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I often see the word 'manipulation' in cryptocurrency world. I only have general sense of that, but I have some questions about it. How exactly do these whales do this? Is there a way to spot it? And is there any chance these whales lose money?
When there's a major movement in the market that is inexplainable then they are the people who are behind it. Injecting millions of dollars, dumping thousands of bitcoin and other things that only whales can fulfill. I know they experience lose too but they can recover it easily.
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June 06, 2018, 09:23:57 AM |
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A group of whale inject and withdraw investment massively which effect the market and most people get panic if market suddenly falls,this is the situation to hold with patience and never panic sell.Actually no one know the next step of whale but past history and events help to save money.
Yeah maybe it's done by them, whales usually have a very large amount of bitcoin, if they sell most of their coins of course it will affect the market, so in general they can manipulate with the amount of coins they have, especially if the news support it, of course price manipulation will be successful Market is depending more upon the major factors and with the passage of time these factors change on different levels. The market demand and supply is the major rules for any product’s price or for the price of coins in case of crypto market. When more number of people is entering into the market with huge investments then the market starts improvement and goes high in value.
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June 06, 2018, 09:39:03 AM |
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I often see the word 'manipulation' in cryptocurrency world. I only have general sense of that, but I have some questions about it. How exactly do these whales do this? Is there a way to spot it? And is there any chance these whales lose money?
The biggest reason for this is that the market value is low. someone with a lot of money (we call them ''whales'') enters the market and can change the direction of the candles as desired. However, when market value will increase in the future, whales will not do that.
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June 06, 2018, 09:57:44 AM |
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Cryptos, as any other asset listed freely on an exchange, can't avoid financial collusions. Big players with big sums can control the market easily, regulating the volume of demand and offer. BTC is decentralized, but strong laws of rich and poor man works here 100% the same way as in any other sphere of life
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June 06, 2018, 12:29:15 PM |
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it seems that these whales who have very large trading capital and have a very long trading experience are very easy to manipulate the price at the exchange, just by using some bad news and good news to help the movement of the whales.
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June 06, 2018, 12:50:17 PM |
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it seems that these whales who have very large trading capital and have a very long trading experience are very easy to manipulate the price at the exchange, just by using some bad news and good news to help the movement of the whales.
news greatly influences the movement of the market, so they use it to expedite the action. with large funds and driven by other traders who believe the news then they easily change the price
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June 06, 2018, 01:07:14 PM |
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in my opinion "whales" manipulate market price conditions by mocking prices when bad news instantly destroys bitcoin after it raise again and do it repeatedly.
very true and it's just a whale game to control bitcoin prices. because if the price of bitcoin is so high then for investors who will invest the money it must think deeper because bitcoin is still in high numbers
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June 06, 2018, 01:34:49 PM |
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Anyone that have lots of money can become a whale. So yes, there is the tendency that some of these whales will lose. Whales do battle it out too. This is not common because in every trading markets whales exists.
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June 06, 2018, 01:47:27 PM |
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The point of their action is to simply end up with more BTC, that requires FUD to initiate panic selling. Whales simply buy new things cheaper than 99% and then sell for profit. (VC, private sale)
They spend a lot of their money to buy the coins and then the demand for them increases. The coins are getting bigger, so the collectors reach their peak, they will sell them at extremely high prices, after the sale. Their prices continue to decline because of the high supply. That's the whale's trick, and we can not do anything about them.
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June 06, 2018, 01:49:44 PM |
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Anybody can be a whale if you have funding that can change the supply and demand of the market! Whales manipulation can take various form and shades! Selling perpetually low on the ask side of the trade could set off panic selling whole they position themselves to buy low on the bid side of the market!
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June 06, 2018, 01:53:35 PM |
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very true and it's just a whale game to control bitcoin prices. because if the price of bitcoin is so high then for investors who will invest the money it must think deeper because bitcoin is still in high numbers
You people even believe that the market metrics are just what has been posted on coinmarketcap and nothing else? There are lot of illicit trades going on which do not make any contribution to the charts and thus we dont see the biggest portion of the market where whales make the pump or dump actually. Whales are mostly staying away from the exchanges and work underground. They would not reveal how they got hold of that coins or how they are going to manipulate the market. You people can keep on dreaming. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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June 10, 2018, 12:37:21 PM |
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A group of whale inject and withdraw investment massively which effect the market and most people get panic if market suddenly falls,this is the situation to hold with patience and never panic sell.Actually no one know the next step of whale but past history and events help to save money.
Yeah maybe it's done by them, whales usually have a very large amount of bitcoin, if they sell most of their coins of course it will affect the market, so in general they can manipulate with the amount of coins they have, especially if the news support it, of course price manipulation will be successful Whales are known as an indivisual or a group of people that manipulate the market in their two scents. Whales are the big players in crypto maket. They have a stagegy to own a huge amount of coins, truly whales take advantage of the downward trend in the market so that they can buy so many coins with low price. Generally, if you feel panic or even can’t control your emotion when the market’s going down, you are more likely to buy with low, which give whales a chance to reap a huge fruits. Therefore, all of us should be more careful in making decision to sell or buy .
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June 16, 2018, 08:02:52 PM |
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A group of whale inject and withdraw investment massively which effect the market and most people get panic if market suddenly falls,this is the situation to hold with patience and never panic sell.Actually no one know the next step of whale but past history and events help to save money.
Yeah maybe it's done by them, whales usually have a very large amount of bitcoin, if they sell most of their coins of course it will affect the market, so in general they can manipulate with the amount of coins they have, especially if the news support it, of course price manipulation will be successful Whales are known as an indivisual or a group of people that manipulate the market in their two scents. Whales are the big players in crypto maket. They have a stagegy to own a huge amount of coins, truly whales take advantage of the downward trend in the market so that they can buy so many coins with low price. Generally, if you feel panic or even can’t control your emotion when the market’s going down, you are more likely to buy with low, which give whales a chance to reap a huge fruits. Therefore, all of us should be more careful in making decision to sell or buy . Whales refer to the investors who hold a large portion of the cryptocurrency to such an extent that they can affect the price of that cryptocurrency through their actions. When they buy or invest in some coin, the price rises which attracts other people also to invest. This further causes the price to rise. Then whales decide to sell their holdings and thus they claim their profit. This cause a fall in the price and investors start selling out their holding. This leads to a price crash thus an opportunity for the whales to buy the coin again at a low price.
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June 16, 2018, 11:11:15 PM |
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Anyone that have lots of money can become a whale. So yes, there is the tendency that some of these whales will lose. Whales do battle it out too. This is not common because in every trading markets whales exists.
Yes this is right, whales do exists they are a big players in the market. Putting a buy wall as manipulating the market when the price down they are catching to buy more btc. So when the market ups and down whales really exists.
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July 21, 2018, 05:51:15 PM |
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Actually in life the more money you have the more power that you can get, the whales or the wealthy person can control if there are many people can paid by them and get a huge demand in their favour.
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July 21, 2018, 06:01:20 PM |
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Of course, there is a possibility that whales will lose money if they do not manage to sell everything at a high price. Manipulation is the sharp purchase or sale of a crypto currency.
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July 21, 2018, 06:09:03 PM |
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Actually in life the more money you have the more power that you can get, the whales or the wealthy person can control if there are many people can paid by them and get a huge demand in their favour.
Money is everything when it comes to this industry and any people/individual or companies or corporations that do have capability or enough funds then they can always affect things on what they do like to engage on and since they do have the advantage among other people due to money power then manipulation would really be just easy for them. Its not only existing on crypto but these whales do exist on every investment traditional investment firms and businesses and primary target is to earn money more from their own money.
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July 21, 2018, 06:18:09 PM |
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very true and it's just a whale game to control bitcoin prices. because if the price of bitcoin is so high then for investors who will invest the money it must think deeper because bitcoin is still in high numbers
You people even believe that the market metrics are just what has been posted on coinmarketcap and nothing else? There are lot of illicit trades going on which do not make any contribution to the charts and thus we dont see the biggest portion of the market where whales make the pump or dump actually. Whales are mostly staying away from the exchanges and work underground. They would not reveal how they got hold of that coins or how they are going to manipulate the market. You people can keep on dreaming. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) This is real. I guess some people here will just say you are creating stories but this is real. Coinmarketcap would not go that far or they will be running out of business. Big players have to hide for it will be a problem if they are traced. Large amounts of money that should not reflect in the market outside. That is why any analysis that have been done even those deeper ones wont have an accurate one. This is the reason. We dont see it all.
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July 21, 2018, 06:22:05 PM |
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It is just simple,the people who have enough funds which can make certain changes in the demand of the crypto currencies are called whales,the people like them just start the short quick dump or bump by entering huge money into the market then people will act according to that then later they will sell their coins for higher prices.
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they put high support whenever they want to pump the coin and they also put high support during distribution, So you don't know when or what is the meaning of that support, if they already sell all their coin at distribution then its time for them to put sell wall to dump the coin. Meaning before dumping they already sold their coin. On the other hand they put Sell wall during accumulation, If their accumulated coin is already enough, Again its time for them to put support to pump it in order to sell at higher price.
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