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July 16, 2018, 11:20:20 PM
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Resurgencing topic again because same think is happening, price is rising and everbody is hoping that ti will fly to the moon, yes i think it will fly to the moon but not with this rise, there are some sign of a giant rise and we are far from it now, so what will happen next month is an intermediate loop becoming from mini loops, it may rise to 8-9k then fall to where it starts. As this topic opened nearly nobody believed what i said only %10 of users seems supporting but it was obvious for me just like now. Manipulator is convincing people that price is rising with steep moves, free market can rise but not like this, free market should rise slowly , if it moves steep it is suspicious for me. again alot of people hunting news for an acceptable reason to that rise but it will end just like in july and this time intermediate trend may end in below the last bottom. But for a short time you can enjoy with rise.
 If you wonder how a giant rise come it simply come after volatilty ends and it took months to convince all investors to it will be historic , so dont expect too much thing from volatily.

I don't understand how you believe that you can speak with any kind of meaningful authority about what is going to happen in the near or medium future since the future remains a set of probabilities?

Perhaps, you have described a BTC price performance scenario that is amongst the greatest of likelihoods, but the future is far from determined and remains a product of knowns and unknowns.. that add up to a whole hell of a lot of difficulties to predict with any degree of certainty beyond a very short period of time.  So, acting as if you know what is going to happen in the future beyond stating probabilities, comes off as quite presumptuous, even if you end up being correct.

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July 18, 2018, 05:22:18 PM
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Resurgencing topic again because same think is happening, price is rising and everbody is hoping that ti will fly to the moon, yes i think it will fly to the moon but not with this rise, there are some sign of a giant rise and we are far from it now, so what will happen next month is an intermediate loop becoming from mini loops, it may rise to 8-9k then fall to where it starts. As this topic opened nearly nobody believed what i said only %10 of users seems supporting but it was obvious for me just like now. Manipulator is convincing people that price is rising with steep moves, free market can rise but not like this, free market should rise slowly , if it moves steep it is suspicious for me. again alot of people hunting news for an acceptable reason to that rise but it will end just like in july and this time intermediate trend may end in below the last bottom. But for a short time you can enjoy with rise.
 If you wonder how a giant rise come it simply come after volatilty ends and it took months to convince all investors to it will be historic , so dont expect too much thing from volatily.

I don't understand how you believe that you can speak with any kind of meaningful authority about what is going to happen in the near or medium future since the future remains a set of probabilities?

Perhaps, you have described a BTC price performance scenario that is amongst the greatest of likelihoods, but the future is far from determined and remains a product of knowns and unknowns.. that add up to a whole hell of a lot of difficulties to predict with any degree of certainty beyond a very short period of time.  So, acting as if you know what is going to happen in the future beyond stating probabilities, comes off as quite presumptuous, even if you end up being correct.

Everybody talks about future , so you will just look at the stats who comments better, who fails less, there is a lot of shittopics around here , they ask will it rise more after every rise or will it fall more after every drop. And then there are some comments with analysys and good predictions.You can choose whatever you want Smiley
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July 18, 2018, 05:26:57 PM
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Actually, this recent price pump is not natural. It is being highly manipulated by the whales and exchanges. Still, not many new investors are entering the market. hence, I expect this pump to retrace back to $6k levels. Bitcoin might be able to touch $7800, after that I expect a dump to $6800 at least. So, trade wisely here. Like it or not, this is a bull trap. The market hasn't yet entered in a trend reversal zone.

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July 18, 2018, 07:30:14 PM
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Resurgencing topic again because same think is happening, price is rising and everbody is hoping that ti will fly to the moon, yes i think it will fly to the moon but not with this rise, there are some sign of a giant rise and we are far from it now, so what will happen next month is an intermediate loop becoming from mini loops, it may rise to 8-9k then fall to where it starts. As this topic opened nearly nobody believed what i said only %10 of users seems supporting but it was obvious for me just like now. Manipulator is convincing people that price is rising with steep moves, free market can rise but not like this, free market should rise slowly , if it moves steep it is suspicious for me. again alot of people hunting news for an acceptable reason to that rise but it will end just like in july and this time intermediate trend may end in below the last bottom. But for a short time you can enjoy with rise.
 If you wonder how a giant rise come it simply come after volatilty ends and it took months to convince all investors to it will be historic , so dont expect too much thing from volatily.

I don't understand how you believe that you can speak with any kind of meaningful authority about what is going to happen in the near or medium future since the future remains a set of probabilities?

Perhaps, you have described a BTC price performance scenario that is amongst the greatest of likelihoods, but the future is far from determined and remains a product of knowns and unknowns.. that add up to a whole hell of a lot of difficulties to predict with any degree of certainty beyond a very short period of time.  So, acting as if you know what is going to happen in the future beyond stating probabilities, comes off as quite presumptuous, even if you end up being correct.

Everybody talks about future , so you will just look at the stats who comments better, who fails less, there is a lot of shittopics around here , they ask will it rise more after every rise or will it fall more after every drop. And then there are some comments with analysys and good predictions.You can choose whatever you want Smiley

You can chose what you want, and you can comment about them too.  As you know, I chose to comment, which I frequently do when posters engage in descriptions containing absolutes.  Just because a lot of people do it, does not make it a good practice, and you can continue to do what you like, and I will continue to comment that I believe you are being inaccurate and/or misleading, when I believe that to be the case.

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July 18, 2018, 07:34:07 PM
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Actually, this recent price pump is not natural. It is being highly manipulated by the whales and exchanges. Still, not many new investors are entering the market. hence, I expect this pump to retrace back to $6k levels. Bitcoin might be able to touch $7800, after that I expect a dump to $6800 at least. So, trade wisely here. Like it or not, this is a bull trap. The market hasn't yet entered in a trend reversal zone.

I largely agree that we need to take current BTC price rises with a fairly large grain of salt, and surely I will feel more comfortable once BTC prices get to the $10k testing territory - otherwise, current BTC prices remain too close to having the ability to retest lower end support.

1) Self-Custody is a right.  There is no such thing as "non-custodial" or "un-hosted."  2) ESG, KYC & AML are attack-vectors on Bitcoin to be avoided or minimized.  3) How much alt (shit)coin diversification is necessary? if you are into Bitcoin, then 0%......if you cannot control your gambling, then perhaps limit your alt(shit)coin exposure to less than 10% of your bitcoin size...Put BTC here: bc1q49wt0ddnj07wzzp6z7affw9ven7fztyhevqu9k
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July 18, 2018, 08:02:45 PM
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As we hope it to rise, always looking any rise like a saver but instead they seem like to a trap.
Just look at one month ago what happened from any graphic, from 7200 to 9200 it was a wild process it just rised too fast then everybody believed it is real and jumped, left with a bag in lap ,it came back to 6ks. So calculate well it s the same guy again moving, it will rise then another rise then a big fall. if it rises too steep that means it not natural, if its not natural grace yourself  Kiss

Bitcoin will rise just like what happened last year so the best thing to do right now is jut invest while you still have the time in order to earn more profit in the future.
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July 18, 2018, 08:44:19 PM
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Now we are getting the boost off that bottom. This is likely the start of the inflection point from bear market to bull market.
There is some boost from shorts which must close but also this bottom price and extended action meant the downtrend did not appear to be true any longer.     What seems quite bullish now is the upper prices here are just an old trend which was also upwards.   Its not really a ceiling, I think 7700 is quite likely as a proper target and then we can observe if any proper amount of selling occurs



The basic take away from this chart would be the pattern of higher highs.   So each peak on the chart is slightly ascending and I've just mentioning this is in line with an old uptrend channel.    I think the solid horizontal above is more likely where BTC price goes and must challenge

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July 18, 2018, 09:13:51 PM
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Actually, this recent price pump is not natural. It is being highly manipulated by the whales and exchanges. Still, not many new investors are entering the market. hence, I expect this pump to retrace back to $6k levels. Bitcoin might be able to touch $7800, after that I expect a dump to $6800 at least. So, trade wisely here. Like it or not, this is a bull trap. The market hasn't yet entered in a trend reversal zone.

I largely agree that we need to take current BTC price rises with a fairly large grain of salt, and surely I will feel more comfortable once BTC prices get to the $10k testing territory - otherwise, current BTC prices remain too close to having the ability to retest lower end support.

Totally depends on us, the holders and new investors. Unless we support it, reaching $10k is still far yet. As the past trends, it will take much more time, because people tends to panic and they will sell whenever they reach their buying price.
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July 18, 2018, 10:39:33 PM
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Actually, this recent price pump is not natural. It is being highly manipulated by the whales and exchanges. Still, not many new investors are entering the market. hence, I expect this pump to retrace back to $6k levels. Bitcoin might be able to touch $7800, after that I expect a dump to $6800 at least. So, trade wisely here. Like it or not, this is a bull trap. The market hasn't yet entered in a trend reversal zone.

I largely agree that we need to take current BTC price rises with a fairly large grain of salt, and surely I will feel more comfortable once BTC prices get to the $10k testing territory - otherwise, current BTC prices remain too close to having the ability to retest lower end support.

Totally depends on us, the holders and new investors. Unless we support it, reaching $10k is still far yet. As the past trends, it will take much more time, because people tends to panic and they will sell whenever they reach their buying price.

I don't know how you could reasonably believe that there is so much empowerment within "us" to be able to collectively control BTC's price direction because the sphere of "us" in crypto and bitcoin has been growing and growing and growing, so as the market cap grows, the means for liquidation of BTC and the number of adopters, it becomes harder and harder for any kind of "us" to really push the price direction.  Also, as the BTC adopters grow, it becomes exceedingly more diverse, and with a whole hell-of-a lot of mixed agendas and even confusion about what it is that they (we) are investing into, exactly, so in that regard, it seems to me that we have to accept that we are more likely followers of the market rather than makers of the market, no? 

Yeah, spread the word, blah, blah, blah, but bitcoin is going to do what it is going to do, and on an individual level, each of us has to attempt to prepare ourselves, as best that we can for our own situation, that either price direction could happen.. .well , that is UP, DOWN or sideways...  or some combination of them and not in any particular expected or self-created order.

Surely, several BTC holders, and more likely the longer term holders are not going to get tricked out of their coins, and they are going to be buying on the way down, and selling on the way up in order to prepare themselves to buy more in the event that the price goes down again.

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July 19, 2018, 02:19:21 AM
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As we hope it to rise, always looking any rise like a saver but instead they seem like to a trap.
Just look at one month ago what happened from any graphic, from 7200 to 9200 it was a wild process it just rised too fast then everybody believed it is real and jumped, left with a bag in lap ,it came back to 6ks. So calculate well it s the same guy again moving, it will rise then another rise then a big fall. if it rises too steep that means it not natural, if its not natural grace yourself  Kiss

There is a huge chance for the market prices to pump up again any time soon because people are starting to invest again today and the price is currently at $7k dollars.

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July 19, 2018, 06:28:11 AM
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in my opinion at this time can not be said for the increase of bitcoin price because currently the bitcoin price only rises temporarily and still can not trigger the increase up to the price of $ 20k again.

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July 19, 2018, 06:46:22 AM
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bitcoin prices are hard to predict and will have an ever-changing price, prices can go up and down anytime, so we should be able to really see the opportunity to earn profits and luck will also be with us

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July 19, 2018, 10:26:42 AM
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As we hope it to rise, always looking any rise like a saver but instead they seem like to a trap.
Just look at one month ago what happened from any graphic, from 7200 to 9200 it was a wild process it just rised too fast then everybody believed it is real and jumped, left with a bag in lap ,it came back to 6ks. So calculate well it s the same guy again moving, it will rise then another rise then a big fall. if it rises too steep that means it not natural, if its not natural grace yourself  Kiss

 It is hard to say if bitcoin is will rise everyday then suddenly fall. As of now, bitcoin price is increasing little by little. Hopefully, it is the start to rise the price until the end of this year. Let's just wait and see what will happen and its our strategy how we handle this kind of situation we can invest in bitcoin or altcoin while the price is low.

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July 19, 2018, 03:52:13 PM
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bitcoin prices are hard to predict and will have an ever-changing price, prices can go up and down anytime, so we should be able to really see the opportunity to earn profits and luck will also be with us

I agree, it's hard to predict the exact day the price will ris eor fall but in the end you do know one thing for certain and that's the fact that BTC will 100% rise to some insane heights if the market crosses the 200billion cap again.
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July 19, 2018, 07:12:50 PM
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As we hope it to rise, always looking any rise like a saver but instead they seem like to a trap.
Just look at one month ago what happened from any graphic, from 7200 to 9200 it was a wild process it just rised too fast then everybody believed it is real and jumped, left with a bag in lap ,it came back to 6ks. So calculate well it s the same guy again moving, it will rise then another rise then a big fall. if it rises too steep that means it not natural, if its not natural grace yourself  Kiss

Just wait for the price to increase if you are disappointed today, if you think that you are losing more profit each day then just do not look at the price in the market and wait for it to grow again because the volatility of the market is just natural.

Yes, you're right. Never expect too much on what you invest. Investing in crypto is like a gamble, you don't know whether you will win or loose in the end. So better to invest only what you can afford to lose. As we all know, bitcoin price is unpredictable. We are not sure if it  will continuously increase or not. For now, preferably HODLing is the best option while waiting for the price to reach at its peak.
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July 19, 2018, 07:30:13 PM
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The expected growth for the present time period is big, but the market didn't move as predicted. Now a small percent of growth has taken place after a long time period reaching around $7500. What we experience at present seems to be a start for the bull trend which will gradually grow further reaching big value.

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July 19, 2018, 07:37:22 PM
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As we hope it to rise, always looking any rise like a saver but instead they seem like to a trap.
Just look at one month ago what happened from any graphic, from 7200 to 9200 it was a wild process it just rised too fast then everybody believed it is real and jumped, left with a bag in lap ,it came back to 6ks. So calculate well it s the same guy again moving, it will rise then another rise then a big fall. if it rises too steep that means it not natural, if its not natural grace yourself  Kiss

Just wait for the price to increase if you are disappointed today, if you think that you are losing more profit each day then just do not look at the price in the market and wait for it to grow again because the volatility of the market is just natural.

Yes, you're right. Never expect too much on what you invest. Investing in crypto is like a gamble, you don't know whether you will win or loose in the end. So better to invest only what you can afford to lose. As we all know, bitcoin price is unpredictable. We are not sure if it  will continuously increase or not. For now, preferably HODLing is the best option while waiting for the price to reach at its peak.
Rise isn't bad as you say, it doesn't means bitcoin will fall soon and fall will be worse, even if it happens, that's the passion of trading. Also investing in crypto is really like a gamble but with this logic investing in USD/EURO/GBP is like a gamble too, why not? These currencies sometimes fall a little, sometimes rise, it's gamble but here risks are very, very low, can say the same about profit. That's why bitcoin is very risky, the more you invest, 100x more you profit or you'll end up loosing everythinf if you are nervous and can't wait.

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July 19, 2018, 11:08:00 PM
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As we hope it to rise, always looking any rise like a saver but instead they seem like to a trap.
Just look at one month ago what happened from any graphic, from 7200 to 9200 it was a wild process it just rised too fast then everybody believed it is real and jumped, left with a bag in lap ,it came back to 6ks. So calculate well it s the same guy again moving, it will rise then another rise then a big fall. if it rises too steep that means it not natural, if its not natural grace yourself  Kiss

The rise will always happen before the year ends so do not worry if the market price today is dumping because it only means that you still invest a huge amount in order to earn more profit when the market pumps up again.

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July 20, 2018, 12:47:47 PM
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As we hope it to rise, always looking any rise like a saver but instead they seem like to a trap.
Just look at one month ago what happened from any graphic, from 7200 to 9200 it was a wild process it just rised too fast then everybody believed it is real and jumped, left with a bag in lap ,it came back to 6ks. So calculate well it s the same guy again moving, it will rise then another rise then a big fall. if it rises too steep that means it not natural, if its not natural grace yourself  Kiss

The rise will always happen before the year ends so do not worry if the market price today is dumping because it only means that you still invest a huge amount in order to earn more profit when the market pumps up again.

I agree with you. Even if the price drops a little in the next month or so, the final value at the end of the year should be at least 10k or higher. The steady growth is something that we can expect and If you have money now is a good time to get in.
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August 01, 2018, 08:42:36 PM
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price again showed that was not the rise that goes to the moon.
last 2 months a lot fo people thought that it has a potential to rise, but it was obvious that this mid-trends are going down at the end.If this price doesnt correct in a few days that means we are going 4-5k in a few months.
Of course you can still continue your fairy tale "btc price is not predictable".
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