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February 27, 2014, 02:57:00 PM
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My point was that you can't just assume the cause-and-effect you want emotionally. You would need to prove it. And the climate science is no where near even predicting temperature (they were so far off it is embarrassing), so don't even mention this more complex interactions. There are many possible scenarios that can create climate changes. The climate is always changing. This is normal. Been going on for millions of years btw. Wink

Everyone can have their emotional bias, but this isn't science.

The Arctic Ocean is now ice-free in the summer. My government has literally burnt books in an apparent attempt to cover up historical records that contradict their message that climate change is not a problem. That suggests that even utltra-right-wing Conservatives believe in the science.

Science is all about observing cause an effect. If you destroy the observations, I am going to have to rely on emotions.


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Thermal efficiency. But other holistic measures of efficiency ICE wins, which is why even here in the Philippines where I am where we can get electric motorcycles imported from China, they are not competitive with gasoline motorcycles.
The ones I have seen in Canada are limited to 32 km/h, 500W and use lead-acid batteries. Unless you are talking about actual electric motorcycles and not vehicles classified as "electric bicycles". I can beat those things up a (relatively short) hill by brute-force.

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Battery patents also appear to be why we do not have Electric SUVs pulling generator trailers on road-trips

You are using an internal combustion engine (ICE) in that design Wink

Yes. My point is that electric vehicles are only non-competitive if you assume that you need to quickly replace the energy expended. Most cars spend about 95% of their time parked, and are used for commuting less than 100km.

Pure Electric vehicles are not appropriate for continuous commercial use (like a taxi service) or long road-trips. That said, I have seen electric vehicles used all day in an industrial setting (intermittent use, read: forklifts and electric pallet jacks).

If I was going to spend a lot of time on the highway, I would consider a diesel vehicle.


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February 28, 2014, 06:16:21 AM
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Isn't The Bilderberg Group just a conference for wealthy business leader types, where they can meet in peace to network, discuss their own plans, and just relax among their own peers, without the media and fans following them all over the place? The documentary I saw on it made it anything but sinister.

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Isn't The Bilderberg Group just a conference for wealthy business leader types, where they can meet in peace to network, discuss their own plans...

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March 02, 2014, 04:06:43 AM
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And the Mad Max begins as predicted right on schedule of Armstrongs model.

The prelude to war. It Begins. Russian Invading Ukraine.

Hegelian dialectic false dichotomy unleashes the Dogs of War as predicted.

Protest Erupting now in Portugal.

Rome follows Detroit into Bankruptcy.

USA commits to a fight of attrition.

Russia Invades Ukraine.

Rising Protests now in Azerbaijan Against Corruption.

Ukraine – The Spark for World War III?.

Taxing the Rich – Wait A Minute – Its You?

Corrupt Politicians – The Mansion of a Tyrant.

US Military Spending Bottoming with the Cycle of War low – Amazing.

Russia Arrest more than 400 Protesters.

The Rising Global Unrest – Collapse in Marxism & Republics.

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Mad Max Dark Ages are the norm most of the time throughout human history.  Cry

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Mad Max Dark Ages are the norm most of the time throughout human history.  Cry

Wrong. The history of the citizen within the societies is not the history of the human. The history of the human is dozen fold older and never suffered Mad Max Dark Ages.
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Signing off now.

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Where can I read more about Madmax?
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We descend into the Mad Max:

http://www.nestmann.com/when-did-the-peace-officers-get-a-license-to-kill

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As predicted...

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/08/chinas-exports-collapse-by-18-1/

http://blog.mpettis.com/2014/03/will-emerging-markets-come-back/

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/07/boeing-ending-pension-plans/

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/07/smart-investors-fleeing-municipal-bond-markets/

Chaos spreading, all governments will be untrusted by the people as the world descends into bankruptcy and the effects of the corruption of socialism become unbearable:

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/07/russian-spring-fails-is-east/

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/07/ukraine-not-over-yet/ (explains the frustration of both Obama & Putin in Ukraine)

Obama is forced to push to insanity because he can't maintain manipulative control in the Ukraine:

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/08/is-obama-just-insane/

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http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/10/france-leading-the-way-to-the-demise-of-the-west-the-first-to-fall/

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/10/deflation-still-in-europe/

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/09/research-shocking-there-is-order-in-the-chaos/

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/09/vladimir-putin-the-restorer-or-russia/


Cross-posting this...

Soooooooooo, I read today that the world's debt amount to $100 trillion.
Wikipedia says that in 2012, the GDP was ~72 trillion. Let's suppose that it's $80 trillion now.

Debt to GDP = 125%

Incorrect. Total debt is $157 trillion in developed countries plus $66 trillion in emerging markets, because is 313% of GDP and the GDP is $72 trillion:

http://www.gfmag.com/tools/global-database/economic-data/11855-total-debt-to-gdp.html#axzz2iu5C4Y4Z

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2013/05/11/number-of-the-week-total-world-debt-load-at-313-of-gdp/

Chinese corporate debt is the highest in the world as a percentage of GDP:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=365141.msg4337574#msg4337574

Don't forget to add on $1000 trillion of sovereign bond derivatives, and $1000 trillion of unfunded social liabilities.

http://www.indexq.org/economy/gdp.php

About the imminent conflagrapocalpyse...

What does that have to do with whether the technology exists to improve nuclear?

I hope you realize energy is regulated and taxed such that it is controlled by cartels. Getting rid of that doesn't imply a Dark Age, rather it frees us to realize innovations which were suppressed because they are paradigm shifts which compete with the cartels.
AnonyMint, I realize you are a very intelligent man and I enjoy reading your posts because they address many glaring problems others might realize but either subconciously or deliberately ignore to protect their investments or agendas.
My question to you though is because I have read your prediction about the burst of a $ 150 trillion debt bubble multiple times in your posts how you think such an event will unfold.

To whom is the world in debt exactly and how does this creditor force the government(s) to act as his debt collector(s)? From my understanding of your scenario it will lead to a widespread pauperization of the world respectively the majority of the people. Do you predict a simultaneous increase in the creditor's wealth or is this a scenario where basically everybody gets poorer?

As I explained in an upthread post (which I am too rushed to go find the link to at the moment), the ledger of who owes whom is less important consideration than the fact that it represents $150 trillion of human capital that was misdirected in its activities since mid-1980s and especially since 1994 or so when the debt-based economy accelerated (1994 is when Clinton had the equations for official statistics changed so they can unleash the surge).



(note we have inflation of fractional reserve digits which is why official stats lie about inflation to hide its relevance, but simultaneously we have a deflation of M0 which official stats also lie about by including bank deposits held Federal Reserve (which should be monetary base MB not M0), thus MB is hockey stick but the Fed doesn't show us the true M0. The Fed is trying to hide from us the deflation that is really there. We can get a proxy for what is happening with M0 by looking velocity of MB which falling like rock! Go to this link then change the "a/b" to "b/a", click the "Redraw Graph" button, so that you get GDP / MB, then you will see velocity is falling off a cliff since 2008.)

So this is why technological employment is going to be so severe and massive overcapacity in manufacturing, fixed capital infrastructure, and conspicuous consumption, because all during the 1970s, 80s, 90s, and 2000s, while a few of us hackers were becoming 100000X more productive with our new found toy (the personal computer), the bulk of the population was able to stay in the old industrial economy thanks to increasing debt.

So what you are going to see when the $150 trillion debt bomb explodes 2016ish is that anyone who is not very technically relevant in the new Knowledge Economy will find themselves unemployable. The governments will try to appease this majority by taxation and confiscating everything, because they fundamentally don't understand the cause of the problem.

With both scenarios (further concentration of wealth/obliteration of wealth) I see several problems that make this scenario seem unlikely.

Those ledger IOUs are worthless to both lender and borrower. The capital now is all in the brains of hackers such as myself. We take over now. Checkmate. While we were busy sleeping under our desks for the past 3 decades, the rest of you were out enjoying yourself. Now the payback comes. Oxford U. admits 47% of the existing jobs will be replaced with robots over next 19 years (was 20 last year when study was published).

1) The widespread confiscation of wealth would inevitably weaken or even nearly eradicate consumerism which is one of the strongest motors to our society and one of the most effective measures for the elite to concentrate wealth at the same time by concentrating the production to satisfy consumerism.  What would the elite gain by basically wiping out most people's spending capacity?

The government isn't run rationally. The vested interests want to suck as much blood out of a turnip as they can. They have no foresight on outcomes, especially they don't even understand.

However, I am one of those who do believe the Bilderbergs understand they must first collapse the economy in order to create the chaos from which they can get their one world government. They want to weaken local and national structures so they can get the economy-of-scale of control to compete with the technology which is rewarding bottom-up hackers.

It is really a defensive move for them and they while getting their world outcome are actually in retreat and losing the way ultimately.


This would in either case harm the creditor by either obliterating his own wealth or at least a lot of possibilities to spend his own wealth.
2) Do all relevant governments work on this collectively? From my current observations of international politics it seems as this is not the case most of the time. Why would it be the case in this event and wouldn't it create opportunities for backstabbing and breaking of the agreement to confiscate all wealth?

The nation-state is being destroyed by this. The national institutions will be completely discredited and untrusted within a decade.

Out of the ashes the Phoenix will rise. The world will see massive new productivity once the youth take political control away from the boomers and we move to a high tech Knowledge Age where there are no more severe national barriers. You will be able to freely travel and invest in all countries, we will be headed towards a Jetsons level of lifestyle...


3) What boundaries are set for the governments in this scenario? Are concepts like democratic elections or consistency with the constitution still applicable in this case? If not what changes and what keeps governments from doing now what you predict for 2016?

The constitutions aren't followed any more any way.

Government is reactionary. The owners of the government (the vested interests) only do what they need to maintain their position of privilege. They are preparing (e.g. the 2714 tank-like vehicles and 10 billion rounds of hollow point bullets for the Homelove Security dept in the USA, the 9/11 pretext to track everything we do, etc..) but just like in Ukraine and other places where there have been unrest, they will only act as necessary.

The peripheral economies blow up first. We see already Ukraine, Greece, Spain, Thailand, India, Indonesia, Egypt, even China has -18% drop in exports just this month over last year.

Then core of Europe 2015ish or so.

Then the USA will be last to fall 2016ish.

We are getting very close now. We might see a dead-cat bounce in 2017, and the severe SHTF hard down phase maybe 2018.


I hope you can answer some of these potential problems/questions as the theory seems pretty far-fetched in my opinion. I would rather fear a global nuclear war at the moment.

Looking forward to hearing from you.    

Well yeah that is why I've been screaming this in the Mad Max thread in the Politics forum. Check it out for more details. See also the Economic Devastation thread in the Economics forum.

There is no chance I am wrong. Zero. The only variability is in the timing. By 2020, I assure you we are in a shithole outcome.

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Exactly as Armstrong's model predicted...

http://www.mb.com.ph/asian-bond-issuers-return-to-new-york-as-demand-surges/

And he predicted Russia would invade Ukraine months ago before there was any trouble there...

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/11/crimea-was-the-origin-of-the-black-death-that-killed-50-of-europe/

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Cross-posting this...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455141.msg5654081#msg5654081

You fail to understand that you can't just wipe the debt ledger clean, then everything continues as if there wasn't debt.

Not only is there the problem of leverage meaning some people expect more than can ever be produced to pay them, i.e. a unit of money is a claim on production.

There is also the problem that the population has become lulled into technological irrelevance by the debt which sustained their desire to remain technologically ignorant.

F8ck the coming apocalypse is worse than I previously estimated...

Soooooooooo, I read today that the world's debt amount to $100 trillion.
Wikipedia says that in 2012, the GDP was ~72 trillion. Let's suppose that it's $80 trillion now.

Debt to GDP = 125%

Incorrect. Total debt is $157 trillion in developed countries plus $66 trillion in emerging markets, because is 313% of GDP and the GDP is $72 trillion:

http://www.gfmag.com/tools/global-database/economic-data/11855-total-debt-to-gdp.html#axzz2iu5C4Y4Z

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2013/05/11/number-of-the-week-total-world-debt-load-at-313-of-gdp/

Chinese corporate debt is the highest in the world as a percentage of GDP:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=365141.msg4337574#msg4337574

Don't forget to add on $1000 trillion of sovereign bond derivatives, and $1000 trillion of unfunded social liabilities.

http://www.indexq.org/economy/gdp.php

While that is likely a fairly accurate statistic, it's still very misleading...

...The hotel proprietor takes the 100 dollar bill and runs to pay his debt to the butcher. The Butcher takes the 100 dollar bill and runs to pay his debt to the pig raiser. The pig raiser takes the 100 dollar bill and runs to pay his debt to the supplier of his feed and fuel. The supplier of feed and fuel takes the 100 dollar bill and runs to pay his debt to the town’s prostitute that, in these hard times, gave her “services” on credit. The hooker runs to the hotel, and pays off her debt with the 100 dollar bill to the hotel proprietor to pay for the rooms that she rented when she brought her clients there...

...No one earned anything. However, the whole town is now without debt, and looks to the future with a lot of optimism.

Most of these derivitives are just like the debt that this small town had, interlinking trade debt that largely self cancels...

And this exemplifies you are a mainstream (Keynesian Krugman-esque) economist and they are incorrect.

You fail to understand that you can't just wipe the debt ledger clean, then everything continues as if there wasn't debt.

Not only is there the problem of leverage meaning some people expect more than can ever be produced to pay them, i.e. a unit of money is a claim on production.

There is also the problem that the population has become lulled into technological irrelevance by the debt which sustained their desire to remain technologically ignorant.

What you fail to understand is that along the way of creating $227 trillion of global debt, the people were incentivized to attain skills and life experience that makes them entirely unemployable in the robotics and computer automation age.

I already explained this twice upthread, but you seem to have selective comprehension, i.e. you ignore (and fail to refute) my logical points when they challenge your basis.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455141.msg5637503#msg5637503

About the imminent conflagrapocalpyse...

As I explained in an upthread post (which I am too rushed to go find the link to at the moment), the ledger of who owes whom is less important consideration than the fact that it represents $150227 trillion of human capital that was misdirected in its activities since mid-1980s and especially since 1994 or so...

So this is why technological employment is going to be so severe and massive overcapacity in manufacturing, fixed capital infrastructure, and conspicuous consumption, because all during the 1970s, 80s, 90s, and 2000s, while a few of us hackers were becoming 100000X more productive with our new found toy (the personal computer), the bulk of the population was able to stay in the old industrial economy thanks to increasing debt.

So what you are going to see when the $150227 trillion debt bomb explodes 2016ish is that anyone who is not very technically relevant in the new Knowledge Economy will find themselves unemployable. The governments will try to appease this majority by taxation and confiscating everything, because they fundamentally don't understand the cause of the problem.

With both scenarios (further concentration of wealth/obliteration of wealth) I see several problems that make this scenario seem unlikely.

Those ledger IOUs are worthless to both lender and borrower. The capital now is all in the brains of hackers such as myself. We take over now. Checkmate. While we were busy sleeping under our desks for the past 3 decades, the rest of you were out enjoying yourself. Now the payback comes. Oxford U. admits 47% of the existing jobs will be replaced with robots over next 19 years (was 20 last year when study was published)...

...I've been screaming this in the Mad Max thread in the Politics forum. Check it out for more details. See also the Economic Devastation thread in the Economics forum.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455141.msg5097815#msg5097815

But first, we go to a strong dollar and massive global deflation. The USA and the NSA will thus be in the driver's seat of the default of $150227 trillion in debt. They will not give up this power (thus they will not hyperinflate away their power). They plan to charge to all of us. This is massive deflation.

No major nation in the world has ever hyperinflated away their power. They always self-destruct by attacking their own citizens. Study Rome. Study Germany, etc....

You don't sniff this yet, but Armstrong and I do. Later when you do finally capitulate and realize, that is when the others have also figured it out and it will be mad rush into the dollar and away from all other economies. Then we move into the peak for the USA Sept. 2015, then the USA goes over the cliff and total chaos will ensue. It will be much worse than 2008 and the central banks will be powerless this time. In fact, the Fed has been warning the banks they will not be bailed out again. This is why all the G7 have official bail-in plans (seen on their government websites) to take the money from the depositors instead.

You also don't understand that $150227 trillion global debt means every one has been doing the wrong activities and everything is uneconomic.

You don't understand that debt is not just a ledger item, it also reflects real waste of human years, wrong skills acquired, wrong decisions made, etc.. These real problems are not corrected just by changing a line on the financial ledger.


This frustration is why riots and global unrest (and the war cycle) is increasing all over the world right now. There is no way to avoid the global deflation contagion.

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Cyclic model prediction on timing of collapse of things later this year and into 2015...

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/11/europeans-enter-final-stage-on-how-to-pay-for-the-european-failed-banking-system/

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Dark Ages...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455141.msg5672089#msg5672089


P.S. John Williams (proprietor of ShadowStats.com) thinks we will have hyperinflation. He is entirely mistaken. We will have severe deflation.


You are both entirely mistaken. As soon as we have severe inflation or deflation, the game will be over and dark age begins. Japan and all other 400%-Debt/GDP economies are trying to maintain zero percent inflation until they can't.

Dark Age is severe deflation, but the difference is that almost nothing has value any more. Food becomes the unit of currency and becomes much more expensive, e.g. rice was money in Japan for about 600 years during its Dark Age. This means the maximization of the division-of-labor collapses back to barter money, which means productivity and new knowledge production collapses.

Agreed there exists now the threat of falling into a Dark Age. And that is why I am working so hard on a technological solution. I know you don't believe it is possible to avoid a Dark Age. You might be correct, but you also might not be. I told you upthread that my strategy is to make it so the hackers can avoid confiscation and control over their activities, so that we can create 1000X more productivity in the Knowledge Age space. I hope this can offset the collapse of 47% into technological unemployment along with a $223 trillion global debt morass with a $2000 trillion derivatives and unfunded future social liabilities.

Wait to see the outcome.

P.S. And I thought I was the pessimist in this forum, you are more pessimistic than me.

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The entire discussion with you, you continue to ignore or miss the point that if it was possible to calculate the probabilities in real-time such that there would be some superior outcome locally or globally (meaning one outcome is objectively better than others along some metric, e.g. survival or robots and extinction or enslavement of humans), then that local or global result would collapse the present+future into the past and everything would be known within its context. Thus either it is global context and nothing exists [no (friction of) movement of time, present+future == past, i.e. no mass in the universe] or that local result collapses its context such that present+future = past, and thus must be disconnected from (unaffected by) the unknown global probabilities. (P.S. current science has no clue what mass really is, but I have explained what it must be)

I pointed out to you already that speed of computation or transmission does not transfer the entropy (because if it did, then the entropy would be destroyed and the present+future collapses into the past). Cripes man have you ever tried to manage something happening in another location over the phone or webcam? In fact, each local situation is dynamic and interacting with the diversity of the actors in that local situation. Even if you could virtually transmit yourself (or the master robot) to each location simultaneously, then if one entity is doing all the interaction then you no longer have diverse entropy. If instead your robots are autonomous and decentralized, the speed of their computation will not offset that their input entropy is more limited than the diversity of human entropy, because each human is unique along the entire timeline of DNA history through environment development in the womb. You see it is actually the mass of the universe and the zillion incremental interactions of chance over the movement of time that creates that entropy. You can't speed it up without collapsing some of the probabilities into each other and reducing the entropy-- study the equation for entropy (Shannon entropy or any other form of the equation such as the thermodynamic or biological form). In order to increase entropy, there must be more chance, i.e. more cases of failure not less. Remember the point I made about fitness and there being hypothetical infinite shapes and most failing to interlock. Computation is deterministic and not designed to have failure. Once you start building in failure into robots' CPU, then you would have to recreate biology. You simply won't be able to do a better job at maximizing entropy than nature already does, because the system of life will anneal to it. Adaption is all about diverse situations occurring simultaneously, but don't forget all the diverse failures occurring simultaneously also.
If you can know with high confidence what is more likely to happen, then you can anticipate your reaction before the immediate cause for it happens to the point of compensating for the few tenths of a second of lag from talking across the world. And you could also be prepared for numerous possible deviations from your expectation. And for many things, you don't need to start reacting faster than it takes for data to cross from one side of the world to the other.


Obviously the further into the future, the less accurate simplified models will get; but it is possible for machines to push the point where a simulation is no more accurate than random chance way further down the road way more than humans.


edit: Simulations can involve failures, and AIs can plan for failure as well as learn from it.

I mean the entire concept has flown right over your head and you continue repeating the same nonsense babble.

You just can't wrap your mind around what entropy and diversity are, and why speed of computation and transmission of data has nothing to do with it.
What makes you think evolving machines wouldn't have at least as much entropy and diversity as humans?


You might find this essay edifying:
http://www.scaruffi.com/nature/biology.html

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=514659.msg5725115#msg5725115




https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=374873.msg5725086#msg5725086

Just let the climate freaks eat their poison. It is futile to convince of them of the facts.

Get yourself some anonymous crypto-currency, then sit back with your popcorn and watch them destroy themselves with taxes.

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http://blog.mpettis.com/2014/03/will-emerging-markets-come-back/#comment-21244

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Even the IMF has admitted that global debt is at a 200 year high. Central bank was invented a the end of the Middle Ages, but it wasn't ubiquitous until the 20th century. In addition to the $223 trillion debt which is 313% of global GDP, there is something on the order of $quadrillion of derivatives and another $quadrillion of actuarial promises to society which are unfunded. Central banking being the omnipresent lender of last resort is the cause of humongous monstrosity, because it prevented liquidation of TBTF throughout the 20th century.

For example the emerging markets are heavily laden with corporate dollar bond debt because due to ZIRP the fixed income investments (e.g. pensions) were forced to seek higher returns abroad. Thus emerging markets are mathematically betting short the dollar. Thus as capital flees the peripheral (i.e. non-reserve currency) markets (to include Europe and Japan by next year), there will be massive strength in the value of the reserve currency (the dollar) in 2015 and concomitant doubling in the NYSE index. This would put a spiraling (the toilet bowl) pressure on emerging markets, because they will be repaying debt with weakening local currencies. This will spiral until they exhaust dollar reserves and default on external debt, because once you take away the bubble veneer, none of them have positive current accounts. Argentina is approaching default the earliest probably in 2016.

Central banking is an abject failure.

But there is currently no better solution on tap. The fundamental issue and potential solution is much deeper than I can insert into a blog comment.

See also:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=518453.msg5775371#msg5775371

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March 20, 2014, 02:47:50 AM
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As they say, "so goes copper, so goes the global economy...".

Dr. Copper has spoken, "look out below":

http://www.minyanville.com/business-news/editors-pick/articles/Charts-Copper-Bubble-Is-Being-Punctured/3/17/2014/id/54201


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We are spiraling into Mad Max:

http://www.nestmann.com/supreme-court-confirms-you-really-are-guilty-until-proven-innocent

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