Darktongue - Non Delivery of Goods & Then Not Following Through on a Refund

[DobZombie]

I'm really sad and disappointed to be doing this, but Darktongue is a Scammer!

What happened::
I showed some interest a post he put in the goods section.  It was a collection of Spawn stuff.

 Up for grabs this time is a lot of 5 awesome Spawn items for your collection

1) A signed Mcfarlane Spawn #1. The comic was signed in 2010 and is a reprint
2) A signed by Al Simmons copy of Spawn #13
3) A signed copy of Spawn #23 by Mcfarlane abd Simmons
4) A signed VHS of spawn directors cut by Todd Mcfarlane
5)A spawn promo photo signed by Al Simmons

Asking 1.5BTC for everything.  Shipped USPS to the lower 48 to your home in 3 daya.

Scammers Profile Link:
Darktongue - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=62766

Reference Link:
[WTS] Very Nice Mcfarlane/Simmons collectors items

Amount Scammed:
BTC0.93

Payment Method:
Bitcoin Price was quoted.  Was never quoted in any fiat price.  Thus, a refund of BTC0.95 is required

Proof of Payment:
BTCTransaction Link
 
PM/Chat Logs:

Darktongue sent a PM to solicit a sale.

I have a buyer as well as a backup if the first guy flakes.  Asking 2.5 for all of it. I do have one more signed spiderman #1. Ill part with it for 0.5. I can have it to you in three days.  Insured.

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If you want it send payment to the address above.  I'll have it shipped before the afternoon

I wasn't interested, so I didn't reply. But 4 weeks later I get...

Okay I wanted to wait until I was able to handle this myself.  If you end up wanting these I want to insure this is as smooth as can be.










Noe the price of btc has changed since I listed.  I would take 1.1BTC for them.  Now I'm pretty anal about packing and since this is going a distance. I will pack this really well and insurance will be provided. Let me me know

Oops one more

Actually in reviewing the price of btc 0.93BTC would be the correct btc value

Actually in reviewing the price of btc 0.93BTC would be the correct btc value

Ooh, that's so tempting!

How much for shipping to Australia?

I never charge shipping.  And where as I like and learn from you I don't feel bad at that price. I do have contacts from other collector comic deals if need be.

These are all first hand.  And a history will be sent with them

To get it to you timely and safely it would cost me $24. That's not bad. I can handle that

To get it to you timely and safely it would cost me $24. That's not bad. I can handle that

okay mate, consider in sold!

And send it what ever will be cheaper for you

Just give me and address and ill send you a confirmation And my address when I send it

16Ga6CfSaY42cDXaa6CkQABax46J9C9Pn2


I will get it packed now

16Ga6CfSaY42cDXaa6CkQABax46J9C9Pn2
I will get it packed now

SENT!

Status: 0/unconfirmed, broadcast through 8 nodes
Date: 29/08/2013 18:57
To: 16Ga6CfSaY42cDXaa6CkQABax46J9C9Pn2
Debit: -0.95 BTC
Net amount: -0.95 BTC
Transaction ID: 8555a4b494d32f3f5f54f9af22e8745ef143f6aa36582546687aa39531b37b2f

I rounded up to .95

send to...

Andrew Dobbins
145 Whitsunday Harbour Apts
4 Eshelby Drive
Cannonvale  Queensland  4802
Australia

K gotcha just wakeing. Will keep you updated

Then, about 6 weeks passed...

Okay I wanted to wait until I was able to handle this myself.  If you end up wanting these I want to insure this is as smooth as can be.

Noe the price of btc has changed since I listed.  I would take 1.1BTC for them.  Now I'm pretty anal about packing and since this is going a distance. I will pack this really well and insurance will be provided. Let me me know

Hey Buddy!  How much longer do you think the package will take?

I betcha it comes in the mail today, now that I've asked lol

-Dobz

 Shit I was under the impression no news was good news.  I'm going to the local PO in the morning and checking up on it. If it doesn't arrive by tuesday or if I can't find anything out.  I will refund the 0.9. If it comes eventually you can send it back over.

I sure hope it hasn't been lost... it's a nice collection.  I ended up sending it first class with insurance so the PO should be able to help track just by having insurance on it alone right?  Or at the very least they should be able to show last scan?

 Shit I was under the impression no news was good news.  I'm going to the local PO in the morning and checking up on it. If it doesn't arrive by tuesday or if I can't find anything out.  I will refund the 0.9. If it comes eventually you can send it back over.

I sure hope it hasn't been lost... it's a nice collection.  I ended up sending it first class with insurance so the PO should be able to help track just by having insurance on it alone right?  Or at the very least they should be able to show last scan?

You let me know how ya go

 Shit I was under the impression no news was good news.  I'm going to the local PO in the morning and checking up on it. If it doesn't arrive by tuesday or if I can't find anything out.  I will refund the 0.9. If it comes eventually you can send it back over.

I sure hope it hasn't been lost... it's a nice collection.  I ended up sending it first class with insurance so the PO should be able to help track just by having insurance on it alone right?  Or at the very least they should be able to show last scan?

Still no sign of it

You still happy to send me a refund?

Hey,

I sent you a message 6 days ago and no reply.  I'd like a refund please.

Sorry for delays and what appears to be atypical string outs.  I've been trying to track down the parcel.  It seems it's still in the hands of customs. You are seriously the first person I've ever sent to out of the country.  So I'm sure I fucked up something.  

I've been working on a miner project(The wasp) and have had some inner group problems I've had to sort out along with this and my daily offline grind.  I will begin the process of buying some BTC to get this repayed as promptly as I can

That was the last reply I've gotten from Darktongue.

Sorry for delays and what appears to be atypical string outs.  I've been trying to track down the parcel.  It seems it's still in the hands of customs. You are seriously the first person I've ever sent to out of the country.  So I'm sure I fucked up something.  

I've been working on a miner project(The wasp) and have had some inner group problems I've had to sort out along with this and my daily offline grind.  I will begin the process of buying some BTC to get this repayed as promptly as I can

cheers.

G'day!

Just wondering where we were at with my refund?

-Andrew

hey mate,

I gotta level with ya, I really need this btc right asap.

My (soon to be) wife needs IVF and we about to hit the cut off age for the specialist. If we don't do it soon we will never have children.

Between you owing me 0.9 btc (or the spawn stuff), weexchange owing me 2.2btc, and t13hydra owing me 30btc I've got enough there to be able to do it.  It costs over AUD$15,000!

Please respond and let me know what is going on.  If I don't hear back from you by the end of the month I'll have no choice but to start a thread in sam accusations.

I know you don't want to sully your name, as you've been here for years.  

regards,
-Andrew

please mate respond.

I know you're getting these messages.  please say something.

PMs with Darktongue After the Creation of This Thread

Ah great,  so a couple of days amounts to a month down under?  I'm really sorry if that insults you but as of late I have not had the drive to check email or even fuck around with mypphone (I primary my email clients through it). I'm going to have to refuse paying you uppwards of $900 as a refund. I have to be quite honest with you. I did a ton of calling,  emailing and a few dollars spending.  Only to find out the parcel had been delivered.  Believe me this wasn't easy. 

I can pay you the value paid for these comics and the vhs. However I'd like to first provide proof of this research, receipt of transaction when I mailed them as well as everthing else I have on this.  It is my understanding you have been cut some raw deals and have had some fucked shit happen such as the inputs hack. I can understand and have much empathy for you.

The last two months of my life haven't been any easier then yours my friend.  You need to h elp me help you here and not be a gun jumper for a moment. I will be in touch.

Also may I have an email and or skype contact as well.  I'm not even going to read your scam thread so. Direct contact with you is how I'll handle this.  Make this transparent if you must.  But don't expect me to join a shit show.

Many thanks,

 Sean

Ah great,  so a couple of days amounts to a month down under?  I'm really sorry if that insults you but as of late I have not had the drive to check email or even fuck around with mypphone (I primary my email clients through it). I'm going to have to refuse paying you uppwards of $900 as a refund. I have to be quite honest with you. I did a ton of calling,  emailing and a few dollars spending.  Only to find out the parcel had been delivered.  Believe me this wasn't easy. 

I can pay you the value paid for these comics and the vhs. However I'd like to first provide proof of this research, receipt of transaction when I mailed them as well as everthing else I have on this.  It is my understanding you have been cut some raw deals and have had some fucked shit happen such as the inputs hack. I can understand and have much empathy for you.

The last two months of my life haven't been any easier then yours my friend.  You need to h elp me help you here and not be a gun jumper for a moment. I will be in touch.

Also may I have an email and or skype contact as well.  I'm not even going to read your scam thread so. Direct contact with you is how I'll handle this.  Make this transparent if you must.  But don't expect me to join a shit show.

Many thanks,

 Sean

What do you mean a couple of days?  After not hearing from you for 2 months I made the decision to bring this to the community. I gave you plenty of warning before putting this into scam accusations. I'm not insulted.

If delivery was made, where the hell is it?! Did you put the correct address on it?  Did you get a tracking number?

I didn't lose anything to inputs.io , no way I'd trust any of my money to an 18yo.

I'm not chasing $900 refund.  I just want my bitcoin back, any bitcoin back.

I really didn't want to have to put up the scam accusation, but you left me no choice.  I hate being ignored, but I hate having to do this even more.

I'm glad you're finally in contact, as I really need this resolved.

-Andrew

Additional Notes:

I've shrunk the images to make this post easier to read.

I've been checking out his profile and he logs in every couple of days.  As of right now he last logged in December 01, 2013, 06:33:14 AM

Somebody that has been registered since July 25, 2012, 11:43:09 AM, and has 700 posts I though I could trust him.

I've posted EVERY bit of communication with his for transparency.

This arsehole is now in a long list of people that have just decided in the last 3 months to ruin my life.  The Bitcoin price goes up and it shows people's true colours.

[mobile]

Watching this.

[realestone]

this is hard to believe not because i dont believe you but because i purchased some comics from him paid upfront and he sent quickly and i got them within a few days i hope he clears this up with you

edit: did he ever give you a tracking number for it?

[DobZombie]

this is hard to believe not because i dont believe you but because i purchased some comics from him paid upfront and he sent quickly and i got them within a few days i hope he clears this up with you

edit: did he ever give you a tracking number for it?

nope, no number. What you see above is all the communication that I had with him.

The reason I went through with the purchase was because he had some successful sales in the past.

[DobZombie]

I've been contacted by a forum member who had told me that Darktongue owes him BTC3

[Rawted]

He also lied about a masonic ring he sold. Said it was 1ozt and 22k. Ended up being 11 grams and 10k. Told the btctalk member he sold it to that he would refund. That was a month ago.

[DobZombie]

Anyone got dox on this guy?

[mobile]

I've been contacted by a forum member who had told me that Darktongue owes him BTC3

Greetings,
DobZombie was referring to my principle 3BTC , in which was lent to Darktongue back in July of 2013. The contract & some minor blurbs can be found here::Darktongue MINING BOND CONTRACT with mobile / (mobile314) [UNPAID].

There is so much more that can be said on the matter......

I will add that I was in touch with Darktongue this morning. I brought this thread to his attention. He said that he would be making a statement.

[DobZombie]

The thread has enticed Darktongue to answer for himself.  I received a message, and in the interest of transperancy here it is...

Ah great,  so a couple of days amounts to a month down under?  I'm really sorry if that insults you but as of late I have not had the drive to check email or even fuck around with mypphone (I primary my email clients through it). I'm going to have to refuse paying you uppwards of $900 as a refund. I have to be quite honest with you. I did a ton of calling,  emailing and a few dollars spending.  Only to find out the parcel had been delivered.  Believe me this wasn't easy. 

I can pay you the value paid for these comics and the vhs. However I'd like to first provide proof of this research, receipt of transaction when I mailed them as well as everthing else I have on this.  It is my understanding you have been cut some raw deals and have had some fucked shit happen such as the inputs hack. I can understand and have much empathy for you.

The last two months of my life haven't been any easier then yours my friend.  You need to h elp me help you here and not be a gun jumper for a moment. I will be in touch.

Also may I have an email and or skype contact as well.  I'm not even going to read your scam thread so. Direct contact with you is how I'll handle this.  Make this transparent if you must.  But don't expect me to join a shit show.

Many thanks,

 Sean

[chalkyuk]

sorry to hear about this crap happening to you dude.. they are some wrong people out there. i will certainly remember his name and what it meens thanks for the heads up..hope its sorted out for you..

[Rawted]

Here's that ring scam thread he pulled. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=296324.0

[DobZombie]

sorry to hear about this crap happening to you dude.. they are some wrong people out there. i will certainly remember his name and what it meens thanks for the heads up..hope its sorted out for you..

Cheers mate. 

I've still not had an update from Darktongue yet.

[DobZombie]

I've still not gotten any more PMs from Darktongue

[mobile]

Nothing breaking or super constructive but for sake of chiming in....Darktongue told me a while back that he does not have a computer set up and does not have internet access. I am assuming that he wrote you the last message on his mobile device.

[DobZombie]

How does he not have a setup? I sent coin to him, how did he receive it?

[TECSHARE]

I have had similar issues with this user. If it helps clarify things IMO I don't think he is a scammer just very unmotivated and averse to conflict/responsibility for his actions. In my case I had to press him for some time to get what he agreed to send and it was not in satisfactory condition. I think he probably just has a lot of personal problems. This is no excuse for him not honoring his agreements, and people should know he can be difficult to trade with, but I wouldn't draw conclusions yet about him being a scammer. I may be willing to provide documentation on this individual as long as:

1. The agreements are publicly documented
2. You sign the transaction proving you own it
3. He is given sufficient time to fulfill his obligations with this new information in mind

You have a chance to make this right buddy. No one here wants to be your enemy but you can't go around setting fires without expecting to get burned.  If it was in fact delivered post tracking information. Take responsibility and pay what you owe. That is all that needs to be done.

[CustomChickenDelivery]

Darktongue, should not offer deals he is unwilling to complete,

or provides false INFO, as in the case of the gold ring.

[mobile]

How does he not have a setup? I sent coin to him, how did he receive it?

Right, I sent him 3 BTC back in July (i think about it every day, especially at these prices). I was merely commenting that from the sounds of it, he currently does not have a computer setup, which I assume complicates his ability to comment. Either way it doesn't matter.

I have had similar issues with this user. If it helps clarify things IMO I don't think he is a scammer just very unmotivated and averse to conflict/responsibility for his actions. In my case I had to press him for some time to get what he agreed to send and it was not in satisfactory condition. I think he probably just has a lot of personal problems. This is no excuse for him not honoring his agreements, and people should know he can be difficult to trade with, but I wouldn't draw conclusions yet about him being a scammer. I may be willing to provide documentation on this individual as long as:

1. The agreements are publicly documented
2. You sign the transaction proving you own it
3. He is given sufficient time to fulfill his obligations with this new information in mind

You have a chance to make this right buddy. No one here wants to be your enemy but you can't go around setting fires without expecting to get burned.  If it was in fact delivered post tracking information. Take responsibility and pay what you owe. That is all that needs to be done.

I can appreciate your approach and agree with you. Trying to take this in stride and learn something from it. For example, we (I) should have posted this -> Darktongue MINING BOND CONTRACT with mobile / (mobile314) [UNPAID] publically from the gecko. At the end of the day, I guess it really would not of been an aide in this situation considering the personal problems Darktongue is experiencing but still....

Deep down, I do believe that Darktongue will eventually pay off us off (whether in full or a haircut granted BTC is trending at these prices) but realistically Im prepared that it may be a very long time from now   From what I gather he is fairly upset about all of this and a series of his bad decisions combined has brought us to this situation.  I commented to Darktongue the same exact thing, (about posting the tracking information) I hope that if in fact he has limited access to a machine, he post this soon. Thinking out loud, I guess this would be one pile of dirt off his name. Ive written this post over a span of a few hours and have lost where I am going with this!  

This ASSHOLE, Darktongue, should not offer deals he is unwilling to complete,

or provides false INFO, as in the case of the gold ring.

This is the DEFINITION of a scammer. If he will not respond immediately and remedy this, he has NO honor.

That he claims to be from a family involved in Freemasonry is laughable. He is a common thief.

Fuck him and his lame ass excuses. Fuck him for being a LAME motherfucker.

DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH DARKTONGUE.

Who are you? Are you just chiming in on your thoughts on the matter or did you deal with Darktongue and currently at a loss?

//edit* corrected invalid url formatting Darktongue MINING BOND CONTRACT with mobile / (mobile314) [UNPAID]

[CustomChickenDelivery]

Chiming in my thoughts.

My only association is that I personally know 1 person

who has lost BTC dealing with him.

What makes me think badly about him, is sending a ring clearly marked 10k,

and claiming a heavier weight and 14K, then blaming a nameless party on whose advice he'd taken.



I see your point, if you feel he is gonna pay up,
I shouldn't aggravate the situation. I will tone down my post.

[TECSHARE]

If you have a claim with him please start posting the information I requested. If you can meet my standards and he doesn't follow thru with paying his debts I WILL release identifying information, only to these parties. People around here do not take kindly to being ripped off. Just like it was when we did a trade, hiding and not responding is NOT the solution here and only makes things harder for you. I assure you if you are upset now you will be much more upset later if you do not pay your debts. You are being given an opportunity to fix this. I suggest you do so.