DZ MC: Round 5-6, KnC Jupiters. Please move ?s and discussions here.

[firsttimeuser]

We can "play the game" by listing one of ours for 20k...

[philipma1957]

Todays Diff jump will be to around 610 mill actual number 609.4 mill.  It should be was under 20 %  the last jump under 20% was Aug. 3rd.

Long term it may not be a trend but short term it helps  r5 r6  r9 r10 r11 r12  a lot.

Coins are 482 btc!!!

https://coinbase.com/buys

Difficulty History

Date   --------------Difficulty---------   Change-------Hash Rate

Nov 05 2013………510,929,738……….   30.70%……..3,657,378 GH/s
Oct 26 2013……...390,928,788……...   46.02%……..2,798,377 GH/s

Oct 16 2013……….   267,731,249……...   41.45%…….   1,916,495 GH/s
Oct 06 2013……….   189,281,249……...   27.19%…….   1,354,928 GH/s

Sep 25 2013………148,819,200………..32.13%…...   1,065,289 GH/s
Sep 14 2013………112,628,549……….   29.56%….…..806,227 GH/s

Sep 04 2013….……86,933,018…………32.22%……..622,291 GH/s
Aug 24 2013………65,750,060………….29.40%……..470,657 GH/s

Aug 13 2013………50,810,339………….   35.88%……..363,715 GH/s
Aug 03 2013….   37,392,766………..19.63%……..267,668 GH/s

Jul 22 2013………..   31,256,961………..19.47%……..223,746 GH/s
Jul 11 2013………..26,162,876………..22.63%……..187,281 GH/s

Jun 29 2013……….21,335,329…………10.32%……...52,724 GH/s
Jun 16 2013………19,339,258………….23.92%……...138,436 GH/s

Jun 05 2013………..15,605,633………..28.41%……..111,709 GH/s
May 25 2013…….…12,153,412…………  8.64%……. 86,998 GH/s

May 12 2013……...11,187,257   ……….11.03%……..80,082 GH/s
Apr  30 2013…....   10,076,293 ……….12.28%……..72,129 GH/s

Apr 17 2013   8,974,296           16.96%   64,241 GH/s
Apr 05 2013   7,673,000           14.59%   54,925 GH/s

Mar 24 2013   6,695,826           38.13%   47,931 GH/s
Mar 14 2013   4,847,647           10.98%   34,701 GH/s

Mar 01 2013   4,367,876           19.63%   31,266 GH/s
Feb 18 2013   3,651,012           11.47%   26,135 GH/s

Feb 05 2013   3,275,465           10.33%   23,447 GH/s
Jan 23 2013   2,968,775           -8.64%   21,251 GH/s

Jan 08 2013   3,249,550            9.06%   23,261 GH/s
Dec 26 2012   2,979,637          -11.59%   21,329 GH/s

Dec 10 2012   3,370,182          -2.00%   24,125 GH/s
Nov 26 2012   3,438,909           2.08%   24,617 GH/s

Nov 12 2012   3,368,767   1.95%   24,115 GH/s
Oct 30 2012   3,304,356   7.55%   23,654 GH/s

Oct 16 2012   3,072,322   0.58%   21,993 GH/s
Oct 03 2012   3,054,628   6.65%   21,866 GH/s

Sep 19 2012   2,864,141   6.31%   20,502 GH/s
Sep 06 2012   2,694,048   10.38%   19,285 GH/s

Aug 25 2012   2,440,643   11.40%   17,471 GH/s
Aug 12 2012   2,190,866   7.57%   15,683 GH/s

Jul 30 2012   2,036,671   9.12%   14,579 GH/s
Jul 17 2012   1,866,391   6.56%   13,360 GH/s

Jul 04 2012   1,751,455   1.44%   12,537 GH/s
Jun 20 2012   1,726,567   9.06%   12,359 GH/s

Jun 07 2012   1,583,178   -0.50%   11,333 GH/s
May 24 2012   1,591,075   -8.20%   11,389 GH/s

May 09 2012   1,733,208   14.89%   12,407 GH/s
Apr 27 2012   1,508,590   -4.39%   10,799 GH/s

Apr 12 2012   1,577,913   -2.99%   11,295 GH/s
Mar 29 2012   1,626,553   8.56%   11,643 GH/s
Mar 16 2012   1,498,294   0.09%   10,725 GH/s

[philipma1957]

To follow up on the chart above  at a diff of 609.4 mill   and 1.1th of hash  we should earn about 1.4 BTC a day each day  for both r5 + r6 combined or .7btc for each one apart.  right now the wallets have 1 coin each  total of 2 coins  by the 30th of nov   there could be close to 9 btc in each one.  

  which means we may be at a dividend of .08 a share vs .084 a share.


  I have 19 shares  so 1.5 btc vs the 1.6 btc   is possible.

 I cashed for 420 usd  last payout so  1.6 x 420 was 672.

 If we stay on track   next payout  is 1.5 x 478 = 717.   So lets all hope for :

1) BTC bull run carries on  
2) gear keeps working  
3)dZ coop  keeps up the good work.



ALL of the above = estimate not real till it happens    think counting chickens

[alientida]

Is anybody selling their current shares? I would like to buy in. Please PM your share and your price.

Ready to pay the transfer fee and start hashing!

[Ashitank]

Is anybody selling their current shares? I would like to buy in. Please PM your share and your price.

Ready to pay the transfer fee and start hashing!

Check PM.

[philipma1957]

Btc    crawling back up it is just  at 700usd


https://coinbase.com/charts   


  No projections but really amazing bull run.  Some reasons why it is doing well may be below.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/11/18/this-senate-hearing-is-a-bitcoin-lovefest/

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-18/u-s-agencies-to-say-bitcoins-offer-legitimate-benefits.html

http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/16/5111546/new-york-state-weighs-bitlicense-certification-for-bitcoin-traders

[-Redacted-]

Nothing much to report this week.  Just hashing and stashing.   Next payout coming on Friday, Nov 29th or Saturday the 30th.  I will probably cash out whatever namecoins have accumulated since the last time I sold them and add them to the up and coming payout.

[Tiennou74]

Thanks!
Were are at 294.06% ROI (in USD terms)

To the moon  !

[philipma1957]

better yet we have done roi  in usd based on cashing them the day you were paid them ..  that is really good.

[philipma1957]

Todays Diff jump will be to around 610 mill actual number 609.4 mill.  It should be was under 20 %  the last jump under 20% was Aug. 3rd.

Long term it may not be a trend but short term it helps  r5 r6  r9 r10 r11 r12  a lot.

Coins are 482 btc!!!

https://coinbase.com/buys

Difficulty History

Date   --------------Difficulty---------   Change-------Hash Rate

Nov 05 2013………510,929,738……….   30.70%……..3,657,378 GH/s
Oct 26 2013……...390,928,788……...   46.02%……..2,798,377 GH/s

Oct 16 2013……….   267,731,249……...   41.45%…….   1,916,495 GH/s
Oct 06 2013……….   189,281,249……...   27.19%…….   1,354,928 GH/s

Sep 25 2013………148,819,200………..32.13%…...   1,065,289 GH/s
Sep 14 2013………112,628,549……….   29.56%….…..806,227 GH/s

Sep 04 2013….……86,933,018…………32.22%……..622,291 GH/s
Aug 24 2013………65,750,060………….29.40%……..470,657 GH/s

Aug 13 2013………50,810,339………….   35.88%……..363,715 GH/s
Aug 03 2013….   37,392,766………..19.63%……..267,668 GH/s

Jul 22 2013………..   31,256,961………..19.47%……..223,746 GH/s
Jul 11 2013………..26,162,876………..22.63%……..187,281 GH/s

Jun 29 2013……….21,335,329…………10.32%……...52,724 GH/s
Jun 16 2013………19,339,258………….23.92%……...138,436 GH/s

Jun 05 2013………..15,605,633………..28.41%……..111,709 GH/s
May 25 2013…….…12,153,412…………  8.64%……. 86,998 GH/s

May 12 2013……...11,187,257   ……….11.03%……..80,082 GH/s
Apr  30 2013…....   10,076,293 ……….12.28%……..72,129 GH/s

Apr 17 2013……….   8,974,296…………..16.96%…….   64,241 GH/s
Apr 05 2013……….   7,673,000…………..14.59%…...   54,925 GH/s

Mar 24 2013.………6,695,826………….    8.13%……..47,931 GH/s
Mar 14 2013…….…4,847,647………….10.98%……..   34,701 GH/s

Mar 01 2013….……4,367,876……….….19.63%……..31,266 GH/s
Feb 18 2013………   3,651,012…………..11.47%………26,135 GH/s

Feb 05 2013………   3,275,465…………..10.33%…….   23,447 GH/s
Jan 23 2013………..2,968,775…………. -8.64%…….   21,251 GH/s

Jan 08 2013……….3,249,550………….  9.06%……..   23,261 GH/s
Dec 26 2012……….2,979,637…………-11.59%…….   21,329 GH/s

Dec 10 2012……….3,370,182…………-2.00%   ……...24,125 GH/s
Nov 26 2012………3,438,909…………2.08%……….   24,617 GH/s

Nov 12 2012   3,368,767   1.95%   24,115 GH/s
Oct 30 2012   3,304,356   7.55%   23,654 GH/s

Oct 16 2012   3,072,322   0.58%   21,993 GH/s
Oct 03 2012   3,054,628   6.65%   21,866 GH/s

Sep 19 2012   2,864,141   6.31%   20,502 GH/s
Sep 06 2012   2,694,048   10.38%   19,285 GH/s

Aug 25 2012   2,440,643   11.40%   17,471 GH/s
Aug 12 2012   2,190,866   7.57%   15,683 GH/s

Jul 30 2012   2,036,671   9.12%   14,579 GH/s
Jul 17 2012   1,866,391   6.56%   13,360 GH/s

Jul 04 2012   1,751,455   1.44%   12,537 GH/s
Jun 20 2012   1,726,567   9.06%   12,359 GH/s

Jun 07 2012   1,583,178   -0.50%   11,333 GH/s
May 24 2012   1,591,075   -8.20%   11,389 GH/s

May 09 2012   1,733,208   14.89%   12,407 GH/s
Apr 27 2012   1,508,590   -4.39%   10,799 GH/s

Apr 12 2012   1,577,913   -2.99%   11,295 GH/s
Mar 29 2012   1,626,553   8.56%   11,643 GH/s
Mar 16 2012   1,498,294   0.09%   10,725 GH/s

Just reviewing this.  It may be that the next adjustment comes about  Thanksgiving Thursday or black Friday.  Since KNC has been slow to ship and no one else has shipped a lot of gear  we could get a low jump like we did last diff adjustment.  

Short term  this mean our KNC r5-r6  may whale  away for  5 days plus the new adjustment of  under 20% for 10 more days or so.    this would also be true for the r9-r12 black arrow rigs.  I always pop up with early projections.  So counting chickens is not the best practice.  

Still looks like 15 -16 days at decent diff. the current 609 mill then 720 mill (a guess).

 I am  Hoping for this btc  price bull run to  at last past Christmas into early next year.

As a tax tip.  cashing in coins on Jan 1-10  of  2014 means taxes will be due April 15, 2015.  Cashing in coins from now until dec 31st means tax will be due on them April 15, 2014.

  These tax facts have  caused many price drops in stocks in early Jan year after year.
 So I suspect that the stock aspect of BTC may mean a Jan. sell off. Myself I am doing the coins come in cash them out method.  I may put in for a few more shares of buy 17 when our dividends get paid this week.

Once again hats off to the guys running this.  Thomas, Bob,DZ  thanks again for doing the right thing.



As for selling the rig I wonder  if should consider selling it for 10 btc (8k)

 we can get 14.25btc for it. based on this auction:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=341620.0    

 180gh went for 4.75 btc       untested un proven gear.  our rig is tested and works we hash at 550gh.

  I figure it earns about  5-6 btc in the next 2 weeks we should have good diff the next 2 weeks.  I lean towards  hashing till the 10 of dec or longer.

[Thyatis]

Anyone selling shares pm me

[-Redacted-]

Sold the 86 namecoins we've accumulated for 0.61 BTC - so we'll have a little bonus addition to the next payout. 

It's hard to believe that we're now up 300% in USD terms, and it looks like we'll continue to be profitable well into December, maybe even into January...

[floatyfish]

Sold the 86 namecoins we've accumulated for 0.61 BTC - so we'll have a little bonus addition to the next payout. 

It's hard to believe that we're now up 300% in USD terms, and it looks like we'll continue to be profitable well into December, maybe even into January...

Excellent, luckily for this GB HashFast appears to be blowing up, so there probably won't be a huge difficulty jump in late December.

[philipma1957]

hhey  hey hey we need this today!!!


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[DyslexicZombei]

We now have R19 Neptune set up by request from our co-op.

However, I can't believe the prices that people are actually *still* paying on ebay for these:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=knc+jupiter&LH_Complete=1&rt=nc

What's the general consensus on this? Even w/ ebay's awful fees, we'd still all stand to gain by selling soon, if that's what our majority want. A sale at this price is likely to be well over what the unit will generate (unless BTC prices continue to skyrocket).

If so: let me know as I need to go get my PayPal acct. out of limited status (they're not happy when you do a CC chargeback on BFL Jallys outside PayPal's 45 day refund window). That or we'll sell it thru Thomas's or Philip's account, if he's game.

Starting a vote. Please vote and tell your friends and tell other R5-6 co-op members to vote if you'd like to influence this vote.

Also: please follow up with a PM or public vote, including your number of share votes. We'll hold voting thru Saturday evening. Hopefully everyone will have stopped by before then.

Please also feel free to discuss the pros vs. cons of this early sale.

Thanks!

[mrm0]

How about selling one (with a starting price +$25k) and keeping the other, distributing hashrate and proceeds between both R5 & R6?

[-Redacted-]

Yes to sell one.  5 shares R5 and 5 shares R6.

[Miramyn]

Sell 1 Keep 1
1 share

[baros008]

YES to sell one, 10 shares in R5

[bobsag3]

Sell 1 keep one.