Has Bruce talked at all about the accusations of fraud against him?

[bbit]

I know, I know.

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[bbit]

Yes Bruce Wagner has responded multiple times. Here and in IRC. He has responded with dodges, lies, and half-apologies. The mortgage fraud was just mismanagement and he's really sorry for it, he never said he called the fbi just that he talked to them, etc,etc etc.

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Really, I honestly wish the Thailand/child prostitute stuff never got brought into the whole mess, because while it is certainly alarming, it is mostly completely circumstantial and somewhat ambiguous evidence and makes the whole thing look like a bad talk show episode. (Yes, I realize it is alarming and Bruce somewhat brought in on himself by his freakishly vociferous defending of Pattaya as the next location for a bitcoin conference. Why? I have no idea.)

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Mostly it is clear that he is a dodgy guy with a dodgy past that quite possibly screwed a lot of people out of money. This plus the fact that he was not only the biggest promoter of mybitcoin but supposedly lost 25k coins to them AND was supposedly paid back but refuses to provide any confirmation of that transaction makes me a lot more worried that he is currently scamming lots of people out of their money.

I have no idea why anyone in the bitcoin community would continue to defend him at this point. This project went from interesting open source project to some sort of shrill tribalism and cultishness in just a few months. Quite breathtaking actually. One minute bitcoin was a prototype, the next minute it was being sold as the One True Currency. One minute the forums were a useful place to talk about bitcoin, the next minute they were Our Home and Under Attack.

There are other places where interesting talk is happening around complementary currencies and both the advantages and limitations of the current blockchain technologies. But that place isn'[t here.

I applaud the developers for remaining largely clear of the fray and still focusing on the big picture of what is important about bitcoin.

Why do you hate bitcoin?  You are obviously a troll who seeks to destroy it by simply accepting what has been planted. 

Gerken your a troll aren't you ?

[bitcoindomains]

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[mikegogulski]

@ mikegogulski

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[bitconformist]

Yes Bruce Wagner has responded multiple times. Here and in IRC. He has responded with dodges, lies, and half-apologies. The mortgage fraud was just mismanagement and he's really sorry for it, he never said he called the fbi just that he talked to them, etc,etc etc.

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Really, I honestly wish the Thailand/child prostitute stuff never got brought into the whole mess, because while it is certainly alarming, it is mostly completely circumstantial and somewhat ambiguous evidence and makes the whole thing look like a bad talk show episode. (Yes, I realize it is alarming and Bruce somewhat brought in on himself by his freakishly vociferous defending of Pattaya as the next location for a bitcoin conference. Why? I have no idea.)

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Mostly it is clear that he is a dodgy guy with a dodgy past that quite possibly screwed a lot of people out of money. This plus the fact that he was not only the biggest promoter of mybitcoin but supposedly lost 25k coins to them AND was supposedly paid back but refuses to provide any confirmation of that transaction makes me a lot more worried that he is currently scamming lots of people out of their money.

I have no idea why anyone in the bitcoin community would continue to defend him at this point. This project went from interesting open source project to some sort of shrill tribalism and cultishness in just a few months. Quite breathtaking actually. One minute bitcoin was a prototype, the next minute it was being sold as the One True Currency. One minute the forums were a useful place to talk about bitcoin, the next minute they were Our Home and Under Attack.

There are other places where interesting talk is happening around complementary currencies and both the advantages and limitations of the current blockchain technologies. But that place isn'[t here.

I applaud the developers for remaining largely clear of the fray and still focusing on the big picture of what is important about bitcoin.

Why do you hate bitcoin?  You are obviously a troll who seeks to destroy it by simply accepting what has been planted. 

Gerken your a troll aren't you ?

Is there anyone on this board that you don't think is a troll? You seem rather paranoid.

[indio007]

And defamation/libel is only defamation/libel if it is untrue.

wrong. libel has nothing to do with truth. This is covered in other threads. Libel is about malicious intent to bring shame and disrepute to the target.

At least one SA members have already admitted they where doing this out of revenge.

[bitrebel]

Bbit, do you honestly think people are paid to come here and discredit others?  Trying to have a decent discussion here about an important matter and we could do without your trolling.

He's actually correct, MollyR who only has 16 posts. Sit back down little girl, and let the man speak.

[bitconformist]

Bbit, do you honestly think people are paid to come here and discredit others?  Trying to have a decent discussion here about an important matter and we could do without your trolling.

He's actually correct, MollyR who only has 16 posts. Sit back down little girl, and let the man speak.

Your misogyny is strangely compelling. Please do go on.

[BitcoinPorn]

I applaud the developers for remaining largely clear of the fray and still focusing on the big picture of what is important about bitcoin.

I wonder how long it can last, the technology vs the soap operas.

[castlegoat]

Bbit, do you honestly think people are paid to come here and discredit others?  Trying to have a decent discussion here about an important matter and we could do without your trolling.

He's actually correct, MollyR who only has 16 posts. Sit back down little girl, and let the man speak.

Yeah, try not to sound like a sexist piece of shit you ass.

[Gerken]

You're all obviously trolls :sticks fingers in ears: Lalalala

[BitcoinPorn]

Yeah, try not to sound like a sexist piece of shit you ass.

Only on The Official Unofficial Bitcoin Forums, do people call out people for being "sexist" the second the acknowledge someone's sex. 

I have to break this down to make sure I am confused.

" Sit back down little girl, and let the man speak. "

I have read and read this again and again, you can replace the word "girl" with ANYTHING, and it doesn't change the meaning of what is being said, if anything, it may possibly make what is said more insulting if the term "little girl" wasn't used, but instead an actual derogatory term.

Or maybe that is it, you find that being a little girl is derogatory?  Thus that is the insult itself?   castlegoat, are you a sexist?

[PinkiePie]

Only on The Official Unofficial Bitcoin Forums, do people call out people for being "sexist" the second the acknowledge someone's sex. 

I have to break this down to make sure I am confused.

" Sit back down little girl, and let the man speak. "

I have read and read this again and again, you can replace the word "girl" with ANYTHING, and it doesn't change the meaning of what is being said, if anything, it may possibly make what is said more insulting if the term "little girl" wasn't used, but instead an actual derogatory term.

Or maybe that is it, you find that being a little girl is derogatory?  Thus that is the insult itself?   castlegoat, are you a sexist?

Oh great, the guy trying to make money by exploiting women with porn has something to say about sexism.  Look, when you infantalize a woman by calling her a girl and tell her to shut up and listen to a man, you are being sexist.   I don't expect someone engaged in such a disgusting, unchristian industry to understand that though. 

[BitcoinPorn]

Oh great, the guy trying to make money by exploiting women with porn has something to say about sexism. 

Cock gets exploited too, grow up, porn is for everyone, don't continue on with the sexism please.

[Gerken]

Oh great, the guy trying to make money by exploiting women with porn has something to say about sexism. 

Cock gets exploited too, grow up, porn is for everyone, don't continue on with the sexism please.

They're right it is sexist, and redirecting instead of answering is a common tactic employed by the defensive, so i don't blame you on that one. 

[PinkiePie]

Oh great, the guy trying to make money by exploiting women with porn has something to say about sexism. 

Cock gets exploited too, grow up, porn is for everyone, don't continue on with the sexism please.

Porn is overwhelmingly consumed by men.  It often depicts degradation and shame of women and does not promote a healthy body image.   This pollutes the expectations men have in their relationships with the other sex.  I urge you to read this and this.

In addition, there is homosexual pornography out there that draws the unsuspecting into a lifestyle of sin, disease, and degradation.  I will pray for you.

[BitcoinPorn]

Porn is overwhelmingly consumed by men. 

Gotta stop your sexism right here.  It seems when you take information regarding a sex, race, or etc.  And you compile that information into data that you can make claims about, well people around these parts consider that sexist, no?

So your assumption that porn is "overwhelmingly" (what is "overwhelming" amount of porn anyways?) consumed by men is based on?

My personal experience has been very very mixed, while of course men are more vocal/proud (from my compiled information), the ladies are not only into watching porn, but more so than just 'with a guy'... they watch it on their own.  A lot.    On my Bitcoin Porn picture blog, exactly .3888(repeating) percent are female, so while I can pull a 60/40 and say men are the majority, the use of the word 'overwhelmingly' .. well.. it's just plain sexist.

But you are now derailing the thread, please answer the question without being sexist, why do you find that being a little girl is a derogatory thing?

[PinkiePie]

Porn is overwhelmingly consumed by men. 

A survey of college students in 2008 by psychologist Chiara Sabina of Penn State Harrisburg and her colleagues found that more than 90 percent of the men and 60 percent of the women had watched Internet pornography before age 18.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=sex-in-bits-and-bytes

Calling a little girl a little girl is not derogatory, calling an adult woman a little girl who should shut up because a man is talking is clearly sexist.  Since you are obviously just trolling at this point, I will stop replying and return to silently praying for your redemption.

[BitcoinPorn]

I just realized your name is "PinkiePie" 

But yeah, you are choosing to make the statement sexist.   Calling anyone who is not a little girl, a 'little girl' is an insult, you choose to take it past that point and make it about men and women.  I stand by the argument the less the person is a little girl, the more of an insult it is. So yes, calling a grown woman a 'little girl' is insulting, but not as bad as calling an old man a 'little girl' in that same derogatory way, not sure what hood you were brought up in.     The statement can be taken as sexist as long as the person you are calling a little girl, is not a little girl.

Case closed, argue otherwise, points are moot, when it comes down to it, only bitrebel can truly settle this, as only he knows his intent when he said the statement.   

[Gerken]

I just realized your name is "PinkiePie" 

But yeah, you are choosing to make the statement sexist.   Calling anyone who is not a little girl, a 'little girl' is an insult, you choose to take it past that point and make it about men and women.  I stand by the argument the less the person is a little girl, the more of an insult it is. So yes, calling a grown woman a 'little girl' is insulting, but not as bad as calling an old man a 'little girl' in that same derogatory way, not sure what hood you were brought up in.     The statement can be taken as sexist as long as the person you are calling a little girl, is not a little girl.

Case closed, argue otherwise, points are moot, when it comes down to it, only bitrebel can truly settle this, as only he knows his intent when he said the statement.   

Gave you not seen his other posts?  Everything he says is derogatory, ignorant, and/or just dumb.  You can give him the benefit of the doubt if it makes you feel like a better person though.