Black Arrow R9-12 threads, DZ Miners Co-op. Plz move ?s and discussion here.

[achtung082]

Well now it's 2.8thash, still a lot lower than before the move.  What happened?  I thought we finally had these hashrate demons beat but it's still underperforming badly

Noticed and thought the same thing. FIAB?

We have the new breakers going in, so the hash rate is going to fluctuate till we have them all moved over, then back up to the 3.5+thash lvl.

Any ETA on completion of the breaker work?

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[thomas_s]

Well now it's 2.8thash, still a lot lower than before the move.  What happened?  I thought we finally had these hashrate demons beat but it's still underperforming badly

Noticed and thought the same thing. FIAB?

We have the new breakers going in, so the hash rate is going to fluctuate till we have them all moved over, then back up to the 3.5+thash lvl.

Any ETA on completion of the breaker work?

Was finished yesterday found out 2 of the replacements aren't working and will be troubleshooting them today

[philipma1957]

Well now it's 2.8thash, still a lot lower than before the move.  What happened?  I thought we finally had these hashrate demons beat but it's still underperforming badly

Noticed and thought the same thing. FIAB?

We have the new breakers going in, so the hash rate is going to fluctuate till we have them all moved over, then back up to the 3.5+thash lvl.

Any ETA on completion of the breaker work?

Was finished yesterday found out 2 of the replacements aren't working and will be troubleshooting them today

wow

I hope that r17 gear is better then this has been.

[thomas_s]

Well now it's 2.8thash, still a lot lower than before the move.  What happened?  I thought we finally had these hashrate demons beat but it's still underperforming badly

Noticed and thought the same thing. FIAB?

We have the new breakers going in, so the hash rate is going to fluctuate till we have them all moved over, then back up to the 3.5+thash lvl.

Any ETA on completion of the breaker work?

Was finished yesterday found out 2 of the replacements aren't working and will be troubleshooting them today

wow

I hope that r17 gear is better then this has been.

Out of the number that are good 2 not working is fairly acceptable

[achtung082]

Just hoping R17 even ships close to on time.

[testerx]

Well, I hope that the reliability of Black Arrow's bitfury boards isn't a preview of how reliable their prospero boards are going to be, if they're as problematic as these have been it might be yet another nightmare to keep hashrate up.  At least there will be less boards but if a board goes out it'll be a huge hit to hashrate.

[thomas_s]

Well, I hope that the reliability of Black Arrow's bitfury boards isn't a preview of how reliable their prospero boards are going to be, if they're as problematic as these have been it might be yet another nightmare to keep hashrate up.  At least there will be less boards but if a board goes out it'll be a huge hit to hashrate.

Problems are based on Bitfury + chainminer +rpis not ba's design or fab

[testerx]

Any updates on when we'll actually see the original hashrate goal?  It feels like nobody cares anymore.

[Hili]

I and (probably everybody) certainly still care. But I think everybody is of the opinion that the hardware as it is now will never sustain the desired hashrate. That and the fact that the difficulty has risen so much, that the absolute difference has dropped so much means that it's probably not of much use to keep an active discussion.

[philipma1957]

I and (probably everybody) certainly still care. But I think everybody is of the opinion that the hardware as it is now will never sustain the desired hashrate. That and the fact that the difficulty has risen so much, that the absolute difference has dropped so much means that it's probably not of much use to keep an active discussion.

yeah that and the horse has pretty much died by now.  We should ask if we will be paid the btc owed come the 15th of jan. as it is a lot.

[btc6000]

yeah that and the horse has pretty much died by now.  We should ask if we will be paid the btc owed come the 15th of jan. as it is a lot.

Approx how much per share is 'a lot'?

Cheers,

[philipma1957]

yeah that and the horse has pretty much died by now.  We should ask if we will be paid the btc owed come the 15th of jan. as it is a lot.

Approx how much per share is 'a lot'?

Cheers,

400 shares are owed about  13-15 btc as of jan 1.
 I have not done an estimate for the jan 1 to jan 13th short fall .

We ran short about 500 gh jan 1 to jan 13th

500 gh is about .168 btc  a day at  1418 diff so jan 2 to jan 12 is 10x that or 1.68btc

add that to 13-15 and we are short 14 - 16 btc divide by 400 .

  we are .035 btc a share   to .040 a share short.

 rough estimate not that wrong.

[bitterdog]

I'm surprised you guys haven't heard anything from the guys who run the coop about the shortfall..

When did this group buy end? Was it before they formed the LLC?

[philipma1957]

  They made 1 or 2 extra payments to keep it somewhat in control plus the round has made a usd profit. I am waiting for the payout on the 15th to see how it is handled.
They have expanded a lot and moved the mining center. During the expansion and move a few leaks in the ship or cracks in the china if you prefer that term have happened. Once again the world of BTC is giving me just a bit paranoia.

[achtung082]

Just hope blackarrow have better support with the new hardware and also don't mine with it for to long before shipping out. From the pictures Bob sent back from his visit, they seem to have enough of the Bitfury boards running to have figured out how to make them work and at least try to get there customers what they sold them.
The Co-Op has done a great job so far in compensating the buyers these rounds, not sure what blackarrow has done to ease the pain.

With difficulty making big jumps again probably from pre-order hardware mining, these rounds are probably not going to produce much more in BTC.

[davedx]

Just hope blackarrow have better support with the new hardware and also don't mine with it for to long before shipping out. From the pictures Bob sent back from his visit, they seem to have enough of the Bitfury boards running to have figured out how to make them work and at least try to get there customers what they sold them.
The Co-Op has done a great job so far in compensating the buyers these rounds, not sure what blackarrow has done to ease the pain.

With difficulty making big jumps again probably from pre-order hardware mining, these rounds are probably not going to produce much more in BTC.

Indeed. I'm in mining to make BTC profits, but this round is looking like a big failure for me. I'm hoping R17 will go better, but I don't have high hopes now.

I don't know how anyone is making a profit mining, especially when you factor in all the costs.

My future investments in BTC will probably be to just buy BTC.

[Vagnavs]

Just hope blackarrow have better support with the new hardware and also don't mine with it for to long before shipping out. From the pictures Bob sent back from his visit, they seem to have enough of the Bitfury boards running to have figured out how to make them work and at least try to get there customers what they sold them.
The Co-Op has done a great job so far in compensating the buyers these rounds, not sure what blackarrow has done to ease the pain.

With difficulty making big jumps again probably from pre-order hardware mining, these rounds are probably not going to produce much more in BTC.

Indeed. I'm in mining to make BTC profits, but this round is looking like a big failure for me. I'm hoping R17 will go better, but I don't have high hopes now.

I don't know how anyone is making a profit mining, especially when you factor in all the costs.

My future investments in BTC will probably be to just buy BTC.

+1 things started off good and we've had a few issues. I totally agree with davedx.

Just and update on the ROI. I invested 10 BTC and recouped 3.20 BTC. That's not including today's payment, if there is one. So yes, a bad deal for me as well..
Regards,
Brian

[philipma1957]

Just hope blackarrow have better support with the new hardware and also don't mine with it for to long before shipping out. From the pictures Bob sent back from his visit, they seem to have enough of the Bitfury boards running to have figured out how to make them work and at least try to get there customers what they sold them.
The Co-Op has done a great job so far in compensating the buyers these rounds, not sure what blackarrow has done to ease the pain.

With difficulty making big jumps again probably from pre-order hardware mining, these rounds are probably not going to produce much more in BTC.

Indeed. I'm in mining to make BTC profits, but this round is looking like a big failure for me. I'm hoping R17 will go better, but I don't have high hopes now.

I don't know how anyone is making a profit mining, especially when you factor in all the costs.

My future investments in BTC will probably be to just buy BTC.

rounds 9-12 made more then 68000 usd. it was about 50000 usd in and about 120000 usd out

  it more then doubled the usd cost to create the setup.

 but if you purchased btc you would have done better.

 basically your  comparsion is I picked stock and changed 50000usd to 120000usd  but if I had picked stock b (buy and hold the btc) I would have changed  50000 usd into   400000 usd.

 but you would still be a failure since you did not sell the btc at 1200usd.  you would be saying I should have sold at the all time high


so rounds 9 to 12 are successful but not as successful as buying btc was.   far from a failure.

just not as good.  I only say this because every country in the world that charges tax would charge you tax on the profit made on rounds 9 to rounds 12.

[tgbtg_2013]

Thanks for the added hash power!

Worker 1 Hash Rate       0 Gh/s
Worker 2 Hash Rate       2805.282 Gh/s
Worker 3 Hash Rate       523.49 Gh/s

[philipma1957]

Thanks for the added hash power!

Worker 1 Hash Rate       0 Gh/s
Worker 2 Hash Rate       2805.282 Gh/s
Worker 3 Hash Rate       523.49 Gh/s

ah back to normal.