17.2TH/s, 1570W Innosilicon announces the most powerful and efficient BTC Miner

[minefarmbuy]

Someone happen to know if it plays nicely with US 110 volt and if not, which PSU would work here?

If the firmware allows "efficiency mode" like the Halong T1 then it might be in a safe range to use 110v with EVGA OR Corsair 1600 watt PSU  assuming your home wiring and breaker can accommodate.

Minimum in my opinion would be 20 amp line ran with 12 gauge. If able, dedicate the circuit to the miner. Will of course be a fire hazard, but the 1600 watt mentioned psu's should run it on 110v. Down clocking would be a great idea.

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[philipma1957]

Innosilicons website is showing close to 11k usd shipping charge for MOQ. Per unit would be just over 1.7k including shipping. Adding customs in at 3% is roughly 175k usd for MOQ. Unless their shipping charge is not correct.

they must have changed shipping from 2100 to 11000

did you use usa for shipping destination?

either way 166,800 or 175,000 for 100 pieces is costly

100 avalon 841 or 100 s9i are far less.

 think I can order 100 avalon for about 100,000  but if I get 120 for 120k  I will have the exact same hash rate for 50k lower
I get a 2 year warranty vs 6 months
I can mine at any btc pool or bch pool

 can get 120 s9i for under 100k
6 month warranty
mine at ant btc pool or bch pool

they are not as efficient but
savings of 50k and 2 year warranty avalon 841
savings of 70k and 6 month warranty  for s9i

over ride the efficiency gain.

I will tell you this I have a t1 doing 14.2th pulling 1250 watts and fan is 31% in an 85f room

so the gear is nice. but price point is too high

[toptek12]

correct me if I'm wrong

why would anyone pay 1600 per miner for a miner that can only make 117.00 a month that would make ROI 13.67521367521368 month to reach ROI with that going down every few weeks on top of you have to buy a 1000 that makes ROI even harder to reach ,before costs .

i also get the feeling they will pull the same shit they pulled with the A4 Dominator sell the first one under specs then come out with another one that cost more that is better but may not make ROI in any reason able time .
 
An People with to much money will feed these trolls and con men.

why not do what they all claimed at first they would do make miners for everyone that can be used in homes etc . I knew that would change as greed kicked in now there load , use lots of power for what they make .

my 2 cents worth an I'll buy into like everyone else .......sigh.

I have a hard time seeing these winning, I think new tech is around the corner, perhaps water cooled and with low NM, I know people are working on 8nm chips and close to market.

They will blow the competition away. How would these suffice when 30TH/s+ is around the corner. What will happen to the S9:s

I have to agree don't buy this shit you will be sorry you did, wait for the 30 to 40 th miners that will probable use the same amount of Electricity at about the same price and you may not have to buy a 1000 to me this looks like a cash grab an right after they sell off two batches butmian or some one else comes out with a higher end miner with about the same operating cost but closer to 50 th then these miner become useless fast with no ROI then who makes out, it sure as hell is not the Customer we don't matter any more expect to be screwed over as much as possible .

I will admit the gear sounds and probable is nice but the first A4 Dominator was a big disappointment when it came out and felt like a beta test we paid for . then the  A4 Dominator + came out and was awesome but the cost was to much and now it's not worth what they still want .


I can only guess how long the T2 will last till they come out with there t6 or t7 etc  that uses less power and pumps out more hash .

why is this taking so long come out wasn't the t2 suppose to come out about the same time the A4 Dominator did ? .

[minefarmbuy]

We haven't received 100 MOQ yet for an order to get exact numbers but 130-150 usd is about standard shipping cost for their per unit asics. But inputting location is about 10.8k usd in shipping from what I remember for the T2.

It's nice to advertise the fastest asic in market but MAP on their products is closer to retail pricing compared to how other manufacturers structure theirs. Unless they plan to keep a static price through market fluctuations. Which would negate the argument during a bull market that other asics have better ROI or return as in theory one wouldn't be able to acquire considerably more hashing for the same amount of funds but is still dependent on T2 price staying static.

ie. 2x s9i hashing for 28th/s for roughly 1.9k usd with shipping & customs or even less with coupons.

Granted at BTC prices now with two s9i's are just barely more profitable than on T2 but ROI is about 100 days sooner with 2 s9i's at MAP now (our two promotional s9i available would put ROI at 230 something days at .10/kw).

I suppose to sum up my thoughts, Innosilicon needs to compete in price and offer quicker ROI to users to take market share now while they have the advantage of power and efficiencies in available asics for consumers. As this advantage wont last long.

The T2 is still at least 200 usd overpriced to match ROI on the 2x s9i example. Even still if your spending 170k on mining equipment you more so care about total hash more so than I imagine on efficiency. Buying double the unit count for 1.1k th/s more for same amount of money is worth it now and in prep for bull market (200x s9i's vs. 100x T2).

If I was Innosilicon I would match the Canaan listing of less than 1.2k per unit and sell out of these now but they're the masters of their own fate.

[Thetaj]

100 avalon 841 or 100 s9i are far less.

 think I can order 100 avalon for about 100,000  but if I get 120 for 120k  I will have the exact same hash rate for 50k lower
I get a 2 year warranty vs 6 months
I can mine at any btc pool or bch pool

 can get 120 s9i for under 100k
6 month warranty
mine at ant btc pool or bch pool

they are not as efficient but
savings of 50k and 2 year warranty avalon 841
savings of 70k and 6 month warranty  for s9i

over ride the efficiency gain.

I will tell you this I have a t1 doing 14.2th pulling 1250 watts and fan is 31% in an 85f room

so the gear is nice. but price point is too high

You hit the nail on the head here. For medium sized mines (that can afford 100 units at a time). We are looking at 0.03-0.05 USD/kwh. Simple math calculation says that in order for the efficiency to justify the price: 10% more efficient means I save around 10$ for every 100$ of electricity spent per hash.

So for 120 841s, I'd be spending ~70k USD a year on electricity
For  100 Inno T2s I'd be spending ~10% less so 63k USD per year.

So in order to justify the price diff of 50k for efficiency: I would have to go 70-63 = 7k ---> 50/7 = 7.14 motherfucking years

Good luck with your 10% efficiency for 50k more bro.

[vincl]

so i get 17.3TH @slushpool 24h average
1620W but with about 30°C ambient temp

[philipma1957]

As much as I wanted to get this unit  today I purchased 2 s9i's  for 1265 usd shipped to my home in USA NJ.

so I get 28th  for 1265    moq of 1

and this unit is 17th for 1600   moq of 100 pieces


Frankly  I owned  5 t1's and I liked them I sold off 2  and kept 3.

But the pricing tactics of bitmain are brutal.

28th at .11 watts is  3100 watts

17 th at .09 watts is  1530 watts
34 th at  .09 watts is 3060 watts



so at equal power the t2  may do  34th  vs 28th for the s9i

cost t2 3200 plus shipping is 3400 usd
cost s9i 1265 with shipping

I am 2000usd  less with equal power use

and 6th more with the t2  6th earns  about 78 a month so  I need more then 25 months  to make the T2 a better deal.

I realize  that  can change  but  the T2 is overpriced even if it is better the the s9i.

[HagssFIN]

Innosilicon is full of shit, just choose some other manufacturer.

[krasimir]

I will never buy another Innosilicon again. I purchased 6 of their previous miners at 10k a piece. Worse decision I ever made. After multiple delays, they finally came. Two of the miners didn't work. They were able to fix one remotely, but the other one, I had to mail to them. It takes several days to even weeks for them to reply back to emails. It took Innosilicon several months to attempt to fix it (which still doesn't work). All they seem to care about is pushing the latest product and overcharging. Stick with bitmain.

[minefarmbuy]

Looks like MOQ has dropped to 5 units and their shipping cost was reduced as well, lowering overall price. We've been getting everything as ordered so far but you never know, customer service is as much a commodity as an asic. We have listed just under 1.8k and 9k for single and full MOQ now. We're happy we could place orders at the new MOQ and price, but it's still not market competitive. If you order straight from them its looking like a hair over 1.6k, without customs/impport taxes. Best.

[alvynly]

Rubbish units with high rates of failure. Bought a defective one, sent it for repair, returned faulty AGAIN. Yet Innosilicon refused to bear the shipping cost for their shit servicing. They are having a buy 1 get 1 free yet they can't repair/replace a unit? Think twice before you buy from the most toxic company ever guys.

[vincl]

Rubbish units with high rates of failure. Bought a defective one, sent it for repair, returned faulty AGAIN. Yet Innosilicon refused to bear the shipping cost for their shit servicing. They are having a buy 1 get 1 free yet they can't repair/replace a unit? Think twice before you buy from the most toxic company ever guys.

i think you are in the wrong thread, its about T2

[NotFuzzyWarm]

i think you are in the wrong thread, its about T2

No IS the correct thread because Inno makes the T2. Their point is that Inno has historically been a horrible company to deal with as alvynly and other folks in other threads are pointing out. Buyer beware!

[numnutz2009]

As much as I wanted to get this unit  today I purchased 2 s9i's  for 1265 usd shipped to my home in USA NJ.

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lol wait...first u accuse folks of tryin to "smear" u and u admit that u havent even paid for the hardware u promised u were going to pay for (uk...to prove ur not a shill for halong). u then accuse people bad mouthing halong and the t1 (including me of course since i have posted about u and halong) of bein paid shills but have 0 proof to back up ur claim (i have yet to receive a single piece of hardware or a single dime for my comments) even though u have been exposed as receiving free gear and not payin for it....then if that wasnt enough of a reason to dislike ur ethics u go and say u sold 2 of the miners u havent even paid for?? 2 of the miners u were given for FREEEEEEE?? u have the nerve to accuse us of bein shills when u have profited from bolstering the rep of a shady company?? where r my free miners?? where is my money?? most of all whats ur excuse for not payin now?? ck didnt rely on u for testing the firmware. he had many other testers out there. ur usin excuse after excuse for y ur not payin but ur excuses have run out. u sold miners u didnt pay for...explain y u havent paid again.....

then u take the money from sellin miners u didnt pay for to buy antminers that u claim r total shit. if halong miners were so great and efficient y the hell would u get rid of them phil?? everytime u reply on here u dig urself into an even deeper hole. idk y grown ass men have to lie about stuff like u have been. im not sure y ur rep would be worth a few free miners either. im just glad i can point out ur shadiness because i doubt others have taken the time to read through the many posts in the dragonmint threads.

also just wondering....but has ne one ever thought about the possibility that halong is really inno?? i mean is it that hard to branch off into a dummy company to try to push shitty hardware onto people without messing up the inno name ne more than they already have?? a throw away company that no one knows ne thing about does make sense. its also known that these miners are all from inno so if inno is doin the work of designin the miners and makin everything y would they stop at the last part and let someone else sell them...unless they r halong.

idc either way it was just an idea.

[sarcheer]

Whats interesting is that, as I understand it, CK wrote the firmware/software for the T1 but not the T2.

If they're the same company, why not have CK do both?

[NotFuzzyWarm]

-ck was contracted by MyRig - not Halong or Inno - to fix the software/driver that Halong wrote for the T1. So talk to Halong/Inno as to why they could not get it right and why a 3rd party (MyRig) funded him to clean up their mess. Good luck getting any response from Halong or Inno

[sarcheer]

Ahh, gotcha. Missed that part. Innosilicon should definitely hire -ck, the software for the T1 is great (in my usage), especially compared to the software on the Inno A4+.

[Benefit14snake]

Anyone else have these? I’m considering them but not sure if I should wait for GMO or Bitmain - with the price at $1080 they seem competitive and not much worse than GMO. Bitmain is of course silent so far but I can’t see their newest miner being much better than GMO on 7nm right?

This will be a large purchase for me so I want to make sure I buy the right ones.

[philipma1957]

Anyone else have these? I’m considering them but not sure if I should wait for GMO or Bitmain - with the price at $1080 they seem competitive and not much worse than GMO. Bitmain is of course silent so far but I can’t see their newest miner being much better than GMO on 7nm right?

This will be a large purchase for me so I want to make sure I buy the right ones.

What is your power cost?

If you are low cost power these could be okay.

My t1s are having some issues.

I have 5 which is 5x3= 15 boards.

At this point 2 boards are down.

I have run the gear for 3 months.

Room is hot but has good air flow.

Right now s9i with a coupon is pretty low cost.

I ordered a third one today.

I spent 590 usd for it including shipping.

I have psus.  So 590 for 13500gh vs 1100 for 17000 gh.

This makes s9i pretty good. If you have cheap power.

[Benefit14snake]

It will mid 5s in summer and like 6.3c in winter.

That reliability is very worrying and I haven’t heard great things about getting them repaired either.