Bruce Wagner and the surrounding drama.

[Rassah]

Man, religion ruins libertarianism so badly   How can you be both for liberty, and for subjugating yourself to a monarch/dictator at the same time? Also, sincerely hope the camp you were sent to wasn't a "pray the gay away" therapy. Not sure what other re-education camps churches have.

As for abortion, the fetus never signed a contract on that lease, does not even have the intellectual capacity to sign a contract, and is thus tresspassing. Worse, it is stealing resources from the mother without giving anything in return, like a socialist welfare queen. If not aborted, at the very least it should be extracted, frozen/preserved, and wait until it can be tried in juvenile could for its crime.

[RandyFolds]

As for abortion, the fetus never signed a contract on that lease, does not even have the intellectual capacity to sign a contract, and is thus tresspassing. Worse, it is stealing resources from the mother without giving anything in return, like a socialist welfare queen. If not aborted, at the very least it should be extracted, frozen/preserved, and wait until it can be tried in juvenile could for its crime.

I hate you for being a secondlife-playing furry, but that shit is hilarious.

[NghtRppr]

It's not an invitation, an invitation can be rejected.  The fetus has no choice about the decision to move in and dies if it leaves.

That's irrelevant. Even if I carry you into my house while you're sleeping the same logic applies. The point is, you're in my house. Even if it's the case that if you leave you'll die, you have to leave.

However, it should be noted I did not bring the contract language into this.

A lease is a contract. You mentioned it being a lease. I didn't.

Anyway, I think we should probably call a truce on this one and maybe start a new thread if we want to debate this topic.

That's fine with me. Make a thread in the politics/society section and I'll gladly debate the issue there.

[Rassah]

As for abortion, the fetus never signed a contract on that lease, does not even have the intellectual capacity to sign a contract, and is thus tresspassing. Worse, it is stealing resources from the mother without giving anything in return, like a socialist welfare queen. If not aborted, at the very least it should be extracted, frozen/preserved, and wait until it can be tried in juvenile could for its crime.

I hate you for being a secondlife-playing furry, but that shit is hilarious.

gay SecondLife lurker who is simply open to all types of porn. There's a difference XD

[Bobnova]

Of course she gets to decide, if she is pregnant she already made her decision.  She signed a nine month lease.

Getting pregnant isn't a contract with the fetus. If I invite you inside my house, I can immediately tell you to leave. Simply inviting you in doesn't mean you can live there.

It's not an invitation, an invitation can be rejected.  The baby has no choice about the decision to move in and dies if she leaves.  However, it should be noted I did not bring the contract language into this.  Anyway, I think we should probably call a truce on this one and maybe start a new thread if we want to debate this topic.  There is new Bruce related news, the trolls are getting desperate and are now just making stuff up and that shows just how empty the accusations are and how clearly innocent he is.  I don't want to distract from that fact at this point.

The mother doesn't always have a choice.
Take rape, for instance.  No choice there, but still pregnant.

As always, it's not a black:white issue.

[PinkiePie]

Take rape, for instance.  No choice there, but still pregnant.

Well duh, in that case I feel abortion should be legal and the rapist should take the murder charge.

That's irrelevant. Even if I carry you into my house while you're sleeping the same logic applies. The point is, you're in my house. Even if it's the case that if you leave you'll die, you have to leave.

Absolutely wrong.  If you take someone into your house knowingly without their consent in such a manner as their death is an inevitable result of leaving, you will be charged with murder.  It's more like you kidnapped them in while they slept and put up an impenetrable minefield outside.

A lease is a contract. You mentioned it being a lease. I didn't.

Looking back you are correct, but you introduced the entirely irrelevant concept of eviction, I simply offered a more accurate metaphor regarding residency to describe the situation.  Neither is a one to one example.

I may start a new thread on this later tonight.

Also, sincerely hope the camp you were sent to wasn't a "pray the gay away" therapy. Not sure what other re-education camps churches have.

I have read a lot of people have problems with these types of programs but my time in therapy really helped me a lot.  I was just young and confused and didn't understand what I was doing to myself and my family and my relationship with God.

[RandyFolds]

As for abortion, the fetus never signed a contract on that lease, does not even have the intellectual capacity to sign a contract, and is thus tresspassing. Worse, it is stealing resources from the mother without giving anything in return, like a socialist welfare queen. If not aborted, at the very least it should be extracted, frozen/preserved, and wait until it can be tried in juvenile could for its crime.

I hate you for being a secondlife-playing furry, but that shit is hilarious.

gay SecondLife lurker who is simply open to all types of porn. There's a difference XD

Gay is fine, secondlife is criminal.

[Rassah]

Also, sincerely hope the camp you were sent to wasn't a "pray the gay away" therapy. Not sure what other re-education camps churches have.

I have read a lot of people have problems with these types of programs but my time in therapy really helped me a lot.  I was just young and confused and didn't understand what I was doing to myself and my family and my relationship with God.

OMG *facepalm* Quite sorry that happened to you. Those places should be charged with criminal psychological abuse. Though judging by your MLP interest, guess it didn't fully work.

[Rassah]

Gay is fine, secondlife is criminal.

Not when you're on there to invest in casinos and shady banks/businesses, and use the proceeds to buy imported European smartphones before people here even know what a smartphone is. Now it's criminal, yes. Nothing to do there any more.

[indio007]

The moral source of our rights is, in my opinion, the Constitution.  It says:  

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights

That's the Declaration of Independence , more legalese right?

What I find hilarious is that the document you claim is the source of rights expressly says the source of our rights is the Creator!

Your parents shouldn't have sent you to Bible camp , they should have sent you to remedial reading.

Your synapse are crossed.

It doesn't define who or what the Creator is though. It could be YHWH but it could also be a six-headed space-goat, Xenu and a gang of pointy-eared fairies, or a set of natural, stochastic processes.

It is deliciously ironic that you're telling someone else that they belong in remedial reading though! 

WTH does the definition of Creator have to do with anything? He claimed the document was the source of rights... (after he mis-identified it)... The document itself says the Creator was the source of rights.
Now whoever the Creator is, happens to be irrelevant when it is the created beings that wrote the document.
Are you claiming the piece of paper is the Creator and the created beings created their Creator ex post facto?  
What time-space continuum are you living in?
I guess cause and effect are just an opinion now too.

How can every post get stupider from you guys?
If he needs remedial reading , you need basic logic instruction.

[onesalt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjV3wdXDHDk

Bruce has put a FULL CONFESSION UP on youtube.

[PinkiePie]

That's right kiddies, all human lives have rights except when they were created through rape!

They are always sacred and any such abortion would still be a grave sin, but despite how some are trying to strawman me here I judge law on secular terms despite my strong religious convictions.  My original assertion in this debate was that abortion is immoral and legal.  I do think it should be illegal, but not because of immorality.  If I thought that way I would be arguing to ban things like prostitution or gambling, but I don't.

If the consent of the woman has not been given she is not legally responsible for the results, the criminal is.

OMG *facepalm* Quite sorry that happened to you. Those places should be charged with criminal psychological abuse. Though judging by your MLP interest, guess it didn't fully work.

It was one of the best things to ever happen to me, and ummm.

[FAtlas]

It's pretty easy to be against abortion when you're 16 years old and you haven't had sex yet.

[repentance]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjV3wdXDHDk

Bruce has put a FULL CONFESSION UP on youtube.

Someone needs better editing tools.

[greyhawk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjV3wdXDHDk

Bruce has put a FULL CONFESSION UP on youtube.

Someone needs better editing tools.

That's exactly what I think about every episode of the Bitcoin Show.

[Rassah]

It was one of the best things to ever happen to me, and ummm.

Ah, you're a girl? Wonder why your parents freaked out then. Also, weird that they were all, like, "Nuuuu! You're not allowed to love everyone! Being indiscriminate in love is sick and disgusting! Jesus only approves of you loving specific people, since Jesus also only loved specific people, and spoke out against universal love ALL THE TIME!"

But whatever. I was a devout Christian Catholic, and an altar and quire boy (no, the priest never found me attractive enough). But I started questioning, found answers, and got better. Hope you do too. Hell, i'll even pray for your recovery.

[rainingbitcoins]

I was a devout Christian Catholic, and an altar and quire boy

Hi I'm the choir boy that's never seen the word choir before. Pray the Rosalee!

[BCEmporium]

OMFG! Now this evolved to "How religious I'm"?

I was overbrowsing this topic, and came across a curious line. Sort of "You see, this guy scammed in the past therefore he's a pedophile".

Two questions:

- If he is or not pedophile, what does that add (or subtract) for the bitcoin world?!
- Since when one totally unrelated thing in the past makes anybody a pedophile nowadays?! «Hey! My mortgage scheme went down so I'm going to vent my disgrace over young boys'» Is this supposed to be the "logic"?!

[wolftaur]

Well, this thread has earned its title. *facepalm*

[rainingbitcoins]

OMFG! Now this evolved to "How religious I'm"?

I was overbrowsing this topic, and came across a curious line. Sort of "You see, this guy scammed in the past therefore he's a pedophile".

Two questions:

- If he is or not pedophile, what does that add (or subtract) for the bitcoin world?!
- Since when one totally unrelated thing in the past makes anybody a pedophile nowadays?! «Hey! My mortgage scheme went down so I'm going to vent my disgrace over young boys'» Is this supposed to be the "logic"?!

You need to overbrowse the topic harder.