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December 03, 2013, 10:49:32 PM
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Oh, don't plug 110 devices into 220 power.
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December 03, 2013, 11:13:24 PM
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Oh, don't plug 110 devices into 220 power.

What?

You don't like fireworks and the smell of fried insulation?

You're no fun at all!

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Oh, don't plug 110 devices into 220 power.

What?

You don't like fireworks and the smell of fried insulation?

You're no fun at all!

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Well, blue smoke is pretty fun....
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December 03, 2013, 11:37:55 PM
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DeathAndTaxes !!


Thanks for clearing that up and going into detail! I should have figured there was a cushion required.. hence the 1920w.

As you can see im not the only one who's benefiting from your feedback! Thanks for being so generous with your knowledge.. somehow i think your just being yourself but i appreciate it nonetheless!!!
 



 5760W of mining power, done right and safe.  ( FTW!!! )  

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December 04, 2013, 01:20:08 AM
Last edit: December 04, 2013, 01:31:35 AM by perezoso
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A home wiring book will explain all this, it's really not as complicated as it seems.

If you stick to 120v....:

Remember that anybody might have put either a 15 amp or a 20 amp breaker on the same 120v circuit, but that circuit might be more appropriate for 15 than 20, when the size of wire and/or ratings of outlets are taken into consideration. So the existing breaker size doesn't necessarily give you the information you need if you are thinking about constantly running the circuit at or near max.

I would have 12 ga. wire on a 120v 20 amp circuit that I was going to push hard, and not spindly smaller stuff, and I would aim for that circuit to be dedicated to a single outlet.  That's ideal.  (Obviously you need 10 ga if you move up to 240v.)

What else you have on the same circuit matters!  You can't run max load on one outlet while another outlet on the same circuit controls, say, the dishwasher... or you plug a vacuum cleaner into it!  If you do that, then you may pop the circuit.

Space on your breaker board doesn't necessarily mean you have that much unused overhead in your service.  What matters is the load you put on the overall house service - all your electric demand put together compared to your total house service.

If you want to know the amps of your overall service, locate the box where electric service enters your house.  There should be an indication there. You may need to open the box door and take a look at the 'big breaker' there.

If you've got the ability, I think D&T's suggestion makes sense.  Personally, I've got a few solid 120v circuits on new 12 ga copper (which I wired myself!) that don't have a lot of load on them, so I plan to run a couple of miners on them, rather than going to 240v.
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December 04, 2013, 01:33:07 AM
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the main breaker in my box is 200 AMPs  Smiley
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December 04, 2013, 01:39:42 AM
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the main breaker in my box is 200 AMPs  Smiley

Then you are probably in good shape unless you live in some huge-assed place with electric heat, and charge electric cars, dry your clothes, run a half dozen hair dryers all the time, and have 89 inch tube TV.   Grin
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December 04, 2013, 01:40:05 AM
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the main breaker in my box is 200 AMPs  Smiley

Up to 44,000 watts!

You are more than ready to rock'n roll!

WOO HOO!

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December 04, 2013, 02:01:24 AM
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I would have 12 ga. wire on a 120v 20 amp circuit that I was going to push hard, and not spindly smaller stuff, and I would aim for that circuit to be dedicated to a single outlet.  That's ideal.  (Obviously you need 10 ga if you move up to 240v.)

Correction. Wire gauge is based on current.  The wire requirements for 240V are exactly the same as 120V.

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What else you have on the same circuit matters!  You can't run max load on one outlet while another outlet on the same circuit controls, say, the dishwasher... or you plug a vacuum cleaner into it!  If you do that, then you may pop the circuit.

That is right and often wiring can be hard to trace down unless you test every outlet in the house.  Contractors can be cheap or lazy so there may be more on one branch circuit than what it first appears to be.  This is why if someone is looking to pull some serious power (2, 3, 4 KW of load) it really makes sense to run dedicated circuits.

The miners are on the miner circuit and nothing else is on them.

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If you've got the ability, I think D&T's suggestion makes sense.  Personally, I've got a few solid 120v circuits on new 12 ga copper (which I wired myself!) that don't have a lot of load on them, so I plan to run a couple of miners on them, rather than going to 240v.

If you run out of capacity you can double it by using the same wiring and changing the outlet and breaker to create a 240V circuit.

In US 120V is
hot
neutral
ground

240V is
hot leg A
hot leg B
ground

So same # of conductors you are just using 2 hots instead of 1 hot & 1 neutral.  So you can upgrade without redoing the wire run by just changing the outlet and breaker (from single pole = 120V to double pole = 240V).

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nice thread, thanks for the info guys.

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December 04, 2013, 03:00:04 AM
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A home wiring book will explain all this, it's really not as complicated as it seems.

If you stick to 120v....:

Remember that anybody might have put either a 15 amp or a 20 amp breaker on the same 120v circuit, but that circuit might be more appropriate for 15 than 20, when the size of wire and/or ratings of outlets are taken into consideration. So the existing breaker size doesn't necessarily give you the information you need if you are thinking about constantly running the circuit at or near max.

I would have 12 ga. wire on a 120v 20 amp circuit that I was going to push hard, and not spindly smaller stuff, and I would aim for that circuit to be dedicated to a single outlet.  That's ideal.  (Obviously you need 10 ga if you move up to 240v.)

What else you have on the same circuit matters!  You can't run max load on one outlet while another outlet on the same circuit controls, say, the dishwasher... or you plug a vacuum cleaner into it!  If you do that, then you may pop the circuit.

Space on your breaker board doesn't necessarily mean you have that much unused overhead in your service.  What matters is the load you put on the overall house service - all your electric demand put together compared to your total house service.

If you want to know the amps of your overall service, locate the box where electric service enters your house.  There should be an indication there. You may need to open the box door and take a look at the 'big breaker' there.

If you've got the ability, I think D&T's suggestion makes sense.  Personally, I've got a few solid 120v circuits on new 12 ga copper (which I wired myself!) that don't have a lot of load on them, so I plan to run a couple of miners on them, rather than going to 240v.



You make a good point there perezoso!! 

In the garage where i was thinking of setting up the rigs i have a small freezer and a couple computers with a 5 monitor setup and that's it.. My washer and dryer , furnace, water heater are all not in the garage and i think they are on their own circuit. For example my panel shows the "dryer" and there is a 30 next to it so i think it has its own dedicated 30amp circuit.

 
I work from home in my garage so pausing for thought .. The panel is in the garage so its naturally a good place to set up but..

I think i greatly underestimated the power issues miners may face when scaling upwards. I need to rethink my setup and make considerations for noise and other environmental issues if im going to be in the same room with them all day. 


Originally i was thinking of using stack-able GPU frames and literally wheeling the miners to another room in my house when im working in the garage so now im rethinking how im going to set this up.. i would like to end up doing what DeathAndTaxes recommends and run the miners on their own circuit alone but the noise factor is my new hurdle i guess since i cant temporarily relocate them at will to just any socket in my home.




 
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Last edit: December 20, 2013, 12:49:22 AM by zedicus
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Edit : Removed Rant about Superbiiz screwing up my order! Ive located 10x 280x and im awaiting local delivery.

 
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December 19, 2013, 09:40:40 PM
Last edit: December 20, 2013, 12:50:43 AM by zedicus
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Oh man, thanks to some really nice people i just scored a load of 280x's locally!  
 Im off to grap box fans and parts but i had a question about the pdu!


Here is the one D&T linked too!
APC AP9571 1U Rackmount PDU 208V 24A



Here is a similiar model that cost $150 more and i noticed it is labeled 30A vs the 24A on the pdu D&T linked too..


Since im hoping to get a 30A dedicated circuit like D&T recommended, do i need the more expensive one labeled 30A?

like this one -->>  APC AP9571A Rack PDU/Basic/1U/30A    
http://www.amazon.com/APC-AP9571A-Basic-Surge-Protector/dp/B002UOIGVY



or can i get the cheaper 20A ones or the 24A ones?  like --> APC AP9571A 1U RACKMOUNT PDU 20A 208V

http://www.cwioutlet.com/p-4571-apc-ap9571a-1u-rackmount-pdu-20a-208v-surge-protector.aspx?gclid=CK_BldKdvbsCFYiVfgodoC4AYQ




Thanks in Advance

 
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December 20, 2013, 04:55:50 AM
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Here is the one D&T linked too!
APC AP9571 1U Rackmount PDU 208V 24A


I've been using 3-4 of these for over a year with no problems... I purchased them used. They work great... I actually think it was from searching and seeing DT's recommendation that I ever bought one about a year ago. Smiley

It's definitely a good affordable PDU.
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December 20, 2013, 05:45:38 AM
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Hey CH!! Thanks for chiming in.. Appreciate it. Im gonna grab that APC! Im trying to find a local supplier so i dont have to wait even tho i still have to wait till the 24th for risers coming from china.


 
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December 20, 2013, 06:41:58 AM
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Technically, anything over 16 amps (on a 20 amp breaker) or 80% of the breaker's rating is considered an overloaded circuit.  You should try to keep under this threshold for your own safety.   

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December 20, 2013, 07:55:51 AM
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Great thread, thanks for all the info! I'm in the same boat, with some miners showing up in March (knock on wood). I was thinking to run 2 new 20amp, 110v circuits, but reading this it looks like one 30amp @ 240v would be better. I'll have 4 machines at 1050 watts each, but I may be able to overclock those by up to 20%, which would be 1260. The two 20amp circuits couldn't handle that, but I think the 30amp circuit could.

Although I'm wondering if I should have 2 circuits run at the same time, just in case I'd want to add anything later on. I'd guess a lot of the cost is in fishing the wires?

I had question related to the PDUs. I'd been planning on getting some power conditioner/voltage regulators like these (one per two miners): Tripp Lite LC2400 Line Conditioner 2400W AVR Surge 120V 20A. I'd need to find a version for 240v, but I'm wondering if most people use these? My electric service is pretty good, but I figured I should have something like this in the line to protect the gear. Or is that not so necessary?

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December 20, 2013, 07:59:57 AM
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Technically, anything over 16 amps (on a 20 amp breaker) or 80% of the breaker's rating is considered an overloaded circuit.  You should try to keep under this threshold for your own safety.   


Definitely .. DeathAndTaxes was sharing this with us a page back.  

 
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Anyway, long day here in Brownbackistan; the new name for Kansas since we now have an idiot for a governor.

Check you later!

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Ohh... and Brownie isn't an idiot.........  He's just insane..............

You think your Brownie is worse?  Our governor is nicknamed Moonbeam.  Fitting for the Socialist Republic of Kalifornia.

My electricity is going up to $0.34 in 10 days  Roll Eyes
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