Was Satoshi from USA? (during 2009-2010)

[shahzadafzal]

Edit: This is just for fun, so please don't take it literally.

Hello BTCitcoin talkers... here is a thought experiment...

We know Satoshi was active on this forum in 2009 and 2010. We have all his posts here, that is from November 19, 2009 to December 13, 2010. We also have the timestamps for all his 575 posts.

Let suppose these two things

- He was human, not a bot not an alien
- He will sleep during night like all of us and active during the day

Now let say we like a normal human being, start our day at 8AM and we are awake until 10PM. We sleep at 10PM and woke up in morning 7AM.

Now using above hypothesis if I combine post timings of Satoshi can I figure out where Satoshi was located? Well I think I can... let's try

Here is the hour and number posts Satoshi made during this time:

Hour      Posts Count _____________ _____________ 08:00 AM 18 09:00 AM 45 10:00 AM 65 11:00 AM 65 12:00 PM 43 01:00 PM 42 02:00 PM 55 03:00 PM 46 04:00 PM 42 05:00 PM 32 06:00 PM 23 07:00 PM 15

Hour      Posts Count _____________ _____________ 08:00 PM 10 09:00 PM 9 10:00 PM 3 11:00 PM 3 12:00 AM 0 01:00 AM 0 02:00 AM 1 03:00 AM 0 04:00 AM 0 05:00 AM 3 06:00 AM 5 07:00 AM 14

A picture worth thousand word, so let's make a graph out of it


https://imgur.com/xx2xSka

Wow did you notice? He was sleeping from 10PM to 6AM - a well 8 hours sleep!

So can I say now, that he was from USA or at least he was in USA during 2009 - 2010?

You might ask for some proofs, so here is how I concluded this...? let see the postings pattern of Theymos.


https://imgur.com/lHDRDiK

Well clearly Theymos is not sleeping for 8 hours, but he is sleeping for 6-7 hours 1AM to 7AM at least.
Isn't the pattern matching?

For more proofs, that he was human... here is my sleeping pattern


https://imgur.com/B3OIk8b
Well I'm very bad at time management, but I also sleep 2AM - 7AM (5 hours at least)

I'm sure this will be true for majority of us... any one interested to see his/her posting pattern? Or sleeping pattern if say... let me know

• I took Satoshi's last 539 posts instead of 575, my bad programming
• I took recent 1000 posts of Theymos from 2015 to 2018
• Bitcointalk is saving all times in GMT+0, so I did conversion to respective GMT
• No, I'm not saying Theymos is Satoshi

[InvoKing]

Don't know where you read that satoshi is from Japan?even if he has a Japanese's origin , he could be living in the USA right now.

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[Welsh]

- He will sleep during night like all of us and active during the day

Developers/coders are typically stereotyped of having inconsistent sleeping patterns, especially when it comes to big projects. Even though I appreciate the effort you've put into the post, and the images it's nothing more than speculation.

Don't know where you read that satoshi is from Japan?even if he has a Japanese's origin , he could be living in the USA right now.

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People assume it, because "Satoshi" is a Japanese name.

[LoyceMobile]

With sleeping late and getting up early, you'll have to move the time approximately 3 hours.

[shahzadafzal]

Don't know where you read that satoshi is from Japan?even if he has a Japanese's origin , he could be living in the USA right now.

No, not me but people think he's from Japan because of the name Satoshi Nakamoto. He could anywhere, he could be using VPN. But I put him in the USA.

Developers/coders are typically stereotyped of having inconsistent sleeping patterns, especially when it comes to big projects. Even though I appreciate the effort you've put into the post, and the images it's nothing more than speculation.

You got me... I assumed he wasn't a stereotype developer but a normal human... after all I just speculated.

With sleeping late and getting up early, you'll have to move the time approximately 3 hours.

Well USA is GMT -5 to GMT -9...  I will move Satoshi around, but will keep him in in USA

[Thirdspace]

- He will sleep during night like all of us and active during the day

Developers/coders are typically stereotyped of having inconsistent sleeping patterns, especially when it comes to big projects. Even though I appreciate the effort you've put into the post, and the images it's nothing more than speculation.

can't argue with that. I, too, believe most if not all real coders always have irregular sleeping time.
theymos should bring back user stats page, so we can see our posting patterns
well, he edited his post to add: "Edit: This is just for fun, so please don't take it literally. "

Well I'm very bad at time management, but I also sleep 2AM - 7AM (5 hours at least)

I'm sure this will be true for majority of us... any one interested to see his/her posting pattern? Or sleeping pattern if say... let me know

do you mind running your program on my forum posts? I wonder what kind of pattern I have.
and try guess where I am from by that pattern without reading my posts, don't cheat

[stompix]

Well USA is GMT -5 to GMT -9...  I will move Satoshi around, but will keep him in in USA

And why not Canada? Mexico ? Cayman Islands ?

But now honestly, this has been discussed a thousands times and a thousands times it has ended with the same result.
This time won't be different either.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Don't know where you read that satoshi is from Japan?even if he has a Japanese's origin , he could be living in the USA right now.

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That could be, of course, but I've always suspected that Satoshi isn't one person but a group, and probably associated with one of the American alphabet agencies, like the CIA--and I'm not even a conspiracy theorist.  When he wrote posts here his English was impeccable.  That doesn't rule out being Japanese, but I doubt he would be a native of Japan. 

I just don't know and I've stopped wondering.  Bitcoin has become bigger than the founder, and his disappearance was smart on his part--if it's a he and I don't know that it is.

[TheQuin]

When he wrote posts here his English was impeccable.  That doesn't rule out being Japanese, but I doubt he would be a native of Japan. 

I just don't know and I've stopped wondering.  Bitcoin has become bigger than the founder, and his disappearance was smart on his part--if it's a he and I don't know that it is.

I remember reading that his earliest work was written in US English and then he switched to British English and stayed with that. All that really tells us is that he was very good at disguising his identity. Obviously choosing the times at which he posted to misdirect us about his location would be even easier.

[shahzadafzal]

do you mind running your program on my forum posts? I wonder what kind of pattern I have.
and try guess where I am from by that pattern without reading my posts, don't cheat

Well I will apply same rules as above, waking up at 8AM and sleeping at 10PM.

The best I can say that you are from GMT -1 Zone


https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/06/mR9eJ.png

ohh man come on are you sleeping for two hours only? Here are my wild guesses about you

• You sleep at 10PM
• You commute between 4PM-6PM
• You use bitcointalk after dinner, from 8PM-10PM

This is your GMT +0 graph

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/06/mRgGC.jpeg
See for Satoshi, I started with that he is from USA so that's why it was easy to plot. Also I had Theymos's posting pattern so I can match.
Now tell me your real time zone and I will update the the graph.

[mdayonliner]

https://i.imgur.com/EiZGCNu.png

Can I have one of mine please 
I would like to see my stats. I am pretty sure the pattern will be very easy to detect my sleeping habit. 

Thank you in advance shahzadafzal 

[shahzadafzal]

Can I have one of mine please 
I would like to see my stats. I am pretty sure the pattern will be very easy to detect my sleeping habit. 

Thank you in advance shahzadafzal 

You are definitely sleeping at 11PM and waking up at 6AM.

Are you sleeping for only 5/6 hours?


https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/06/mRifb.png

[mdayonliner]

Can I have one of mine please  
I would like to see my stats. I am pretty sure the pattern will be very easy to detect my sleeping habit.  

Thank you in advance shahzadafzal  

You are definitely sleeping at 11PM and waking up at 6AM.

Are you sleeping for only 5/6 hours?


https://i.imgur.com/tqH5vEN.png

I owe you a merit for this but I will not send it in here. After posting this comment I will go to your post history and find a good post to merit you. I am sure I will find one. The reason I am not sending the merit on this post is, it will look like I sent the merit to show my appreciations which is not the right direction to use our sMerits.
I am not going to disclose my timezone in public however I am a night owl in general to give you clue. 11PM is kind of mid day for me  

Seems like I do spend 5/6 hours of sleep a day but my sleeping pattern is really wired. There were time I have not slept for longest 72 hours in a raw again there were time when I have slept 5 days in a raw (only toilet and snacks then again bed).

PS: I used to be a programmer.

Update:
My believe was right. Found one posts worth sending merit and done 

[coinlocket$]

Good investigation, it seems plausible that he lived in that time zone but there are also other countries besides the United States on that GTM ZONE. Also there are considerations to do, I personally know people who go to sleep at 8PM and others who go to sleep at 03 AM so with a difference of 7 hours! I mean, statistically he/she/they was in NA but never say never.

[Thirdspace]

The best I can say that you are from GMT -1 Zone
---snip---
See for Satoshi, I started with that he is from USA so that's why it was easy to plot. Also I had Theymos's posting pattern so I can match.
Now tell me your real time zone and I will update the the graph.

my time zone GMT +7, your graph will still show irregular pattern but that's my forum life
someone with mobile device, sleeping problems or no real life can show evenly distributed posts weirder than mine

I am not going to disclose my timezone in public however I am a night owl in general to give you clue. 11PM is kind of mid day for me  

why not? disclosing your timezone won't get you in trouble
If I may guess, you're in GMT +5/6  

[shahzadafzal]

my time zone GMT +7, your graph will still show irregular pattern but that's my forum life
someone with mobile device, sleeping problems or no real life can show evenly distributed posts weirder than mine

... if that's true... but for sure you are a morning person!!!


https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/06/mR8Kv.png

why not? disclosing your timezone won't get you in trouble
If I may guess, you're in GMT +5/6 

Yes that's why I guess time zone instead of location. I don't think time zone will disclose someone's precise location.
But guess what... GMT +6 is fitting to @mdayonliner what he told us

PS: I used to be a programmer.

Those are the days!!! being programmer...   I can understand... I have been in such situations many times

[Heisenberg_Hunter]

So can I say now, that he was from USA or at least he was in USA during 2009 - 2010?

But isn't "The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks." the headlines from a UK newspaper?

Don't know where you read that satoshi is from Japan?

p2p foundation profile of satoshi was used by himself during the early days of bitcoin to announce his project. He registered with the gmx mail and claimed he was from Japan and was born on 1975.

Satoshi may be one among the members in this forum still watching us... There are never ending bed time stories which could be interesting to read, but there are no evidences to prove this.

One of the interesting events I have been waiting for in this forum....

I'll probably release Satoshi's PMs and logged IPs addresses in ~8 years. This'd probably be of great historical interest. (Though he always used Tor, as far as I can tell.)

[Bitcoinsupervisor]

Some people think that Satoshi is a time traveler, or who knows, maybe it's our Theymos. 

[Tomcasper]

how can we believe when someone admits himself as Satoshi ?
does it happen before ?

[InvoKing]

how can we believe when someone admits himself as Satoshi ?
does it happen before ?

1- when he gives valid proofs.
2- Yea, it happened before and it may happens in the future : I don't consider Wikipedia as a reliable source but it could contains some informations so take a look here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satoshi_Nakamoto#Craig_Steven_Wright