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I can honestly say that I've never really met a Christian although I've met many who claim to be a Christian. Upon inquiry, I've found that all of them were either agnostic (they didn't know if God exists, not that they believed that God could not exist) or they were damaged souls who had (in practice, not necessarily in doctrine) been taught that God is "a vengful God" that demanded loyalty and obedience, regardless of how well his appointed representatives in the lives of any particular child displayed their godlyness. The obvious reaction to a vengful God is rejection.
Fixed. I'd probably consider myself an Atheistic Agnostic, because I don't believe I have all the answers or you can say with 100% proof there is no god, and I suppose their could be one or many, but I have no reason to believe there are. Without a doubt, if you require scientific proof that God exists before you can have faith, then you will never find it. But I know from personal experience that a more personal form of 'proof' will often present itself when sought. There is nothing that I can tell you that would convience you that I'm more than insane or a great storyteller, but I've seen proof enough.
I don't really require scientific proof and I don't see how anyone can prove that something doesn't exist any way, but when something appears to no one, says nothing and does nothing, I tend to believe that it does not exist. It was two of every Kind of animal not every species. The Ark was around 500 feet long and 3 stories tall. If Noah had gathered the animals when they were young and not full grown, then it would be entirely possible. Think of how many people can fit in a football stadium.
I think the idea of one guy building an ark that is as big as a football pitch to be just as ridiculous. The idea that Noah couldn't have hired locals who thought he was insane is, likewise, ridiculous. And viri and bacteria can live fine under water. They didn't need to be in the ark any more than the fish did. And what about all the parasites etc? And also AIDS. That didn't spring up until the twentieth century along with all sorts of other nasty diseases that are appearing all the time. Either you believe according to science that these diseases adapt/evolve/mutate etc, or you believe God made them, which would make him even more of an empire state bastard. |
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To most scientists, it is common knowledge that the atmosphere and the world could not contain enough water to cover the tops of all the mountains on earth. Water does not evaporate into space, so to speak and all the water that was ever contained by the earth is still here in one form or another.
I'm aware of that, and there are other explainations that are more plausible. There is some evidence that much of the known world suffered a massive saltwater flooding event around 8 to 10 thousand years ago. That is not to say that I think that this particular story is factually accurate, but it's not necessarily just a story either. Noah’s family also lacked a sufficient gene pool to guarantee continuation of our species once the ark landed. Even if we assume that they were successful in surviving against these unprecedented odds, could we have all descended from only eight original members? Genetic markers, such as DNA, are excellent timekeepers to determine the interval back to a common ancestor.
Actually, we could have. Our most recent common ancestor was during the middle ages. http://www.stat.yale.edu/~jtc5/papers/CommonAncestors/NatureAncestorsPressRelease.htmlHowever, even the bible cannon contradicts itself on whether or not they were the only people to survive. It's more likely that they were the only people to survive that they considered of note. Keep in mind that most of the patriarchs of Genisis are there because they were the wealthy leaders of a large "household". A more recent comparison would be the original owners of Biltmore; whose official household consisted of only three people, but lived inside the largest single private residence in the Western world with nearly 1000 staff members. Certainly, Noah wasn't the only family to own a boat at the time.
Since delving into the subject in sufficient detail would require a book in itself, just understand that it’s possible to observe the deviation of DNA strands by retroactively measuring them to a common strand. This period back to a common ancestor has been determined to be tens of thousands of years, an age remarkably consistent with the ones established for human civilization remains through previously mentioned dating methods. We do not see the five thousand years that our DNA would reveal if all humans descended from the sole survivors of God’s flood.
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"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."
- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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December 23, 2013, 02:58:09 PM |
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And what about all the parasites etc? And also AIDS. That didn't spring up until the twentieth century along with all sorts of other nasty diseases that are appearing all the time. Either you believe according to science that these diseases adapt/evolve/mutate etc, or you believe God made them, which would make him even more of an empire state bastard.
That's still a false choice. It's entirely possible to view 'natural selection' as it as known today as one process (perhaps one of many) by which God creates. Like setting up the rules and letting the program run. While it's demonstratablely true that teh process of natural selection is the dominate force in play today, that does not show that it's always been the case. We, almost certainly, don't completely understand that process itself, because there are many examples of species on earth that do not conform to our understanding of natural selection and it's outcomes. I have personally met many professors that will admit this, and a few that have openly converted to a more biblical worldview due to these same contradictions. |
"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."
- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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December 23, 2013, 03:11:15 PM |
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I don't really require scientific proof and I don't see how anyone can prove that something doesn't exist any way,
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/begging-the-question
but when something appears to no one, says nothing and does nothing, I tend to believe that it does not exist.
There are many things that you have no personal evidence that exist, yet you have faith that they do. I'm sure that I can guess a few. |
"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."
- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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December 23, 2013, 03:19:44 PM |
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The Bible says. Usury: Lending money at interest is bad. (Fiat is money backed by debt it only has value because we are all in debt) Government for our parents to register our birth and we are used as collateral against government loans. The Bond holder is your slave master. Fair weights and measures: Cheating people on the value of their money is bad. (The value of fiat is manipulated by Exchange Stabilization Funds and Bond purchases) Inflation means most people will have to keep working until they die! The most important video you will ever watch on how debt based fiat money really works: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqvKjsIxT_8 |
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December 23, 2013, 03:24:12 PM |
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Let's speak about Romulans and their cloaking devices, do they exists?
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I have faith that Jesus walked on water. I just kind of figured it was winter.
There is no evidence it was winter.  Wouldn't matter. The Sea of Galliee never freezes. It does snow in the deserts, and reach freezing temperatures overnight, plenty of evidence of it on YouTube, and this is during Global Warming.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7aXUW8B9CoI don't believe in global warming, or everything in the bible, but Jesus was probably real (multiple evidence sources), and had a positive message for humanity. |
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December 23, 2013, 04:47:53 PM |
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To most scientists, it is common knowledge that the atmosphere and the world could not contain enough water to cover the tops of all the mountains on earth. Water does not evaporate into space, so to speak and all the water that was ever contained by the earth is still here in one form or another.
I'm aware of that, and there are other explainations that are more plausible. There is some evidence that much of the known world suffered a massive saltwater flooding event around 8 to 10 thousand years ago. That is not to say that I think that this particular story is factually accurate, but it's not necessarily just a story either. Noah’s family also lacked a sufficient gene pool to guarantee continuation of our species once the ark landed. Even if we assume that they were successful in surviving against these unprecedented odds, could we have all descended from only eight original members? Genetic markers, such as DNA, are excellent timekeepers to determine the interval back to a common ancestor.
Actually, we could have. Our most recent common ancestor was during the middle ages. http://www.stat.yale.edu/~jtc5/papers/CommonAncestors/NatureAncestorsPressRelease.htmlHowever, even the bible cannon contradicts itself on whether or not they were the only people to survive. It's more likely that they were the only people to survive that they considered of note. Keep in mind that most of the patriarchs of Genisis are there because they were the wealthy leaders of a large "household". A more recent comparison would be the original owners of Biltmore; whose official household consisted of only three people, but lived inside the largest single private residence in the Western world with nearly 1000 staff members. Certainly, Noah wasn't the only family to own a boat at the time.
Since delving into the subject in sufficient detail would require a book in itself, just understand that it’s possible to observe the deviation of DNA strands by retroactively measuring them to a common strand. This period back to a common ancestor has been determined to be tens of thousands of years, an age remarkably consistent with the ones established for human civilization remains through previously mentioned dating methods. We do not see the five thousand years that our DNA would reveal if all humans descended from the sole survivors of God’s flood.
I didn't say that I was a young earth advocate. You're just making up your own religion as you go along. That's a fine concept with plenty of support or their wouldn't be so many different sects of the Christian cult. That's the biggest problem with Christianity for me. If there's something you don't like about it you just don't believe that part and move on. You do that too much and there's no reason to keep believing. If you take a simple quote like Timothy 2:12: "I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man she must be quiet." That's pretty understandable given the climate at the time but in modern times it just doesn't work so let's throw it out. Or the likes of Leviticus 18:22: "Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman", because it's bad, m'kay. That's obviously not going to work in the modern world let's chuck it out. I don't like Psalm 137:9 either: "Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." I don't care what lesson you're trying to teach or what metaphor revolves around this, just keep kids out of it. Let's just forget that one was ever in there because there is never a reason good enough to kill kids. Chuck it out. Can we just keep kids out of this Jeremiah 19:9: "And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend in the siege and straitness, wherewith their enemies, and they that seek their lives, shall straiten them." Get this outa there. Why does HE hate children so much 2 Kings 2:23-24: "23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. 24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them." Obviously we don't need to read about children being mauled by a curse from GOD. If I remove all of the things that are either sick, disgusting or stupid then I'm not left with enough canvas to paint my religion on. I'd rather just scrap this one and start over. |
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December 23, 2013, 04:58:37 PM |
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You're just making up your own religion as you go along. That's a fine concept with plenty of support or their wouldn't be so many different sects of the Christian cult. That's the biggest problem with Christianity for me. If there's something you don't like about it you just don't believe that part and move on. You do that too much and there's no reason to keep believing.
If you take a simple quote like Timothy 2:12: "I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man she must be quiet." That's pretty understandable given the climate at the time but in modern times it just doesn't work so let's throw it out.
Or the likes of Leviticus 18:22: "Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman", because it's bad, m'kay. That's obviously not going to work in the modern world let's chuck it out.
I don't like Psalm 137:9 either: "Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." I don't care what lesson you're trying to teach or what metaphor revolves around this, just keep kids out of it. Let's just forget that one was ever in there because there is never a reason good enough to kill kids. Chuck it out.
Can we just keep kids out of this Jeremiah 19:9: "And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend in the siege and straitness, wherewith their enemies, and they that seek their lives, shall straiten them." Get this outa there.
Why does HE hate children so much 2 Kings 2:23-24: "23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. 24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them." Obviously we don't need to read about children being mauled by a curse from GOD.
If I remove all of the things that are either sick, disgusting or stupid then I'm not left with enough canvas to paint my religion on. I'd rather just scrap this one and start over.
Yeah, but almost all of them are Old Testament verses, and a lot of Christians tend to just discredit all the Old Testament as hooey to get out of explaining them. I do believe in one thing; if there is a god, I think all religion's would be an absolute insult to his/her/its intelligence. My favourite biblical quote: "nothing" - god. |
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December 23, 2013, 05:04:59 PM |
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Max Keiser states: Satoshi Nakamoto = the return of Christ / Cyber-Christ to save us from financial destruction. So if he says that... all the Christians can start accepting bitcoin  ps. If the Catholic church starts using bitcoin... that would be so great! |
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All the scientific proof you need. http://www.answersingenesis.org/Most advanced scientists all come to the same conclusion that god exists. Just because you deem that there is no scientific proof doesn't make it reality, if all you did was 2 seconds of googling im sure you would find plenty of scientific information. Proof can also be found personal testimonies and observing the world. Has it ever crossed your mind why humanities whole time system is based on Jesus name? The whole worlds meaning of time is split based on the death of Jesus. Before Christ and After Death. Do you think a false lie would have such a huge long lasting impact on humanity? Usually the people who reject the teachings of Christianity, true Christianity not what some church leader tells you for his benefit, are usually hate to say it but evil filled people. The teachings of Christianity Love yourself as one another. And that god the creator of the universe came and sacrificed himself and let himself willingly get murdered for us to have immortal life? So which part of Jesus do you guys hate so much? The love people part? Well if you do than it just shows what a complete evil person you are. Btw I was an atheist than agnostic/new age then I cried out to god of the universe and asked him to show me himself and his true name, and Jesus was the only one who answered. No I was not brought up in a christian home and never knew about Jesus. The things that happened to me which I calculated the probabilities to happen were literally .000000000000000001% chance, the fact that these events happened based on a probability of never happening in 1 billion lifetimes is enough scientific proof for me. If you truly have an honest and loving heart, meaning you were always the person helping people because you were just a nice person. Call out to Jesus and ask him to prove himself to you, if you sincerely mean it, you will see enough scientific evidence in your life to prove gods and his existence. God says whoever truly desires to find him will, I did that day not knowing his name and I found him. |
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MikeyVeez-  Answers in Genesis is one of my favorite organizations. We have given several large donations to them. I love that they are providing answers for people that really need them. Not everyone cares to research, but for those that need more scientific evidence they can at least find it here. AIG should take BTC. I do ponder if Christians are worried about using BTC or investing in it because of what it says in the book of Revelation. I personally think Christians should be very interested in it, just from the standpoint that it is outside of governments control and that could be useful in a time where persecution is rampant. I don't know. Maybe I am overthinking this? But hubby and I literally felt led of God to buy some. Sound strange but it is true! |
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MikeyVeez- Answers in Genesis is one of my favorite organizations. We have given several large donations to them. I love that they are providing answers for people that really need them. Not everyone cares to research, but for those that need more scientific evidence they can at least find it here. AIG should take BTC. I do ponder if Christians are worried about using BTC or investing in it because of what it says in the book of Revelation. I personally think Christians should be very interested in it, just from the standpoint that it is outside of governments control and that could be useful in a time where persecution is rampant. I don't know. Maybe I am overthinking this? But hubby and I literally felt led of God to buy some. Sound strange but it is true! That's funny. God led you to Bitcoin? Is he trying to start the rapture by creating the one world currency? I guess enough time has passed. It does seem overdue. |
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December 23, 2013, 06:47:13 PM |
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although the church did not write the bible, in fact they tried to suppress the bible because their business scheme is not compatible with the bible at all.
So the bible fell from the sky? Church did write the bible http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea |
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I have concluded that Revelations talks about AltCoins: In his apocalyptic vision in the Book of Revelation, the Apostle John sees the “beast,” also called the Antichrist, rising out of the sea having seven heads and ten horns (Revelation 13:1). Combining this vision with Daniel’s similar one (Daniel 7:16-24), we can conclude that some sort of world system will be inaugurated by the beast, the most powerful “horn,” who will defeat the other nine and will begin to wage war against Christians. Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/one-world-government.html#ixzz2oKF6zGl8 |
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MikeyVeez- Answers in Genesis is one of my favorite organizations. We have given several large donations to them. I love that they are providing answers for people that really need them. Not everyone cares to research, but for those that need more scientific evidence they can at least find it here. AIG should take BTC. I do ponder if Christians are worried about using BTC or investing in it because of what it says in the book of Revelation. I personally think Christians should be very interested in it, just from the standpoint that it is outside of governments control and that could be useful in a time where persecution is rampant. I don't know. Maybe I am overthinking this? But hubby and I literally felt led of God to buy some. Sound strange but it is true! That's funny. God led you to Bitcoin? Is he trying to start the rapture by creating the one world currency? I guess enough time has passed. It does seem overdue. Maybe He just wanted to bless us with funds to give to various charities or needs? I have learned that when God speaks that it is wise to just do what He says. I can't see the "big picture" but He can. Maybe putting my trust in USD is really stupid and God knows this so He is saying that I should diversify? If He is ready to rapture the church that is fine with me too. Life on this planet gets tiresome. I had a pastor once say that this life is the closest to hell we will ever be. Seems about right. To "live is Christ but to die is gain." But I digress. As for listening to God, the times in my life when I decided to do my own thing and not ask or listen to God's advice is when I really screwed things up big time. Of course, many on this board do not think that they are in need of a relationship with God/Jesus. I guess they are smarter or wiser than He is or do not think He exists and think I am just crazy but the book of Proverbs has plenty to say about that so I will not post anything. Everyone can just read it for themselves if they are interested. |
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MikeyVeez- Answers in Genesis is one of my favorite organizations. We have given several large donations to them. I love that they are providing answers for people that really need them. Not everyone cares to research, but for those that need more scientific evidence they can at least find it here. AIG should take BTC. I do ponder if Christians are worried about using BTC or investing in it because of what it says in the book of Revelation. I personally think Christians should be very interested in it, just from the standpoint that it is outside of governments control and that could be useful in a time where persecution is rampant. I don't know. Maybe I am overthinking this? But hubby and I literally felt led of God to buy some. Sound strange but it is true! That's funny. God led you to Bitcoin? Is he trying to start the rapture by creating the one world currency? I guess enough time has passed. It does seem overdue. Maybe He just wanted to bless us with funds to give to various charities or needs? I have learned that when God speaks that it is wise to just do what He says. I can't see the "big picture" but He can. Maybe putting my trust in USD is really stupid and God knows this so He is saying that I should diversify? If He is ready to rapture the church that is fine with me too. Life on this planet gets tiresome. I had a pastor once say that this life is the closest to hell we will ever be. Seems about right. To "live is Christ but to die is gain." But I digress. As for listening to God, the times in my life when I decided to do my own thing and not ask or listen to God's advice is when I really screwed things up big time. Of course, many on this board do not think that they are in need of a relationship with God/Jesus. I guess they are smarter or wiser than He is or do not think He exists and think I am just crazy but the book of Proverbs has plenty to say about that so I will not post anything. Everyone can just read it for themselves if they are interested.That's the way Christianity should be presented. Bravo. |
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MikeyVeez- Answers in Genesis is one of my favorite organizations. We have given several large donations to them. I love that they are providing answers for people that really need them. Not everyone cares to research, but for those that need more scientific evidence they can at least find it here. AIG should take BTC. I do ponder if Christians are worried about using BTC or investing in it because of what it says in the book of Revelation. I personally think Christians should be very interested in it, just from the standpoint that it is outside of governments control and that could be useful in a time where persecution is rampant. I don't know. Maybe I am overthinking this? But hubby and I literally felt led of God to buy some. Sound strange but it is true! That's funny. God led you to Bitcoin? Is he trying to start the rapture by creating the one world currency? I guess enough time has passed. It does seem overdue. Maybe He just wanted to bless us with funds to give to various charities or needs? I have learned that when God speaks that it is wise to just do what He says. I can't see the "big picture" but He can. Maybe putting my trust in USD is really stupid and God knows this so He is saying that I should diversify? If He is ready to rapture the church that is fine with me too. Life on this planet gets tiresome. I had a pastor once say that this life is the closest to hell we will ever be. Seems about right. To "live is Christ but to die is gain." But I digress. As for listening to God, the times in my life when I decided to do my own thing and not ask or listen to God's advice is when I really screwed things up big time. Of course, many on this board do not think that they are in need of a relationship with God/Jesus. I guess they are smarter or wiser than He is or do not think He exists and think I am just crazy but the book of Proverbs has plenty to say about that so I will not post anything. Everyone can just read it for themselves if they are interested. Of course Bitcoin will not be the one world currency spoken of in revelations, we probably won't even be here when that occurs. I think investing in Bitcoin just like investing in general with Fiat is perfectly fine. Jesus paid taxes to Caesar and they used the legal currency of the Roman empire at the time. Even though the fiat system is based on evil, there is nothing that we can do. Bitcoin though is paving the subconscious of peoples mind to one day accept the one world digital currency, again just because Bitcoin is doing this indirectly does not mean Christians cannot get involved with it and use it, just as Fiat/Taxes are used for much worst evil things. "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's" |
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