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May 18, 2018, 12:52:44 PM
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I don't think all of them are doing it maliciously though. Maybe that's just the way their keyboard is configured if that's their native language and originally it's genuine users making a post and some other bot is just coming along and copy and pasting that one. Could be wrong but I'm not sure whether people are doing purposely to avoid detection.

No, here you are wrong. I'm using Cyrillic keyboard layout too but for to achieve what they do you need to switch between the two EN/BG (or RU) to change every single letter which has homograph or use Word like program to search and replace those characters.
I have seen this before in my University in order to avoid the plagiarism checker, some students has done that, but they got caught at the end.
If it happens in one word or two it can be taken as mistake but doing this for 15 and more words. Here is an example with proof >

I am utilizing imToken to protect most of my holdings,using these imToken will prevent you from being attacked by these hackers.They are less vulnerable compare to the web wallets that has higher chance and prone to these hackers,imToken are the most secured type of cryptocurrency storage.I am utilizing imToken for about 3 years now and I dont encountered any problem utilizing it. Unless you open your security to programmers...

In my opinion, the best altcoin besides bitcoin is ethereum. It has shown great progress through time and has a lot of tokens using it. The increase in price might be slower compared to bitcoin but it is consistently rising.

New altcoins have a large room for it to gain more value. For me, it is really good to invest in new altcoins but always check the track of the coin if it still growing or if it is slowly decreasing its value. also study other new altcoins how it behave.

You know that investment is always risky weather it is crypto or other project. If you don't have the risk taking ability than you are in the wrong track. You better forget about crypto. It's a market of up and down. When the is very high you keep praising it and when down you keep crying. That's nothing but wasting time.

My most favorite ICo project is onLive, which provides users with revolutionary capabilities when working with streaming video.
early completion of pre-ICo showed that the project is a success and I believe in the success of the tokensale.

I do not think that blockchain projects in the medical industry are a good idea. because it is not a sufficiently studied technology, it is not implemented anywhere 100%. and in general, the medical industry is not one of those that is so easy to change

You can hold some eTH and and buy some alts. Get some cheap coins from the top 50-100. Look into them and see which ones you like and you think have potential for growth.

although bitcoin is very good, it still has disadvantages that can not be overcome. So the altcoin was born with outstanding features and the ability to apply in practice, these altcoins have made the market crypto more diverse and more nuanced.

It is very good time to invest in ICO,you can see zebi 7x profit recently ,you must find all the information about the project and team,read carefully the whitepaper and roadmap ,choose the most interesting and promising  project,
i sure you will win profits too.

I think there has to be a fine balance, never say never but with the current trends and plethora of project it makes sense to see some evidence that the team has the capability to deliver what has been promised at least a test alpha of a product.

Here is the proof of the homographs using the browser auto-correct option.
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May 18, 2018, 02:32:48 PM
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I don't think all of them are doing it maliciously though. Maybe that's just the way their keyboard is configured if that's their native language and originally it's genuine users making a post and some other bot is just coming along and copy and pasting that one. Could be wrong but I'm not sure whether people are doing purposely to avoid detection.

No, here you are wrong. I'm using Cyrillic keyboard layout too but for to achieve what they do you need to switch between the two EN/BG (or RU) to change every single letter which has homograph or use Word like program to search and replace those characters.
I have seen this before in my University in order to avoid the plagiarism checker, some students has done that, but they got caught at the end.
If it happens in one word or two it can be taken as mistake but doing this for 15 and more words. Here is an example with proof >



Well I said I might be, but I've seen bots copy these posts with the foreign characters which are seemingly the original post, but where are the original posts they copy and pasted from?


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May 18, 2018, 05:22:12 PM
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It's very interesting to see how many if my reports was marked as bad and how many are unhandled. But I'm wondering why my report history page is empty, I don't see any posts there, just stats. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=reportlist;mine

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May 18, 2018, 05:58:05 PM
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May 18, 2018, 06:04:16 PM
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Good idea: especially the last report's history

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May 18, 2018, 06:11:18 PM
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Well I said I might be, but I've seen bots copy these posts with the foreign characters which are seemingly the original post, but where are the original posts they copy and pasted from?
That's the annoying part: to find the original, you have to actually type it again by yourself. The last one from iasenko's list for instance came from this:

I think there has to be a fine balance, never say never but with the current trends and plethora of project it makes sense to see some evidence that the team has the capability to deliver what has been promised at least a test Alpha of a product.

Some are more difficult to find: I can only find parts of the text. If a bot combines a homograph attack with copying parts of different posts, it is very difficult to prove plagiarism.
I'd say they should all be banned. Using a homograph attack is enough reason to assume bad intentions.

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May 18, 2018, 06:22:05 PM
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Does someone have a table of these characters? I can automatically convert non-standard characters to ASCII.

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May 18, 2018, 06:40:26 PM
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Does someone have a table of these characters? I can automatically convert non-standard characters to ASCII.

This is the one I use:
http://sites.psu.edu/symbolcodes/languages/europe/cyrillic/cyrillicchart/

@Welsh,   now I saw that you edited it your comment. Why did you remove it now man.

There are more characters see the link I posted, not only the main Cyrillic, like:
CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER DZE   S   &‌#1029;   &‌#x0405;


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May 18, 2018, 06:51:06 PM
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Does someone have a table of these characters? I can automatically convert non-standard characters to ASCII.
From my other thread:
I can say about the russian alphabet. It has some cyrillic symbols which can be used in a homograph attack.

Lower case (6 identical symbols):
aбвгдeёжзийклмнoпpcтyфxцчшщъыьэюя
abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

Upper case (11 identical symbols):
AБBГДEЁЖЗИЙКЛMHOПPCTУФXЦЧШЩЪЫЬЭЮЯ
ABCDEFGHIGKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ

Note that the cyrillic symbols are encoded as 2 bytes in UTF-8, therefore:
1) wallet = 6 unicode symbols = 6 bytes in UTF-8
2) wallet = 6 unicode symbols  = 8 bytes in UTF-8

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May 18, 2018, 07:02:35 PM
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Does someone have a table of these characters? I can automatically convert non-standard characters to ASCII.

This is the one I use:
http://sites.psu.edu/symbolcodes/languages/europe/cyrillic/cyrillicchart/

@Welsh,   now I saw that you edited it your comment. Why did you remove it now man.

There are more characters see the link I posted, not only the main Cyrillic, like:
CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER DZE   S   &‌#1029;   &‌#x0405;


I thought yours was a better resource, and therefore mine was redundant.  I was going to initially format a table here on the forum but, decided against that  Cheesy

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May 18, 2018, 07:13:56 PM
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I thought yours was a better resource, and therefore mine was redundant.  I was going to initially format a table here on the forum but, decided against that  Cheesy

Well the more resources, the better. (Not sure if the grammar is correct here). In my link I found other similarities too not only the well known RU/BG Cyrillic. There are letters like S J Y etc. I didn't knew were Cyrillic from Ukrainian, Belarusian, Serbian etc. Hope I can make a list as soon as I get to a pc.

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May 18, 2018, 07:14:11 PM
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These stats are wonderful. Feedback on reporting does make a difference.
The flip side is that there could be a lot more discussions on specific moderating decisions.
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May 18, 2018, 07:16:32 PM
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Well the more resources, the better. (Not sure if the grammar is correct here). In my link I found other similarities too not only the well known RU/BG Cyrillic. There are letters like S J Y etc. I didn't knew were Cyrillic from Ukrainian, Belarusian, Serbian etc. Hope I can make a list as soon as I get to a pc.

That's true. But, yours had what mine had in it, and more. So wasn't any point really. I was also unaware of the different languages usage of Cyrillic.

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It's very interesting to see how many if my reports was marked as bad and how many are unhandled. But I'm wondering why my report history page is empty, I don't see any posts there, just stats. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=reportlist;mine
I also have an empty reportlist, but I have stopped reporting as soon as my stats has started to decrease.
I'll start to report again and we'll see if my reportlist will show up or not.
Also from now on, we can learn from our reports and have better stats in the end (hopefully).
EDIT: I've reported one, but it only increased the unhandled, no history still

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May 18, 2018, 09:23:50 PM
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It takes a lot of time for me to change back all Cyrillic letters back to Latin in order to search for copy/paste posts. It's easier to detect the homographs.
Damn you're good.

Regarding the new stats, I don't get all pumped up because of the posts I've reported--but this is a nice, new feature.  It's encouraging to know that reported posts are taken seriously enough to make something like this, and maybe it'll motivate new people to report the nonsense they see.  And boy are they ever going to see some nonsense. 

I didn't think my report rate would be anywhere near 99%, but it is.  Then again, I've reported a lot of obvious spam and some reports by what seemed to be bots, and those I'm sure were good reports.  But I've also reported run-of-the-mill shitposts that I wasn't sure mods would agree with, much less take action on.  So keep reporting those shitposts, people.  It'll do the forum some good and probably won't affect your report accuracy all that much.  There isn't much to lose.

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May 19, 2018, 09:22:27 AM
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Well I said I might be, but I've seen bots copy these posts with the foreign characters which are seemingly the original post, but where are the original posts they copy and pasted from?
That's the annoying part: to find the original, you have to actually type it again by yourself. The last one from iasenko's list for instance came from this:

I think there has to be a fine balance, never say never but with the current trends and plethora of project it makes sense to see some evidence that the team has the capability to deliver what has been promised at least a test Alpha of a product.

Some are more difficult to find: I can only find parts of the text. If a bot combines a homograph attack with copying parts of different posts, it is very difficult to prove plagiarism.
I'd say they should all be banned. Using a homograph attack is enough reason to assume bad intentions.

Thought they might be making composites from several posts by changing sentences around and swapping words etc but notice how they changed hardwallets to imToken and a few other things:


I am using hardwallet to protect most of my holdings,using these hardwallets will prevent you from being attacked by these hackers.They are less vulnerable compare to the app and web wallets that has higher risk and prone to these hackers,hardwallets are the most secured type of cryptocurrency storage.I am using ledger nano s for about 2 years and i dont encountered any problem using it.

I am utilizing imToken to protect most of my holdings,using these imToken will prevent you from being attacked by these hackers.they are less vulnerable compare to the web wallets that has higher chance and prone to these hackers,imToken are the most secured type of cryptocurrency storage.I am utilizing imToken for about 3 years now and I dont encountered any problem utilizing it. Unless you open your security to programmers...

Sneaky bastards.



The red lines are almost the same whilst the green has seemingly been changed quite a bit but is obviously based off the original.

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May 19, 2018, 10:10:48 PM
Last edit: May 19, 2018, 10:30:55 PM by iasenko
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Finally found a tool to convert the homographs back to Latin without having to change every single homograph manually. Easy and simple to use Wink
https://2cyr.com/?7
Here is how to use it, because it is in Bulgarian.
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May 19, 2018, 10:23:37 PM
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I think it will be good incentive for people and  encourage them  to report bad behavior .

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May 19, 2018, 10:26:08 PM
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Once I saw this thread a good idea come to my mind . What you guys think about getting points ( Merit ) for every successful report ! would that work ?

I think it will be good incentive for people and  encourage them  to report bad behavior .

It's been discussed, and there's two reasons why it's a bad idea:

1. Easy to abuse. For example, users creating alt accounts, and purposely posting something which would result in a good report.

2. Merits are suppose to be used for rewarding a high quality post. Merits shouldn't be used for anything other than the measure of a users post quality.

Having a clean forum should be enough of an incentive.

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I don't even have a link to my report history on this account for some reason. I do on my main one but there's obviously nothing there since I haven't needed to report anything in years.

I see that all the homograph attacks I reported are note handled yet. Why is that? Do you need more proof for those?

They take time to look into. It's best to include the link to the post they copied which makes things much easier. Otherwise staff have to spend time searching for it and they can't always be found easy.

I don't have a report history or the amount which is good, bad or unhandled so I don't think it's ranked based. I've made a very small amount of reports though so I'm guessing the more in depth stats become available once you've reported over a certain amount of posts.

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