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May 04, 2018, 09:54:28 AM
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May 04, 2018, 12:19:51 PM
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Hello again, cotiniber.

Certainly I participated in the Bounty campaign from the middle, but the rules are the same as all the participants.
So I did not count the contents (Cosplay Token Info) posted to the Cosplay Token related thread.
It counts only posts to Alto Coin Thread etc. We post more than 10 postings over 80 letters a week.
If my stakes are invalid, the stakes of many participants will also be invalid.

BTW, the token sale for this project has not yet started, and tokens are not distributed.

Please cease my watching as cotiniber.
I have not done cheating. Do you hate me? Huh


I am waiting for reply.

@Anon11073
What I hate is not you but the misuses of your positions as merit source and bounty manager... Using 30 source merits for personal uses simply because "I am a fun of minexcoin" or you like some bounty manager or you were the bounty manager of that coin, and cheating your signature stakes as a bounty manager to steal coins, which are not allowed in the forum... I don't see you deserve the positions.  It is also crosschecked that your post count was indeed incorrect: to satisfy the requirement of signature campaign, one needs to include your posts in your own bounty threads or your posts before you joined the signature campaign at 16:48:15 on 6th April... To me, the red trust is reasonable to prevent further accusations.



@mdayonliner
Ok I couldn't send a PM to the ICO CEO since I am a newbie, but will check the thread and what is the best way. (I am not an expert, a newbie still learning about the forum rules and cultures... during which I found an abuser.)
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May 04, 2018, 02:09:15 PM
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Hello again, cotiniber.

Certainly I participated in the Bounty campaign from the middle, but the rules are the same as all the participants.
So I did not count the contents (Cosplay Token Info) posted to the Cosplay Token related thread.
It counts only posts to Alto Coin Thread etc. We post more than 10 postings over 80 letters a week.
Since this was posted on the 29th of January, that would mean the week 10 ends on the 9th of April. You've joined in the afternoon (4 PM) on the 6th of April, but I can't tell which timezone the sheet is in. Therefore, let's go with the earliest post on the 6th which is this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1290358.msg34052903#msg34052903 (page 6 of your post history). The first post on the 10th of April is this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2843224.msg34385132#msg34385132 (page 5).
I see 6 posts if you are counting every shitpost that doesn't fall into the 'if here, don't count it' category. Either I'm blind or you're lying. Which is it?

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  • At least ten posts are required per week by the end of ICO.
  • Only posts other than Cosplay Token related threads will be counted.
  • Posts must be over 80 letters and be constructive.
  • Posts with the following topics are not counted. Marketplace, Off-topic, Archival, Marketplace (Altcoins)
I have no problem removing the rating if you can prove the case wrong, but I don't see how you could do that.
The time zone is calculated in Japan time(UTC +9/JST).

Other participants also count on the same conditions.
You say my post is Shit post, but other participants are doing similar postings.
Because those postings are not Shit post in my standards.

If you participate in the middle of the week, past postings will also be counted.
This is the same condition as other participants.

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May 04, 2018, 02:14:42 PM
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Hello again, cotiniber.

Certainly I participated in the Bounty campaign from the middle, but the rules are the same as all the participants.
So I did not count the contents (Cosplay Token Info) posted to the Cosplay Token related thread.
It counts only posts to Alto Coin Thread etc. We post more than 10 postings over 80 letters a week.
If my stakes are invalid, the stakes of many participants will also be invalid.

BTW, the token sale for this project has not yet started, and tokens are not distributed.

Please cease my watching as cotiniber.
I have not done cheating. Do you hate me? Huh


I am waiting for reply.

@Anon11073
What I hate is not you but the misuses of your positions as merit source and bounty manager... Using 30 source merits for personal uses simply because "I am a fun of minexcoin" or you like some bounty manager or you were the bounty manager of that coin, and cheating your signature stakes as a bounty manager to steal coins, which are not allowed in the forum... I don't see you deserve the positions.  It is also crosschecked that your post count was indeed incorrect: to satisfy the requirement of signature campaign, one needs to include your posts in your own bounty threads or your posts before you joined the signature campaign at 16:48:15 on 6th April... To me, the red trust is reasonable to prevent further accusations.



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Ok I couldn't send a PM to the ICO CEO since I am a newbie, but will check the thread and what is the best way. (I am not an expert, a newbie still learning about the forum rules and cultures... during which I found an abuser.)
theymos said in the previous thread, but there are too few posts to send Merit to the Japanese board.
Therefore, I had a lot of my sMerit. I sent it to my favorite coin. (I have not received money)
I will be careful about how to use Merit in the future as you pointed out.

Well, I will repeat.
In this bounty campaign, past postings of the participating week are also counted.
This was the same for other participants.

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May 04, 2018, 02:23:42 PM
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-snip-
If you participate in the middle of the week, past postings will also be counted.
This is the same condition as other participants.
What nonsense is this Huh This is the first time that I'm hearing someone count posts that were made while not wearing[1] the right signatures (i.e. before actually joining). When handling a larger campaign you could make mistakes due to timezone differences, but this one is fairly large so that isn't an option either. At best this seems like campaign rule-twisting to unfairly benefit oneself and/or others (friends maybe?).

[1] Any other manager want to comment?

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May 04, 2018, 02:30:28 PM
Last edit: May 04, 2018, 03:18:37 PM by Anon11073
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-snip-
If you participate in the middle of the week, past postings will also be counted.
This is the same condition as other participants.
What nonsense is this Huh This is the first time that I'm hearing someone count posts that were made while not wearing[1] the right signatures (i.e. before actually joining). When handling a larger campaign you could make mistakes due to timezone differences, but this one is fairly large so that isn't an option either. At best this seems like campaign rule-twisting to unfairly benefit oneself and/or others (friends maybe?).

[1] Any other manager want to comment?
Well, posts while not wearing a signature are also counted.
Other participants are counted in the same way.

It may be a bit special, but it is the rule of campaign that I do.

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May 04, 2018, 03:13:47 PM
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-snip-
If you participate in the middle of the week, past postings will also be counted.
This is the same condition as other participants.
What nonsense is this Huh This is the first time that I'm hearing someone count posts that were made while not wearing[1] the right signatures (i.e. before actually joining). When handling a larger campaign you could make mistakes due to timezone differences, but this one is fairly large so that isn't an option either. At best this seems like campaign rule-twisting to unfairly benefit oneself and/or others (friends maybe?).

[1] Any other manager want to comment?
As long as the company paying for advertising is aware and approved of this term, there should be no issue. This is not normally how things are done, but it is not your place to tell others how to conduct business.

If someone makes a post on Monday and starts wearing a signature on Wednesday, presumably some people will see the signature on Thursday or later in the week.

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May 04, 2018, 11:49:46 PM
Last edit: May 05, 2018, 02:48:18 AM by cotiniber
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theymos said in the previous thread, but there are too few posts to send Merit to the Japanese board.
Therefore, I had a lot of my sMerit. I sent it to my favorite coin. (I have not received money)
I will be careful about how to use Merit in the future as you pointed out.

Well, I will repeat.
In this bounty campaign, past postings of the participating week are also counted.
This was the same for other participants.
I was surprised you learned nothing from the previous topic...  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3443147.0
Why you think you can justify your transactions of 30 source merits to your favorite coins' announcement threads?  If there were no high quality posts in Japanese board and you had a lot of source merits, why didn't you try to look for high quality posts in other boards?  Didn't you think that was more appropriate way to use source merits rather than personal uses?

I think that counting rule is unusual...  How many other participants benefit from this special rule?  I checked the spreadsheet, and it turned out that among all the participants you are the only person who benefits from this rule.  It seems you added such a special rule only for yourself...
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May 05, 2018, 03:18:33 AM
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theymos said in the previous thread, but there are too few posts to send Merit to the Japanese board.
Therefore, I had a lot of my sMerit. I sent it to my favorite coin. (I have not received money)
I will be careful about how to use Merit in the future as you pointed out.

Well, I will repeat.
In this bounty campaign, past postings of the participating week are also counted.
This was the same for other participants.
I was surprised you learned nothing from the previous topic...  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3443147.0
Why you think you can justify your transactions of 30 source merits to your favorite coins' announcement threads?  If there were no high quality posts in Japanese board and you had a lot of source merits, why didn't you try to look for high quality posts in other boards?  Didn't you think that was more appropriate way to use source merits rather than personal uses?

I think that counting rule is unusual...  How many other participants benefit from this special rule?  I checked the spreadsheet, and it turned out that among all the participants you are the only person who benefits from this rule.  It seems you added such a special rule only for yourself...
Well, as you said, I think that my way of using Merit was inappropriate.
I am sorry about that. So I will try to use it properly from now on.
About Merit, it is a post on Japanese board.
ただ、疑わしい行為をした事に違い無いのでその点については反省しております。今後はMeritの使い方に気をつけて行くつもりです。

There certainly was no other user applicable, but posts when not signed were also counted.
I did not add a rule. If I do a bounty campaign in the future, it will count in the same way.

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The drama continues...

There certainly was no other user applicable, but posts when not signed were also counted.
I did not add a rule. If I do a bounty campaign in the future, it will count in the same way.

Since Anon11073 didn't get the point, I started the poll about the validity of his counting as the bounty manager and participant: including his posts before wearing signature, as I wanted to hear from other senior bounty managers/participants.  Your feedback for the poll would be helpful as it has currently only 1 vote from Anon11073 to the option "Yes: it is usual counting". https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3597531.0

The thing is that, however, now I found he sent me merits!  I was upset, it looks like a bribe, I wanted to refuse dirty merits...  Again, he exploited his source merits for his personal use in addition to the abuse of 30 source merits sent for his favorite coins... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3443147.0

No one can rehabilitate him... why is he still a merit source (and staff and bounty manager)?  His merit history needs to be investigated in more detail...  

No way... you shouldn't give me your source merits... again it is your personal use, and even worse for this time, it looks like a bribe...

Furthermore, now the poll is "Yes:1 vs No:0" and I'm sure you've just voted "yes", which conflicts with the fact that you admitted your fault and eliminated your stake.  If you are really acknowledging me about that and thought that such a counting was inappropriate, the answer should be "No"...

You just wanted to finish the argument asap, sending merits to me and voting "yes"...
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May 08, 2018, 12:12:38 AM
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No one can rehabilitate him... why is he still a merit source (and staff and bounty manager)?

"We" do not have a better user to take his place so let's just keep him, he "may" improves? Better than removing the whole Japanese board...
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@Anon11073 I'm really sorry for what I did on another thread. I was under the impression that you were no longer a merit source for Japanese board.
I'll go and edit my post. this seems like I was trying to take your place. I wasn't.

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The thing is that, however, now I found he sent me merits!  I was upset, it looks like a bride, I wanted to refuse dirty merits...
Bribe, the word is bribe Cheesy

Merit is supposed to be used for posts worth reading. From his perspective, I can imagine your post is worth reading.
Merit isn't meant to be a "like", it's very well possible to give merits for posts you disagree with, and it's totally up to you to consider it a bribe. A simply solution is not to do favors for merit, so a possible bribe doesn't work.

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"We" do not have a better user to take his place so let's just keep him, he "may" improves? Better than removing the whole Japanese board...
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He has to look outside the ICOs' box to see the real btctalk world.
I'm actually pessimistic about his future improvement... he doesn't look like reading the threads.  If he is the best member in the Japanese board, I do think the Japanese board is unnecessary.

Merit is supposed to be used for posts worth reading. From his perspective, I can imagine your post is worth reading.
I hope this is the true story... If the merits came from his own merit, I would be more comfortable, but they are source merits.  The fact that he exploited 30 source merits for personal uses makes me skeptical about his merits sent to me...  And from his replies, I don't think he has read the threads and leaned a lesson...

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Merit isn't meant to be a "like", it's very well possible to give merits for posts you disagree with, and it's totally up to you to consider it a bribe. A simply solution is not to do favors for merit, so a possible bribe doesn't work.
Absolutely right, I will simply forget about the merits he sent to me.

Anyway I posted the summary of these threads in the cosplay token announcement thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2821548.msg36713477#msg36713477
since I can't send them PM.  We'll see devs notice the post and respond to it...
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[1] Any other manager want to comment?

I am waiting for the most experienced and trusted Bounty Manager on BitcoinTalk to present his views, but looks like he has gone missing after committing quite a few shenanigans.  Grin Grin
So who is the most experienced and trusted Bounty Manager in the forum and how can we get the answer from him?

I think LoyceV is experienced and trusted bounty manager, who has been in the forum for three years with green trust 11: -0 / +2.  In the poll, he answered that the counting is indeed unusual, and people merited his answer:

He claims that posts before wearing the signature should be included; in this case his posts made between 2nd to 5th April, even though they were posted before wearing the signature
I've never seen or managed any campaign that counts posts like this.


Being an ex-shitposting BM; I think it's not correct for him unless it was mentioned in the rules. Apart from that contacting the ICO to ascertain the case would be better.
It's not mentioned in the rule.  Such a counting rule leads to an easy abuse: one can wear other signature for almost the whole week, and then just before the counting date one can change the signature to the bounty where the special rule applies, and can claim that his posts in the whole week should be included.  One can easily double his stakes...

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I was upset, it looks like a bride[1], I wanted[2] to refuse dirty merits...

[1] What??? How??? Where???   Shocked

     Ohh!!! Bribe...  Grin Grin Grin

[2] You don't have an option to refuse merits; even if they are dirty  Roll Eyes ; but do take a shower to maintain your hygiene.
yeah bribe... funny, I typed several times but somehow one of them was typed as bride.  Now I took a shower and forgot about it...
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May 09, 2018, 04:16:06 PM
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I'm sorry. I was doing the final stakes calculation of Cosplay Token and the reply was delayed.


I was delegated all of the Bounty program from the team.

I made improvements in response to your remarks.
What do you want from me? Should I prohibit my participation?

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May 11, 2018, 07:38:20 PM
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I'm sorry. I was doing the final stakes calculation of Cosplay Token and the reply was delayed.


I was delegated all of the Bounty program from the team.

I made improvements in response to your remarks.
What do you want from me? Should I prohibit my participation?
Read... read the posts... these are the posts about your abuses, why don't you simply read them before asking stupidly?

I suggest you to follow the LoyceV's feedback since he looks like the most experienced and trusted bounty manager who responded to this issue.  Stop your unusual counting and exclude yourself from participating in campaigns you are managing.  Read his post quoted below and bear in mind...  Needless to say, you should also read the theymos' merit thread as a merit source.  Educate yourself more...

He claims that posts before wearing the signature should be included; in this case his posts made between 2nd to 5th April, even though they were posted before wearing the signature
I've never seen or managed any campaign that counts posts like this.

The bounty managers are  normally shouldnt be in the spreadsheet,because the ICO developers would pay these people weekly and having those accounts in the spreadsheet is clearly an abuse
Even if it's all according to the rules, it's a conflict of interest. I've excluded myself from entering any of the (Bitcoin) giveaway campaigns I've managed in the past, even though Admin told me I could join too. Conflicts of interest can lead to biased decisions, or at least it can appear to be biased. As a campaign manager, it's in your own interest to prevent that from happening, and I choose being neutral over a quick buck.

This is ultimately up to the person who is paying *for* the advertising.
True, but it defies common sense, which means that it should explicitely be discussed and published.

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As I mentioned previously, if you make a post on Monday, start wearing a signature advertisement on Wednesday, on Thursday someone might read that post.
That works both ways: if you start wearing a signature on Monday, someone might read a post you made 3 days earlier on the same day too. One way or another, wearing your signature for less days gives it less exposure.

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If this is something the person paying for the advertising is okay with there is no issue here. It is not your place to tell others how to conduct business.
As a campaign manager, I would strongly advise against this if a company asks for it. So far I haven't read whether or not they knew about it.
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$4000 is nothing, does it really warrant to make a huge thread for this amount of pockaet change.
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May 11, 2018, 08:46:35 PM
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$4000 is nothing, does it really warrant to make a huge thread for this amount of pockaet change.

I sincerely hope that you are joking... This is more than what half the people in my country earn for their annual income...

Also, the thread raises questions of behaviour on part of a Bounty Manager who is in a fiduciary capacity.  



P.S. If you feel 4000$ is a small amount; do send 400$ worth BTC at the donation address of archive.org  

https://archive.org/donate/bitcoin.php
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May 12, 2018, 03:49:49 PM
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I'm sorry. I was doing the final stakes calculation of Cosplay Token and the reply was delayed.


I was delegated all of the Bounty program from the team.

I made improvements in response to your remarks.
What do you want from me? Should I prohibit my participation?
Read... read the posts... these are the posts about your abuses, why don't you simply read them before asking stupidly?

I suggest you to follow the LoyceV's feedback since he looks like the most experienced and trusted bounty manager who responded to this issue.  Stop your unusual counting and exclude yourself from participating in campaigns you are managing.  Read his post quoted below and bear in mind...  Needless to say, you should also read the theymos' merit thread as a merit source.  Educate yourself more...

He claims that posts before wearing the signature should be included; in this case his posts made between 2nd to 5th April, even though they were posted before wearing the signature
I've never seen or managed any campaign that counts posts like this.

The bounty managers are  normally shouldnt be in the spreadsheet,because the ICO developers would pay these people weekly and having those accounts in the spreadsheet is clearly an abuse
Even if it's all according to the rules, it's a conflict of interest. I've excluded myself from entering any of the (Bitcoin) giveaway campaigns I've managed in the past, even though Admin told me I could join too. Conflicts of interest can lead to biased decisions, or at least it can appear to be biased. As a campaign manager, it's in your own interest to prevent that from happening, and I choose being neutral over a quick buck.

This is ultimately up to the person who is paying *for* the advertising.
True, but it defies common sense, which means that it should explicitely be discussed and published.

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As I mentioned previously, if you make a post on Monday, start wearing a signature advertisement on Wednesday, on Thursday someone might read that post.
That works both ways: if you start wearing a signature on Monday, someone might read a post you made 3 days earlier on the same day too. One way or another, wearing your signature for less days gives it less exposure.

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If this is something the person paying for the advertising is okay with there is no issue here. It is not your place to tell others how to conduct business.
As a campaign manager, I would strongly advise against this if a company asks for it. So far I haven't read whether or not they knew about it.
I deleted myself from the bounty campaign.

Thanks for your advice.
Based on the opinions of experienced bounty manager, I will try to manage more equitably in the future.

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