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Can someone pls help me find a official links? official website? official forums if there is any?
everybody sharing links and saying download that, download this. who to trust? i am simply asking what is the official nxt website that can be trusted???
see first page. what i mean is if i want to download bitcoin official client i simply visit bitcoin.org and same with litecoin.org and there are many others. is there any official website for NXT? |
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plasticAiredale
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January 02, 2014, 01:03:07 PM |
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Going forward from this moment: How can we be 100% sure someone coins are actually stolen? the victim could himself open an account and send the funds there....then after a period of time he then transfers the stolen funds to some new account and carries on happily ever after. MOTIVATION: Those who have there funds stolen may get some sort of funding to compensate for their loss. An greedy individual may take advantage of this. Well if someone was to reimburse the stolen NXT that would be amazing. they could only help the people whose NXT were in their account say before 12/31/2013. The thief would have had to thought ahead and created a bunch of accounts, and then transferred them to fake the theft for this to even be worried about. But I don't know how you get a 100% verification the NXT were stolen and not someone just trying to take advantage. |
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January 02, 2014, 01:05:31 PM |
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Is 17480583094667840121 your new account? That is not my account. Sorry that was directed to PaulyC. Hey sorry just saw this. That's very generous! thanks Gbeirn. I don't even know when I'll check if it's in there, I'm freaked until the *confirmed client.. hah Yes this account hasn't been compromised and has a strong 40+ random PW, I haven't used it since 4.7e! Edit** Decided as everyone should to start fresh new Acct# with the windows installer from Pg. 1. Check sum'd and Hash good. thanks to anyone who can contribute. NXT 14008664550450326382 I did get a pm from another poster who mentioned setting up a bounty for me, so I don't know what the protocol is here, sorry. thanks! Sent 7808 NXT. Thanks for discovering this before too many others were tricked as well! |
NXT VPS Server Donations can be sent here: 6044921191674841550At the end of each month I will donate some of them back to the community. This is separate from my main wallet so you can keep track of them. I will keep them in there and only use them for hosting. |
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January 02, 2014, 01:09:45 PM |
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Going forward from this moment: How can we be 100% sure someone coins are actually stolen? the victim could himself open an account and send the funds there....then after a period of time he then transfers the stolen funds to some new account and carries on happily ever after. MOTIVATION: Those who have there funds stolen may get some sort of funding to compensate for their loss. An greedy individual may take advantage of this. Because of this reason, I think only PaulyC and newcn are eligible for some type of reimbursement/ bounties for uncovering the bogus client. Let's keep the historical record straight here. sparta_cuss reported this before PaulyC, and sparta_cuss was immediately blown off by CfB: Quote from: sparta_cuss on January 01, 2014, 04:05:58 PM Hey, looks like I just got robbed, too. Someone please check this account: 12152013998194592943 They now have 147k+ from me. Had a 40 char random password, capital, lower, numbers, symbols. WTF? Quote from CfB: Can u prove that ur coins were stolen? My account passphrase < 40 chars and contains 2M, why did the thief choose ur account instead of mine? Sorry, but ur case looks more like black PR attempt. There's a clear pattern if you look at all the data: Time Victim Vic Account Thief Account NXT 01.01.2014 12:56:54 plasticAiredale 8439060069775407509 15182566201738727933 18665 01.01.2014 12:58:03 PaulyC 16821029889165561706 16204974692852323982 7808 01.01.2014 13:01:45 newcn 16886318053889080545 9793828175536096502 18197 01.01.2014 13:05:06 sparta_cuss 11794318797680953099 12152013998194592943 147690 Somebody is manually stealing data at 3-4 minute intervals and Sparta_cuss was by far the most wronged. We should check the blocks / transactions/ accounts before and after this time period. |
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utopianfuture
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January 02, 2014, 01:10:26 PM |
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People ask why Nxt is not inflationary. Could anyone tell me why it's not inflationary if it's possible to issue other currencies using Asset Exchange? This increases number of "coins" owned by users, right?
Many people asking wrong questions. This kind of question is not even clear at a conceptual level. Currency inflation has to do with a decreasing purchasing power, not merely about increasing the number of currency. Gold is steady mined over centuries but I never heard anyone complain that gold is inflationary. Everyone can issue their own tokens but the fact of issuing does not make them valuable. People can't just issue NXT and get everyone accept it. |
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January 02, 2014, 01:10:48 PM |
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what i mean is if i want to download bitcoin official client i simply visit bitcoin.org
and same with litecoin.org and there are many others.
is there any official website for NXT?
There is no official website for NXT. Unlike Bitcoin and Litecoin, Nxt is supposed to be decentralized. |
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January 02, 2014, 01:12:41 PM |
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Going forward from this moment: How can we be 100% sure someone coins are actually stolen? the victim could himself open an account and send the funds there....then after a period of time he then transfers the stolen funds to some new account and carries on happily ever after. MOTIVATION: Those who have there funds stolen may get some sort of funding to compensate for their loss. An greedy individual may take advantage of this. Because of this reason, I think only PaulyC and newcn are eligible for some type of reimbursement/ bounties for uncovering the bogus client. Let's keep the historical record straight here. sparta_cuss reported this before PaulyC, and sparta_cuss was immediately blown off by CfB: Quote from: sparta_cuss on January 01, 2014, 04:05:58 PM Hey, looks like I just got robbed, too. Someone please check this account: 12152013998194592943 They now have 147k+ from me. Had a 40 char random password, capital, lower, numbers, symbols. WTF? Quote from CfB: Can u prove that ur coins were stolen? My account passphrase < 40 chars and contains 2M, why did the thief choose ur account instead of mine? Sorry, but ur case looks more like black PR attempt. There's a clear pattern if you look at all the data: Time Victim Vic Account Thief Account NXT 01.01.2014 12:56:54 plasticAiredale 8439060069775407509 15182566201738727933 18665 01.01.2014 12:58:03 PaulyC 16821029889165561706 16204974692852323982 7808 01.01.2014 13:01:45 newcn 16886318053889080545 9793828175536096502 18197 01.01.2014 13:05:06 sparta_cuss 11794318797680953099 12152013998194592943 147690 Somebody is manually stealing data at 3-4 minute intervals and Sparta_cuss was by far the most wronged. We should check the blocks / transactions/ accounts before and after this time period. Yes Sparta_cuss also posted during those crazy moments. Edit: His is by far the biggest yet |
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January 02, 2014, 01:14:33 PM |
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Let's keep the historical record straight here. sparta_cuss reported this before PaulyC, and sparta_cuss was immediately blown off by CfB:
Quote from: sparta_cuss on January 01, 2014, 04:05:58 PM
Hey, looks like I just got robbed, too.
Someone please check this account: 12152013998194592943
They now have 147k+ from me.
Had a 40 char random password, capital, lower, numbers, symbols.
WTF?
Quote from CfB:
Can u prove that ur coins were stolen?
My account passphrase < 40 chars and contains 2M, why did the thief choose ur account instead of mine? Sorry, but ur case looks more like black PR attempt.
There's a clear pattern if you look at all the data:
Time Victim Vic Account Thief Account NXT
01.01.2014 12:56:54 plasticAiredale 8439060069775407509 15182566201738727933 18665
01.01.2014 12:58:03 PaulyC 16821029889165561706 16204974692852323982 7808
01.01.2014 13:01:45 newcn 16886318053889080545 9793828175536096502 18197
01.01.2014 13:05:06 sparta_cuss 11794318797680953099 12152013998194592943 147690
Somebody is manually stealing data at 3-4 minute intervals and Sparta_cuss was by far the most wronged. We should check the blocks / transactions/ accounts before and after this time period.
Don't forget Framewood, too. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg4172532#msg4172532This instance was on December 27. It might be a different issue. |
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January 02, 2014, 01:15:16 PM |
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Let's keep the historical record straight here. sparta_cuss reported this before PaulyC, and sparta_cuss was immediately blown off by CfB:
Quote from: sparta_cuss on January 01, 2014, 04:05:58 PM
Hey, looks like I just got robbed, too.
Someone please check this account: 12152013998194592943
They now have 147k+ from me.
Had a 40 char random password, capital, lower, numbers, symbols.
WTF?
Quote from CfB:
Can u prove that ur coins were stolen?
My account passphrase < 40 chars and contains 2M, why did the thief choose ur account instead of mine? Sorry, but ur case looks more like black PR attempt.
There's a clear pattern if you look at all the data:
Time Victim Vic Account Thief Account NXT
01.01.2014 12:56:54 plasticAiredale 8439060069775407509 15182566201738727933 18665
01.01.2014 12:58:03 PaulyC 16821029889165561706 16204974692852323982 7808
01.01.2014 13:01:45 newcn 16886318053889080545 9793828175536096502 18197
01.01.2014 13:05:06 sparta_cuss 11794318797680953099 12152013998194592943 147690
Somebody is manually stealing data at 3-4 minute intervals and Sparta_cuss was by far the most wronged. We should check the blocks / transactions/ accounts before and after this time period.
Don't forget Framewood, too. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg4172532#msg4172532The scary thing about Framewood: I was using 0.4.4 client. I'm now on 0.4.7e HE SAYS HE WAS NOT USING THE 0.4.8 CLIENT |
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January 02, 2014, 01:16:29 PM |
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The hacker might have tried it for a while, but he hit multiple targets with 0.4.8 versions.
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January 02, 2014, 01:16:48 PM
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So what happened here? I see my NXT have been stolen as well. I only downloaded the client from this thread. Is there any plans to revert the blockchain? Honestly if there is no plans to somehow correct this, I am giving up on this. This is very disappointing.
Account: 8439060069775407509
The 'transfer' went to account 15182566201738727933. It's the account's only activity. Do you remember which link in the thread the client was downloaded from? It was somewhere in this thread, as its the only place I ever download the client from. According to my history I downloaded it from http://162.243.246.223/nxt-client-0.4.8.zip around 7:30am EDT on 12/31/1213. I realize I got lazy and got used to not downloading the newest client from the first post, instead I just downloaded the latest from CFB whenever he posted new ones. I must have not noticed that the poster wasn't CFB. Granted I only lost 18K, but it still stings. Thanks for the additional info, seems to point again to EpicThomas He quoted the original message, but modified the link! And later modified it back! Check: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg4237883#msg4237883 BUT in Google cache (Do not use the link found in cache!): http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:x1fHlORdUIEJ:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php%3Ftopic%3D345619.11820+&cd=1&hl=de&ct=clnk&gl=de |
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January 02, 2014, 01:18:45 PM |
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The hacker might have tried it for a while, but he hit multiple targets with 0.4.8 versions.
This means the forensic investigation has got to go deeper and not limit itself to 0.4.8. Have we figured out yet just who the hell did this? |
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January 02, 2014, 01:19:14 PM |
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People ask why Nxt is not inflationary. Could anyone tell me why it's not inflationary if it's possible to issue other currencies using Asset Exchange? This increases number of "coins" owned by users, right?
interesting question! at least, inflation is increase of the price. if we substitute 1nxt by 3btc we have increased the price for one nxt by factor 3:0.0001 ... hm ?  ? |
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January 02, 2014, 01:22:25 PM
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DUDE! Great research, if I had any NXT left I would tip you  |
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January 02, 2014, 01:22:34 PM |
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what i mean is if i want to download bitcoin official client i simply visit bitcoin.org
and same with litecoin.org and there are many others.
is there any official website for NXT?
There is no official website for NXT. Unlike Bitcoin and Litecoin, Nxt is supposed to be decentralized.Apologies if I get some of the words wrong (as some people seem to be sensitive to terms being misused) I think this is more about establishing and maintaining 'trust' in a decentralised environment where everyone is a peer. The network does this for the transaction I think. How do you extend this to the software that people use to initiate the software on the network is trusted and valid. Cant this be done also by consensus - perhaps trusted people can test clients and submit a transaction signing the sha256 for the client the more people sign a client the more it is trusted, the amount of trust generated relating to the stake of the signer. I don't know if this has any legs. Otherwise how will other clients ever get trusted after what has happened and the ease with which java can be recompiled, modified and repackaged is a concern. In some ways its good this has happened now (although I feel for those affected) and is driving this debate, someones greed has undone them because if this type of attack had happened later the damage could have been far worse in terms of people affected and NXTs reputation. |
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January 02, 2014, 01:23:04 PM |
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who is the thief?
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January 02, 2014, 01:23:19 PM |
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Yes, do notice the date: December 27, 2013, 06:26:16 PM Looks like earlier clients may have also been compromised. Here are my hashes: c079e79d912811d6a0f6f027e0b8872c837a2909db80ae1f80fc4ce2dacba1d1 nxt (1).zip (Dec 6 20:37)
61ed14319bf2c5d0e3fe58200d2f17d572ce8cdd3aec1549f9f8048a9e6ee6df nxt (2).zip (Dec 9 22:47)
ea14310cd4099b03db715e76ef60e8f83dbd47d7bf50129bd8e0c270344a35d9 nxt (3).zip (Dec 11 22:15)
a8ff15b600d95ae8e280c35b14055677372fb20b2825682e9e35b6d68b8dfff3 nxt (4).zip (Dec 19 16:20)
794ec29a44f7dc2e5c00e682c06916b12e394ba43c0741c2ae748faa5baed606 nxt (5).zip (Dec 20 17:20)
5a4007e2ac28b636e6450d16ba058873ee68b619b6c0a649354708027c09c1ae nxt (6).zip & nxt (7).zip (Dec 22 21:47 & Dec 23 17:16)
22f589980583addeafde58588b8f1daed0a38c55cd462abf260d8212f3fd884a nxt (8).zip (Dec 24 14:20)
a15cde30abccf190535e3988eba21bb1974834651f454323e12da32807959317 nxt (9).zip (Dec 25 12:33)
ec7c30a100717e60d8abe50eedb23641952847d91ff90b9b05a74ff98d8a4cf2 nxt-client-0.4.8.zip (Dec 31 16:42) [GOOD HASH]
Assume all are bogus until otherwise confirmed not bogus. Get latest client, check SHA256 hash to confirm ok, install, and move your NXT to a known safe account, people. |
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January 02, 2014, 01:25:31 PM |
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Let's keep the historical record straight here. sparta_cuss reported this before PaulyC, and sparta_cuss was immediately blown off by CfB:
Quote from: sparta_cuss on January 01, 2014, 04:05:58 PM
Hey, looks like I just got robbed, too.
Someone please check this account: 12152013998194592943
They now have 147k+ from me.
Had a 40 char random password, capital, lower, numbers, symbols.
WTF?
Quote from CfB:
Can u prove that ur coins were stolen?
My account passphrase < 40 chars and contains 2M, why did the thief choose ur account instead of mine? Sorry, but ur case looks more like black PR attempt.
There's a clear pattern if you look at all the data:
Time Victim Vic Account Thief Account NXT
01.01.2014 12:56:54 plasticAiredale 8439060069775407509 15182566201738727933 18665
01.01.2014 12:58:03 PaulyC 16821029889165561706 16204974692852323982 7808
01.01.2014 13:01:45 newcn 16886318053889080545 9793828175536096502 18197
01.01.2014 13:05:06 sparta_cuss 11794318797680953099 12152013998194592943 147690
Somebody is manually stealing data at 3-4 minute intervals and Sparta_cuss was by far the most wronged. We should check the blocks / transactions/ accounts before and after this time period.
Don't forget Framewood, too. Please notice the date and how little the community paid attention.https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg4172532#msg4172532This bears repeating: Please notice the date and how little the community paid attention. |
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