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November 25, 2013, 08:23:44 AM |
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Try to ban this and price for "good" accounts will just rise , and more people will try creating good accounts , lots of spam....useless enforcing on a community that tries to get out of it
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November 25, 2013, 08:47:58 PM |
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I voted yes. Just because accounts can be sold covertly, doesn't mean that nobody will get caught. It's best to make an example of the minority who overtly trade accounts in order to dissuade others from doing the same. So long as people are aware that accounts are being sold, regardless of the rules, they won't put too much stake in someone's reputation. In fact, if there's a section in the rules that says it's against the rules to trade accounts, the more logical conclusion is that people have been doing it. If nobody was trading accounts, then there wouldn't be a need for a rule.
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Walter Rothbard
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November 25, 2013, 08:57:52 PM |
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The act of buying and selling domain names should also be disallowed. It makes it harder for me to trust people.
Stuff that makes it hard for me to trust people should be disallowed. We should have a trustworthy society.
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maursader (OP)
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November 26, 2013, 05:59:35 AM |
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I hate to be the one to say this, but vBulletin has a way of detecting multiple accounts, and where they link to.. surprised SMF doesn't have this, or something like this hasn't been coded yet for SMF, especially for a site this size. You know?
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BadBear
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November 26, 2013, 06:51:14 AM |
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I hate to be the one to say this, but vBulletin has a way of detecting multiple accounts, and where they link to.. surprised SMF doesn't have this, or something like this hasn't been coded yet for SMF, especially for a site this size. You know?
Admins don't care about multiple accounts.
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z3r0
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November 26, 2013, 10:09:09 AM |
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I hate to be the one to say this, but vBulletin has a way of detecting multiple accounts, and where they link to.. surprised SMF doesn't have this, or something like this hasn't been coded yet for SMF, especially for a site this size. You know?
Admins don't care about multiple accounts. Good.
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whiskers75
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November 26, 2013, 07:18:23 PM |
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Add the ability to mark an account as sold That way, people willingly selling their accounts can make it clear
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Walter Rothbard
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November 27, 2013, 04:08:04 PM |
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Add the ability to mark an account as sold That way, people willingly selling their accounts can make it clear
What if you need to know that an account has been sold a second time? What if people lie?
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maursader (OP)
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December 09, 2013, 03:25:44 PM |
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I hate to be the one to say this, but vBulletin has a way of detecting multiple accounts, and where they link to.. surprised SMF doesn't have this, or something like this hasn't been coded yet for SMF, especially for a site this size. You know?
Admins don't care about multiple accounts. I hate to be the one to say this, but it seems like it all starts from here. Which is more or less the root cause of the whole idea behind selling accounts right?
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jackjack
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December 09, 2013, 08:45:19 PM |
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Forbidden = newbies tend to trust older accounts whereas they can still be sold Allowed = newbies trust nobody The latter is far less dangerous and user-friendly
That won't change, get over it
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maursader (OP)
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December 13, 2013, 03:14:16 AM |
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Forbidden = newbies tend to trust older accounts whereas they can still be sold Allowed = newbies trust nobody The latter is far less dangerous and user-friendly
That won't change, get over it
I agree with this in the sense that anyone who is trying to purchase anything must have some sort of common sense, and take every precaution prior to trading etc. Mind you, that's only one part of the effects of account selling. Then comes the other part where the forums get cluttered with inactive accounts, spammers, etc. On another note though, it seems like over half the poll results are against the sale of accounts on the site. Perhaps the higher ups could take a closer look into it? It's not impossible to detect. If vBulletin can, smf has already done so. Just pointing an observation.
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jackjack
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December 13, 2013, 08:11:48 AM |
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Forbidden = newbies tend to trust older accounts whereas they can still be sold Allowed = newbies trust nobody The latter is far less dangerous and user-friendly
That won't change, get over it
I agree with this in the sense that anyone who is trying to purchase anything must have some sort of common sense, and take every precaution prior to trading etc. Mind you, that's only one part of the effects of account selling. Then comes the other part where the forums get cluttered with inactive accounts, spammers, etc. On another note though, it seems like over half the poll results are against the sale of accounts on the site. Perhaps the higher ups could take a closer look into it? It's not impossible to detect. If vBulletin can, smf has already done so. Just pointing an observation. How does the forums getting cluttered with inactive accounts affect you? And how does allowing selling accounts increase the amount of spam? If people buying accounts with high post count value this that much they would spam using their own accounts anyway. Also, currently ALL the spammers I see have a paid signature. Did you compare the incomes of a paid signature and of selling an account?
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December 13, 2013, 08:36:30 AM |
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This poll is not worded fairly. Very few people actually think buying and selling accounts is okay - the only reason 25% of people have voted in favor of buying and selling accounts is because they've gotten past the way you worded it. Account selling at bitcointalk needs to stop. However, there's absolutely nothing that can be done about it. So, feel free to vote in favor of stopping account selling - just understand that if the option you're voting for wins, nothing will be changed because banning account selling will not stop anything. If I don't want to pay higher taxes for a better education system, it doesn't mean "I'm for stupid, uneducated children." If I think abortion should be the choice of the person who is pregnant, it doesn't mean "I'm against life." If I don't think corporations should have to obey stricter environmental laws, it doesn't mean "I'm against the environment." It's so much easier to say "I'm for the environment" or "I'm for educating our children" than it is to say the opposite, because practically nobody is against these things. However, just because something is considered "good," doesn't mean that the proposed process to benefit this cause is necessarily a good idea. Here is how the poll should be written (of course, there still is a slight bias, as the order of the options will affect the voting): Title: Should There Be a Rule Against Buying and Selling Accounts? - Buying and selling of accounts should be prohibited.
- Buying and selling accounts should not be prohibited.
People who are indifferent shouldn't vote. If you want to have an indifferent option, its total should be added to whatever choice is against the change - in this case, that would be "The selling of accounts should not be prohibited." Then, in the post, rather than just explaining your point of view, you should give both points of view in an unbiased fashion. That's what an actual poll would be. Of course, this isn't an actual poll - it's really just a petition (a petition to change nothing...). However, you've made it seem like a poll, even though it's not even close to being a fair poll.
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December 13, 2013, 09:04:18 AM |
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The part I am worried about is the trust system....
If someone have access to 20 accounts, he could make a normal "hero member" super trusted and scam with it, like offering escrow or buying/selling bitcoins or simply sell trust ratings to potential scammers
I understand it will be impossible to prevent selling of accounts privately we should at least ban posts that openly offer to buy accounts
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December 13, 2013, 01:50:53 PM |
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If someone have access to 20 accounts, he could make a normal "hero member" super trusted and scam with it, like offering escrow or buying/selling bitcoins or simply sell trust ratings to potential scammers
You don't understand how the Trust system works.
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December 13, 2013, 02:17:18 PM |
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I don't agree that accounts should be openly allowed to be sold, nor do I agree with the logic that we can't stop it so just let it be. You can't stop it, but you can police it and make it more difficult. I made my points in this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=367586.0An account is a commodity like any other. Why should it be treated differently?
Should we treat your identity/passport/social security number as a commodity to be bought and sold to the highest bidder too? IMO, account selling is somewhat analogous to selling a business.
Not if you're selling it to the mafia as a front to commit crimes and fraud. Obviously there's two sides to this argument, but allowing it seems like you're not only condoning it but encouraging it. My 0.02 BTC.
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maursader (OP)
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December 16, 2013, 08:36:29 PM |
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This poll is not worded fairly. Very few people actually think buying and selling accounts is okay - the only reason 25% of people have voted in favor of buying and selling accounts is because they've gotten past the way you worded it. Account selling at bitcointalk needs to stop. However, there's absolutely nothing that can be done about it. So, feel free to vote in favor of stopping account selling - just understand that if the option you're voting for wins, nothing will be changed because banning account selling will not stop anything. If I don't want to pay higher taxes for a better education system, it doesn't mean "I'm for stupid, uneducated children." If I think abortion should be the choice of the person who is pregnant, it doesn't mean "I'm against life." If I don't think corporations should have to obey stricter environmental laws, it doesn't mean "I'm against the environment." It's so much easier to say "I'm for the environment" or "I'm for educating our children" than it is to say the opposite, because practically nobody is against these things. However, just because something is considered "good," doesn't mean that the proposed process to benefit this cause is necessarily a good idea. Here is how the poll should be written (of course, there still is a slight bias, as the order of the options will affect the voting): Title: Should There Be a Rule Against Buying and Selling Accounts? - Buying and selling of accounts should be prohibited.
- Buying and selling accounts should not be prohibited.
People who are indifferent shouldn't vote. If you want to have an indifferent option, its total should be added to whatever choice is against the change - in this case, that would be "The selling of accounts should not be prohibited." Then, in the post, rather than just explaining your point of view, you should give both points of view in an unbiased fashion. That's what an actual poll would be. Of course, this isn't an actual poll - it's really just a petition (a petition to change nothing...). However, you've made it seem like a poll, even though it's not even close to being a fair poll. I see your point, and I can edit the poll questions to suit it, except for the votes for the indifferent ones. If I do that, we lose 18 votes (at the time I write this). I'm afraid of any sort of backlash this may make. Alternatively, I could zero the votes out essentially restarting the poll, however we would lose 88 votes (at the time of writing this). Thoughts? Edit: I'm taking feedback via comments to get a general feel to see what's the best course of action while upsetting the least amount of people here. All feedback is appreciated.
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jackjack
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December 16, 2013, 08:38:25 PM |
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I could zero the votes out essentially restarting the poll, however we would lose 88 votes (at the time of writing this).
I vote for this
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December 17, 2013, 03:01:44 AM |
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Why not installing a good automaticDouble Account Detection, eg. one Flash-Cookie-based? It would detect 95% of these idiots, because they don't know about Flash Cookies.
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maursader (OP)
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December 17, 2013, 04:01:19 AM |
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Why not installing a good automaticDouble Account Detection, eg. one Flash-Cookie-based? It would detect 95% of these idiots, because they don't know about Flash Cookies.
Wouldn't be a hard thing to do.
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