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November 23, 2013, 03:15:13 PM
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I think one thing that a computer might not be able to do but might be easily verifiable by a computer is detect "human randomness"

The thing about "randomness" is that it's impossible to tell a bad source of randomness and a good source of randomness based on a single datapoint (is 39717 a random number? What about 12345?). Same goes for any Turing test, which is basically what you are suggesting.
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November 23, 2013, 03:34:49 PM
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Isnt this called a real job?

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November 23, 2013, 03:44:50 PM
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Great idea but very difficult to do.  I can imagine insurance companies, sports companies and alt coiners all loving it!
I thought of something related to a cycling power meter, but it would be easy to fake..

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November 23, 2013, 03:50:38 PM
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Another concept could be based on the unique RNA or DNA samples, which would include the transactions info using a special enzime.  Smiley But it should use viral or bacterial RNA/DNA because the human reproduction process is too slow.


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November 23, 2013, 03:55:41 PM
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Great idea but very difficult to do.  I can imagine insurance companies, sports companies and alt coiners all loving it!
I thought of something related to a cycling power meter, but it would be easy to fake..

CyclingCoin controlled by GPS (no movement no earns) and velocity (No earns by less than 3mph or more than 24mph.

clever idea , i wonder if possible to really get that idea going every phone has gps now.

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November 23, 2013, 04:20:25 PM
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Connect dat xbox kinect and make it somehow crack-proof.

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November 23, 2013, 04:40:32 PM
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100% human solvable captchas

You will need to update the captcha system from time to time because bots will catch up with it after a certain period of time
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November 23, 2013, 04:42:53 PM
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or perhaps a virtual world with various occupations such as mining, crafting and so on

I can think of runescape. It used to have various anti-bot checks from time to time.

In any case, if you implement a human proof of work system, you will need to upgrade it from time to time because bots will catch up
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November 23, 2013, 04:49:59 PM
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This is a neat idea if the details could be worked out.

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November 23, 2013, 05:51:12 PM
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This is a neat idea if the details could be worked out.

Agreed, I know many blow this off as a pipe dream...but one has to think different to truly come up with something revolutionary.


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January 26, 2014, 02:06:03 AM
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I share the same idea. I found this thread serching for human proof of work coin. I think it's the future fore VERY important reasons.
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January 26, 2014, 03:06:25 AM
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Want to add human energy into the equation? Make the user click or type continuously.
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January 26, 2014, 03:11:26 AM
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I know it's a crazy showerthought idea, but just curious as to the feasibility of such a thing?
possible.  i heard they're looking for an Architect


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January 26, 2014, 03:30:57 AM
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This seems fairly simple and cheap to do if you own a gym, and especially great because gym memberships have a roster of ~3 lazy/stupid people per 1 person actually utilizing their membership to a reasonable potential. If you have new, higher-end equipment, it may be possible to interface with existing sensors and only use something like a raspi, or even just have the equipment's internals upload JSON data to a central server which either pays out a special coin or BTC. This shouldn't cost more than $50/machine and would likely be significantly cheaper.

I imagine this being extremely effective in promoting fitness, and possibly the strongest available positive reinforcement, much more so than a guy you pay to stand around telling you you're doing a good job. You offer a subscription-based model which allows users to work off their subscription fee by bettering themselves.


Example:
To join AwesomeGym, pay $150 start-up fee (which includes "handicap assessment"), then $50 or 50 FIT (Fitcoins) per month. $100/yr fee for maintenance handicapping, maybe waivable for making good progress and permitting some form of advertisement. Thus, if you earn 50FIT/mo through decent exercise, you're able to sustain membership for free (except the $150 initially, and $100/mo for handicapping maintenance).

User should be able to earn roughly 50FIT per month with above-average use... maybe 15 hours at the gym, so for each hour of work, you would want to be earning ~3.33FIT.

AG will have a low number of Handicapper Generals on staff (not necessarily essential with smart software and a biometric scan) who assesses the ability of a new user. He will test them on all FIT-compliant equipment, take the best revenue/minute results, and adjust the handicap based on that. Perhaps a fit, young person is able to generate 6FIT/hour. Since the target is 3.33FIT/hour, he would have a handicap multiplyer of .5555. Maybe an out-of-shape elderly person is unable to generate more than 1FIT/hour. That person's handicap multiplier would be 3.


Problems:
1) This absolutely does not require a decentralized solution, and decentralization would be doomed to fail since monitoring to prevent cheating is essential.
2) Gyms profit tremendously from people underutilizing their membership, with over 2/3 of membership-holders never actually going to the gym. I think a good bit of this is made up for with the high start-up fee and the genuinely good things this would likely do for people.

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January 26, 2014, 03:54:08 AM
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While this sounds like a novel and exciting idea, it would never be successful in the world we live in as of right now. The majority of the world's population has become increasingly lazy; so lazy that nearly no one wants to walk to even the corner grocery store, so lazy that people stand still on escalators and people movers instead of using them to accelerate their movement up/down/forward. This would ultimately only appeal to small percentage of health nuts.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see something that would either benefit the hard working people and/or compelled more people to be physically fit instead of having the obesity problem that we see today; but alas, we do not live in such a world.
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This seems fairly simple and cheap to do if you own a gym, and especially great because gym memberships have a roster of ~3 lazy/stupid people per 1 person actually utilizing their membership to a reasonable potential. If you have new, higher-end equipment, it may be possible to interface with existing sensors and only use something like a raspi, or even just have the equipment's internals upload JSON data to a central server which either pays out a special coin or BTC. This shouldn't cost more than $50/machine and would likely be significantly cheaper.

I imagine this being extremely effective in promoting fitness, and possibly the strongest available positive reinforcement, much more so than a guy you pay to stand around telling you you're doing a good job. You offer a subscription-based model which allows users to work off their subscription fee by bettering themselves.


Example:
To join AwesomeGym, pay $150 start-up fee (which includes "handicap assessment"), then $50 or 50 FIT (Fitcoins) per month. $100/yr fee for maintenance handicapping, maybe waivable for making good progress and permitting some form of advertisement. Thus, if you earn 50FIT/mo through decent exercise, you're able to sustain membership for free (except the $150 initially, and $100/mo for handicapping maintenance).

User should be able to earn roughly 50FIT per month with above-average use... maybe 15 hours at the gym, so for each hour of work, you would want to be earning ~3.33FIT.

AG will have a low number of Handicapper Generals on staff (not necessarily essential with smart software and a biometric scan) who assesses the ability of a new user. He will test them on all FIT-compliant equipment, take the best revenue/minute results, and adjust the handicap based on that. Perhaps a fit, young person is able to generate 6FIT/hour. Since the target is 3.33FIT/hour, he would have a handicap multiplyer of .5555. Maybe an out-of-shape elderly person is unable to generate more than 1FIT/hour. That person's handicap multiplier would be 3.


Problems:
1) This absolutely does not require a decentralized solution, and decentralization would be doomed to fail since monitoring to prevent cheating is essential.
2) Gyms profit tremendously from people underutilizing their membership, with over 2/3 of membership-holders never actually going to the gym. I think a good bit of this is made up for with the high start-up fee and the genuinely good things this would likely do for people.

"Sudden cardiac arrest deaths soar as young males worked to death in marathon 28-hour exercise session"

"Gaming the system: handicap application rates soared last December"

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January 26, 2014, 04:18:02 AM
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This seems fairly simple and cheap to do if you own a gym, and especially great because gym memberships have a roster of ~3 lazy/stupid people per 1 person actually utilizing their membership to a reasonable potential. If you have new, higher-end equipment, it may be possible to interface with existing sensors and only use something like a raspi, or even just have the equipment's internals upload JSON data to a central server which either pays out a special coin or BTC. This shouldn't cost more than $50/machine and would likely be significantly cheaper.

I imagine this being extremely effective in promoting fitness, and possibly the strongest available positive reinforcement, much more so than a guy you pay to stand around telling you you're doing a good job. You offer a subscription-based model which allows users to work off their subscription fee by bettering themselves.


Example:
To join AwesomeGym, pay $150 start-up fee (which includes "handicap assessment"), then $50 or 50 FIT (Fitcoins) per month. $100/yr fee for maintenance handicapping, maybe waivable for making good progress and permitting some form of advertisement. Thus, if you earn 50FIT/mo through decent exercise, you're able to sustain membership for free (except the $150 initially, and $100/mo for handicapping maintenance).

User should be able to earn roughly 50FIT per month with above-average use... maybe 15 hours at the gym, so for each hour of work, you would want to be earning ~3.33FIT.

AG will have a low number of Handicapper Generals on staff (not necessarily essential with smart software and a biometric scan) who assesses the ability of a new user. He will test them on all FIT-compliant equipment, take the best revenue/minute results, and adjust the handicap based on that. Perhaps a fit, young person is able to generate 6FIT/hour. Since the target is 3.33FIT/hour, he would have a handicap multiplyer of .5555. Maybe an out-of-shape elderly person is unable to generate more than 1FIT/hour. That person's handicap multiplier would be 3.


Problems:
1) This absolutely does not require a decentralized solution, and decentralization would be doomed to fail since monitoring to prevent cheating is essential.
2) Gyms profit tremendously from people underutilizing their membership, with over 2/3 of membership-holders never actually going to the gym. I think a good bit of this is made up for with the high start-up fee and the genuinely good things this would likely do for people.

"Sudden cardiac arrest deaths soar as young males worked to death in marathon 28-hour exercise session"
They'd have little incentive to go 28 hours. The only benefit would be that they don't have to come to the gym to exercise for almost two months after the marathon to maintain free membership, which probably shouldn't be seen as a benefit, anyway.

In given example, 50FIT a month translates to roughly 30 minutes per day at the gym, which is a pretty decent allotment. Maybe you don't come in on the weekends and would want to get closer to 45m at the gym on workdays.

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January 26, 2014, 04:38:27 AM
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I've been thinking about this a alot...but does anyone have any conceptual ideas on how to create a coin that is only mineable by human energy?

this already exists its called gold coin. there is also a virtual version of this called Dollar which is "mineable" by performing menial tasks and submitting them to a thing called a "BOSS". There are many proof of work algorithms used in this system but the two most common are the "Invoice" and the "Time sheet"....  people also like to use mining pools.. I think they are called "corporations"

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