[HAVELOCK] CasinoBitco.in CBTC

[MPOE-PR]

You know you don't HAVE to post, right?

I'm doing my job. I'm paid specifically to post in threads distinguished by empty words and sugar shill sprinkles like yourself.

Bring a valid point (that'd mean, about the actual topic, not me personally) or stfu.

[mannybitcoins]

You know you don't HAVE to post, right?

I'm doing my job. I'm paid specifically to post in threads distinguished by empty words and sugar shill sprinkles like yourself.

Bring a valid point (that'd mean, about the actual topic, not me personally) or stfu.

Okay then. Great report CasinoBitco.in, I've yet to see such a comprehensive report from other securities, and I hope you keep this up.

Are you really paid to post in thread and basically troll? Who pays you to do this?

[acorcos]

Are you really paid to post in thread and basically troll? Who pays you to do this?

Don't encourage her. Please.

[scotjam]

Are you really paid to post in thread and basically troll? Who pays you to do this?

Don't encourage her. Please.

I'd be surprised if MPOE is actually a her; I think it's a PR rep for an options exchange - http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.MPOE.

scotjam

[acorcos]

I'd be surprised if MPOE is actually a her

I guess the joke was lost without an emoticon

[phaskie]

Keep on topic guys, please.  No need to feed the troll.

5.4% annual ROI at 0.0001,2.98% annual ROI at 0.000181 .
And you are planning to release the left 557,594 shares.Are you going to make a lower price in order to sold them all?
Sportsbook lost 16 btc in 15/11～1/12.Why have a lost again? Do you really now it,and have some plan?
I think you guys need to think about the investor's feel.

Kololo,
Agreed, we need a strong plan in place. We do hope to significantly grow the dividend over the coming months.
We're gaining a lot of traffic and players with the growth of bitcoin;
Plus, in the short-term, we're counting on our new Affiliates platform and upcoming Roulette and Sportsbook upgrades to increase growth (we're having many sites pick up Affiliates already).
The sportsbook loss in the 2nd half essentially comes down to our limits being higher there than in casino - causing swings to happen more easily. We will be sure to continue to evaluate the best practices of CBTC in this regard and that we've configured everything correctly.

We haven't made any decisions on the release of additional units yet, but will keep everyone updated.

This is all great news.  I also had some concerns with some of the sportsbook numbers, so thanks for addressing them.  A few pages back there was some discussion about a site redesign.  Is there any news about this?

[scotjam]

I'd be surprised if MPOE is actually a her

I guess the joke was lost without an emoticon

Haha - sorry - I do that in real life too. Unfortunately there are no clear emoticons in real life.

On a different topic, the price performance of CBTC is pretty bizarre. The price goes down in BTC as the company announces positive results, seemingly due to a rise in BTC prices (and the fiat ties that the company has). A bit odd, but fair enough.

CBTC announces strong growth, profitability in sportsbook, 5% p.a. dividend (that will rise - awesome) and BTC price drops by about 35%... and the price of CBTC declines slightly.

The only conclusions I could draw are that either there is still an overhang of concern about sportsbook risk (maybe this was just a lucky month) but even then you'd think the situation looks better than last month, or that that CBTC is not very liquid. This *has* to normalise once it becomes clear that profits (and the dividend) are stable and growing.

scotjam

[Jungian]

They really haven't shown profitability in the sportsbook yet tho. I think that is the biggest concern!

[scotjam]

They really haven't shown profitability in the sportsbook yet tho. I think that is the biggest concern!

It's true that it is only marginal profitability, but surely the fact that it is no longer a drag on the business should be worth something (if they can keep it that way). The last two months, the sportsbook was -87 and -35; this month +2.4. The trajectory of sports definitely seems to be in the right direction but the BTC and $ denominated share price went down (a bit and a lot respectively).

The only way I could see to justify this is if a) CBTC was massively overpriced for the last couple of months (or is very illiquid now), or b) you don't believe the sportsbook trajectory and believe instead that there is huge overhang risk from sports and we just got lucky this month. Does that make sense?

scotjam

[MPOE-PR]

Okay then. Great report CasinoBitco.in, I've yet to see such a comprehensive report from other securities, and I hope you keep this up.

Are you really paid to post in thread and basically troll? Who pays you to do this?

Seriously, go shill somewhere else. The fact that you either don't have the ability or the patience to read and understand your environment doesn't mean that bs beleaguered with errors and problems constitutes "comprehensive reports", just like the other shills' problems accepting their failures to read and understand doesn't make what they're shilling for any better.

You don't get to push scams here by trying to paint me. Many have tried, and if you'd spent an iota of time figuring shit out, you'd notice they've meanwhile been buried.

[acorcos]

They really haven't shown profitability in the sportsbook yet tho. I think that is the biggest concern!

It's true that it is only marginal profitability, but surely the fact that it is no longer a drag on the business should be worth something (if they can keep it that way). The last two months, the sportsbook was -87 and -35; this month +2.4. The trajectory of sports definitely seems to be in the right direction but the BTC and $ denominated share price went down (a bit and a lot respectively).

The only way I could see to justify this is if a) CBTC was massively overpriced for the last couple of months (or is very illiquid now), or b) you don't believe the sportsbook trajectory and believe instead that there is huge overhang risk from sports and we just got lucky this month. Does that make sense?

scotjam

Not terribly concerned about the sportsbook profit. Attractive lines and the occasional sports bet win are like a hook in the lip of a gambler. A gambler that will linger and spend in the more profit-reliable casino. The lines/max bets just can't be so attractive as to risk the war chest, but I think CBTC has figured this out.

As regards the stock price, who knows? Small trading market, fiat rate fluctuations, fickle short-term investing, all play a role to some extent. Personally, I'm happy to re-invest at a bargain and be spared the temptation to sell a run-up would surely provoke. My only real concern with the lower stock price is a potential buy-out (remember satoshidice). But I trust Tim is in it for the long haul.

[phaskie]

They really haven't shown profitability in the sportsbook yet tho. I think that is the biggest concern!

It's true that it is only marginal profitability, but surely the fact that it is no longer a drag on the business should be worth something (if they can keep it that way). The last two months, the sportsbook was -87 and -35; this month +2.4. The trajectory of sports definitely seems to be in the right direction but the BTC and $ denominated share price went down (a bit and a lot respectively).

The only way I could see to justify this is if a) CBTC was massively overpriced for the last couple of months (or is very illiquid now), or b) you don't believe the sportsbook trajectory and believe instead that there is huge overhang risk from sports and we just got lucky this month. Does that make sense?

scotjam

Not terribly concerned about the sportsbook profit. Attractive lines and the occasional sports bet win are like a hook in the lip of a gambler. A gambler that will linger and spend in the more profit-reliable casino. The lines/max bets just can't be so attractive as to risk the war chest, but I think CBTC has figured this out.

As regards the stock price, who knows? Small trading market, fiat rate fluctuations, fickle short-term investing, all play a role to some extent. Personally, I'm happy to re-invest at a bargain and be spared the temptation to sell a run-up would surely provoke. My only real concern with the lower stock price is a potential buy-out (remember satoshidice). But I trust Tim is in it for the long haul.

The dividend plays a part.  Lots of short term investors just got their payoff and are looking for something else.  Things are looking promising for the next year.

[phaskie]

Your posts so far in this thread:

Well, at least you're still throwing empty jargon like "industry best" around.  

I'm doing my job. I'm paid specifically to post in threads distinguished by empty words and sugar shill sprinkles like yourself.

Bring a valid point (that'd mean, about the actual topic, not me personally) or stfu.

Seriously, go shill somewhere else. The fact that you either don't have the ability or the patience to read and understand your environment doesn't mean that bs beleaguered with errors and problems constitutes "comprehensive reports", just like the other shills' problems accepting their failures to read and understand doesn't make what they're shilling for any better.

You don't get to push scams here by trying to paint me. Many have tried, and if you'd spent an iota of time figuring shit out, you'd notice they've meanwhile been buried.

(not including the text of posts you've replied with).

Is this your job?  Who pays for this, and how do you contribute?  Is whoever paying for you to do this getting their money worth?  All you've done is insult people and added nothing to the discussion about the company or the stock price.  If you have a legitimate complaint or issue about the company or their share price, maybe you could post that instead of trolling?

[mannybitcoins]

Okay then. Great report CasinoBitco.in, I've yet to see such a comprehensive report from other securities, and I hope you keep this up.

Are you really paid to post in thread and basically troll? Who pays you to do this?

Seriously, go shill somewhere else. The fact that you either don't have the ability or the patience to read and understand your environment doesn't mean that bs beleaguered with errors and problems constitutes "comprehensive reports", just like the other shills' problems accepting their failures to read and understand doesn't make what they're shilling for any better.

You don't get to push scams here by trying to paint me. Many have tried, and if you'd spent an iota of time figuring shit out, you'd notice they've meanwhile been buried.

Well, at least your still throwing empty jargon like "scam" around.  

I won't respond anymore to you, don't want this to turn into "one of those" threads. I'm not paid to waste people's time like you are.

[MPOE-PR]

Is this your job?  Who pays for this, and how do you contribute?  Is whoever paying for you to do this getting their money worth?  All you've done is insult people and added nothing to the discussion about the company or the stock price.  If you have a legitimate complaint or issue about the company or their share price, maybe you could post that instead of trolling?

Or maybe you could stop and think for a minute, on either of these two points: 1. that a no-name fuckwit with a two month history (ie, you) does not get the right to an opinion, on any topic or subject; 2. that no-name fuckwits proclaiming that x has value or y has "no value" matters not one whit. I speak on this venue backed with the full force and credit of Bitcoin's largest financial entity, and for that matter, the oldest. What I say is not optional, and especially not to random no-name fuckwits born this October. Which means you.

[scotjam]

Is this your job?  Who pays for this, and how do you contribute?  Is whoever paying for you to do this getting their money worth?  All you've done is insult people and added nothing to the discussion about the company or the stock price.  If you have a legitimate complaint or issue about the company or their share price, maybe you could post that instead of trolling?

Or maybe you could stop and think for a minute, on either of these two points: 1. that a no-name fuckwit with a two month history (ie, you) does not get the right to an opinion, on any topic or subject; 2. that no-name fuckwits proclaiming that x has value or y has "no value" matters not one whit. I speak on this venue backed with the full force and credit of Bitcoin's largest financial entity, and for that matter, the oldest. What I say is not optional, and especially not to random no-name fuckwits born this October. Which means you.

The organisation that MPOE-PR speaks on behalf of is very credible, and well known for being quite intellectually and financially elitist.
For those who are not familiar, MPOE is linked to MPEX which is I believe the oldest bitcoin-denominated exchange (i.e. a Havelock competitor) - review here: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1108

I'm not sure how that qualifies (or justifies) MPOE-PR joining a thread about a Havelock-listed company and throwing insults and allegations around without backing up any assertions.

MPOE-PR - You may think that what you say is "not optional", but anything that anyone says is definitely optional reading for anyone else on these forums, simply because anyone can click the ignore button on anyone else. Judging by your ignore button (which is quite yellow) it looks like quite a few people have exercised that option.

What is the message you're trying to get across? That Havelock is a scam? That CBTC is a scam? How do you justify this?

[acorcos]

Judging by your ignore button (which is quite yellow) it looks like quite a few people have exercised that option.

What is the message you're trying to get across? That Havelock is a scam? That CBTC is a scam? How do you justify this?

Scotjam, thanks for pointing out the ignore option - had not noticed that. So glad to be rid of her vile posts.

But please, please, stop encouraging her. She's obscene and irrelevant, and will only take your questions as an invitation to continue to high jack this thread.

[MPOE-PR]

I'm not sure how that qualifies (or justifies) MPOE-PR joining a thread about a Havelock-listed company and throwing insults and allegations around without backing up any assertions.

I thought it would've been pretty clear from my initial post that the problem was OP's empty use of laudatory titles like "industry best" despite OP's clear inability to produce financial reports in a sane manner. To wit:

November results posted:https://www.havelockinvestments.com/reportdownload.php?id=44

Financials: google docs
Metrics: google docs

Notice:

Please disregard the attached update:
https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=CBTC#ui-tabs-6
This appears to be some type of error/glitch and has nothing to do with CBTC or our financials.

Update:

Please disregard the "Next dividend" column on Havelock's funds page - That is incorrect, and will be based on results of December, and we intend for it to be larger than the current one from November.

Just so you know:

Link is not working

Check spelling. You meant disregard not regard.

Yes, producing reports is a good thing. No, it's not okay to claim you're doing anything "industry best" while you fuck up your reports multiple times and ultimately fail to present them in any reasonable venue.

[mannybitcoins]

I'm not sure how that qualifies (or justifies) MPOE-PR joining a thread about a Havelock-listed company and throwing insults and allegations around without backing up any assertions.

I thought it would've been pretty clear from my initial post that the problem was OP's empty use of laudatory titles like "industry best" despite OP's clear inability to produce financial reports in a sane manner. To wit:

November results posted:https://www.havelockinvestments.com/reportdownload.php?id=44

Financials: google docs
Metrics: google docs

Notice:

Please disregard the attached update:
https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=CBTC#ui-tabs-6
This appears to be some type of error/glitch and has nothing to do with CBTC or our financials.

Update:

Please disregard the "Next dividend" column on Havelock's funds page - That is incorrect, and will be based on results of December, and we intend for it to be larger than the current one from November.

Just so you know:

Link is not working

Check spelling. You meant disregard not regard.

Yes, producing reports is a good thing. No, it's not okay to claim you're doing anything "industry best" while you fuck up your reports multiple times and ultimately fail to present them in any reasonable venue.

OP made references to "industry best HTML5 Roulette" and "industry best affiliate program".

If you want to nit-pick and be dramatic about it, no one can make an argument against the HTML5 Roulette game since it has yet to go live, and I believe the affiliate program is actually an industry best since it gives commission based off the amounts waged, whether won or lost by the referral player. Other affiliate programs only give commission based off of net revenues gathered from the referral players.

If you feel the need to spread your opinions on public forums, at least do us a favor and provide some facts and reasoning behind your claims.

If you cannot come up with any of the two, then GTFO.

[MPOE-PR]

OP made references to "industry best HTML5 Roulette" and "industry best affiliate program".

If you want to nit-pick and be dramatic about it, no one can make an argument against the HTML5 Roulette game since it has yet to go live, and I believe the affiliate program is actually an industry best since it gives commission based off the amounts waged, whether won or lost by the referral player. Other affiliate programs only give commission based off of net revenues gathered from the referral players.

If you feel the need to spread your opinions on public forums, at least do us a favor and provide some facts and reasoning behind your claims.

If you cannot come up with any of the two, then GTFO.

Nobody's being dramatic but you and the various newbs cultivating blood pressure problems over the notion that standards exist.

Now, read my last sentence again. If it's still not clear to you what the problem is, imagine a "car" with an engine that doesn't run being advertised as having "industry best hubcaps". It's a problem, fixing it is required, the correct response is to fix it, not to try shooing away anyone who notices the broken engine.