Re: Primedice | Most Popular & Trusted Bitcoin Game | Huge Community | Free BTC

[jambola2]

dear TheGambler if you cannot confirm 100% win rate then how can you 100% guarantee of my funds and return of my investment?

Why don't you take a picture of "My Bets" on primedice on your account.
We can see your win ratio , and if it is pretty high , we can be assured that this is not a Ponzi scam.

To the both of you...
What if the method (not saying that it does) involves punt bets which mean you have to lose a lot before you win....
Then the win ratio would be attrocious.

There are people on primedice like Mike who have over 335BTC profit and have a 0.2 win ratio...So it has nothing to do with the winnings.
I am not showing you the "my bets" as that reveals part of the secret toward what I am doing.

I guarantee 100% the return of funds and your investment. You have to understand 100% winning is a one in a billion chance.
I can see where your confusion is but you both should really understand the difference between the two statements "Win Ratio"/"Win Rate" and the guarantee of the returning of funds.

Sorry , I did not mean win ratio , but overall win.
We can see if you have been winning , or if you have been mostly losing and are just trying a ponzi scheme.
Just try to keep everything as transparent as possible , without compromising your methods.

This is again the same situation. 80% of gamblers have more losses than wins...in fact I strive on having more losses than wins.
I could have 100000 losses worth 1 satoshi, then 10 wins worth 10 bitcoins each.
Again, not saying this is the case, but I am letting you know that wins, losses, profit, win ratio and all the other crap you see on the stats has nothing to do with this investment program.

Let me explain what I want to see in simple words.

1. You give screenshot
2. I see that you have won more BTC in total than losses.
3. You are once and for all , proved to be trustworthy.

[Gatekeeper]

lol if you won all the time you wouldn't need money from other people, you could just bankrupt Prime Dice and every other gambling site out there. Such a shame that someone so young is so delusional

[shitaifan2013]

dear TheGambler if you cannot confirm 100% win rate then how can you 100% guarantee of my funds and return of my investment?

Why don't you take a picture of "My Bets" on primedice on your account.
We can see your win ratio , and if it is pretty high , we can be assured that this is not a Ponzi scam.

To the both of you...
What if the method (not saying that it does) involves punt bets which mean you have to lose a lot before you win....
Then the win ratio would be attrocious.

ah, sounds like the good old martinfail 

[Rannasha]

You misunderstood the process.
1. You send amount X to the escrow, post the tx-id here. Escrow confirms receipt.
2. I send amount X directly to you, post the tx-id here.
3. You do what you do for 48 hours.
4. You return 1.25 * X to me, post the tx-id here.
5. Escrow confirms that I received the payout and sends your collateral back to you.

You hold the entire investment worth of coins while you do the gambling. The amount deposited at the escrow is to guarantee that I receive my investment back (but no profit), if you fail to deliver.

What do you suggest as a collateral? I only really deal with Bitcoins the rest are reversible currency.

Bitcoins are fine as collateral. Since you have claimed to have won quite a few, you should have some lying around that could do the job.

[lightlord]

TheGambler I quite frankly would be shocked if people actually fallen for your services.

First of all if your profiting is guaranteed, why not use your back up BTC funds, in an ever ending loop
going up and up and up in profit continuously and keep it all.

What's the logic of offering such a service if you can do it with your own funds, sell your belongings, your car, what ever you have, turn that into BTC. And walla free bitcoins using your method.

Quickly if this method worked, you would be well off and rich, so there's no logic behind this service.

There is only one possible reason why you offer this service.

Because its a SCAM

There are several things that would occur to hook some fish, first actually doing a few payments,
so the first 3-5 people sending 1 BTC would actually receive 1.25 BTC. Quickly many more would
dive in, and then of course the OP runs away.

Its guaranteed, to either be a SCAM, or OP wouldn't bother listing his services, instead would be rich and wealthy, why do this? Pointless.

I nick name these schemes, "Hook the fish Scam"

[lightlord]

I also have backup coins in case something out of the ordinary occurs, so you'll always receive a return!

First of all, if your method works, why don't you take your own funds, and in a never ending spiral go up, up, up, up. Until your profit earns you enough to be rich and well off.

Why offer to others, and get ppl to send funds to your personal address?

And ofc you will pay the first 3-5 people, to hook even more bigger fish out there.
Then run off. Classic scam scheme.

[Rannasha]

You misunderstood the process.
1. You send amount X to the escrow, post the tx-id here. Escrow confirms receipt.
2. I send amount X directly to you, post the tx-id here.
3. You do what you do for 48 hours.
4. You return 1.25 * X to me, post the tx-id here.
5. Escrow confirms that I received the payout and sends your collateral back to you.

You hold the entire investment worth of coins while you do the gambling. The amount deposited at the escrow is to guarantee that I receive my investment back (but no profit), if you fail to deliver.

What do you suggest as a collateral? I only really deal with Bitcoins the rest are reversible currency.

Bitcoins are fine as collateral. Since you have claimed to have won quite a few, you should have some lying around that could do the job.

How many coins would you prefer for the collateral?

The same amount as I would invest.

[lightlord]

You will receive 1.25BTC GUARANTEED there is NO doubt about it.

Because it doesn't work like that you nimrod.
You can't just go and 'spiral and spiral'....moderation is a key part of the whole strategy.
I explained this already, I make 25% of the bitcoins as I get it to 150% and send 125%.

You say its GUARANTEED, for investors to profit 125%. You also state you get to 150%, and investors get 125%.
Making a guaranteed 25% profit.

So if its all fairy tale guaranteed stuff. Then why not try it on your own funds? And get 150%, do it again, 150%, do it again 150%, do it again 150%.

Quickly you would be a very wealthy man.

What is the logic of doing it on other investor funds? Now the elaborate excuse, to get funds for a site.

So why not do it on your funds over and over and over again. until you have enough for your site?

[Rannasha]

You misunderstood the process.
1. You send amount X to the escrow, post the tx-id here. Escrow confirms receipt.
2. I send amount X directly to you, post the tx-id here.
3. You do what you do for 48 hours.
4. You return 1.25 * X to me, post the tx-id here.
5. Escrow confirms that I received the payout and sends your collateral back to you.

You hold the entire investment worth of coins while you do the gambling. The amount deposited at the escrow is to guarantee that I receive my investment back (but no profit), if you fail to deliver.

What do you suggest as a collateral? I only really deal with Bitcoins the rest are reversible currency.

Bitcoins are fine as collateral. Since you have claimed to have won quite a few, you should have some lying around that could do the job.

How many coins would you prefer for the collateral?

The same amount as I would invest.

Then what is the point in investing at all.
I may as well just hand you 2.5BTC as I wouldn't be working with your money would I, I'd be working on my own.

Thanks, that was exactly the point I was trying to make.

[lightlord]

For gods sake...
what part of doing it "over and over and over again" is not possible do you not understand?
The more you do it "over and over and over again" the higher the risk, and the less guarantee you have.
and also I already answered this
MODERATION IS KEY FOR THIS METHOD TO WORK AND SUCCEED.
IF I just kept on spiraling and kept going and going that is NOT moderation and the risk would get higher, and higher, and higher until eventually it all crumbles.

And for building trust, this isn't the method to building trust by offering shady services that look very scammy.

If its risky, then clearly you can't provide this service, as it would all crumble.

If your logic is true, then as more and more people invest, the risk would get higher, higher, higher until this entire operation
crumbles.

Your wording backfires on yourself.

[lightlord]

Just because YOU THINK it looks shady or scamming that doesn't mean others do. I state very clearly if you don't trust it, don't invest in it.
And that's a load of crap, as the more and more people invest I'd still be returning 125% and nothing more than that. I am not returning 150% one at a time or going to 200% or 300%, I'd just be doing it as one big amount for 125%.

If you can handle more and more people investing, and if you can do one big amount for 125%. Then why not throw everything you own, and make it a 125%?

Do you at all not see your logic fail?

One you offer guaranteed returns. So why use investor funds when you can use your own?

Why not do this service on yourself? And make some bucks. And walk away as a winner?

[lightlord]

Because that would make no sense, the whole point of this is to build a ground of trust for when I open my site...
Of course I can just do it with my own funds and I have been, but that doesn't come with the benefit of having a base ground of trust here does it? Then I would have people like you screaming it's a scam like a toddler because you haven't seen it in action and you think it a ponzi scheme...

Do you not understand?

Building trust, is by long term reputation, built on grounds of good quality service, and good reputation in the community.

Reputation can't be bought, or earned from schemes.

If you were very serious about reputation, you wouldn't of done this thread at all, and just over time, making a few purchases, selling some goods,
earning yourself over months or years. To get reputation you need to do whats right and with effort.

Even the best of best ppl, sometimes end up in the very end running away, so ppl are overly careful today, as many schemes have came up,
and I seen a couple, and some where ppl lost a lot of $$$.

Built trust for your site by opening it up, introducing it to others, being a good outstanding community member, etc.

This isn't the right method for opening trust with your site, its the wrong method. Watch and learn.

[lightlord]

I don't see any rules saying gambling services are not allowed nor do I see it a scheme.
A Gambling service is what it states, a gambling service. I've spent time and effort working out the methods now I am using them to benefit others to build a ground of trust with them and with other users here.
And you are not a mentor, someone who is an official or anyone important here so who are you to tell me how reputation should be used around here.
You just need to mind your own business and stop trying to start confrontations  because now you are lecturing me about trust when 5 seconds ago you were just talking about how this is all a scam

So you have a service that adds 25% guaranteed to the amount a user deposits to your address.

Why do you think this is not shady?

[jambola2]

Well , why don't we try just investing small amounts in him.
Maybe we can catch him red-handed and force him to quit , before we go bankrupt

[TheEmperor]

Well , why don't we try just investing small amounts in him.
Maybe we can catch him red-handed and force him to quit , before we go bankrupt

Sent 0.05 and received 0.0624 just under 2 hours later.

http://blockchain.info/fb/1kk5ri3

So as it stands, I vouch for this service up to now...but any discrepancies and/or losses in the future can not be attributed to my vouch.

[Atruk]

Well , why don't we try just investing small amounts in him.
Maybe we can catch him red-handed and force him to quit , before we go bankrupt

Trusting people without history, and without reputation with anything you want to call an "investment" is about as far from actual investment as you can come.

[jambola2]

Well , why don't we try just investing small amounts in him.
Maybe we can catch him red-handed and force him to quit , before we go bankrupt

Trusting people without history, and without reputation with anything you want to call an "investment" is about as far from actual investment as you can come.

jambola2 realises that he is talking to BingoBoingo. He goes into coinchat talking mode.

I am willing to invest 0.03 BTC.
I will send it to you , and will expect 0.0375 within 48 hours.

Either - 7.5 mbtc profit , or one less scammer on the forums ( win - win )
Tell me your bitcoin address now.

[jambola2]

Nevermind , I have sent it to your address , MrGambler.
Send me my return within 48 hours

PROOF ATTACHED : https://blockchain.info/tx/129222b0397a77a54a28bc6c889c79cc337b0dc863afc95d8a113d07ae9f2b4a

[b!z]

It is mathematically impossible for you to beat the house, no matter how many, or how little rolls you make. It doesn't matter if you roll quickly, slowly, or in moderation. You cannot have a +EV in a -EV game like PrimeDice.

You should go back to your big heckxxor forum and sell your "professional gambling service" there with your other 13 year old friends.

I suggest you spend more time learning the fundamental math, before you spread your delusional ideas with other people. A good starting place would be: http://bitcoinreviewer.com/ . There are quite a few articles about topics such as provably fair and responsible gambling that you obviously need to read.

If anybody plans to "invest" BTC into this guy, you would be better off ordering a BFL monarch.

Nevermind , I have sent it to your address , MrGambler.
Send me my return within 48 hours

PROOF ATTACHED : http://prntscr.com/222pve

Do you know what the 'blockchain' is?

[jambola2]

He has neither replied to or confirmed my post in any hours.
MrGambler , have you already run away with my BTC ?