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September 28, 2013, 03:29:47 PM
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We're pleased to offer the first release of Hive, a beautiful new wallet for Mac OS X.

Hive was designed to be easy to use, and aims to be an ideal starting point for anyone new to Bitcoin.

 

Hive has the following features:

- An attractive, people-oriented interface.
- An integrated application platform.
- An SPV backend for fast startup.
- Tor support for enhanced anonymity.
- Support for many languages.
- Automatic updates

Download it here or check our GitHub

Hive is powered by a new version of our BitcoinKit.framework, updated with bitcoinj support.

App Platform

Hive's application platform gives new users a tightly integrated way to discover the best of what's out there: exchanges, merchants, games, and more!

 

Frequently asked questions

Q: Is Hive open source?
A: Yes! The GPL-licensed code is available on GitHub.

Q: Is Hive available in languages other than English?
A: Yes! Quite a number of them already, as you can see from this forum post.

Q: Is it really safe for novices to use, right now?
A: We think so, and we are using it on a day-to-day basis with real Bitcoin ourselves.

Q: How can I build an app for Hive?
A: Please see this forum post.

Q: Will you support Windows or Linux?
A: Not unless an exceptional developer steps up. Please contact us if you have the skills and would like to be involved!

Q: Will you support Android or iOS?
A: Yes to Android, native iOS support is probably off the table due to Apple's general despotism. Try hive-js for an alternative.

Q: How do you make money?
A: Our plan is to take very small fees for transactions that happen within non-charity apps in the App Platform. At present this is not implemented.

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September 28, 2013, 03:55:09 PM
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Nice.

Does that require bitcoind?
BitcoinKit seems to require it.

Edit: and also, does it require homebrew?

Yeah, well... I'm gonna go build my own blockchain, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the blockchain!
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September 28, 2013, 03:57:30 PM
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BitcoinKit also supports bitcoinj now, and that's what we're using. We have some work to do with integrating a VM (so users don't have to download one), but once that is in place it is fully functional as an SPV node.

Edit: No, it does not require Homebrew. Props to the Homebrew developers for making Hive easier to build though!

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Looks great Smiley  I'm looking for a new wallet to use now the blockchain is too big for me to store anymore.  I think I'll go with multibit or electrum for now though until this has had more bug testing done, but it's looking good!

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September 28, 2013, 05:12:17 PM
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Looks great Smiley  I'm looking for a new wallet to use now the blockchain is too big for me to store anymore.  I think I'll go with multibit or electrum for now though until this has had more bug testing done, but it's looking good!

Thank you for saying so!

We would definitely recommend Electrum and MultiBit, which are both excellent light wallets. Please feel free to give us a try in a few months though; everything should be much smoother and safer then. ;-)

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Looks awesome! Will surely try this one as soon as it's a bit more stable.

Nice work!

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Wow, this looks great
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Looks nice.

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Beautiful design.

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Brillant and beautiful design! Grin

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I unzipped and ran it, but the apps window was completely empty ...
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I unzipped and ran it, but the apps window was completely empty ...

Yeah that is also happening to me I am using Hive-2013092601md and I am on Mac OSX 10.8.5

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wow it looks really good! Double thumbs up.
now all you gotta do is to just integrate it with Facebook Wink

PS: Apps page blank - OSX 10.7

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Brillant and beautiful design! Grin

Thanks very much everyone.

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I unzipped and ran it, but the apps window was completely empty ...

Sorry about that, we're actually uploading a new build right now that has some apps packed in (as well as a working auto-updater). It should be ready to go in about 15 minutes.

Edit: Uploaded.

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This app has a lot of potential. Definitely watching this. Good luck.
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Downloaded again. Still blank. Actually every tab except the last is blank.
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Looks really nice. Hope that exceptional developer steps up and makes it for Windows  Grin
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Downloaded again. Still blank. Actually every tab except the last is blank.

Mike, try deleting ~/Library/Preferences/com.grabhive.Hive.plist and re-running Hive. As far as those other tabs go, they're blank presumably because you haven't added any contacts or made any transactions yet. To help users understand that, we're going to add screens like this:


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This looks awesome, I will have to try it out!


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Finally a great looking wallet for Mac users. Looking forward to see this evolving!

When opening the app the first time, it's not really clear what each sub page is doing. A short one-sentence description on each page would be great.

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Any plans for Litecoin support?

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Any plans for Litecoin support?

How much work would it be to change to the litecoin protocol?


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That looks great.

An easy to use OS X wallet could go a long way to helping spread adoption.

Look forward to seeing more apps added  Tongue

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Very cool, great job guys!

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Nothing to say except .... get it finished and I'll use it  Grin

Great modern looking app. Well done. Hurry along now  Wink
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Any plans for Litecoin support?

How much work would it be to change to the litecoin protocol?

Adding Litecoin support would be awesome, and we want to do it. In fact, we spoke with Charles here in Amsterdam about that very topic. Charles said that 'bitcoinj' for Litecoin is presently in development. So, once that is released, it will be fairly trivial for us to add support... And indeed, such support is theoretically possible even earlier: BitcoinKit supports bitcoind, so if someone were to modify that to support litecoind (seems trivial to me), a Litecoin version could be released. We probably won't do it anytime soon because of so much other stuff we need to get to, but this is all on our radar.

If you want to get a head start, how about sending us a very motivating pull request? ;-)

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Finally a great looking wallet for Mac users. Looking forward to see this evolving!

When opening the app the first time, it's not really clear what each sub page is doing. A short one-sentence description on each page would be great.

Several people have mentioned this. Probably we can just modify these a little, to add more description about the page/tab itself:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=304060.msg3257314#msg3257314

So for example, perhaps:
"This is where you make transactions. It looks like you haven't made any yet, so click here to send some Bitcoin"

What do you think?

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A word of warning:

Be careful with the MineField app, as we have reports of people losing money in it (as in, not even being able to play). We will be pulling it from the build shortly, until we get that resolved. An issue has been created here:
https://github.com/hivewallet/hiveapp-minefield/issues/1

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Finally a great looking wallet for Mac users. Looking forward to see this evolving!

When opening the app the first time, it's not really clear what each sub page is doing. A short one-sentence description on each page would be great.

Several people have mentioned this. Probably we can just modify these a little, to add more description about the page/tab itself:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=304060.msg3257314#msg3257314

So for example, perhaps:
"This is where you make transactions. It looks like you haven't made any yet, so click here to send some Bitcoin"

What do you think?

Great, that would definitely improve user experience in my opinion.

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good job guys.  I wish you had a feature where it gave us a running conversion in whatever currency we choose just to confirm our amounts.  I had a friend accidently send out over 20 btc because he wasn't paying attention to his decimal points and I think that kind of clarity is going to be needed for the average user.

thanks!
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good job guys.  I wish you had a feature where it gave us a running conversion in whatever currency we choose just to confirm our amounts.  I had a friend accidently send out over 20 btc because he wasn't paying attention to his decimal points and I think that kind of clarity is going to be needed for the average user.

thanks!

You my friend are a sage. We have already built this feature and it is going to be added to production soon (needs a bit of UI work). Right now it pulls from Mt.Gox rates; will that be alright?

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Unfortunately even after deleting the prefs and restarting, I still don't see any apps. I did successfully receive a transation though, so it's working.

Mt Gox is currently skewed significantly from every other rate. There is a library called Xchange which is what MultiBit uses. Alternatively BitPay export their blended rates:

https://bitpay.com/api/rates

It'd be great to have some support for exchange rates in bitcoinj if anyone wants to contribute.
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It is beautiful. Great wallet!
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Glad to see developers paying attention to us Mac users. I think Hive is beautiful and very promising.
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Glad to see developers paying attention to us Mac users. I think Hive is beautiful and very promising.
I know, I felt abused as a mac user. Is there a ticker that works on 10.6.8 yet? I don't want to upgrade.


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Glad to see developers paying attention to us Mac users. I think Hive is beautiful and very promising.
I know, I felt abused as a mac user. Is there a ticker that works on 10.6.8 yet? I don't want to upgrade.

Doesn't this one?
https://github.com/dgarrett/BTCPrice

I'm sorry that I couldn't test it myself, I have no 10.6 machines around.

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Glad to see developers paying attention to us Mac users. I think Hive is beautiful and very promising.
I know, I felt abused as a mac user. Is there a ticker that works on 10.6.8 yet? I don't want to upgrade.

Doesn't this one?
https://github.com/dgarrett/BTCPrice

I'm sorry that I couldn't test it myself, I have no 10.6 machines around.

I can't get it to work, causes a seg fault.


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This client looks absolutely amazing, and it's a job well done. Shame that it's Mac OS X only, though. Some of the features that this wallet has would be pretty useful to me.  Undecided
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This client looks absolutely amazing, and it's a job well done. Shame that it's Mac OS X only, though. Some of the features that this wallet has would be pretty useful to me.  Undecided

Thank you very much indeed. May I ask which features you mean? And which platform are you most interested in having Hive on, ultimately?

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This client looks absolutely amazing, and it's a job well done. Shame that it's Mac OS X only, though. Some of the features that this wallet has would be pretty useful to me.  Undecided

Thank you very much indeed. May I ask which features you mean? And which platform are you most interested in having Hive on, ultimately?

The apps feature and the exchanges feature. A way to buy and sell Bitcoin within a wallet would be amazing, and the apps would make a lot of things easy also.

Ultimately, Windows. I think that if Hive was also made for Windows, you'd probably get a lot more users.
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I unzipped and ran it, but the apps window was completely empty ...

You're right, there's something very wrong there - I've noticed the apps actually get installed into Hive, but their icons are invisible and they don't seem to load when you click them. We've only added the preinstalling very recently, we might have broken something there... I've added a ticket for this: https://github.com/grabhive/hive-osx/issues/25.

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I fixed some problems with apps today - if your apps list was empty before, please download the latest version from the site, delete the preferences file again and tell me if it works now.

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I fixed some problems with apps today - if your apps list was empty before, please download the latest version from the site, delete the preferences file again and tell me if it works now.

Works for me.

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I thought of having apps as part of a wallet system before. It's a good idea. I'll have to give this a look at sometime later.

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We made some updates while bitcointalk was down.

  • editing personal profiles
  • nicer 'blank' views for contacts list and transactions list views
  • adding new transactions at the top of the list
  • address validation and better error handling in send window
  • fixed moving between contact form fields with the Tab key
  • fixed some error handling in apps
  • updating app icon immediately after installing a new version
  • fixed Sparkle updater problems

The latest release can always be downloaded here:
https://github.com/hivewallet/hive-osx/releases

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Introducing the Bitcoinstore app for Hive.

Please note: as with Hive itself, this should be handled with great care and at the moment we do not recommend it for any kind of day-to-day use.

The latest releases will always be made available here:
https://github.com/hivewallet/hiveapp-bitcoinstore/releases/

Issues can be tracked here:
https://github.com/hivewallet/hiveapp-bitcoinstore/issues?state=open

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Cross-linking to Jonas Schnelli's great-looking MacWallet, built with our BitcoinKit:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=307200.0





Looks like a positive future for OS X wallets indeed!

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Hands down the most attractive wallet in existence. I see this going a long way, especially with app integration. This could be the ultimate hub for bitcoin shopping with simple integration of something similar to https://all4btc.com/

Best of luck with the project, I strongly suggest porting it to windows/iPhone as well.

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October 08, 2013, 10:46:38 AM
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Definitely Hive will be a path opener. The Applications inside are a great concept and looking forward to see BitsPoker on a screenshot of the App menu!

Kudos for the developers on doing an excellent job!

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October 08, 2013, 01:37:58 PM
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Thanks very much for the kind words, everyone.

PS: We are looking to hire a few great JavaScript developers to help us open this path!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=307753.0

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Introducing the Sean's Outpost app for Hive.

The latest releases will be made available here:
https://github.com/hivewallet/hiveapp-seansoutpost/releases

Issues can be tracked here:
https://github.com/hivewallet/hiveapp-seansoutpost/issues

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October 09, 2013, 10:15:05 AM
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I offer 500 ltc for a small open source portable litecoin client with some optimized features, as used in electrum (e.g. freeze, prioritize, delete addresses, etc.)

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October 09, 2013, 10:21:43 AM
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I offer 500 ltc for a small open source portable litecoin client with some optimized features, as used in electrum (e.g. freeze, prioritize, delete addresses, etc.)

Hi adamas,

As per our post here, we would absolutely love to add Litecoin support to Hive. However, I think you're asking for the very thing we need (a lightweight/SPV backend), which we unfortunately won't have the time to build ourselves. I recommend that you contact the Litecoin team and push for the furthered development of "litecoinj" (based on bitcoinj).

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Hi adamas,

As per our post here, we would absolutely love to add Litecoin support to Hive. However, I think you're asking for the very thing we need (a lightweight/SPV backend), which we unfortunately won't have the time to build ourselves. I recommend that you contact the Litecoin team and push for the furthered development of "litecoinj" (based on bitcoinj).
Thanks  Smiley

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Added a link to the CoinMap service in the Hive menu. This will be released to production on Monday and closes this issue.

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October 10, 2013, 03:27:01 PM
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News from the front: you can now add/edit avatars for contacts and for your own profile. There are two ways: either drag & drop an image from somewhere (e.g. from Finder) into the avatar box, or just click on the box and select an image in the dialog that appears.



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I hope a similar wallet gets ported to windows soon, it looks great!  Grin














 

 

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Introducing the Minefield app for Hive.

Please note: as with Hive itself, this should be handled with great care and at the moment we do not recommend it for any kind of day-to-day use.

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https://github.com/hivewallet/hiveapp-minefield/releases

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Enjoying the screenshots. Shaping up really nice! Keep pushing the envelope.
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October 12, 2013, 07:02:20 AM
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Wow, that looks great. I may steal some of your design ideas for my new client.

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Wow, that looks great. I may steal some of your design ideas for my new client.

Well, if you are designing a wallet for Windows, perhaps get in touch with us?

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October 13, 2013, 12:59:50 AM
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i gotta say again man, this is the most beautiful client i have seen so far. It will be real good for the masses to adopt! A few Qs -

1) Any security features?

2) Integration with blockchain.info/Gliph?

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i gotta say again man, this is the most beautiful client i have seen so far. It will be real good for the masses to adopt! A few Qs -

1) Any security features?

2) Integration with blockchain.info/Gliph?

KSV, thank you so much. To answer your questions, we do have a lot of nice security features coming in the next few months, but at the moment the security is very sparse -- and that's one of the reasons we're not advocating Hive for day-to-day use yet. Keep your eye on our open issues for details.

Regarding Blockchain integration, we will be adding some click-through links for addresses for sure, and hopefully soon we can take a stab at remote wallet integration (so you can keep your wallet file there rather than locally on your computer) as well. As always, please feel free to send us a pull request and we'll get it done even faster.

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Introducing the all4btc app for Hive.

Please note: as with Hive itself, this should be handled with great care and at the moment we do not recommend it for any kind of day-to-day use.

The latest releases will be made available here:
https://github.com/hivewallet/hiveapp-all4btc/releases

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can't install it .. error no mountable file systems

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can't install it .. error no mountable file systems

I think this happens when the .dmg file isn't downloaded correctly, try downloading it again. Anyway, we've just released a new version at this very moment, so you should download the new dmg anyway Smiley (it should be named "Hive-2013101401.dmg").

If you can't get it to work, try with a .zip, all the binaries are available here (latest always on top): https://github.com/grabhive/hive-osx/releases

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ok .zip works - thx Smiley

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October 14, 2013, 11:26:05 AM
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Release 2013101401 now available!

  • editing avatars by drag&drop and using an open file dialog
  • added keyboard navigation and improved mouse navigation in the autocomplete list in send window
  • added CoinMap link to the menu
  • added Sean’s Outpost app
  • bundled apps are installed/updated every time Hive is updated
  • added blue higlight in the address box when copying address to clipboard
  • update window title after editing contact name
  • update contact entry on the list after editing contact name
  • moved contact info panel to the left and transaction panel to the right
  • swapped address caption and hash fields in address edit box
  • automatically focus on new address after adding a new address field in contact form
  • removed unused search button from contacts
  • fixed an issue with deleting wallets when SPV data file is missing
  • fixed UI issue in autocomplete list (list getting detached from the send window)
  • fixed UI issue in the breadcrumbs bar when window is made inactive

The latest release can always be downloaded here:
https://github.com/hivewallet/hive-osx/releases

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October 14, 2013, 12:25:49 PM
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Nice user interface, best one i have seen. Gonna get my mac and try it...

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October 14, 2013, 05:14:14 PM
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Promising App! Keep up the good work!

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Any chance of providing a download in App Store?
The App Store℠ has over 500 million active accounts.

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October 14, 2013, 06:43:17 PM
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Nice user interface, best one i have seen. Gonna get my mac and try it...

Thanks you very much, please let us know what you think!

Promising App! Keep up the good work!

Thank you indeed!

Any chance of providing a download in App Store?
The App Store℠ has over 500 million active accounts.

We will try to make a submission once we're stable... Based on precedent it does however seem unlikely that Hive would be accepted. Still, keep your fingers crossed!

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Any chance of providing a download in App Store?
The App Store℠ has over 500 million active accounts.

We will try to make a submission once we're stable... However, based on precedent it does seem unlikely that Hive would be accepted. Keep your fingers crossed though!
That said, we will try to get into the Developer Program to at least be able to sign the app with Apple's certificate to make GateKeeper happy - we're hoping they won't have anything against that...

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GateKeeper certificates are different to app store certs. The only terms attached to one is basically "don't distribute malware".
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We are seeking translators for Hive:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=310994

I18n guide for Hive developers:
https://github.com/hivewallet/hive-osx/wiki/I18n-guide

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October 16, 2013, 09:50:12 AM
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A French translation of Hive is now ready! (discussion thread here)

Changeset here. Special thanks to Barnabé Hafner! There are some small UI bugs that we'll have to work out, but otherwise we think it looks good!


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October 16, 2013, 11:50:29 AM
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An Italian translation of Hive is now ready! (discussion thread here)

Changeset here. Special thanks to Nicolò Maria Lazzarin! Looks great!


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October 18, 2013, 11:01:47 AM
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We are pleased to announce our v1 app API, now available to developers!

Hive apps are made with HTML, CSS and JavaScript. They're basically just websites with JavaScript code, running in an embedded browser inside the Hive window. You can use most features you'd expect from a standard modern web browser.

Full instructions for how to create a Hive application can be found on our wiki here:
https://github.com/hivewallet/hive-osx/wiki/How-to-build-a-Hive-app

API-specific documentation can be found here:
https://github.com/hivewallet/hive-osx/wiki/API

Discussion can be found here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=313352

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October 18, 2013, 11:22:57 PM
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I like it so far!!

One feature I would like is QR codes for the addresses like what you get with blockchain's wallet. It makes it easier to transfer money from a mobile device based wallet.

In the meantime I'm going to play around with a the app API this weekend!
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Observing post also neat idea
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October 21, 2013, 12:35:56 PM
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I like it so far!!

One feature I would like is QR codes for the addresses like what you get with blockchain's wallet. It makes it easier to transfer money from a mobile device based wallet.

In the meantime I'm going to play around with a the app API this weekend!

Thanks for the suggestion!

If you wouldn't mind, please describe the feature request in a GitHub issue:
https://github.com/hivewallet/hive-osx/issues?state=open

Mockups are also helpful! We'll review and, if the solution seems like something user-friendly, we'll work on it with you!

Good luck with the API, please let us know if you have any questions!

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October 21, 2013, 01:58:23 PM
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Looks nice I'll be keeping a close eye on this thread.
Will it function with the upcoming OS Mavericks?
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October 21, 2013, 02:03:41 PM
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Will it function with the upcoming OS Mavericks?
To be honest we're not 100% sure, we don't have access to the Mac Developer Program yet. We're building the app on the latest Xcode now (5.0) but against the 10.8 SDK. We'll test it on Mavericks as soon as we can.

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Ok, we have information from good sources that Hive apparently works just fine on Mavericks Smiley

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Ok, we have information from good sources that Hive apparently works just fine on Mavericks Smiley

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      Release 2013102201 now available!

      • Minor updates to built-in apps

      The latest release can always be downloaded here:
      https://github.com/hivewallet/hive-osx/releases[/list][/list]

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      A Tagalog translation of Hive is now ready!

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      A Russian translation of Hive is now ready! (discussion thread here)

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      Introducing the LocalBitcoins app for Hive.

      Please note: as with Hive itself, this should be handled with great care and at the moment we do not recommend it for any kind of day-to-day use.

      The latest releases will be made available here:
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      This App makes me wish I had a MACOS.

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      This App makes me wish I had a MACOS.

      Thank you very much. By the way, if you know any great Windows or Linux developers, please let them know that we'd like to make ports to those platforms as well.

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      Damn, thats soooo sexy! I really wish I had a mac right now! I hope a developer can port it to windows!

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      A Mandarin translation of Hive is now ready! (discussion thread here)

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      A Polish translation of Hive is now ready! (discussion thread here)

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      We should start to think about a roadmap to get this onto the bitcoin.org choose your wallet page.

      What features do you feel you need before that's feasible? Are you upgraded to the latest bitcoinj yet?
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      We should start to think about a roadmap to get this onto the bitcoin.org choose your wallet page.

      What features do you feel you need before that's feasible? Are you upgraded to the latest bitcoinj yet?

      Good timing on that question actually, we literally just wrote the MultiBit guys to ask the very same thing.

      Once we have wallet encryption in place, and a reasonable way to capture and parse the bitcoinj console logs (both of those are in progress right now and should take a few more weeks to complete), we probably have a minimum viable candidate for a bitcoin.org listing. That said, it would behoove us to sign a binary with Apple's Developer ID, too, for user convenience.

      We will be updating bitcoinj soon, but it hasn't happened just yet.

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      Right. Some form of auto update is also a must, but I think you already did that.

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      Right. Some form of auto update is also a must, but I think you already did that.

      Indeed, we're using Sparkle, and right now there's an update pushed to it about once per week. Obviously we'll be slowing that down and putting it into stable/bleeding edge channels once things are more stable.

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      A Spanish translation of Hive is now ready! (discussion thread here)

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      A Korean translation of Hive is now ready! (discussion thread here)

      Changeset here. Special thanks to Christine Lee!


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      Wow, you are constantly releasing different languages. Are you using some translation software or are people doing it by hand for you?

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      Wow, you are constantly releasing different languages. Are you using some translation software or are people doing it by hand for you?

      People are doing it for us. We had a flurry of activity over the weekend and are just getting caught up!

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      Urdu and Hindi translations of Hive are now ready! (Urdu discussion thread here) (Hindi discussion thread here)

      Changesets here. Special thanks to Umbrel!

       

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      I offer 500 ltc for a small open source portable litecoin client with some optimized features, as used in electrum (e.g. freeze, prioritize, delete addresses, etc.)

      Hi adamas,

      As per our post here, we would absolutely love to add Litecoin support to Hive. However, I think you're asking for the very thing we need (a lightweight/SPV backend), which we unfortunately won't have the time to build ourselves. I recommend that you contact the Litecoin team and push for the furthered development of "litecoinj" (based on bitcoinj).

      Adamas,

      You'll be glad to know that I've spoken with Adrian Gallagher recently, and it seems that "litecoinj" is going to be ready quite soon. Adrian also seems quite supportive of Hive, so hopefully we can get a branch going quickly.

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      Hi adamas,

      As per our post here, we would absolutely love to add Litecoin support to Hive. However, I think you're asking for the very thing we need (a lightweight/SPV backend), which we unfortunately won't have the time to build ourselves. I recommend that you contact the Litecoin team and push for the furthered development of "litecoinj" (based on bitcoinj).

      Adamas,

      You'll be glad to know that I've spoken with Adrian Gallagher recently, and it seems that "litecoinj" is going to be ready quite soon. Adrian also seems quite supportive of Hive, so hopefully we can get a branch going quickly.
      Great news. Thanks! I will support the litecoin dev team with some donations.

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      Sorry for off-top:
      Mobile Hive iOS (HD) app + CoinMap+LocalBitcoin+Offline maps+ location-based social networking it will be very useful.
      Something like this.
      http://techcrunch.com/2013/10/28/what-now-travel-disrupt-europe-battlefield/

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      Sorry for off-top:
      Mobile Hive iOS (HD) app + CoinMap+LocalBitcoin+Offline maps+ location-based social networking it will be very useful.
      Something like this.
      http://techcrunch.com/2013/10/28/what-now-travel-disrupt-europe-battlefield/

      Very interesting idea. Would you like to help us build it?

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      We have changed our GitHub and Twitter URLs!

      They are now:
      https://github.com/hivewallet
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      If you happen to spot any places around this forum (or elsewhere) where that needs to be changed, please let us know!

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      Hey grabhive. I want to let you know that I have emailed you.

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      Hey grabhive. I want to let you know that I have emailed you.

      See it now, will respond shortly!

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      What is Kwota in Poland lol

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      Any plans for Litecoin support?

      How much work would it be to change to the litecoin protocol?

      Just opened a discussion about Litecoin support over here:
      https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,6652

      How fast this goes is really up to you guys. If you can drum up big support for it in your community then we'll be pretty motivated.

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      What is Kwota in Poland lol

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      This be translation launge Rusia?

      "Kwota" means 'amount' in Polish.

      Yes, there is already a Russian translation. See here:
      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=318722

      And see here for other languages if interested:
      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=310994.0;all

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      From our API thread:

      I'm releasing the version 0.1.0 of a game I'm calling Patten. Right now it is available exclusively for the Hive wallet, just grab the .zip at https://github.com/knowitnothing/patten_hive/releases, rename it to .hiveapp then open it. The source is at https://github.com/knowitnothing/patten_hive.



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      Opened a discussion about UX for multiple wallet handling here:
      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=322377.0;all

      Opened discussions about Hive forks for Litecoin and Feathercoin here:
      https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,6652.0.html
      http://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php/topic,4283.0.html

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      An interesting proposition by Amir Taaki about merging Electrum, Hive and libbitcoin/obelisk:
      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=322483.0;all

      All 3 of these projects are lacking things that we each have.

      The server part of the libbitcoin stack is well developed, but we're still working towards client-side software for managing wallets. I was very impressed by Thomas' presentation about how he's turning Electrum into a framework. However the backend for Electrum is lacking, and also the servers are unreliable. We have built the client side libraries (Pablo's pure Python ZeroMQ + Pablo's obelisk-client + Vitalik's Pybtctools + Robert's BlockAlchemy). This removes any need for dependencies (pure Python) and can easily be deployed on Android (through Kivy).

      I'm imagine a core on the desktop with an API over sockets that can only be called on localhost (although maybe do something else). Exchange the Electrum interface and start using the new library (move Electrum code over to it too, and provide a nice API).

      Hive is even further in front of the user. The Electrum user interfaces suck (despite the technology being very good). And they're really thinking on different things. If we have a separate Python core with a socket, then it's possible to integrate with their C#. They already have their server backend and Electrum has one too, and so no point us all duplicating the same work when I've been doing backend/impl stuff for ages.

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      You definitely want to post such crash reports to your servers automatically.
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      You definitely want to post such crash reports to your servers automatically.

      Rather than being 100% automatic, we were thinking about following Apple's pattern with a button-- "Send this to us". On the other hand, it's probably better for the quality of the software long-term to enforce the sending of logs. We could make it an enabled-by-default option that can be unticked in the preferences?

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      You definitely want to post such crash reports to your servers automatically.

      Rather than being 100% automatic, we were thinking about following Apple's pattern with a button-- "Send this to us". On the other hand, it's probably better for the quality of the software long-term to enforce the sending of logs. We could make it an enabled-by-default option that can be unticked in the preferences?

      Yeah that would probably be better!

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      Yeah, I tend to try and avoid constantly asking the user to make trivial technical decisions like that ... a good question to ask would be "why would I say no to this?". If you're worried about IP addresses and privacy, bear in mind, you don't have any reliable way to force a crash and the user downloaded the software from you anyway.
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      vote for Linux  Grin

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      We should start to think about a roadmap to get this onto the bitcoin.org choose your wallet page.

      I would really like a beautiful Mac Os X app like this one to make it on bitcoin.org . Three questions:

      Auto-update

      Auto-update can be a controversial feature. I expressed the same reservation about Bitcoin Wallet for Android, as efficient update mechanisms can allow one developer to efficiently issue malicious updates ( it can be against their will ). So there's a similar level of trust needed here than with a centralized service.

      So I was wondering if Sparkle allows users to refuse updates, or if everything is done in the background without user's consent. If you have some mechanisms that allow updates to be deployed progressively, etc.

      In the worst case scenario, a little warning box similar to the one of blockchain.info & electrum could be used, so this isn't a blocking issue.

      From addresses

      I see that the GUI shows parts of the From: Bitcoin addresses. Are these "clickable"? Generally speaking, the consensus seems to be that allowing users to (easily) see and use "From addresses" doesn't make sense, as users shouldn't be tempted to send money to these addresses (and lose money if these addresses are no longer owned by anyone).

      Testing / maturity

      Perhaps it would be good to wait until Hive is stable, and has been used by many users for at least one month to be sure the app is working correctly? I think no other app or service on bitcoin.org has been pushed until it had some history behind it.

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      Also as a more general thought, while very friendly, I don't know if "address books" are likely to make sense in the future. In general, reusing addresses is discouraged both for privacy and security reasons. However, concretely, most wallets still have address books and generally are poorly designed to provide a friendly alternative. Perhaps that the future will only be "clickable / scannable / wireless" payment requests, or some kind of "deterministic changing addresses", or maybe some wallets will just keep using address books, I don't know.

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      Auto-update

      Auto-update can be a controversial feature. I expressed the same reservation about Bitcoin Wallet for Android, as efficient update mechanisms can allow one developer to efficiently issue malicious updates ( it can be against their will ). So there's a similar level of trust needed here than with a centralized service.

      So I was wondering if Sparkle allows users to refuse updates, or if everything is done in the background without user's consent. If you have some mechanisms that allow updates to be deployed progressively, etc.

      In the worst case scenario, a little warning box similar to the one of blockchain.info & electrum could be used, so this isn't a blocking issue.

      Sparkle does allow users to refuse updates, but unless the attacker was especially careless, the average user would never be able to tell the difference between a malicious update and a legitimate one anyway.

      The truth is, we need more information. We've read about Evilgrade and other such exploits, but this is by no means an area of expertise of the present team. The benefits of auto-update are very great indeed, so let's figure this out together.

      From addresses

      I see that the GUI shows parts of the From: Bitcoin addresses. Are these "clickable"? Generally speaking, the consensus seems to be that allowing users to (easily) see and use "From addresses" doesn't make sense, as users shouldn't be tempted to send money to these addresses (and lose money if these addresses are no longer owned by anyone).

      They are not clickable. There was a consideration for them to work as you describe, but then we read the same stuff you probably read and came to the same conclusions.

      Testing / maturity

      Perhaps it would be good to wait until Hive is stable, and has been used by many users for at least one month to be sure the app is working correctly? I think no other app or service on bitcoin.org has been pushed until it had some history behind it.

      We couldn't agree more.

      Also as a more general thought, while very friendly, I don't know if "address books" are likely to make sense in the future. In general, reusing addresses is discouraged both for privacy and security reasons. However, concretely, most wallets still have address books and generally are poorly designed to provide a friendly alternative. Perhaps that the future will only be "clickable / scannable / wireless" payment requests, or some kind of "deterministic changing addresses", or maybe some wallets will just keep using address books, I don't know.

      Perhaps you are right, but we are probably not going to blaze that particular trail ourselves. We feel that what we have provided is appropriate for the time being, but if patterns and best practices change, we will be right there with all of you.

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      Sparkle does allow users to refuse updates, but unless the attacker was especially careless, the average user would never be able to tell the difference between a malicious update and a legitimate one anyway.

      The truth is, we need more information. We've read about Evilgrade and other such exploits, but this is by no means an area of expertise of the present team. The benefits of auto-update are very great indeed, so let's figure this out together.

      I am no Bitcoin developper myself and have almost no experience with Mac OS X, so I wish I could be of a better help.

      FWIW, Bitcoin-Qt developers seem to prefer using a slower / voluntary update system to reduce the risk of one developer being treatened to push a malicious update. So to some extend, it both protects users and developers (it might make more sense with Bitcoin-Qt due ot its very large users' base). On the other hand, fast updates rollout can be especially useful in emergency cases like the SecureRandom Android bug. Perhaps there's an interesting "in-between" here, to let a certain delay for a malicious update to be denounced before it causes too much damages, while not being too slow and inefficient.. Perhaps Mike have some experience here and can share some thoughts.

      All in all, thank you very much for your work on Hive. I think a lot of people were waiting for it, and I'm glad you receive help with translations. I'll keep watching this thread and make a pull req to add Hive on bitcoin.org when it will be appropriate.

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      The right way to do auto-update of wallet software is threshold signing (i.e. a bunch of developers audit each others code by watching source control, reproduce each other builds, and cross-sign the binaries). I am not aware of any other apps that do all of these things together - we'd be breaking new ground by implementing it.

      Until then I think auto update + being very very careful is better than simply pushing the responsibility onto the user, which is (as pointed out above) unreasonable because they can't tell the difference between a good and bad update.
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      One nasty issue with auto-update is the unknown, but worrying, legal environment around court-ordered seizures. We've already seen one from of auto-update being used to seize funds when OzCoin was hacked and had 923BTC stolen and deposited in a StrongCoin wallet. The StrongCoin architecture is such that the operators of the service have no access to your private keys, however they were still able to seize the stolen funds themselves because the thief's webbrowser fetched a new copy of the JavaScript sourcecode, in effect auto-updating the software on demand. This modified code recognized the addresses the thief had placed the Bitcoins in, and the next time the thief used their wallet, thus decrypting the secret keys, a transaction was created by the modified code to return the funds to their original owners.

      It is believed that StrongCoin did this freely, but we can't be sure - remember that in the the US and other countries courts have the ability to order you to take actions such as the above against your will, and you can be forced to stay remain silent about the fact that you have done so. (e.g. Lavabit)

      By adding auto-update features to the their software wallet authors should recognize that they make it more likely for themselves to be forced into these very undesirable situations. You might be forced to lie to your users, even your family members and lawyers. (in the US a NSL court order can prevent you from discussing the fact that you've received such a court order or its contents with your lawyer)

      Of course, not having an auto-update feature isn't a perfect solution either: it's easy to imagine being forced to add one so that a later version of your software can use the auto-update feature to recover funds or transaction history.

      I wouldn't want to put myself in this situation, so I wouldn't include auto-update functionality at all. But if you do choose to do so anyway, you can mitigate the risk with threshhold signatures requiring the co-operation of multiple developers. You can also make sure that such deception will be at least noticed, especially deception where the modified client is only distributed to a subset of users, by having your software only accept updates if the fact that an update has occurred has been published in the Bitcoin blockchain. Also use deterministic builds, so that an update without corresponding source code is suspicious.

      Finally you should take measures to ensure that users of your software can't be identified directly. StrongCoin was found because every StrongCoin transaction includes a small fee paid to the developers, a serious privacy breach. SPV clients however have another problem, which is that they reveal a great deal of version info to their peers, information that encourages entities to sybil the network to collect that information, for instance what was the version string of the SPV node that distributed a transaction. Given this risk wallets should always use a fixed version with the minimum possible information. If this practice does not catch on, use the version strings of other wallet software.

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      That's the point of threshold signing. If the developers are spread across multiple jurisdictions, then the number of people who need to be court-ordered goes up, so a single rogue court or country can't start arbitrarily stealing money.
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      That's the point of threshold signing. If the developers are spread across multiple jurisdictions, then the number of people who need to be court-ordered goes up, so a single rogue court or country can't start arbitrarily stealing money.

      1) Requires multiple developers in different jurisdictions.

      2) Do you want to get yourself in a situation where your European counter-parts might find themselves unable to ever visit the US again? (or vice-versa) Myself I have family in two jurisdictions, and it's very expensive to avoid passing through the US to visit one of those jurisdictions.

      It's better for everyone in this community if can honestly tell courts that any deceptive code snuck into the software we right is almost certainly going to be detected before it reaches the target, or at least after the fact. Not having auto-updates at all is a very effective way of achieving that, and if you must, use all the other measures I suggested.

      Speaking of, in addition to my three suggestions, here's a fourth: Have updates happen by downloading the actual source-code to the client and either compiling it locally, or running it directly. (interpreted languages like Python make this really easy) This works particularly well with my suggestion of forcing the fact that an update has happened be made public by publishing that fact in the blockchain - for instance updates could be triggered by publishing a URL and SHA256 hash, making it likely that someone unrelated to the target will get that source-code, notice the court-mandated code, and tell the world. Meanwhile removing this feature will be suspicious in of itself.

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      Yes, it requires people in multiple jurisdictions. As it happens we have developers spread around the world - one of the benefits of the open source model.

      The assumption that no auto updates means better chance of detection is poor. Users run binaries, end of story. If they're having to manually download new versions themselves then a court can easily order you to adjust your server such that the correct binary is served to all users except for people connecting from the IP address known to be used by the guy they want to whack. The user will never even realise because users also don't check signatures themselves.

      A good auto update scheme is if anything more robust, because it automates work users SHOULD do but in reality don't. If you have developers in jurisdictions that don't like each other (e.g. Russia and America) then it means if all parties co-operate, the chances that there's a legitimately good reason for it goes up a lot.

      Anyway, it's easy to lose sight of the fact that obsolete and buggy versions are a much greater risk to 99.9% of all users than court-ordered software back doors.
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      A good auto update scheme is if anything more robust, because it automates work users SHOULD do but in reality don't. If you have developers in jurisdictions that don't like each other (e.g. Russia and America) then it means if all parties co-operate, the chances that there's a legitimately good reason for it goes up a lot.

      So, for the record, for a "legitimately good reason" would you add code to, say, bitcoinj to take stolen Bitcoins and return them to their original owner?

      Anyway, it's easy to lose sight of the fact that obsolete and buggy versions are a much greater risk to 99.9% of all users than court-ordered software back doors.

      I agree. That's why my advice is intended to reduce the risk not for users, but to reduce the risk for the people maintaining wallet software. That's why I gave a whole bunch of suggestions for how to better manage that legal risk, above and beyond simple threshold signing, if you do choose to take on that personal risk and make auto-updates possible.

      Anyway, government aside, I'd definitely not want to make it possible for some gang to take myself and however many other developers hostage in a co-ordinated attack just to force us to release an update to steal users' coins and quickly make those criminals tens of thousands of dollars if not more. There just isn't much other software out there that makes that kind of criminal act so directly profitable.

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      Changing a library isn't really a great way to seize coins, is it? Even if it were possible to implement that, which it's not, the answer is "only if forced to by a court order" which I assume is true for all software developers.

      I think the developer gets hacked scenario is much more likely than physical kidnap or whatever, but as the stakes rise, so does the need for security. In the long run I'd like to see update keys be sent to fully anonymous developers who can't be found by anyone, but still have an established reputation for doing coding and review work. Such people are rare, though. We need Satoshi back Smiley
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      Changing a library isn't really a great way to seize coins, is it? Even if it were possible to implement that, which it's not, the answer is "only if forced to by a court order" which I assume is true for all software developers.

      Good to hear.

      I'd be interested to hear other wallet developers respond; Andreas Schildbach's Bitcoin Wallet for Android has auto-update capability.

      I think the developer gets hacked scenario is much more likely than physical kidnap or whatever, but as the stakes rise, so does the need for security. In the long run I'd like to see update keys be sent to fully anonymous developers who can't be found by anyone, but still have an established reputation for doing coding and review work. Such people are rare, though. We need Satoshi back Smiley

      Yes indeed. It suggests that creating pseudonyms to act as plausibly deniable co-developers has some merit.

      In the meantime I'd suggest non-anonymous developers take my advise seriously for their own legal and physical safety.

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      I've talked about it with Andreas before, he knows I'll revisit this topic at some point. I never got a chance to play with the threshold RSA library I got hold of, unfortunately.

      Basically the work for Android means:

      1) Find a way to reproduce the build. As APKs are just zips, and the contents are just produced by javac which is a very simple and mostly static program, this should not be very hard. Rather than the gitian approach I'd think just locating the parts which vary for some legitimate reason, like timestamps, zeroing them out and then checking the file hashes match would be OK.

      2) Test if the RSA threshold library I have really works as advertised (makes ordinary RSA signatures), and if so, check that it's possible to shard an existing key and signing works. I believe it should be possible, but there's no replacement for trying it.

      3) If the technology works, get Andreas to shard the key into say 50 pieces with a threshold of, say, 30, and then start the process of making ordinary builds use threshold signing. I imagine Andreas would keep the original key for a while and eventually get rid of it. Probably there'd need to be a new beta app so he can push out new releases to testers without anyone else being involved (currently the Play Store beta system is used).
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      Release 2013110501 codename "The Fifth of November" is now available:

      • added Arabic, Chinese Simplified, Czech, Hindi, Korean, Russian, Spanish, Tagalog and Urdu translations
      • added LocalBitcoins and Patten applications
      • Hive can now handle bitcoin: links on websites
      • improved error handling - popup window should now show up if an error occurs while processing blockchain data
      • fixed JS API breaking after app page is reloaded

      As usual, you can get it from http://grabhive.com or through the Sparkle auto-update system. The latest release can always be downloaded here: https://github.com/hivewallet/hive-osx/releases.

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      Taylor has an interesting idea:

      This post describes a method by which users of Bitcoin wallets can exchange contact information as an extension of the Payment Protocol to improve the experience of sending bitcoins between non-merchant users.

      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=329229

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      A Greek translation of Hive is now ready! (discussion thread here)

      Changeset here. Special thanks to Antony Tsakoumis!


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      Help us sponsor the first Thanksgiving dinner in Satoshi Forest!

      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=329396.0

      Jason has committed to the idea of having the first ever Thanksgiving in Satoshi Forrest so that the homeless nearby will be able to enjoy probably the best Thanksgiving they've even eaten, for we're goin' all out and doing it a al kālua with myself at the helm.

      The tad support we're seeking to raise is ~$500 USD via Bitcoin via this thread. Once again, use the Sean's Outpost Bitcoin wallet address 1M72Sfpbz1BPpXFHz9m3CdqATR44Jvaydd for all donations, but please post here if you're supporting this specific cause so that the dollars raised to date can be tracked and tallied accordingly.

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      Vote for Hive as your favorite Bitcoin Project of Autumn 2013

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      hi hive Smiley #bitcoinsingapore2013

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      hi hive Smiley #bitcoinsingapore2013

      Hey! Smiley

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      Dark Wallet Certification proposal:

      Ref: Let There Be Dark!

      Greetings from Bitcoin Singapore!

      Hive will be attending unSYSTEM's DarkWallet meeting in Milan on the week of the 24th. We propose that the outcome of this meeting be, at minimum, the establishment of a v1 "Dark Wallet Certification", a set of best-practice guidelines for wallets focused on decentralization and anonymity.

      This topic is has been opened in order to get the community thinking about what exactly a "Dark Wallet" should be: We assume the use of Tor, CoinJoin, CoinSwap and other such developments. We assume the lack of centralized services wherever possible. We presume that we can evolve ideas about authentication (see the work of John Light, Joe Casico etc)... Still, our ignorance is vast and we would like to come armed at this meeting, with your feedback.

      What ideas or thoughts do you all have?

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      We are extremely pleased to announce the acquisition of Jan Vornberger's Bridgewalker wallet for Android. We are also extremely pleased to announce that Jan will be joining the Hive team. Hive for Android will be available in late spring, 2014.

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      Hive for Android's public repo will open in early January.

      Discussion thread here:
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      I've submitted a pull request to update the Sean's Outpost app, adding live rate conversion between BTC and # of people fed. This addresses open issues #3 and #4. The update look like below:


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      Hot on the heels of our acquisition of Jan Vornberger's Bridgewalker wallet for Android, we are today pleased to announce today the acquisition of Taylor Gerring's PAYTHRU.to, a service that allows users to easily send Bitcoin via SMS, Twitter, and Facebook. Taylor has also joined the Hive team and will be furthering our social network and services integrations for all platforms. As with all of our products, PAYTHRU.to will be open-sourced and made available for community collaboration.

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      PAYTHRU.to's public repo will open in early January.

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      Acquiring a lot of things in this community, do you guys have funding? Can you point us to the VC firm that gave you this funding? Or are you just giving stock in your company in which case where is your LLC registered out of?

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      Acquiring a lot of things in this community, do you guys have funding? Can you point us to the VC firm that gave you this funding? Or are you just giving stock in your company in which case where is your LLC registered out of?

      Hi gweedo,

      Right now we are self-funded, but we hope to make some related announcements soon. As for the other details, those will be trumpeted out along with such news. Apologies for any vagueness, but there's a little sensitivity around the subject until it's all signed, sealed and delivered. Hope you understand.

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      Acquiring a lot of things in this community, do you guys have funding? Can you point us to the VC firm that gave you this funding? Or are you just giving stock in your company in which case where is your LLC registered out of?

      Hi gweedo,

      Right now we are self-funded, but we hope to make some related announcements soon. As for the other details, those will be trumpeted out along with such news. Apologies for any vagueness, but there's a little sensitivity around the subject until it's all signed, sealed and delivered. Hope you understand.

      Yeah I wasn't expecting a straight answer, but sounds good, of course I be on the look out.

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      We have another release for you today, version 2013112501:

      • added Finnish, Greek, Portuguese (European and Brazilian), Romanian and Turkish translations
      • switched to a more robust SQLite format for the database file instead of the old XML one
      • the balance field on the profile page will now show pending balance if some of the funds are blocked
      • error handling improvements - more errors should be caught, and you have an option of submitting error reports to us (uses HockeyApp API)
      • fixed issues with disappearing transactions (missing transactions should be restored now)
      • fixed a problem with BTC amount precision

      Because of the database file change, it's recommended to back up your Hive directory before updating. Just make a copy of the ~/Library/Application Support/Hive directory in some other place.

      Also, we've got another Cocoa developer on board (hi Nikolaj!), so you can expect the releases to speed up a bit now Smiley Nikolaj currently works on currency conversion feature that will show you the amount you're sending converted to a chosen fiat currency.

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      We had reset this poll a couple of times, but it seems that everyone unanimously wants an iOS version. It's the one thing that we unfortunately cannot promise due to Apple's shakiness re: Bitcoin, as mentioned in the first post. But, we will see. :-)

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      Voted for Windows Cheesy
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      We've implemented the currency conversion feature I've mentioned above - this is how it looks (you can enter the amount in any of the fields, and the other will be updated automatically):



      You can also see your total wallet balance converted to a fiat currency on the profile page.

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      Thanks to Wendell for making it down here & taking the time out to spend time with us.

      Interview with Wendell, creator of Hive wallet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn3m_K5AJec
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      Thanks to Wendell for making it down here & taking the time out to spend time with us.

      Interview with Wendell, creator of Hive wallet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn3m_K5AJec

      I dont fully understand what Dark Wallet is. Its a fully anonymous wallet service for chrome?

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      Thanks to Wendell for making it down here & taking the time out to spend time with us.

      Interview with Wendell, creator of Hive wallet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn3m_K5AJec

      I dont fully understand what Dark Wallet is. Its a fully anonymous wallet service for chrome?

      It's way more than that and (soon?) available for both Chrome and Firefox, but you have the general idea.

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      Thanks to Wendell for making it down here & taking the time out to spend time with us.

      Interview with Wendell, creator of Hive wallet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn3m_K5AJec

      I dont fully understand what Dark Wallet is. Its a fully anonymous wallet service for chrome?

      It's way more than that and (soon?) available for both Chrome and Firefox, but you have the general idea.

      Thanks. Also I just got a mac and will be testing out Hive soon!

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      December 04, 2013, 12:04:40 PM
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      We've got a new version available for you today!

      Here's a list of changes:

      • currency conversion - you can now see the amount in your chosen fiat currency in the send dialog and on the balance page
      • fixed issue with incorrect decimal symbol when entering sent amount
      • transaction fee is now displayed in the send window (and the fee is added to instead of subtracted from the amount)
      • added Japanese and Serbian (Cyrillic and Latin) translations
      • UI updates in Sean's Outpost app
      • improved error handling during startup

      And here's how the send dialog looks now with currency conversion and the fee amount:


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      December 04, 2013, 03:50:43 PM
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      Why , instead of .?

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      December 04, 2013, 04:06:07 PM
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      Why , instead of .?

      It's a localization setting. Many countries use a comma instead of a period as the separator Smiley

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      December 05, 2013, 12:23:52 AM
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      Why , instead of .?

      It's a localization setting. Many countries use a comma instead of a period as the separator Smiley

      In america we use . instead of ,'s. Any way we can change it?

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      December 05, 2013, 12:29:07 AM
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      In america we use . instead of ,'s. Any way we can change it?
      The language/locale is set in System Preferences, Language & Text. The language chosen in the Language tab determines the translation used, and the setting in the Region tab determines things like dot/period for number formatting. (That's for 10.8, in 10.9 the section looks a bit different.)

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      December 05, 2013, 12:33:18 AM
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      In america we use . instead of ,'s. Any way we can change it?
      The language/locale is set in System Preferences, Language & Text. The language chosen in the Language tab determines the translation used, and the setting in the Region tab determines things like dot/period for number formatting. (That's for 10.8, in 10.9 the section looks a bit different.)

      Language is set to english. I cant find the region tab (I use 10.7.5.) Where can I find it?

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      Language is set to english. I cant find the region tab (I use 10.7.5.) Where can I find it?
      I think this tab is named Formats in 10.7.

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      Language is set to english. I cant find the region tab (I use 10.7.5.) Where can I find it?
      I think this tab is named Formats in 10.7.

      These are my settings:


      But in hive it shows up as ,'s

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      December 05, 2013, 12:47:32 AM
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      Ok, that's funny... I definitely see periods, not commas, if I switch my region to United States. I'll have to check if this API somehow works differently on 10.7 (I'm on 10.8 now).

      Are you running the latest version (2013120402)?

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      December 05, 2013, 12:52:40 AM
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      Im not sure. This is my build number.


      If thats old how do i upgrade? Its a old mac that was given to me to play with...

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      December 05, 2013, 12:53:29 AM
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      No, I mean the latest Hive version.

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      December 05, 2013, 12:54:31 AM
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      No, I mean the latest Hive version.

      Here is what I am running:

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      December 05, 2013, 12:57:51 AM
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      That's not the latest version, we've released a new one today - try on that one (update with Hive > Check for Updates).

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      December 05, 2013, 01:02:27 AM
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      That's not the latest version, we've released a new one today - try on that one (update with Hive > Check for Updates).

      It works! Smiley Do you guys have an ios app (for version 6.0)?