[ANN] BYTEPAY [BEPAY] POW - MASTERNODESCAM - HODLSCAM - NEOSCAM CropCoin

[kevinmark1]

This guys was demanding some bytepay from me and told me he would Create Fud if i didnot pay him and then he deleted his messages.He created account for this purpose see all newbies here.
i couldnot give him ransom so he created this.Now you can decide who is telling the truth.You all will see when we are on exchanges

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[kevinmark1]

.You cant remove any of my comment in your post Lier.Keep fudding i wont pay you any FREE COINS that you demand.
These 3 guys notblox and two other brand news  have been Demanding ransom for no fud and then they removed comments and blocked me.please dont believe them.Thank you all for your love

[osnwt]

Guys,

as a former long-term supporter of his previous project, CropCoin, let me tell you what exactly you would expect from this new project considering how that past project was run, and all those issues you could find in its source code. I try to be as honest as possible regardless of his last message to me ("f..k off").

PROs:

• he will sell you masternodes
• he will support the project for some time (maybe month, maybe year)
• he will make some changes in the project to keep high ROI (in coins) while possible
• coin will be on exchanges, yes, the same as crop - CB and CE
• those who are early birds, may and, highly likely, WILL make some money

CONs:

• this project is a next clone of previous one
• it uses old codebase with a lot of issues
• to keep ROI high usual practice was to make blockchain forks every week or two. If you are not checking discord every day or two, you may probably miss update point and start loosing your masternode awards or mining rewards (they will be in another blockchain fork)
• when lot of people enter the project, the premine of 4 million coins will go dumping in parts - the same way as crop's 2 million were dumped
• the price will go down, crop's price went from 39000 sat/coin (as I bought it) to 3000-5000 sat/coins (when I sold out), and many people left it at high loss
• this project has no innovations or clear whitepaper. CROPs innovations were tiered masternodes which are the way to keep interest to the project and coin price from falling. But actually they have no meaning at all, and due to variable number of different nodes, the daily supply will jump up and down, and create unpredictable inflation.
• support on discord is irregular and sparse. The team consisted from a single "dev" which obviously does not code, since no single tech question was answered
• "dev" lied to coin holders about plans. Say, he promised that "community will vote for reward structure", but when time's come, he just set fixed values, and to all questions he just wrote "we set the best for community". All this ignoring a lot of calculations and spreadsheets few user published being concerned
• he ignores or rejects all offers to help with coding, web site or running services, but at the same time says "it's community project"
• no team means no updates. Check crop web site, it is obsolete. Here will be the same. People were mining that coin a moths later after it went PoS only with no mining. And they lost money paying bills and not able to sell coins. The answer was "check discord and update". Let me add: check every day/week
• not being a real developer, the code work is being made by other people. Including building of GUI wallets. GitHub does not cointain all files necessary to build Windows, Linux and Mac wallets, they are distributed as binary only files. Now is the same - Windows GUI is published, MacOS GUI in past project was published on GoogleDrive few days after releases/updates, Linux GUI wallet was never published at all. That's because of old code base taken instead of new one. On all offers to build all 3 platforms at once after adding missing files he answered nothing
• As a result, someone else builds GUI released. You can't do that easily. I made those, but using some parts from other coins, since dev either ignored my requests for missing files, or said "all is published" - well, where is the /share directory needed to build GUI, and where is macdeploy script needed to build a MacOS app bundle? They are built from no one knows which code and by no one knows whom
• with past project, this "dev" even was not able to setup own blockchain explorer and used gos.cx pool's one. Now is the same, use 3rd party offer. You still think it is a good project?
• When you ask too many "bad" questions, they will be deleted first, and your account banned next
• I can show proof to any of these statements, more are listed here. For instance, ask him how to build Linux GUI wallet from the source published. Or Windows. Or MacOS. I bet the answer will be like "we provide all you need ready to use, no need to build" since he is NOT a CODER/DEV, and, perhaps, he has never built any GUI himself

So the conclusion:

• You may invest in it and even make a lot of money. But as well you may lose a lot in BTC if you miss dump point in time
• Yes, ROI in coins is great. But ROI in BTC may be negative. Be aware.

What should be improved, at least, to make such "project" a bit more attractive:

• up to date web site
• own real, not fake, coders in the team, not subcontractors
• own, not 3rd party, blockchain explorer
• own tiered masternode stats page (if we tell about this like an innovation)
• full source code published, so everyone can build 1) command line node for VPS, 2) Windows GUI wallet, 3) MacOS GUI wallet, 4) Linux GUI wallet
• better if all this will use new code base with qmake/cmake/configure system instead of hard-coded fixed libs

Then you may safely invest. But don't ask too many questions apart from "how to install masternode". Otherwise you may receive the same answer as me after a month of supporting his users on Discord: "f..k off, a.. hole", proof is here (in the end).

[Lucky-marsik]

You just registered to post this thread? Newbie acc with one post

You should say thanks to him for heading up. See my post above, is my account a bit better?

for that he say thank you, I opened the topic with garbage. The idea is really bad.

[osnwt]

If anybody wants to have some FUN, here is the code difference between his old project, CropCoin, and his new project, BytePay:

https://github.com/osnwt/ScamCoin/commit/cff1e467238da67784014e746f08068fbac867a5

As you may see, it is exactly the same source code. He just renamed coin everywhere and removed some parts of code which had to support legacy epoch of initial Crop history (before tiered masternodes). He was even lazy to change references to 1000 coins for masternode since new coin has masternodes starting from 5000 coins. And also there is no (at first glance) any sign of HODLBANK innovation, too.

So ask yourself: if there is a running project (CropCoin) with some market price, which is on exchanges, which has established user base, WHY TO CLONE IT again instead of running the existing one? The answer is simple: old crop premine has dumped. Now with new project to premine (has finished), masternode sales (in progress), dump (soon) - and to the next one :-)

Have fun!

[GreenPanda]

Same as Sparks, Rapture, Phobos, Cerberus, Crowdcoin, Race, Dinero, Infinex, Force, Stipend, Endorphin, VIVO, Innova, Cropcoin, etc, etc, etc... Everything that comes off BSOD's pool and Stocks.Exchange conjointly... Pattern is exactly the same each time. (50% MN Reward, Airdrops, Bounty, Discord auctions, "Small premine" to run masternodes, and a pure flatline on the charts for those left at the end)

[osnwt]

Same as Sparks, Rapture, Phobos, Cerberus, Crowdcoin, Race, Dinero, Infinex, Force, Stipend, Endorphin, VIVO, Innova, Cropcoin, etc, etc, etc...

No-no-no!

Let's compare with Cerberus (since I run it's masternode, I know that code). It is MUCH better from tech (source code) point of view. Let me show some differences:

• Cerberus has own explorer http://exp.cerberuscoin.com. It is 15 minute task to install, but crop did not bother doing that at all.
• Cerberus has all 3 platform GUI wallets released https://github.com/cerberuscore/Cerberus/releases.
• Cerberus has full source code with configure/auto-tools build system to build for all 3 major platforms. I personally built the Mac distribution for my MacBook Pro and confirm that it is easily buildable.
• Compare sources for Cerberus https://github.com/cerberuscore/cerberus, CropCoin https://github.com/Cropdev/CropDev and BytePay https://github.com/bytepaydev/Bytepay. That is exactly what I meant saying that CROP/BEPAY uses very old and problematic codebase which doesn't allow you to build GUI unless you add something extra from other projects (actually just images and string resources, but WTF do not add them if you are dev and not "dev"?)
• Cerberus has no issues with masternode payments. Crop and similar coins had them a lot, but due to work by Sergio (the real contractor-coder used by crop "dev") they were fixed somehow. Still, try "masternode winners" command and you find that there is an empty list for both Crop and BePay, and populated list for Cerberus.

All this neither Crop nor BePay has.

From SCAM point of view I do not argue. But, at least, a new code could be taken for new coin, and since that "dev" can't "dev", he uses and reuses the same crappy code which no one of new coins use. Again, doing a new coin for the real use why base the development on a very old codebase and then lie on public that "90% of coins use the same code"? The answer was given above: premine, MN sale, dump with least efforts.

[notblox1]

I have screenshot of our full conversation...as a proof,
but he destroyed himself enough already, with his own actions.

Anyway... I am safe keeping the screenshot as 'Ace in my sleeve'

I examined Crop coin also...
and I can confirm that is the same guy or small scam team.
Credits and thanks to osnwt

[GreenPanda]

@osnwt I got ya, I got to admit that I haven't dive into the codes of these coins... Seeing so much of that same pattern on the OP turns me off from diving into each of these...

[More.Hash]

I really, really, really appreciate all those who are grounded and brave enough to raise their voices.

The only thing i really feel sad about: i do not have way enough merit points to honor all your true words.

I am not a coder, im am not a dev, but the pattern of graviex, that was pointed out some postings before came to my mind as well.

And again a thank you from the bottom of my heart (the one who is meant will know it)

[osnwt]

GreenPanda,

playing with the crop code a lot to find out what can I do to help fixing it, I found around 4 kinds of code most of coins are based upon. It uses the oldest one, there are few others. Now just looking at the source, I can tell you which issues I might expect from that code. But it does not even include the overall project look and support level. I would never invest in a project which can't run own blockchain explorer. This was my 1st MN experience, and I've learnt a lot. Now is time to go ahead and don't look back.

Still, I just wanted to warn new users what they should expect from this new "project" since I know internals. They still can invest and make a lot of money. But they should be aware of no future for this coin after dump just because there is nothing behind it, JAM (Just Another Masternode).

[Altpays]

GreenPanda,

playing with the crop code a lot to find out what can I do to help fixing it, I found around 4 kinds of code most of coins are based upon. It uses the oldest one, there are few others. Now just looking at the source, I can tell you which issues I might expect from that code. But it does not even include the overall project look and support level. I would never invest in a project which can't run own blockchain explorer. This was my 1st MN experience, and I've learnt a lot. Now is time to go ahead and don't look back.

Still, I just wanted to warn new users what they should expect from this new "project" since I know internals. They still can invest and make a lot of money. But they should be aware of no future for this coin after dump just because there is nothing behind it, JAM (Just Another Masternode).

Well, all you wrote is about 99% of MN coins. So the project is just like others

[osnwt]

Looking at the goals, yes.

But since I am a tech guy, I look deeper and was surprised how bad it was established, and how easy was to buy its coins to be hooked. 99% of people do not look at this until they have issues. And then they start asking, and then...

So better be informed now, than regret later. At least, people know what they should look at to make an informed decision.

[MBible]

110%scam

[laur2017]

  Another SCAM project??? :/

[notblox1]

SCAM ALERT REMINDER !!!

Avoid and report SCAM coins BytePay and CropCoin.
They are both creation of same twisted mind dev.

- Using same duplicate code and Masternode presale scam.
- Using same self-moderated altered fake forum topic and Discord nazzy regime
- Steal BTC from people in presale and exit

Read more from page 1:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3283379.0

[Renegade1979]

Scam or not but the guy invites to Discord with invalid link and doesn't even care about it though I wouldn't mind getting some free 10 coins for a retweet. Never heard freebies hurt somebody especially if that's Qbic or Gobyte though retweets are not quite freebies but hard work that involves spamming ur followers... anyway no Discord unless I get invited by somebody

[osnwt]

This is the distinguishing feature of these projects - negligence to detail.

[notblox1]

More proof showing clear connection
SCAM  CropCoin dev - same as BytePay dev...
and most of the coins with selfmoderated topics in Bitcointalk forum

[grendel25]

I know there is a scam accusation section on the boards but I think it is better to relocate the scam accusation to someplace easier to see or to just let them stay in the location where the scam is also located.

I hardly ever switch over to the scam accusation part of the board.  Maybe I should more often.  However, it would also be more effective if there were a scam awareness child board for each major topic/sub topic.