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September 10, 2018, 09:06:56 AM
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Day trading is good and was a good source of income for many in times past, technical analysis these day fail often because of those who manipulate the market, it is made worse by exchanges putting up incorrect data to traders.
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September 10, 2018, 10:07:30 AM
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Price manipulation always exist on any market, i can see also pump and dump price on stocks market and that mean price manipulation can not be avoid on the any market, although that market regulated. Since the market cap of the asset is low ,will be possible to manipulate it by whales. To avoid more loss in any trading we have to use stop loss and avoid use exchange that not provide this feature.

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September 10, 2018, 11:51:25 AM
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I have been day trading Bitcoin for a few months now. Overall I'm pretty much making nothing and losing nothing. It seems to me that there is no logic at all to the market. No matter how much research you do, how much you look at the technical's and how much you try to hedge you absolutely can't predict the massive dumps that happen every day. They appear out of nowhere at random times and drop the market by $200 - $300 at a time.

This smacks of huge manipulation of the market. They are making it impossible to trade with bitcoin in any way other than a pure gamble. Anyone else noticing this?

It is pretty obvious for what the market is going to do by just watching the daily chart. Maybe your are crucially trading every moment the market does something?
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September 10, 2018, 12:29:00 PM
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Price manipulation always exist on any market, i can see also pump and dump price on stocks market and that mean price manipulation can not be avoid on the any market, although that market regulated. Since the market cap of the asset is low ,will be possible to manipulate it by whales. To avoid more loss in any trading we have to use stop loss and avoid use exchange that not provide this feature.
We could say that manipulation is bad but we can't rid them out since they are parts of crypto development. Crypto investment is just a full of risk and only risk takers might survive in here. We often to say that, those whales are taking advantage over other as they capabilities to do so.

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September 10, 2018, 01:08:31 PM
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The market is declining as the day-to-day mining is likely to make a profit, if held for a long time the price of coins continued to fall, I find it not very feasible.

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September 10, 2018, 01:28:26 PM
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Yes indeed. Currently, the market is unpredictable as much as possible. I also think that there are market manipulations so that most traders panicked and sold their coins. In general, trading is the flow of money from the pockets of some players into the pockets of others.

Of course, any trading market has manipulators

even at stocks, forex and regular market prices, there are still manipulators

Its already existed, get used to it, and make profit from it

even a small fish could do a roller coaster ride with the whales
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September 10, 2018, 01:57:44 PM
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Price manipulation always exist on any market, i can see also pump and dump price on stocks market and that mean price manipulation can not be avoid on the any market, although that market regulated. Since the market cap of the asset is low ,will be possible to manipulate it by whales. To avoid more loss in any trading we have to use stop loss and avoid use exchange that not provide this feature.
We could say that manipulation is bad but we can't rid them out since they are parts of crypto development. Crypto investment is just a full of risk and only risk takers might survive in here. We often to say that, those whales are taking advantage over other as they capabilities to do so.

Crypto world is really risky that's why we need to be careful everytime we invest our money, we can predict what will be happen for tommorow, but we are not sure if our prediction will really happen because it's just a prediction.

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September 10, 2018, 01:58:10 PM
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If you want to make a profit, you have to be very patient and have deep knowledge. In my opinion, it is necessary for you to make a profit from this market
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September 10, 2018, 05:28:38 PM
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If you want to make a profit, you have to be very patient and have deep knowledge. In my opinion, it is necessary for you to make a profit from this market
Knowledge is actually the main ingredient needed for any successful trade. Anyone without it would always have manipulations to blame for their losses. Analysis also are not totally meant to be right 100% based on the direction you anticipate, if it is that way, I am sure professional traders will not even be using stop loss. A lot of traders always want to expect things to turn out in the direction they please, but it is market, a volatile one for that matter and can simply decide to take  different turn. One good reason for a good risk reward ratio level.


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September 10, 2018, 05:43:32 PM
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If you want to make a profit, you have to be very patient and have deep knowledge. In my opinion, it is necessary for you to make a profit from this market
Knowledge is actually the main ingredient needed for any successful trade. Anyone without it would always have manipulations to blame for their losses. Analysis also are not totally meant to be right 100% based on the direction you anticipate, if it is that way, I am sure professional traders will not even be using stop loss. A lot of traders always want to expect things to turn out in the direction they please, but it is market, a volatile one for that matter and can simply decide to take  different turn. One good reason for a good risk reward ratio level.

If by knowledge you mean technical analysis that I'm afraid this is not how most markets work, and financial markets are the ones where it doesn't work most. Or why do you think the vast majority of traders are losing in the long term? Do they lack knowledge or what? The truth is in such markets you can't survive and not because of market manipulators but because of people who regularly milk the market in certain ways. Milking means sure profits, but who do you think these profits come from? Obviously, the profits come from other traders as there is no other source. As it turns out, the only way you can beat the rest of your fellow traders is by using things like arbitrage, insider info, and other such things which give you an advantage over the pack.
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September 10, 2018, 05:44:50 PM
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If you trade using certain proven strategy and it gets ruined by pump or dump, i wouldn't stop using it. In a sense you did the right thing according to indicators etc. but something abnormal ruined it, it doesn't mean you were wrong. Therefore no need to change the strategy.
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September 10, 2018, 05:46:25 PM
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Day trading is good and was a good source of income for many in times past, technical analysis these day fail often because of those who manipulate the market, it is made worse by exchanges putting up incorrect data to traders.

If you get it right and can make some money then it is a good thing as you can keep earning some money which can help you to atleast pay some sort of bills and this will also act as a part time income and you can support your family as well.

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September 10, 2018, 06:18:22 PM
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Day trading is good and was a good source of income for many in times past, technical analysis these day fail often because of those who manipulate the market, it is made worse by exchanges putting up incorrect data to traders.

If you get it right and can make some money then it is a good thing as you can keep earning some money which can help you to atleast pay some sort of bills and this will also act as a part time income and you can support your family as well.


Not a god idea. As stated before, the market is quite often subject to manipulation, so if you're a regular trader with just enough funds, then it's not a reliable source of steady income.

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September 11, 2018, 08:32:44 AM
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Yes indeed. Currently, the market is unpredictable as much as possible. I also think that there are market manipulations so that most traders panicked and sold their coins. In general, trading is the flow of money from the pockets of some players into the pockets of others.
That is usually the idea of the manipulation anyway.
The whales see it as an advantage to make profit off the weak hands and the ignorant traders that occupy the space.

Panicking is all part of the process the whales count on and a lot of people who usually end up panicking and making the wrong market decisions based on the little or no knowledge they have are always the ones who usually end up the victim of manipulation. Day trading most especially requires a lot of experience and you really want to be sure you have that before proceeding.

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September 11, 2018, 08:36:16 AM
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I believe that everything you describe, the most ridiculous thing is that I find that investing in the cryptocurrency market requires luck, not how good your data analysis is!
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If you trade today and lose your coin price today Think you are at risk and if you are just starting to trade today and want to start to buy a coin you are luck and you can afford a cheap ethereum right now.

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Yes, I also think that the market is being manipulated. He is very unpredictable and it is very difficult to predict how he will move.




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September 12, 2018, 02:07:08 PM
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I believe that everything you describe, the most ridiculous thing is that I find that investing in the cryptocurrency market requires luck, not how good your data analysis is!
Luck can only be applicable in the level at which what your investment grows over a short period compared to other markets which is something you obviously cannot know until it happens. This is the reason why it is usually good to put your eggs into at least few baskets, to be able to cut across in the profit as well as the loss as the case may be. Heavy manipulation will always be there, it is only left for you to understand what you are doing, have a strategy and play with the manipulations to your advantage.

If you trade today and lose your coin price today Think you are at risk and if you are just starting to trade today and want to start to buy a coin you are luck and you can afford a cheap ethereum right now.
This is not even about cheap Ethereum, this is certainly about how vast you are and knowledgeable you are when it comes to trading effectively. Day trading is a high risk and you really want to be ready to learn as much as possible, gain some pretty good experience by practicing with funds from demo trades and seeing how good you go over time. In that case, you will be sure to get something substantial from it without adding any serious emotion at all when it comes to you trading.



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September 12, 2018, 02:18:00 PM
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Cryotocurrency market is completely open and manipulation is not peculiar to cryptocurrency alone,  this type of trading behaviour exist in every market! It is also important to use diverse tools in assessing the market.  TA is no just  enough, you must know the fundenmental  behind the coin been traded!

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September 12, 2018, 04:23:59 PM
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I have been day trading Bitcoin for a few months now. Overall I'm pretty much making nothing and losing nothing. It seems to me that there is no logic at all to the market. No matter how much research you do, how much you look at the technical's and how much you try to hedge you absolutely can't predict the massive dumps that happen every day. They appear out of nowhere at random times and drop the market by $200 - $300 at a time.

This smacks of huge manipulation of the market. They are making it impossible to trade with bitcoin in any way other than a pure gamble. Anyone else noticing this?
Yes I quite agree with you. No matter what you do, you cannot be 100 % sure about what will happen the next day and obviously you cannot afford to be wrong at making predictions every time. But at the same time, I think that’s what professional traders are all about. No matter what is the situation of the market, they know how to create the best for themselves. Trading is game which everyone cannot play.
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