.

[Burogh]

I am believe many woman involve in crypto industry. If we see on ICOs developers team, many woman involve on that team to grow the project success. I am believe woman are equal with man and they can compete with man in any aspect

[rommelo24]

I see no point in dividing investors into men and women. If a person invests wisely and is able to earn money, then who cares what gender it is?

Agree at any point gender doesn't matter the more people participate bitcoin the more investors to have. I dont really care abouy this what i care much is not losing in my investments.

[qiwoman2]

Get the Ladies in your household interested by opening them wallets and giving them a gift. Say some Bitcoin and some ETH to start with, or some other nice token or coin you want to gift them and get them educated to watch some videos. I think we need more whales out there to start being more generous and get the ladies in by giving them a gift of crypto, also try and entice them into saving a portion of their earnings every month in crypto. Ladies we like to spend if we have spare cash, but we are also good savers as well. Start thinking about more mass adoption than Lambos, then the Lambos will come after mass adoption lol.

[fianaindriati]

Girls simply think that cryptos are something for nerds. But as a girl I can tell that cryptos can be very good opportunity for part time job being at home, taking care of children, husband and home; just like I do in the current moment.

So you can be said of a woman who does this in your home. it becomes one of the ways for women who have a family to fill their daily lives.

I think yes, it is better for women not to do things like this, because the obligation of the woman is to look after the child, husband, and homework. if you are looking for funds for your family, that's your duty. because men are the backbone of the family.

[camric09]

Girls simply think that cryptos are something for nerds. But as a girl I can tell that cryptos can be very good opportunity for part time job being at home, taking care of children, husband and home; just like I do in the current moment.

So you can be said of a woman who does this in your home. it becomes one of the ways for women who have a family to fill their daily lives.

I think yes, it is better for women not to do things like this, because the obligation of the woman is to look after the child, husband, and homework. if you are looking for funds for your family, that's your duty. because men are the backbone of the family.

But I think it is better if both will have an extra income, like a woman taking care of her family while making an income over the internet, This days I am sure many of women now are doing this.

[minhlee95]

I think the only reason is that this area of technology is interesting to most men. Although my sister is as passionate about cryptocurrencies as I am. And I would recommend earning on cryptocurrency to everyone, including women, as it is not as difficult as it may seem.

[HabBear]

Great use of the polling feature, well done!

It perfectly aligns with your original post topic and adds meaningful, data driven insight that supports and proves your point.

As for getting women on board - starting talking to them about it. Have them around when you're making bitcoin transactions. And don't make it "a thing" don't say "ooh, let me show you how to do this"...just do it when you know there around and watching. The best way to get people introduced to something new is to use it a real life scenario and let their nature curiosity take over.

[Caxton10]

We should accept bitcoins at supermarkets including grocery stores and clothing shops with a lot of discounts for those who will buy with bitcoin. This might get them to use bitcoin.

[cybersofts]

I think the best way to get women on using bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, in general, is by teaching women how to use cryptocurrency. Women are very fragile when it comes to money and how to handle it. We should start by teaching them what is bitcoin and the bitcoin advantages, how bitcoin is decentralized, instant and cheaper global transactions, and the bitcoin network security. When then women fully understood bitcoin and how it works, hopefully, they'll hop on

[thunderbitz2717]

Are you asking the counting total of how many women's do we have in bitcoin world or crypto world? This business was anonymous, and with that its hard to know to determine if each account are female. And besides, it doesn't matter whether you are man or a woman. As long as you understanding what bitcoin or crypto is you are welcome to be part of this business community.

[andika2018]

Many my friend are woman interesting on bitcoin investment. They are have more patience with their investment and not easy to be panic when negative news come to market. Woman right now have good knowledge about investment including cryptocurrency

[mjaranzasu]

Many my friend are woman interesting on bitcoin investment. They are have more patience with their investment and not easy to be panic when negative news come to market. Woman right now have good knowledge about investment including cryptocurrency

Yes, we are not fully aware that many women now are also investing in cryptocurrencies and I am sure a lot of them now already earned huge profit and this is really a big help to their family.

[smile1218]

I am one of the females who take part on this forum and invested in crypto currencies. There are females whose into this specially those who believes in crypto currencies. I am proud to be a female crypto investor.

[Ethan Argu]

One of my friend is women also she invest in bitcoin actually she taught me about bitcoin so i learn from her.
She also believe thay bitcoin can help thier family, she wanted to build a small business to pursue her passion i believe that she could reach her dream.

[Nicholson55]

It is my belief that the majority of bitcoin users are males. Females, please prove me wrong through the poll.

Moving on, assuming that my belief is correct, the question is how we get them on board?

In two words: less mysogyny.

I definitely agree with this - maybe a forum dedicated to women only is a good starting point? (I'm not sure, just a suggestion)

[Hijack333]

Whats with gender equality?

For me it does not matter if i read a thread. Only quality does.

Better ask yourself what to do to bring quality back here, like before mid 2017.

[Sevarchik]

No need to call poeples to this field.
Especially womens, if some one interest in cryptos they come here himself

[Freegan]

Well, in reality this absence of women is not an exclusive issue of the crypto-universe. I have had the opportunity to try my luck in an endless number of online businesses, investment schemes and different technological and financial issues, and it seems that women are not very supportive of this type of issues. Therefore I think it is too much to try to find a cause within the ecosystem itself, or to blame supposed oppressive or discriminatory systems. Most women simply do not care about the topic, nor will they be interested, unless they see it translated into cash.

[tunapa]

Am not surprised as we have more woman in cryptocurrency compared to 2017. Currently in my area and environs, I have seen increment in woman activities and participation in cryptocurrency. I know it will get better and very soon we have them more into  cryptocurrency.

[KofiAdepa]

I think we could get them on board but it wont be that easy since most ladies are not much into technology. But I think the males out there can help by gradually giving them the necessary tutorial and with time they will familiarize themselves into it.

[smile1218]

Girls hate money.


That's why they spend it so fast.


am I right?! 

That is not true. Not all girls are like that don’t be too judgemental. I myself is a girl who don’t hate money and i use it wisely 

[mornabo]

I think the best way to get women on using bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, in general, is by teaching women how to use cryptocurrency. Women are very fragile when it comes to money and how to handle it. We should start by teaching them what is bitcoin and the bitcoin advantages, how bitcoin is decentralized, instant and cheaper global transactions, and the bitcoin network security. When then women fully understood bitcoin and how it works, hopefully, they'll hop on

I will tell you this, that they will not want to be taught how to use bitcoin, if theyselves are not interested in knowing more about
bitcoin? that's what happened now. I think the first thing that must happen is to make them interested first

[worldtraveller321]

There are already many women groups in Crypto already, just check them out

[Kurevazeyo]

One of my friend is women also she invest in bitcoin actually she taught me about bitcoin so i learn from her.
She also believe thay bitcoin can help thier family, she wanted to build a small business to pursue her passion i believe that she could reach her dream.

I believe women are more thorough and patient in making decisions on bitcoin trading, very different from men who tend to be emotional in making decisions. So that the more women involved in bitcoin trading, the better, because all this time there is an assumption that bitcoin users are dominated by men.

[Genamant]

Comments here are very witty about us women
I think only a certain group of women can be attracted to crypto
And this are dependent women who dont see men as a  walking atm
And most specially this are kinds of women who is more concern on their own port than others.

Well i dont speak for all this is just my opinion i hope no one gets offended.

[Dudeperfect]

I believe that the involvement of women in the crypto industry is directly proportional to that of their involvement in the IT industry. There are many identified and not identified reasons behind the gender gap. The identified reasons include lack of mentors available to them, unequal payment for the same skills as well as lack of female role models in the industry. These barriers are restricting females from getting on board and we must focus on the fundamental issues in order to reduce this gap.

[Stedsm]

Frankly speaking, the best thing would be not to ask any women about getting on board if it's related to crypto because they love to save, they're so supreme in their work and they love to bargain, as well as they think too much of ways to save more money instead of investing it anywhere. And to speak to them about crypto, you already know why I'm stopping you - because crypto is passing through its bad days and if such liquidity will be put in front of their eyes, they will become negative about it the first time they'll see it. So, let the charts stabilize a bit and then convince them to invest a piece of their savings into crypto. If it's about knowledge, draw them towards Bitcointalk only as this is the best place for them to learn anything about crypto sphere.

[karthik5334]

Women in Cryptocurrency?
The following https://mrbtc.org/bitcoin/ is all about the top 8 women in Cryptocurrency.

Joyce Kim
Perianne Boring
Amber Baldet
Jinglan Wang
Jen Greyson
Fahima Anwar
Meltem Demirors
Raine Revere

https://mrbtc.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Women-in-Crypto_new-4.png
Source - https://mrbtc.org/

[happy weblancer]

Comments here are very witty about us women
I think only a certain group of women can be attracted to crypto
And this are dependent women who dont see men as a  walking atm
And most specially this are kinds of women who is more concern on their own port than others.

Well i dont speak for all this is just my opinion i hope no one gets offended.

Crypto is for independent women. But I know several married women who have children, but who are here on the forum with us, in order to have an additional source of income and help for the family.

[sammyp]

How do we get the women on board?

Maybe we should get out from behind the computer and talk to a few... I haven't said two words to my wife since I heard about bitcoin a couple months ago...

My girlfriend promised to burn my computer sometime ago. She also felt I had time for my computer more than I had for her. I think we should let them understand what we do on our computers and occasionally use bitcoin to shop for them. This may attract them into bitcoin.

[uotbtc8611]

what I believe women don't need earning but an earner..

[saumang2m]

I believe that in today's time many women have been associated with Bitcoin. And earning extra money for your family members. Because today the women can work together with men. And they do not have to go outside to work with Bitcoin.

[CryptoRama]

what I believe women don't need earning but an earner..

up top, my man!

We don't need them, woman should clean and cook, myself, as a man, I bring the money to the house, if that's not the case, then women's don't need us... that's all I can say...

[Belec]

Its up to women if they whant to invest in bitcoin or not,my personal opinion is that they dont like it becouse some of them dont understant it. But how ever i think that there are a lot of girls in this world useing bitcoin and maybe some of them are mining for bitcoin.

[proTECH77]

There is nothing the females can prove when it come to Bitcoin or technology in general. Those who are women are very few among us which cannot be compare to men involvement into Bitcoin or technology. Women are not know to be good in technology neither using the available technology for a very long time, women do not have the mindset to stay online for too long. The unmarried ones can adapt to bitcoin which is likely to be 1/4 of their population.

[Sandus_Cryptolover]

The percentage of us women in cryptocurrency is very small compared to the men counterpart. Many of us (women) find it very difficult to understand it at first, just as it took months, if not years to fully understand the Blockchain Technology to the best of my ability. Some of us might be slow learner's does not mean that we are totally not relevant in the cryptospace.

[MiningSensei]

And what is the difference from man to woman? It is almost the same, at the end, they are still using bitcoin, that is all what matters.

I think that it all also depends on how much they are investing, most of the times, men are always investing more than women, and this has already been proved.

But who knows? Maybe in the near future, when mainstream adoption comes, it is all going to change

[Sumo]

I do not understand why it is so important for you that there were more women in cryptocurrency. It doesn't matter to me. Especially as it is very difficult to understand how many actually in this sphere of women, and how many men.

[WebTera]

I know more than one woman who invest in cryptocurrency and quite successfully. But they don't talk about it in investment forums. What for? This is of no importance for success in investing.

[Pyr3x]

It seems to me that it does not matter what sex the investor is - female or male. The main thing is how smart he is. No sex, profession or social status of an investor is important for bitcoin. That's great.

[Siren]

Girls hate money.


That's why they spend it so fast.


am I right?! 

Maybe all the girls you’ve met are in prostitution’s thats why you can say such word,though i know somw of those womens are very responsible and just lack of chance to earn money from other side of the way

I have known many female genders here that has been very active dealing with trades,campaigns or even some are holders,and as of this moment i believe that 1/4 of the community are females but i may be wrong

[tanxpresisit514]

There is nothing the females can prove when it come to Bitcoin or technology in general. Those who are women are very few among us which cannot be compare to men involvement into Bitcoin or technology. Women are not know to be good in technology neither using the available technology for a very long time, women do not have the mindset to stay online for too long. The unmarried ones can adapt to bitcoin which is likely to be 1/4 of their population.

I believe that if women are involved in the world of bitcoin it will be better than men, because women are more patient and think long before making a decision. The future of bitcoin is increasingly popular if more and more women are struggling with it.

[alishah19811]

Bitcoin Make up Stores business for women

[KingScorpio]

i would prefer seeing women launching their own "coin"

"girls state" token or something like that.

[- ESPERS -]

        It does not matter what sex the investor has in the crypto market. Sexism has no place in cryptocurrency. Important are the trader's capabilities of each investor and how receptive he is to the new market information. Currently, in my opinion, there are 80% investors and users of this forum, male.

[Karie_Legend]

Comments here are very witty about us women
I think only a certain group of women can be attracted to crypto
And this are dependent women who dont see men as a  walking atm
And most specially this are kinds of women who is more concern on their own port than others.

Well i dont speak for all this is just my opinion i hope no one gets offended.

Crypto is for independent women. But I know several married women who have children, but who are here on the forum with us, in order to have an additional source of income and help for the family.

This doesn't guarantee you to make a profit for your family at home because this is not a job that is definitely paid every month or has an agreement. You just need to be smart to take knowledge from everything in this forum.

[Rofiz]

You get women into bitcoin the same way you get women into ceo jobs and men into pinterest accounts. YOU DON'T! Not because they aren't capable but because they aren't interested in that sort of thing.

[Korkorjkk]

I know there are females that have joined crypto and others are also scared to join because of the negative things they hear about crypto.  Women are naturally reserved and not risk takers,  but they takes risks when they see something bigger and better returns.

[Inosend]

I have a crypto Godmother and she's a woman I also have crypto sisters, what I'm trying to say is that we have women in the system smart once, some women are even smarter than men you know.

[globalking]

I don't think so we need to get women on board they are already on board I know many of the women who are in cryptocurrency.

[Paashaas]

Woman don't want to make money they want to spend your BTC.

[mornabo]

You get women into bitcoin the same way you get women into ceo jobs and men into pinterest accounts. YOU DON'T! Not because they aren't capable but because they aren't interested in that sort of thing.

maybe partially true, most women, I didn't mention all of them, but most women are more interested in something related to beauty rather than technological development, its fact. so it's natural that you see crypto users more likely to be men? you see new technology inventors like apple, microsoft and other platforms or technologies are men ?

[senyorito123]

I see many women's now doing Bounties we cannot recognize them because they are hiding with the men's name,I see almost in the social media many women's now are promoting ICO almost of them have a online business background,and they can focus doing Bounties because women's are always in the house and they have more time than men.

[teknohog]

Finland's leading cryptocurrency company recently got a female CEO. I couldn't find an English announcement but here are some relevant links:

https://bittiraha.fi/muutoksia-prasos-oyn-johdossa/

https://prasos.fi/

[BennyK]

Research has proven that men are more risk takers than women. Women prefer to hold or save what they earn from their work on the real world than to enter investment which normally comes with risk. However, there are good number of women entering crypto nowadays which can be seen from the whitepapers and websites of new projects - women are partaking in the team membership of projects. I believe more will enter with time.

[Janation]

Women are into various things. Business, politics, investment etc and also women are greatly involved in cryptocurrency. In some part women are even more involved than men

I don't think you can't buy them shoes just so they can use Bitcoin, jk.

There are a lot of girls or women using Bitcoin already and I know some that use it too. There are even women that write articles about it and even teaching other people too about it. I can say that they are also involved like men especially these days that women can do things that men do, and it also includes investing, running a business, be in politics and have their own investments like cryptocurrency.

[denzkilim]

Women are into various things. Business, politics, investment etc and also women are greatly involved in cryptocurrency. In some part women are even more involved than men

I don't think you can't buy them shoes just so they can use Bitcoin, jk.

There are a lot of girls or women using Bitcoin already and I know some that use it too. There are even women that write articles about it and even teaching other people too about it. I can say that they are also involved like men especially these days that women can do things that men do, and it also includes investing, running a business, be in politics and have their own investments like cryptocurrency.

LOL, this thread is from 2011 and it is 8 years ago when there are only a few women using Crypto Currencies compared today where the numbers of women in the crypto industry have risen and there are a lot in upcoming ICO's and STO's. Women these days are so active in different kinds of stuff ranging from finance, sports, politics, and many more to be mentioned, I think women these days are more recognized and respected when it comes to their abilities in different kinds of aspects.