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[Best_Change]

We would like to thank all the participants of the discussion. We have been under constant DDoS attacks since the end of March. Although it doesn’t influence the work of the website, some segments of the network might get blocked by the multi-layered protection of our website. Obviously, such a long-term attack can only take place if a huge number of various botnets are used.

Tightening site protection is an exclusively temporary measure and we do not manually control all blocked segments, the automation itself decides which segments and when to block. That is, we do not intentionally block TOR or public VPNs, but it is clear that most attacks occur with their use.

At the same time, the majority of real users have access to the website without any limitations. Please try visiting our website without using a VPN, with your usual IP. If the problem is not solved, please send us your IP at support@bestchange.com, our moderators will check for other possible reasons for not being able to access our site.

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[Best_Change]

💳 What is card verification, and what is it for?

BestChange monitor tries to warn users about whether this or that exchanger requires bank card verification. This requirement is not frequent, but still, pay attention to it if this detail is important for you. It's easy to notice — a round green mark with a schematic card next to the exchanger's name.

Card verification is needed to confirm your card ownership and make life difficult for fraudsters who use other people's means of payment.

What details you will need to provide:
🔑 Card number (or, as a minimum, first and last four digits).
🔑 Card holder's name.
🔑 Picture of the card with the exchanger's website or a paper with its URL on the background.

Is it safe? You can transfer the specified details completely calmly, they will not give potential fraudsters any benefit, even if the photo falls into their hands (for example, the exchanger is hacked). You must cover up the expiration date of the card and the CVC code on the photo, if it is indicated on the same side as the number as, for example, is on YooMoney. The reverse side of the card does not need to be shown at all.

The duration of verification depends on the workload of operators. It usually takes one day.

[Darker45]

💳 What is card verification, and what is it for?

BestChange monitor tries to warn users about whether this or that exchanger requires bank card verification. This requirement is not frequent, but still, pay attention to it if this detail is important for you. It's easy to notice — a round green mark with a schematic card next to the exchanger's name.

Is this still visible until now? And also the rest of the small round green icons next to the exchange's name?

Before it was like this, right? There were small icons next to the exchange's name and if you hover on each one of them, a message would be displayed indicating what it means.



But now it looks like this already. The small green icons are gone.



Or am I missing something here? Am I right that this is where one should know whether the exchange requires bank card verification or not?

[Best_Change]

@LoyceV, @dkbit98, @examplens

Thank you everyone for informing us about all cases with accessing the website. At the moment, we have already reconfigured the security system and the site should be accessible again from public VPN services and TOR exit gateways without any restrictions.
Thank you for staying with us. If you will have any problems with access, please contact support@bestchange.com, our moderators will check possible reasons and solutions.

@Darker45
The icons appear when you select an exchange direction.

[LoyceV]

Thank you everyone for informing us about all cases with accessing the website. At the moment, we have already reconfigured the security system and the site should be accessible again from public VPN services and TOR exit gateways without any restrictions.

I can confirm it works again on Tor. When loading, it shortly showed a page about a loading captcha, but it disappeared on it's own and the site loaded. I've never seen that before on Tor!

[dkbit98]

At the moment, we have already reconfigured the security system and the site should be accessible again from public VPN services and TOR exit gateways without any restrictions.

I tested how evrything works in Tor browser and I have to say that it's opening pages very fast.
Are you currently using only betchange.com and .ru domains, or you have some others as alternative, I think I saw .net is also available.
My suggestion is to add official websites in first post of this ANN topic.

[Husires]

My suggestion is to add official websites in first post of this ANN topic.

ANN created by best.change not Best_Change, Best.Change Last Active: February 20, 2021, 03:52:04 PM
Perhaps if they asked one of the admins to restore the account (if they lost access to it) or edit the post, it would be better.

tasted it on tor and it works

[Bitcoin_Arena]

ANN created by best.change not Best_Change, Best.Change Last Active: February 20, 2021, 03:52:04 PM
Perhaps if they asked one of the admins to restore the account (if they lost access to it) or edit the post, it would be better.

tasted it on tor and it works

No biggie... I am more than certain they have access to the account. It's just not actively engaging in discussion. Last time that account woke up, it was to edit something in the OP, and then it went back to sleep.

I believe they could still do the same.

[LoyceV]

Because of my Bitcoin Fork claiming topic, I'm sometimes looking for ways to exchange the Forks that have value. Unfortunately, most of them aren't listed on BestChange. And I always assumed the "List" button on BestChange would show a complete list. It turns out it's incomplete: today I noticed one of the exchangers on BestChange actually supports all 5 Forks that are worth something! It's always tricky to trust an exchanger, so I appreciate the feedback system on BestChange for this.

My suggestion for you: can you add a full list of all coins available on all exchangers, even if a certain coin is only available on one exchange? I would very much appreciate that!

[rokuen]

Don’t you think exchangers that do not follow AML should be excluded from your site? Or at least marked as untrustworthy.
Today netex24 exchanger sent me tainted btc. And obviously service which i wanted to top up blocked my account.
I checked transaction via AML bot:
 
Risk Score: 50% Medium risk transaction
Medium risk
Exchange ML Risk Veryhigh - 100%

[LoyceV]

tainted btc

What's that? Are you saying Bitcoin isn't fungible?

Coin validation proposed to offer as a service to trace coins and try to give you a rating about how the history of the coin from your point of view and to offer that as a service to businesses. I think this could be quite dangerous because it goes back to that 17th century court case where now you could receive a coin that is perfectly valid at the time that you receive it, but a few weeks later a crime is uncovered and now your coin is tainted. So if this coin validation service is advicing many of the merchants where you would want to spend your coin at, it's tainted and now the merchant would refuse to accept your coin. That's a strange experience for you; you're holding a coin that you might have to sell at a discount to get rid of it. The aggregate effect of this might create a run on the bitcoin price. So it reopens this long-set legal principle that currency or currency units are all equal.

service which i wanted to top up blocked my account.

The solution is simple: don't use services that tell you your Bitcoin is different than another Bitcoin.

[rokuen]

tainted btc

What's that? Are you saying Bitcoin isn't fungible?

I mean they sent dirty btc which involved in money laundering.
I can only imagine what will happen if I deposit such coins directly to my binance/other CEX. I assume that I would have to provide a lot of information to prove that I was not involved in money laundering. And even then there is no guarantee that I will see my money back.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

Another suspiciously fraudulent exchanger is claiming to be partners with Best Change by using their logo

eraxchanges.com



I would like to confirm is you are collaborating with them or in the process of collaborating with them. Otherwise, I think they are being deceptive

[dkbit98]

I checked transaction via AML bot

This AML bot and stuff like that are not very smart, and you can try checking main Binance exchange hot wallet and see result you will get... probably it will show very similar ''risk''.
You can't even verify what this bot is doing and I think it's crazy trusting it, and it's even more crazy paying bunch of money for using that.

I can only imagine what will happen if I deposit such coins directly to my binance/other CEX. I assume that I would have to provide a lot of information to prove that I was not involved in money laundering. And even then there is no guarantee that I will see my money back.

BestChange is not responsible for checking this for you, and Binance already tainted themselves with previous transaction and have connection with money laundering.
You can always mix those coins you got in some mixer, or swap them use decentralized exchanges that don't have any kyc verification, atomic swaps or p2p trading.

The solution is simple: don't use services that tell you your Bitcoin is different than another Bitcoin.

Does this mean we should stop using all government services? 

[rokuen]

I checked transaction via AML bot

This AML bot and stuff like that are not very smart, and you can try checking main Binance exchange hot wallet and see result you will get... probably it will show very similar ''risk''.
You can't even verify what this bot is doing and I think it's crazy trusting it, and it's even more crazy paying bunch of money for using that.

LOL. Dude, it's 2022 when companies are paying a lot of attention to the origin of funds. There are organizations such as CipherTrace, Crypto Defenders Alliance and so on to prevent illicit activities. And obviously I don’t want to be involved in money laundering.

[dkbit98]

LOL. Dude, it's 2022 when companies are paying a lot of attention to the origin of funds. There are organizations such as CipherTrace, Crypto Defenders Alliance and so on to prevent illicit activities. And obviously I don’t want to be involved in money laundering.

So you are actively using bunch of gambling websites and unknown exchanges and you are expecting to be fully compliant with regulators  
You can do whatever you want with your coins or money, but you are publicly already doing ''illicit activities'' so I don't know what exactly you are expecting.
I told you how you can always play around those stupid rules, but you can also just use Coinbase or Binance that are best known for kissing regulator asses.

[rokuen]

LOL. Dude, it's 2022 when companies are paying a lot of attention to the origin of funds. There are organizations such as CipherTrace, Crypto Defenders Alliance and so on to prevent illicit activities. And obviously I don’t want to be involved in money laundering.

So you are actively using bunch of gambling websites and unknown exchanges and you are expecting to be fully compliant with regulators  
You can do whatever you want with your coins or money, but you are publicly already doing ''illicit activities'' so I don't know what exactly you are expecting.
I told you how you can always play around those stupid rules, but you can also just use Coinbase or Binance that are best known for kissing regulator asses.

Nice catch Sherlock, but this thread is about BestChange and I don't think it's normal that some exchangers usings clients for money laundering.

Funny thing that netex24 exchange has rules about KYT (know your transaction) https://netex24.net/#/en/kyt  they didn't even bother to translate it into English. In short they may suspend any exchange or even withhold funds if they can’t trace origin. But they ok with sending dirty crypto to their users 

[LoyceV]

tainted btc

What's that? Are you saying Bitcoin isn't fungible?

I mean they sent dirty btc which involved in money laundering.

What I meant is: there is no "dirty" Bitcoin. A Bitcoin is a Bitcoin. You shouldn't let anyone tell you some Bitcoins have lower value than other Bitcoins.

[Best_Change]

Are you currently using only betchange.com and .ru domains, or you have some others as alternative, I think I saw .net is also available.
My suggestion is to add official websites in first post of this ANN topic.

@dkbit98

Done it, thanks!

@Huseries
Both Best.Change and Best_Change belong to us. Thanks!

Don’t you think exchangers that do not follow AML should be excluded from your site? Or at least marked as untrustworthy.
Today netex24 exchanger sent me tainted btc. And obviously service which i wanted to top up blocked my account.
I checked transaction via AML bot:
 
Risk Score: 50% Medium risk transaction
Medium risk
Exchange ML Risk Veryhigh - 100%

@rokuen
Thank you for the signal, we will certainly investigate the matter to find out all the details and if necessary, will take measures to prevent this in the future. The exchanger you named is one of the largest on over-the-counter and such appeals are the matter of exception.

In any case, your situation requires our involvement. We will certainly get in touch with the service representatives to find out the technical details of your transaction and offer them to change the counterparty, if necessary, if they use some compromised custodial service to store bitcoin.

Please send us the transaction address and, if possible, the order number in this service, so that we could check the information in blockchain and request the details from netex24.

[Darker45]

Don’t you think exchangers that do not follow AML should be excluded from your site? Or at least marked as untrustworthy.
Today netex24 exchanger sent me tainted btc. And obviously service which i wanted to top up blocked my account.
I checked transaction via AML bot:
 
Risk Score: 50% Medium risk transaction
Medium risk
Exchange ML Risk Veryhigh - 100%

@rokuen
Thank you for the signal, we will certainly investigate the matter to find out all the details and if necessary, will take measures to prevent this in the future. The exchanger you named is one of the largest on over-the-counter and such appeals are the matter of exception.

In any case, your situation requires our involvement. We will certainly get in touch with the service representatives to find out the technical details of your transaction and offer them to change the counterparty, if necessary, if they use some compromised custodial service to store bitcoin.

Please send us the transaction address and, if possible, the order number in this service, so that we could check the information in blockchain and request the details from netex24.

In line with this, I am interested to know if the BestChange company subscribes to the idea that there are clean and dirty Bitcoins. I mean, yes, there are probably a lot of crimes in which Bitcoins are involved as there are countless others which involve fiat, but do you think that Bitcoins involved in these crimes are tainted and are therefore dirty and shouldn't be accepted by different Bitcoin platforms?