Has Bruce talked at all about the accusations of fraud against him?

[MollyR]

nt

[MollyR]

I dont think it matters who levels the accusation, dont shoot the messenger etc..

Regardless of what you think of that forum, if you read the thread, they have uncovered some extremely worrysome things about Bruce's past, which I think we all should get clarified before deciding to do business with him.  Or letting him become our freaking spokesperson!

[shad0wbitz]

I dont think it matters who levels the accusation, dont shoot the messenger etc..


Regardless of what you think of that forum, if you read the thread, they have uncovered some extremely worrysome things about Bruce's past, which I think we all should get clarified before deciding to do business with him.  Or letting him become our freaking spokesperson!

I guess I have seen some things on that thread that are inconsequential (such as his homosexuality) and some things that are very alarming. It appears that he has been convicted of mortgage fraud in Illinoi, furthermore, what really concern me actually was his replies to some of the statements, like specifying he was just "replying" to the guy talking about having a sexual "three prong attack" with a minor.

What is worrisome about this is that no decent person (IMHO) will be reading a forum like that, nor taking the time to reply on how to properly tip these underage prostitutes.

Then he goes on to say that the situation in there is "very sad". If this is the case, why do we, as a community, want to stimulate their economy by bringing a convention to such a horrid place that clearly condones underage prostitution and human trafficking amongst other things?

Finally, there is a twitter of him describing Pattaya as "Paradise on earth", but now he claims the situation is really sad in there? I wouldn't want to vacation in a place with such a display of human misery and exploitation. What is so paradisaical about that?

He also claimed on ones of his replies that he ultimately "doesn't care" where the conference gets organized, however, from ALL the places in the world, why pick this one? And how does that last statement conjures up with saying "It is like paradise on earth".

This, coupled with the fact that I believe the NY conference was purposefully and deceitfully sold to sponsors (did you guys saw CNN in there? or all those media outlets they were supposed to be there) makes me believe the following:

1. Bruce Wagner, at its best, is a is a convicted scammer. Not only a scammer, but scamming poor families trying to get help to not loose their homes. At its worst, he is a child molester who solicits and pays for underage boys to satisfied his wicked pleasures contributing to perpetuate one of the most perverse places in the world.
2. As for whether he is a pedophile or not, some scream "Show me concrete proof". This is a fallacy. Not even a court of law needs irrefutable proof to convict somebody, they only need for the jury to be convinced "beyond reasonable doubt" of a certain fact.
3. In revising the material posted online about Bruce's twitters, his participation in that despicable forum (admitted by himself), his contradictory statements regarding Pattaya, and several other comments, I can conclude, WAY BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT that the man is a degenerate, a pedophile, and a promoter and user of underage prostitution.

I would like to close by saying that this is not about homosexuals, at all. This is about adults, paying for underage sex with child slaves, because at the end of the day, that's what they are regarding of sex, or sexual orientation. I am in fact a volunteer for GLAAD, and as a worker for gay rights, people like Wagner simply makes me want to cry.


TO MTGOX ET AL

I will respectfully ask all companies doing business with him to withdraw their sponsorship and support. Even if the guy is NOT a pedophile and a scammer, you really want to have your name associated with somebody advising on forums how to properly tip an underage prostitute? HE HAS ADMITTED THAT WAS HIS POST. Any company supporting this, it is at the very least supporting a very questionable person.

Shad0wBitz

[dayfall]

I think the messenger should be shot.  That being said, wild monkeys throw poo the best.

Is Bruce talking to anyone, anywhere?

[shad0wbitz]

I think the messenger should be shot.  That being said, wild monkeys throw poo the best.

Is Bruce talking to anyone, anywhere?

Hello,

I am unsure if the monkey reference is directed towards me, but note I don't know the messenger, nor I know who the messenger is, other than have heard they might be involved with the mybitcoin scam. I will get myself more informed on that matter and then post my impression regarding that subject, but for now, I am simply pointing out material that is out there on the internet (some of it official, such as his conviction by the state of Illinois). I am not even talking about the message per se.

[MollyR]

Dayfall, can you explain to us why the messenger should be shot?  Should whistle blowers be shot? Should police informants be shot?

It appears you think all of these accusations are 100% unfounded, is that so?  Can you tell us why you have come to this conclusion despite the mounting evidence?

I understand unfounded accusations can be ruinous, however, after reading the something awful thread, how can you believe Bruce is NOT a serial scammer and quite possibly something far worse?

[JonHind]

I've been following the recent stuff about Bruce, and I'm sorry, but you cannot ignore the evidence that can be directly linked back to Bruce.

[Edit] Stuff removed from the post. I might have got users mixed up

[bbit]

I've been following the recent stuff about Bruce, and I'm sorry, but you cannot ignore the evidence that can be directly linked back to Bruce.

[Edit] Stuff removed from the post. I might have got users mixed up

I bet most of the people who think Bruce is Guilty are SA members ...I asked for raise of hands earlier and about the whole thread was all paid SA hitmen ...goal to destroy individuals and this forum.

[MollyR]

Bbit, do you honestly think people are paid to come here and discredit others?  Trying to have a decent discussion here about an important matter and we could do without your trolling.

[JonHind]

I bet most of the people who think Bruce is Guilty are SA members ...I asked for raise of hands earlier and about the whole thread was all paid SA hitmen ...goal to destroy individuals and this forum.

I think Bruce is guilty. The courts have ruled that he has been guilty of fraud, prostitution, speeding etc. The evidence is there for all to see.

I'm not from SomethingAwful, but I know enough about SA to point out that you calling them 'paid SA hitmen' is ludicrous. Somethingawful is a large and well known community that has been around for 11 years.

So, my question to you is what have you got to lose by Bruce being exposed for the scammer and fraudster that he is? Are you complicit in his crimes?

I'm off to register an account at SomethingAwful, and hopefully I can earn some money being a paid 'hitman' lol. I wonder if they pay their bounties in BTC.

[greyhawk]

I bet most of the people who think Bruce is Guilty are SA members ...I asked for raise of hands earlier and about the whole thread was all paid SA hitmen ...goal to destroy individuals and this forum.

[...]

So, my question to you is what have you got to lose by Bruce being exposed for the scammer and fraudster that he is? Are you complicit in his crimes?

You know, this is actually an excellent question and.... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=20325.msg254396#msg254396

[JonHind]

I bet most of the people who think Bruce is Guilty are SA members ...I asked for raise of hands earlier and about the whole thread was all paid SA hitmen ...goal to destroy individuals and this forum.

[...]

So, my question to you is what have you got to lose by Bruce being exposed for the scammer and fraudster that he is? Are you complicit in his crimes?

You know, this is actually an excellent question and.... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=20325.msg254396#msg254396

Oh wow, good find. This is a quote of the post in question:

   
I'm "bbit", Hear my roar!
June 21, 2011, 01:51:52 am
   
 #1
...... no, honestly you can ......  Grin

http://onlyonetv.com/?page_id=178      look for me , show starts in 10!


Bbit!

So thank you for answering my question. So bbit, are you Ed or Manny?

[MollyR]

Wow, makes sense now doesnt it.  Bbit, how much are you being paid to steer suspicion away from Bruce?

[JonHind]

I'm still jail-locked in this subforum. Could someone please post the bbit/onlyonetv connection in some of the other threads where he is defending Bruce?

Someone on SomethingAwful has screencapped the post in question:



I'm seriously going to be signing up to SA. It looks like an amazing place.

[DrZaius]

I thought a lot of the child sex allegations were pretty out of line, tenuous at best, but for the most part completely unfounded. I created this account to throw in my 2c in defense before I realized I wouldn't be able to post outside of this forum.

Then I read his statements on the issue. Still continuing to deny Pattaya's massive problem with child prostitution. Trying to characterize New York City as being more lenient on child sex, and even the failure to acknowledge that prostitution is illegal. Flat-out lying and saying that the 'three-pronged attack' words were not his. Talking about "38 year olds" being called 'boy' and being "older than he is", when he's 50 years old himself and writing in a thread about virgins and newbies.

No, these in no way prove or hint anything to discredit his claims that he is not a pedophile. I will not state or even imply that he has any desire for underage men. But they reflect a kind of dishonesty and spin that I don't feel comfortable with. What would be wrong with making a statement like "Child sex is a problem in Pattaya, but I have never done such a thing"? Not to mention continuing to claim Pattaya was chosen first for its suitability for a Bitcoin Expo first, rather than recreation.

Then the fraud stuff came up. Bruce Wagner of OnlyOneTV is, without a doubt, undeniably, the Bruce Wagner of Bold Funding, the company that scammed and defrauded many families out of their homes and stole at least $125,000.

This is not a man that should be the face of Bitcoin. And it makes me very suspicious about his unwavering support of mybitcoin, something that was discussed and deemed suspicious by certain posters several months ago.

[bbit]

Bbit, do you honestly think people are paid to come here and discredit others?  Trying to have a decent discussion here about an important matter and we could do without your trolling.

Molly, don't you find it ironic that is SA's whole goal as  group so don't lecture me about trolling - troll.

[bbit]

ok.

[JonHind]

Oooooohhhhh the SA guys ( yes , your obviously SA member your turd ) have some come up with some stupid correlation once again!  WOW, you retards for real?


If SA was so tough why don't you guys post all your information about who you are so we can start passing out civil court notices for defamation/libel    be transparent and back up what your saying about members of this forum in court not on this board?

I am a member now, yes. I've just registered an account.

As for stupid correlations, I'm sorry, but you are deluded and very wrong. If you actually check the SA thread, you will find some water-tight correlations based on facts and evidence - either from Bruce, or the people he scammed, or from court records.

And defamation/libel is only defamation/libel if it is untrue. I registered using my real name and real email address by the way. I'm a 41 year old IT specialist btw. I notice that you are hiding behind anonymity.

I also notice that you didn't answer my question bbit. The lack of answers speaks volumes imho.

Do I need to watch the Bitcoin Show episode in question to find out who you are?

[MollyR]

Have you ever even been to the SA forums?  Have you even looked at the bitcoin thread there?  I doubt it the way you speak of it.

You can call me whatever you like Bbit, Ill let my posts speak for themselves, but you did not answer the question, do you honestly think people from SA are PAID by some entity to come here and discredit bitcoin users?

[bbit]

Oooooohhhhh the SA guys ( yes , your obviously SA member your turd ) have some come up with some stupid correlation once again!  WOW, you retards for real?


If SA was so tough why don't you guys post all your information about who you are so we can start passing out civil court notices for defamation/libel    be transparent and back up what your saying about members of this forum in court not on this board?

I am a member now, yes. I've just registered an account.

As for stupid correlations, I'm sorry, but you are deluded and very wrong. If you actually check the SA thread, you will find some water-tight correlations based on facts and evidence - either from Bruce, or the people he scammed, or from court records.

And defamation/libel is only defamation/libel if it is untrue. I registered using my real name and real email address by the way. I'm a 41 year old IT specialist.

I notice that you didn't answer my question bbit. The lack of answers speaks volumes imho.

Do I need to watch the Bitcoin Show episode in question to find out who you are?

What do you want to know ? I'm transparent you aren't   your a plant from SA to spew hate about bitcoin and other members ... the board isn't a place to decide that the courts are your ilk need to stfu and get off this board ...you provide no value  at all  nobody can tell me what value you bring?