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I wish they would've just shipped us the boards and let us get our own cases, psus, etc and refunded us some btc.
^this If the current 30 day delay is because of needing to book new slots with CIARA for assembly then why not just ship out the bare modules and/or kits? Perhaps customers that opt in to self-assemble a kit can actually get some hardware shipped now?
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January 01, 2014, 05:50:54 PM |
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I run a computer shop and build a lot of custom machines. We get cases in single boxed all the time and I would say at least 2/3 of them are damaged in some way. Shipping a piece of equipment *that* expensive that way is just... wow. Glad I did not order one now. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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January 01, 2014, 05:52:35 PM |
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If the current 30 day delay is because of needing to book new slots with CIARA for assembly then why not just ship out the bare modules and/or kits? Do you think that in 30 days they can't find an alternative to CIARA? For all of that money? Nah....
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My anger against what is wrong in the Bitcoin community is productive: Bitcointa.lk - Replace "Bitcointalk.org" with "Bitcointa.lk" in this url to see how this page looks like on a proper forum (Announcement Thread)Hashfast.org - Wiki for screwed customers
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January 01, 2014, 05:54:21 PM |
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You and I both know this is just propaganda. At the same time they announced they were shipping to the world they sent out the letter to customers stating that they were not shipping. It is just for show, so it appears they met their targets and demonstrate a best effort to deliver if they end up in court.
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January 01, 2014, 05:55:32 PM |
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demonstrate a best effort to deliver if they end up in court. With that email? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
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My anger against what is wrong in the Bitcoin community is productive: Bitcointa.lk - Replace "Bitcointalk.org" with "Bitcointa.lk" in this url to see how this page looks like on a proper forum (Announcement Thread)Hashfast.org - Wiki for screwed customers
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January 03, 2014, 02:49:51 PM |
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When they accidentally CC'd all their customers, did anyone take a rough estimate of how many emails there were? Trying to gauge the magnitude of this.
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January 03, 2014, 06:07:56 PM |
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We are trying to sort out all versions and modifications of the terms of sale, and publish it here: http://hashfast.org/Terms_of_SaleWe need more data points. If you got an order confirmation letter after a purchase you have made in august, with a Terms of Sale attached to it, or you have a web snapshot from a date not already mentioned at the above page, could you please publish it? (Or send me?) * * * Please note that this is important, because these terms are most likely going to be base of any legal claims. One thing is already apparent: at least in some cases, the ToS versions they have sent out in order confirmation emails do not seem to be the same version which was present on the web when the order was made. We have web snapshots from both the 25th and the 28th of August, here: http://hashfast.org/Terms_of_Sale/25_August_2013http://hashfast.org/Terms_of_Sale/28_August_2013The changes between these versions are minimal: Changed: Spelling: Hashfast -> HastFast Added: terms for wire transfer payment However, at least the versions sent out in order confirmation mails for orders made around the 26th of August are totally different: http://hashfast.org/Terms_of_Sale/27_August_2013There are many differences. (Full analysis coming later.) We need more data points, so please publish what you have.
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January 03, 2014, 11:38:07 PM |
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Where is the 8/16/13 "Cara @ Support" quote coming from, by the way?
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January 04, 2014, 01:18:33 AM |
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Where is the 8/16/13 "Cara @ Support" quote coming from, by the way?
Get in touch with jjiimm_64 he has the original email.
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January 04, 2014, 01:19:33 AM |
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I have no reason to actually see it, I was just curious because it was the only one not linked.
Appreciate it.
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January 04, 2014, 01:23:17 AM |
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Where is the 8/16/13 "Cara @ Support" quote coming from, by the way?
Get in touch with jjiimm_64 he has the original email. first post! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=391251.0
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January 05, 2014, 03:10:45 AM |
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Anybody has ever seen a ToS version not covered here? http://hashfast.org/Terms_of_Sale(Especially early versions, from August / September, either from the web, or from emails.)
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January 05, 2014, 07:15:01 PM |
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This needs to be added to the scam timeline: More preorders.Credits for this goes to someone willing to stay out of all this mess.
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[OVER] RIDDLES 2nd edition --- this was claimed. Look out for 3rd edition! I won't ever ask for a loan nor offer any escrow service. If I do, please consider my account as hacked.
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January 05, 2014, 08:58:08 PM |
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Have they even been issued a subpoena by anyone yet?
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January 05, 2014, 09:34:43 PM |
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Have they even been issued a subpoena by anyone yet?
Wouldn't someone have to sue them first?
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January 06, 2014, 06:22:27 AM |
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Here are the deleted posts of HashFast-related accounts. Some of these may have been deleted by moderators. HashFast promised (and still promises) delivery by Dec 31.
Notice how you deleted the quote that proves you wrong? I'll add it again. It's only 6 words. I know a couple of them have a lot of letters, but try reading it again. That quote is completely irrelevant. The only thing that matters is the Terms of Sale, which states Dec 31 is the guaranteed delivery date. The Terms of Sale do not include your completely irrelevant quite, which is from an insecure internet forum of all things. Cointerra promised mid December delivery.
It is now mid-December, but their chips aren't even finished.
Cointerra failed; they over-promised a mid-Dec date and under-delivered a late-Jan date instead.
Cointerra knew they couldn't delivery in Dec. They lied to get our money and we will prove it when we sue them for fraud and false advertising.HashFast Technologies is unaware of a deal being done with any entity that would be able to offer these items for sale at these prices with such assurances on any HashFast products.
-John
Does this upgrade include MPP, would we get up to 4x the 800GH/s ?
Unfortunately, at that price, we cannot offer the Miner Protection Program. -John So, I think where I'm looking for more clarity is:
1) Cost of the board/rig required to run additional chips if the MPP gets executed. Do we have a parts manifest for this yet, or a price to outright buy a pre-assembled rig from Hashfast?
2) If anyone from Batch-1 gets additional chips from the MPP, everyone should. Otherwise, there can be situations in which people who are ahead in the shipment queue actually do worse. For example, let's say that the 1st BabyJet from batch-1 goes out on October 25th and has made a slight profit by Jan 23rd; under the current MPP verbiage as I read it, that means no new chips for Owner #1. Let's further say that the 500th BabyJet from batch-1 goes out November 25th, but has just barely not covered costs by Feb 22nd. In this case, the owner of the 500th gets new chips for free, but the owner of the 1st still doesn't. Given the low power consumption of BabyJets, they'll likely be worth running for quite some time, so over that lifetime, the owner of the 500th probably does better. It depends on the exact nature of how the overall network hash-rate curve develops, of course, but it seems to me that the fairest thing to do is to execute the MPP across the entire Batch; ie, if anyone from the batch gets more chips, everyone should.
Can we get some clarity/comments on the above?
In any event, HF seems to be doing great work. Tape-out ~10 days ago, plus the TSMC announcement...good stuff.
Hi Melbus, These are great questions. I just sent them to engienering, so as to get the best possible answers. I will post here soon. -John still waiting for more information regarding their chip and foundry before taking the leap. I still remember back when Avalon started, they had their TSMC contract for all to see which was great.
Hi, Cara tells me this is resolved. Please let me know if you ahve anyt further issues. Thanks for your business! - John As a Group Buy Coordinator of 1 co-op owned HashFast BabyJet, I am pleased with the terms and conditions of your MPP. I like the transparency and level of detail. It should serve as a model for future ASIC rig pre-orders IMO. Anything you can add about the Motherboard specs/availability and institutional pricing for said Mommy boards? [IT Birds N Bees - " See son: "Baby computers are made when a Daddy board and a Mommy board fall in love and..."]Could be an entrepreneurial opportunity there for someone. ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Thanks! Details are going to have to wait until after tapeout. (Engineering is busy right now) However, we want to encourage others to design rigs for our chips and we are excited about what this community will do with them! -John Can you post details of chip communication, pin out, PCB designs, etc to github so that we can get started on designing rigs? It's pretty clear [for anyone who can do basic math] that your MPP is going to be triggered. Those who will be receiving bare chips as part of the MPP will need the additional boards. Thanks I can assure you that we will, but not until after tapeout, which is very very soon. -John Hi Everyone, This is a statement from Uniquify Inc, one of the world's leading ASIC deisgn firms, and our exclusive ASIC deisgn partner. Subscribe on our website for upcoming product details, or hit me up directly with questions. More to come... Cheers, John Skrodenis HashFast.com ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fhashfast.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F07%2Funiquify-statement1.jpg&t=665&c=aakePseYwLsNvQ) Hi Everyone, This is a statement from Uniquify Inc, one of the leading ASIC deisgn firms in the world. They are our exclusive ASIC design partner. Subscribe on our website to receive product notifications, or hit me up directly with questions. More to come... Cheers, John Skrodenis HashFast.com ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fhashfast.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F07%2Funiquify-statement1.jpg&t=665&c=aakePseYwLsNvQ)
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January 06, 2014, 04:45:13 PM |
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thank you very much for work.
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January 08, 2014, 01:25:50 AM |
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They started talking like tape out was imminent on Aug. 20th in blog posts and forum messages. It didn't actually happen for another 8-9 days though. Perhaps that is what you are thinking of. http://hashfast.com/countdown-to-tapeout/
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