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February 26, 2014, 03:47:52 PM
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about VBE7

Some postings about this:
#7
#36
#37
#45
#67
#127


Quote from: some personal message

Do I only make changes to the performance tab?



It's mainly about the voltage in #0 (sometimes there is also a #6), I changed
mine to 850 mV, and since then, I have the full range of voltage available in cgminer.

#0 appears in several of the tabs, but is identical (change one, and have a look in the other tab)


BUT:
That voltage of #0 is relevant for several modes, so if with a strongly
undervolted BIOS you start cgminer without setting any clockspeed
(or start anything else that pushes the GPU, e.g. a game, or a renderer)
it will crash, because that voltage is not enough for the clockspeed it chooses.

So I have now simply set all clockspeeds to 404/555.
It works perfectly for me, but I am using that machine for nothing else but cg/sgminer.

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February 27, 2014, 02:13:48 PM
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I had a play around with it last night and tried flashing various bios settings. The same problem occured where by after 2/5/10 mins the card throttled and went straight into 300/150 throttle mode and won't come out until after restarting cgminer.

I think it's time to put it on eBay lol
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February 28, 2014, 05:38:48 PM
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how much is the consumption at 1v vcore?
it really depends on the clockspeed.

Have a look at postings #37 and #101

i flashed it at 1v

For higher clockspeeds that's not enough to have a stable system, but you can always put it higher from within cgminer.

If you are planning to run in "COOL settings "(C)" then 1.0 V is for sure enough to have a stable system, and still save some energy.



i can run it at 780 kh/s with vcore at 1

clock 1125
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March 01, 2014, 11:10:13 AM
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i can run it at 780 kh/s with vcore at 1
clock 1125
That's a lot.  Stable 24 hours?

What is the reading of the wattmeter?


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March 01, 2014, 12:37:07 PM
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i can run it at 780 kh/s with vcore at 1
clock 1125
That's a lot.  Stable 24 hours?

What is the reading of the wattmeter?



yeah it's stable, i don't have for now a wattmeter, that's why i asked in the last post

proof

https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi59.tinypic.com%2F5ul2j4.png&t=537&c=zeGJYJEKZviOZg

gpu 1 in cgminer is an old 7950, the number are switched between cgminer and hw64, so the gpu 0 is actually gpu 1 in hw64
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March 01, 2014, 12:51:07 PM
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i can run it at 780 kh/s with vcore at 1
clock 1125
That's a lot.  Stable 24 hours?

What is the reading of the wattmeter?



yeah it's stable, i don't have for now a wattmeter, that's why i asked in the last post

proof

https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi59.tinypic.com%2F5ul2j4.png&t=537&c=zeGJYJEKZviOZg

gpu 1 in cgminer is an old 7950, the number are switched between cgminer and hw64, so the gpu 0 is actually gpu 1 in hw64

That was running for 3 mins Tongue
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Last edit: March 01, 2014, 02:20:45 PM by Amph
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was just a screen, it's stable trust me, and unfortunetly i don't mine the same coin for too long...

but if you don't believe me i can do another test, but not for 24 hours i mine only for 15, i think they are enough for a test

anyway it crash if i open some heavy graphic google tabs

here one hour

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Last edit: March 02, 2014, 04:29:58 AM by virtualreality69
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Drakoin,
Thank you very much for your continued work!! You're a great value to this community :-)  If/when I get my new XFX 280x's up and running at 700kh/s I'll throw you a few hashing hours :-)

Now on to my situation. I just bought a pair of XFX DD R9 280x's (non black edition) . Sadly it looks like they're not going to push over 550-575 kh/s out of the box without modification. I've tried every 280x config I've found on bitcointalk with no luck.  I've also tried to adjust the voltage in cgminer and cgwatcher with no luck (fixed at 1.200).

I'm running Catalyst 13.12, and haven't touched the bios or voltage at all. I read most of TheSilts epic post at http://www.overclock.net/t/1432035/official-amd-r9-280x-280-270x-270-owners-club/2050, but I'm hesitant to flash my bios (possibly to a non-xfx modified bios) if there's a chance to brick it.

What's the safest place to start on my quest to ~700kh/s ? Sapphire TRIXX? Afterburner? VBE7? Is there a "safest" way to flash my bios?  Are there other XFX 280x (non black edition) bios out there that helped people in my situation?  I've read lots of posts about people adjusting voltages and flashing 280x bios to get 700kh/s, but I haven't read one yet that confirms it for a DD XFX 280x.

At this moment I'm slowly crawling through the http://www.overclock.net/t/1432035/official-amd-r9-280x-280-270x-270-owners-club/2050 thread in hopes of finding some help.

My card may be getting throttled. It never heats up above 75C to 76C, but the hash rate will jump/drop as much as 30 to 40 kh/s every few seconds.  


Any info or links would be much appreciated.  
Cheers,
- VR69


UPDATE: I realize this is a 7970 undervolting thread, but I posted here because of relevance and previous posts/replies.

System specs:
Amd 8320, 8 gigs ram, win 7 64bit, ssd boot drive, 750w 80+ gold rated psu, running cgminer 3.6.6

One of the only XFX (black edition) bios posting Ive found:
https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=9482.0


Update 2:
I ended up finding a reply ( reply #134 see below) where The Silts modded a bios for XFX 280x (non black edition), but all his dropbox links lead to a "deleted or moved" error page.  Was anyone able to save or archive the bios that he created for the community?

VBE7 shows:
Bios version 015.041 
VRM: CHL822x
Mem type: Hynix H5GQ2H24AFR AND ELPIDA EDW2032BBBG


]Re: Poor hash rate on Radeon 7900 / 280X series cards? Here is the fix
« Reply #134 on: January 08, 2014, 09:56:35 PM »
Quote from: madnod on January 08, 2014, 03:56:02 PM
hi, i have 2 models that are known to suck for mining, vapor X 7970 GHZ 3 GB with Hynix AFR, and XFX DD R9 280X 3 GB with elpida.  would u please assist?

below is the bios link:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/soq7nmzd59cr3rq/bioses.zip

Both optimised.
Sapphire should see a hefty boost as it was completely messed up to begin with.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/iz27w4h0l179v2h/Sapphire_E21000-X0B_AGR.zip
https://www.dropbox.com/s/g97lejzwo2f3fcy/XFX_797A_3DF_GD5_AGR.zip






about VBE7

Some postings about this:
#7
#36
#37
#45
#67
#127

Quote from: some personal message
Do I only make changes to the performance tab?

It's mainly about the voltage in #0 (sometimes there is also a #6), I changed
mine to 850 mV, and since then, I have the full range of voltage available in cgminer.

#0 appears in several of the tabs, but is identical (change one, and have a look in the other tab)

BUT: That voltage of #0 is relevant for several modes, so if with a strongly
undervolted BIOS you start cgminer without setting any clockspeed
(or start anything else that pushes the GPU, e.g. a game, or a renderer)
it will crash, because that voltage is not enough for the clockspeed it chooses.

So I have now simply set all clockspeeds to 404/555.
It works perfectly for me, but I am using that machine for nothing else but cg/sgminer.

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March 04, 2014, 04:10:15 AM
Last edit: March 04, 2014, 05:08:52 AM by drakoin
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Drakoin, Thank you very much for your continued work!! You're a great value to this community :-)
Thank you very much. It feels so nice to read this. Today I realized that I had passed 500 postings, whew.

And thanks for your loooooong posting. I recognize myself in you :-)

Let me see how I can help you.

Now on to my situation. I just bought a pair of XFX DD R9 280x's (non black edition) .
And I might be of so little help in that topic - because I only own 7xxx cards?  Someone else, please?  And/But:

Firstly, I guess, this whole thread here contains most the principles you need to understand, and can apply to the 280x, and secondly, you have already started to follow TheStilt. Check out his latest postings.

Thirdly, I was in the same situation as you. And then (after even reading less than you have already read, judging by your long study list  Wink)  I took all of my courage ... and flashed my card.  I had a high heart beat but never had any problems. I read somewhere, if you brick the card, you can flash it back to the old BIOS, as long as you get a picture with another card. So extra careful have to be only the people who only own one graphics card.

> I've tried every 280x config I've found on bitcointalk with no luck.
And I guess, you also got creative, and tried out your own CC/MC combinations? I got mine up to over 600 without BIOS tweaking / undervolting. See one of my very first postings here in this thread.


> I've also tried to adjust the voltage in cgminer and cgwatcher with no luck (fixed at 1.200).
Yep.

Modify your BIOS.

In almost all cases that I know of now, that helped.  Suddenly you can undervolt all the way down to 850 mV. Which as it leads to crashing, is not your target - but it's good to be able to go the full range, for testing.


>  haven't touched the bios or voltage at all.
I fear to tell you ... you will have to :-)


> hesitant to flash my bios (possibly to a non-xfx modified bios) if there's a chance to brick it.
Come one, you even have SEVERAL cards, right?  Grin


> What's the safest place to start on my quest to ~700kh/s ?
to 720, I only got with TheStilt BIOS, and modified CL files.

But after a few days of being proud (and sweaty) with such hashrates, I went down to economy mode again.

I hate the heat, the noise, the wasting.  I am not promoting maxed out hashrates.
What all this here is about, is getting out as much kHash/s out of as little electricity as possible.
See the next posting.


> Sapphire TRIXX?
> Afterburner?
I don't think they can undervolt if your BIOS is locked within a narrow voltage window, or on a single voltage.


> VBE7?
yes.


> Is there a "safest" way to flash my bios?  
yes:
* Not with atiwinflash, but with atiflash. Making that USB stick, and booting into w98 DOS is not as difficult as I thought before.
* Read before until you know what you are doing.
* Flash only one card, try it out for a while.
* Stick to your own BIOS, just tweak some values. Don't go for BIOS of other vendors!
* Make two copies of your original BIOS, on two different harddisks, if you ever want/need to go back.
* If your BIOS is not yet there, you could also upload your original BIOS into the database at http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/ then you have a copy there, too.
* Your two cards might differ in their BIOS!  Use "GPU-Z" to find out.

Anyone else got ideas to add to this?


Are there other XFX 280x (non black edition) bios out there that helped people in my situation?  I've read lots of posts about people adjusting voltages and flashing 280x bios to get 700kh/s, but I haven't read one yet that confirms it for a DD XFX 280x.
If you really want to go high, it's also important to undervolt, otherwise the cards get too hot.
 

My card may be getting throttled. It never heats up above 75C to 76C, but the hash rate will jump/drop as much as 30 to 40 kh/s every few seconds.  
I have seen a similiar behaviour, when in the beginning I was wandering through the CC/MC plane for days. I always thought it means that the engine clock rate is too high for the memory clock rate, because when I lower the engine clock a few MHz, it calms down a lot.


I ended up finding a reply ( reply #134 see below) where The Silts modded a bios for XFX 280x (non black edition), but all his dropbox links lead to a "deleted or moved" error page.  Was anyone able to save or archive the bios that he created for the community?
Perhaps you can write to the owner ('madnod'?) of the card ... who uploaded the BIOS? He will have it, right?

As far as I understood it, TheStilt wants to re-upload and re-index all the BIOS, but it might take a while.

Mem type: Hynix H5GQ2H24AFR AND ELPIDA EDW2032BBBG
Means that BIOS supports Hynix and Elpida. There is a tool which reads out which memory your card actually has.



At this moment I'm slowly crawling through the http://www.overclock.net/t/1432035/official-amd-r9-280x-280-270x-270-owners-club/2050 thread in hopes of finding some help.
Whatever you find, please compile, report it back. ...

Hey, what about this idea: You seem to be a reading and writing guy, who has a lot of persistance, and understand technology.  So: Just start your own thread, modelled after this one, but about your quest to optimize your  XFX DD R9 280x cards. I'd be happy to help, and read, and contribute.




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March 04, 2014, 04:59:32 AM
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i can run it at 780 kh/s with vcore at 1
clock 1125
That's a lot.  Stable 24 hours?
What is the reading of the wattmeter?
yeah it's stable, i don't have for now a wattmeter, that's why i asked in the last post
proof
https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi59.tinypic.com%2F5ul2j4.png&t=537&c=zeGJYJEKZviOZg
gpu 1 in cgminer is an old 7950, the number are switched between cgminer and hw64, so the gpu 0 is actually gpu 1 in hw64
I believe you.

I tried your settings.

I cannot get my card to 1125 core clock, it crashed above CC=1115, but that is quite similiar I guess. (I used a voltage of 1.09V, because I know my card needs a voltage of 1.06V already for CC=1037 to not crash).

All the hashrates I saw were under 600. But I didn't try long enough, and I believe that some cards can be optimized to produce that much kh/s.  I just wanted to see the consumption.

One thing is for sure: You will be using incredible amounts of electricity.  Get a Wattmeter, they are cheap!

At CC=1115, MC=1750, V=1.09 I measure a WattDelta of 267W (between enable & disable that GPU).
At CC=854,   MC=799, V=0.912  I measure a WattDelta of 153W, my superdooper "cool" settings. 590kH/s.

The highest I have ever seen with my card was 720kH/s.
Are these 130kH/s more hashrate really worth 114W more electricity?  For me not.

By now, I quite hate the heat, the noise, the wear and tear of the hardware, and the unneccessary wasting of energy.


An analogy to maxing out the kH/s of your GPU: Efficient car driving

Imagine you have a car that is built to do 140 kilometres per hour.
And you constantly push it to 149 kilometres per hour, instead of the most efficient let's say 115 km/h.

Where will you notice the effects?  
Yes, you will be at the destination a little bit earlier.

But with louder noise, inside and outside your car.
Probably a bit more stressed, too.

You might visit the mechanic earlier, or more often, and most of all:
You need more stops at the petrol station, for the same distance.

Your choice :-)

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March 06, 2014, 08:07:59 AM
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Thank you Drankoin, you help me very much... i promise donate you doges when finish your method... now i am learning about bios flash and make a usb boot Ms-dos...etc etc... but only with your cgminer.conf... now i have 650 khs aprox stables and only 74c... one day ago i was crazy with cgminer because i  only got 400k and 80c... but now ( if not consider bills) all is running ok. My rig are a 3 "cheap and fresh" shappire 7970... but one is on RMA  Roll Eyes ( RMA can confirme that it is imposible put 3 in motheboard without riser, bruteforce power  Grin Grin Grin Grin lol )In the next days post more info... sorry for my english..,
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March 06, 2014, 08:57:50 AM
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Drankoin you might be interested in the nvidia GTX 750 Ti - people are reporting 250khash from only 28W and 300khash from 38W
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I wonder if this will work as well on other cards? I have 280x VaporX and 2x VTI 6950's
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March 09, 2014, 05:09:26 AM
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how long did it take for your flashing process below to complete?

SUCCESS!
Even a cheap XFX 7970 can be pushed to performance, and without burning it on 90C temperature!
This is not khash-optimization, but khash/Watt - optimization. So below 700khash/s, I am already very happy.


With VBE7 ... I changed only "State 0 - Boot":
Original: #0          CC 925     MC 1375     VDDC 1175    
MyChange: #0CC 750MC 1050VDDC 1025

Flashing the BIOS (with atiwinflash) took much more than 1 minute, and the progress bar got stuck at 20% and didn't move for ages - it was terrifying! Finally, it said: Successful; then reboot, no driver update necessary! New cgminer measurements (measured Watt are differences enable/disable, on top of small power for idle card):

The improvement is amazing:
Before:     1.175V     CC  907     MC 1450     72C     fan 75%     267W     619khash/s    
1stOptim:1.025VCC 1000MC 158572Cfan 59%222W691khash/s

So on the same temperature, with less fan speed, I get 12% more khash/s for 17% less electricity.
khash/Watt went up from 2.32 to 3.11 - that's like getting 4 cards coins value out of 3 cards power costs.

YIEHAH!

Now I let it run for a night, to see how stable it is.

This is the way:
0) Reboot, clean system, e.g. no cgminer started.
1) With CPU-Z read out the original ROM, make several copies.
2) With VBE7 change voltage & clockspeeds, save to new filename.
3) With ATIwinflash program the modified ROM, shiver for more than a minute. Reboot.
4) Tweak, fiddle, optimize. A Watt-meter costs 9 euros.

Disclaimer: At your own risk. Inform yourself well.
I spent 2 days of research before I dared to do this. But:

YIPPIEH, I DID IT.
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March 13, 2014, 04:52:58 PM
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Thank you Drakoin, you help me very much...
De nada. Good luck, happy to read that all this is useful for you.

nvidia GTX 750 Ti - people are reporting 250khash from only 28W and 300khash from 38W
Wow, that would be 8-9 khash/Watt, so 2-3 times better than ATI. Almost as little as the GRID asics.
And the card costs less than 200 dollars? I have no experience with Nvidia cards,  and the 750 Ti is not yet in the hardware comparison list. Does anyone actually know about such a list with also all the Watt consumption values? 

Please post more such information. Thx.

I wonder if this will work as well on other cards? I have 280x VaporX and 2x VTI 6950's
Every now and then someone asks about 280x, and then they disappear forever. Just put 280x into the search box on the top right of this page, then you search within this thread.

how long did it take for your flashing process below to complete?
About 3 seconds.

Or forever, with atiwinflash :-)


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nvidia GTX 750 Ti - people are reporting 250khash from only 28W and 300khash from 38W
Wow, that would be 8-9 khash/Watt, so 2-3 times better than ATI. Almost as little as the GRID asics.
And the card costs less than 200 dollars? I have no experience with Nvidia cards,  and the 750 Ti is not yet in the hardware comparison list. Does anyone actually know about such a list with also all the Watt consumption values? 

Please post more such information. Thx.


I just ordered 2 of those GTX 750 Ti's. Will get them next week. If anyone wants to play with them on teamviewer: let me know! Smiley

I did read that 265 khash on 28W was possible with CudaMiner. Can't wait to put 5 of those in my rig!  Grin

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nvidia GTX 750 Ti - people are reporting 250khash from only 28W and 300khash from 38W
Wow, that would be 8-9 khash/Watt, so 2-3 times better than ATI. Almost as little as the GRID asics.
And the card costs less than 200 dollars? I have no experience with Nvidia cards,  and the 750 Ti is not yet in the hardware comparison list. Does anyone actually know about such a list with also all the Watt consumption values? 
Please post more such information. Thx.
I just ordered 2 of those GTX 750 Ti's. Will get them next week. If anyone wants to play with them on teamviewer: let me know! Smiley
I did read that 265 khash on 28W was possible with CudaMiner. Can't wait to put 5 of those in my rig!  Grin
Cool. Looking forward to seeing your results! 
Do you own a wattmeter? If not, get one now, they are cheap.
I don't trust the internal power sensors, please measure the Watt differences on the wall plug (between: no card, card disabled, card full power)

thx

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March 15, 2014, 06:59:25 PM
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Hey fellow miners. Ive got a question about one of my rigs.
Its a gigabyte 7970 and his r9 280x. both are undervolted drawing 575 from the wall on a gold psi unit. do you guys think there's more room for undervolting
and keeping roughly 700 kh/s?
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Hey fellow miners. Ive got a question about one of my rigs.
Its a gigabyte 7970 and his r9 280x. both are undervolted drawing 575 from the wall on a gold psi unit. do you guys think there's more room for undervolting
and keeping roughly 700 kh/s?




What settings did you use for this?

575w for both cards including the MOBO and peripherals?
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March 17, 2014, 07:00:32 PM
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Hey fellow miners. Ive got a question about one of my rigs.
Its a gigabyte 7970 and his r9 280x. both are undervolted drawing 575 from the wall on a gold psi unit. do you guys think there's more room for undervolting
and keeping roughly 700 kh/s?
Your temperatures are high.

Thanks for your posting, it allows an interesting comparison, because our khash are almost the same:

I run two 7970 (that's like your two cards)
and one 7850.

But in much lower clockspeeds, voltage and thus lower temperature. See posting #37 of this thread.

I get about 1513 khash, so about 4% more than you.
BUT I use only 516 Watts incl. everything, you use 11% more electricity than me.

However, of course, I had to invest 87 Euros more into my 2nd hand 7850.
Depending on the electricity prices sooner or later - but one day I will be better off :-)
 

> do you guys think there's more room for undervolting
> and keeping roughly 700 kh/s?

Just try it. Lower the voltage, until your system crashes,
then go up until you get a stable system.


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