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November 19, 2013, 12:44:45 AM
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...but this ridiculous price bubble will destroy Bitcoin and probably all other cryptocurrencies when it pops. For 99.99% of the Bitcoin community this is irrelevant as you are involved purely to profit, you have no ideological interest in the underlying concept, but for those who are genuinely interested in alternative currency models it's a pending disaster.

The speculators will move on when it crashes, the winners will take their winnings and the losers will lick their wounds. The people left behind who are ideologically invested and not just financially so will find they've been left salted earth.

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November 19, 2013, 12:45:52 AM
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This was said about the previous 2 bubble-crash cycles as well.

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November 19, 2013, 12:47:02 AM
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I'm sure we're going to have a major correction at some point, but it won't destroy bitcoin.

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November 19, 2013, 12:47:34 AM
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...but this ridiculous price bubble will destroy Bitcoin and probably all other cryptocurrencies when it pops. For 99.99% of the Bitcoin community this is irrelevant as you are involved purely to profit, you have no ideological in the underlying concept, but for those who are genuinely interested in alternative currency models it's a pending disaster.

The speculators will move on when it crashes, the winners will take their winnings and the losers will lick their wounds. The people left behind who are ideologically invested and not just financially so will find they've been left salted earth.



This has been said forever.

Its just the way Bitcoin works. It bubbles, crashes to a higher point than when it started, then everybody says its dead, and a couple of months later we're back at all time highs both in terms of price and adoption.

The speculator's aim to profit just provides further liquidity & gets us some press coverage. No harm done.

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November 19, 2013, 12:47:49 AM
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Take time to enjoy the moment, this is only the third time in my life I've got to enjoy the madness. Today stands out however, US reg looks good, CNY 1000USD broken, possible CNY gold parity before the day is out.....not exactly an everyday occurance.
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November 19, 2013, 12:48:03 AM
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Even theoretically there will never be more than 21 million Bitcoin. In order it to became even relatively adopted money the price will have to go to the "ridiculous" heights.
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November 19, 2013, 12:50:13 AM
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You obviously weren't around in April.

In Januuary we were at about $12. In April we soared to $266, followed by a huge crash. Bitcoin had gone up over 20 times in just about 4 months, the vast majority of that in early April itself.

We have just seen Bitcoin go up about 7 times in value.

It's true, the value is increasing exponentially. Even the rate it increasing and I predict a crash within the next 3 days.

But it certainly won't destroy bitcoin.
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November 19, 2013, 12:50:59 AM
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+110% in china lol.

oh aye, a correction is coming, I'm sure I'm not the only one that will just hold tight through it though.

(like i did in april)

(like i did in july '11)

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November 19, 2013, 12:52:50 AM
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This was said about the previous 2 bubble-crash cycles as well.

Those were arguable the result of poor exchange architecture. I don't think there has been a real crash yet, but one is coming and because of this huge price run up its going to be messy. Very, very messy.
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November 19, 2013, 12:55:34 AM
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...but this ridiculous price bubble will destroy Bitcoin and probably all other cryptocurrencies when it pops. For 99.99% of the Bitcoin community this is irrelevant as you are involved purely to profit, you have no ideological interest in the underlying concept, but for those who are genuinely interested in alternative currency models it's a pending disaster.

The speculators will move on when it crashes, the winners will take their winnings and the losers will lick their wounds. The people left behind who are ideologically invested and not just financially so will find they've been left salted earth.



I don't think so. China is celebrating Bitcoin. I think that timing with hearings today isn't accidental. After the bubble, Bitcoin is much safer investment than it was ever before.
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November 19, 2013, 12:56:01 AM
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Even theoretically there will never be more than 21 million Bitcoin. In order it to became even relatively adopted money the price will have to go to the "ridiculous" heights.


But that isn't going to happen, get off the kool aid. Bitcoin isn't really seeing wider acceptability as a day to day currency,  but there is a lot of effort going into making it a better tool for speculation. Like I say, it will end badly.
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November 19, 2013, 12:57:56 AM
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I don't think there has been a real crash yet, but one is coming and because of this huge price run up its going to be messy. Very, very messy.

And a goddamn awesome buying opportuity.

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November 19, 2013, 01:00:01 AM
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This was said about the previous 2 bubble-crash cycles as well.

Those were arguable the result of poor exchange architecture. I don't think there has been a real crash yet, but one is coming and because of this huge price run up its going to be messy. Very, very messy.
No, they weren't. I was here, so I should know. We crashed in the past because the bubbles popped. Then, people blamed the most recent "bad thing" as the cause. Just watch, the same will happen here.

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November 19, 2013, 01:01:27 AM
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I don't think there has been a real crash yet, but one is coming and because of this huge price run up its going to be messy. Very, very messy.

And a goddamn awesome buying opportuity.


Which will simply start the process of building a bubble again. If any currency is to succeed it needs to be part of people's daily lives, used for paying for goods and services.
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November 19, 2013, 01:02:39 AM
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It's not going to destroy bitcoin, long term these values are still peanuts. So if you believe bitcoin will succeed it doesn't matter whether bitcoin will crash again soon or not, it has happened many times before and it's all part of the growth phase. People who bought in high will just have to be patient, just like those who bought at the $266 high back in April. Smiley

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November 19, 2013, 01:05:19 AM
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You cant destroy Bitcoin. Even with 1$/BTC you can still use it as f*cking BITCOIN
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November 19, 2013, 01:06:24 AM
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It's not going to destroy bitcoin, long term these values are still peanuts. So if you believe bitcoin will succeed it doesn't matter whether bitcoin will crash again soon or not, it has happened many times before and it's all part of the growth phase. People who bought in high will just have to be patient, just like those who bought at the $266 high back in April. Smiley

Psychologically it is rather different to ride out extreme volatility when you are an early adopter whose Bitcoin holdings maybe cost a few hundred dollars versus those who have thousands tied up. This is a fundamental truth Bitcoiners don't seem to grasp. There is now a lot of invested capital propping up Bitcoin, and if that capital is threatened it will be withdrawn.
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November 19, 2013, 01:07:17 AM
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Can't decide if OP is just a troll, or genuinely incapable of waiting a few years for a new idea to become accepted.

revans, you do realise that Bitcoin is trying to grow from nothing to becoming a competing world currency. The only way for it to get there is for the market cap to go from zero to several hundred billion dollars. If we manage that within 10 years, it will involve phenomenal growth, something along the lines of what we're seeing right now.

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November 19, 2013, 01:11:55 AM
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...but this ridiculous price bubble will destroy Bitcoin and probably all other cryptocurrencies when it pops. For 99.99% of the Bitcoin community this is irrelevant as you are involved purely to profit, you have no ideological interest in the underlying concept, but for those who are genuinely interested in alternative currency models it's a pending disaster.

The speculators will move on when it crashes, the winners will take their winnings and the losers will lick their wounds. The people left behind who are ideologically invested and not just financially so will find they've been left salted earth.



When I first heard of Bitcoin, I thought it was an ingenious anti-establishment venture, and I decided that I was going to put 500GBP into it just to support the venture....but I never did.

Around the time of the first Bitcoin Crash (July 2011), when some US politician very kindly publicised Silk Road, I was right on it, with hundreds of Bitcoin passing through my hands in exchange for manner of exotic mind altering substances. At this point, I seen the huge potential of a highly liquid digital asset, anonymous enough to be used for transactions in Class A substances (and also much more nefarious items no doubt). I thought at this point, (Bitcoins ~ $10 USD), that I was going to put a few grand into the coin as a wild card investment that may just pay off, but I never did.

Then the March/April 2013 came around. I was holding only 2 Btc in my wallet. I called it out as a bubble as Btc passed 50 USD, and never got involved (again, much to my personal chagrin). I witnessed the hubris on this site and other sites, full of clueless tools with their cowcrap paradigms of what was driving Bitcoins. Then April 14th came around, we know what happened. I viewed the whole phenomena as hugely destructive to Bitcoin's future as the sort of underground digital currency that I thought it might be, and for this very reason, did suspect that the bubble/crash phenomena was deliberate, and suspected that it would happen again, and again, until one day, it couldn't, or wouldn't be allowed to happen again. I swore that next time, I was going to get and hold until the parabolic stage. I got in, and sold at $330 (again, much to my chagrin), immediately sensing the error of my ways, I tried to get 5K of GBPs wired across to my Bitstamp account. In the week that has went past since (funds still not at Bitstamp), Bitcoin has doubled. Now, after the parabolic and erratic behaviour today, there is no fkn way am I putting a penny of my hard earned dosh into Btc. If history is anything to go by, the top could be 300% of profits away from me getting cold feet and turning bearish, but the crash will come and it will once again, be hard.

Next time around, after the crash and the price begins to show stability at a certain level once again, I will be diving into Bitcoin with a sizeable proportion of my personal capital, and will see how long I can ride the waves before cashing out like a little pussy some 300-400% from the top.

Point is, in my personal estimations, Bitcoin has went from an interesting anarchic innovation, to a real contender as a reliable alternative currency that can allow the little man to operate out from under the nose of corporate governance, to the ultimate speculative roller coaster device. The reality today, is that 99.9% of the Bitcoin fraternity are seeking massive profits.

I very much agree with the salted Earth analogy, but like everyone else, would also glady profit from the cannibalisation of something that could have transformed humanity for the better, in order to improve my personal lot in the current corrupt petrodollar economic hegemony.

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November 19, 2013, 01:13:45 AM
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Can't decide if OP is just a troll, or genuinely incapable of waiting a few years for a new idea to become accepted.

revans, you do realise that Bitcoin is trying to grow from nothing to becoming a competing world currency. The only way for it to get there is for the market cap to go from zero to several hundred billion dollars. If we manage that within 10 years, it will involve phenomenal growth, something along the lines of what we're seeing right now.

Good things come to those who wait.


Wrong.

Your lexicon betrays your true motives...market cap; ffs

If Bitcoin is to be a real currency its relative value to that which it seeks to supplant is irrelevant. The way for its value to grow is by providing value by becoming a ubiquitous medium of exchange. Indeed, that was the plan initially, then somewhere along the way that idea was ditched and the speculators moved in.
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