TOR unfriendly spam policies

[Sigmoid]

People, having such anti-TOR, and not to mention stupid policies on a forum frequented by cypherpunks and libertarians is quite surprising.

Upon opening the page, I was greeted by a message stated I'm banned for spamming. At first I was a bit shocked, but then hit "new identity", and the message disappeared, apparently I'm not banned anymore.

Dear administrators.

Banning a TOR exit is not only useless in the fight against spammers (note, if I WAS a spammer, I'd still only have to click "new identity"), it's an affront to all that is dear to the Internet freedom fight that bitcoin too is part of. You are making TOR into a public enemy, and not in a very useful way.
If you want to ban TOR, please be honest about it and ban all TOR exit nodes.

Otherwise, I'd suggest you mandate registrations from non-TOR computers (you can use online lists of TOR exit nodes to ban them), but allow all IPs to log in to existing accounts.

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[hilariousandco]

Well I don't know whether they banned a tor connection on purpose or not. but if a scammer/spammer uses that particular tor connection, then gets banned along with that node or IP, then that may be why.

[BadBear]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99601.msg3588694#msg3588694

I don't understand why the very same user is banned or not banned, depending on what IP address they use.

Does my personal "spam likeliness" depend on the IP address that I'm using? Certainly not. I'm still the very same person, no matter from where I log in.


Why don't you give user-based bans, instead of IP-based bans?

We do, sometimes it's both. Problem is that mods can't see ip's (thankfully) so I have no way of knowing if someone is using their real ip or a proxy when I ban them. If I knew they were using tor I wouldn't bother. So you can either suck it up, or we can violate everyone's privacy by letting ips be seen by many more people. The former is the more desirable option, though more inconvenient for you.

[Sigmoid]

...or, have IP bans only affect new user registration.

If a spammer's user account is banned, and he can't create a new one from his IP, I guess the ban has served its purpose.

[hivewallet]

+1 to this, really annoying to have all that filtering of Tor IP addresses.

[MiningBuddy]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99601.msg3588694#msg3588694

I don't understand why the very same user is banned or not banned, depending on what IP address they use.

Does my personal "spam likeliness" depend on the IP address that I'm using? Certainly not. I'm still the very same person, no matter from where I log in.


Why don't you give user-based bans, instead of IP-based bans?

We do, sometimes it's both. Problem is that mods can't see ip's (thankfully) so I have no way of knowing if someone is using their real ip or a proxy when I ban them. If I knew they were using tor I wouldn't bother. So you can either suck it up, or we can violate everyone's privacy by letting ips be seen by many more people. The former is the more desirable option, though more inconvenient for you.

Do you know if this effects the nuke tool?

[whiskers75]

This is annoying. I use tor, and this is just a pointless rule...

[MiningBuddy]

This is annoying. I use tor, and this is just a pointless rule...

It's not a rule, read what badbear posted.

[BadBear]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99601.msg3588694#msg3588694

I don't understand why the very same user is banned or not banned, depending on what IP address they use.

Does my personal "spam likeliness" depend on the IP address that I'm using? Certainly not. I'm still the very same person, no matter from where I log in.


Why don't you give user-based bans, instead of IP-based bans?

We do, sometimes it's both. Problem is that mods can't see ip's (thankfully) so I have no way of knowing if someone is using their real ip or a proxy when I ban them. If I knew they were using tor I wouldn't bother. So you can either suck it up, or we can violate everyone's privacy by letting ips be seen by many more people. The former is the more desirable option, though more inconvenient for you.

Do you know if this effects the nuke tool?

Yeah nuke bans IP as well.

[Lethn]

I don't know about TOR because I don't use it so I haven't experienced this but maybe there's some kind of automated system they've put in that doesn't like hidden I.P addresses etc. Theymos has also had a private war going on against adblock because the ads partially fund this site but yeah, it is pretty ridiculous. So far though there has actually been an odd balance going on here and nothing drastic has happened just yet, all it will take though is somebody to make the wrong comment or something and then the community will turn to hell, seen it before.

If things ever get out of hand or Bitcointalk gets hacked again you guys are more than welcome to my website lol I don't give a shit about this kind of thing

[hilariousandco]

Are accounts signing up via tor disabled?

Edit: Just saw this:

By the way: is it really a policy, that registration at the forum can not come through Tor? (or public proxies for that matter...)

Yes. It's to make it more difficult for banned users to come back. You should hire someone to create an account for you.

[Xer0]

not only Tor, it often affects Opera Mini

[MiningBuddy]

not only Tor, it often affects Opera Mini

IIRC opera mini forces all connections through their central servers acting like a proxy.