Accusing BitsPoker

[Cyrus]

Ok, well if you admit I paid that much and are willing to transfer the domain, how about will you be willing just to give my investment money back and you keep the site?

I don't think I heard of something similar. So you came. You bought. Invested an amount, until one day saying you don't have any money. I stepped in where I could to help. You went ahead and auctioned the site(but changed your mind?). As a result BitsPoker is in deep trouble.
Now you want your investment back?
If by any chance you're willing to log into Skype next day or so(haven't seen you logged in some time) and talk politely with me, maybe we can find a solution together. z3Moons, you're welcome to join. I just don't want anymore drama and conflict - because that's not who I am.

In fact it is sent. And thank you. That validates you a bit more. VEry appreciated and right thing to do.

And please don't take offence to this, but if it was that easy why aren't withdraws being covered.
Would you be willing to refund some other regulars?
I know one guy who was really dedicated to the site has coins stuck...and hes posting here too names NotAllThere. There are quite a few regulars hung out to dry.

but if there is funds to cover it, if this had been dont say last week or week beofre, the site would still be alive and probably pumpin today. I even wanted to join the team at one point before this happened to promote etc. ;\


and something should be worked out with your admin too I think. this is all such a mess.

You are welcome. As I said, this was done from my own pocket... like other deposits and payments I've done when Deadgiveaway wasn't able to make them.

Going to get some sleep.

[Cyrus]

Out of my pocket = My money = Not money from the website.
Please, chill a bit. Somehow you're confused no matter what or how I say it.

[deadgiveaway]

Ok, well if you admit I paid that much and are willing to transfer the domain, how about will you be willing just to give my investment money back and you keep the site?

I don't think I heard of something similar. So you came. You bought. Invested an amount, until one day saying you don't have any money. I Stepped in where I could to help. You went ahead and auctioned the site. Now BitsPoker is in deep trouble.
Now you want your investment back?
If by any chance you're willing to log into Skype next day or so(haven't seen you logged in some time) and talk politely with me, maybe we can find a solution together. z3Moons, you're welcome to join. I just don't want anymore drama and conflict - because that's not me.

In fact it is sent. And thank you. That validates you a bit more. VEry appreciated and right thing to do.

And please don't take offence to this, but if it was that easy why aren't withdraws being covered.
Would you be willing to refund some other regulars?
I know one guy who was really dedicated to the site has coins stuck...and hes posting here too names NotAllThere. There are quite a few regulars hung out to dry.

but if there is funds to cover it, if this had been dont say last week or week beofre, the site would still be alive and probably pumpin today. I even wanted to join the team at one point before this happened to promote etc. ;\


and something should be worked out with your admin too I think. this is all such a mess.

You are welcome. As I said, this was done from my own pocket... like other deposits and payments I've done when Deadgiveaway wasn't able to make them.

Wait a min wait a min here.

having cyrus send me back money raised even more questions for me than it answers.
I do appreciate the action and gesture - but if its that easy where did the money come from...your pocket? wtf lol..
again why are people not getting their money back?? after all this time?
..will the other players be getting full refunds? will the withdraws be available now?

im so confused.

Cyrus,
first you said you only sold a PORTION of the ownership to admin now your saying you sold it to him?
aka " (not saying I was any  wiser, that's the reason I sold it)." <<----thats what you said right? which is it?

YOU DID NOT SELL IT TO HIM CYRUS CLEARLY! this is where the manipulation comes in. Pat on the back for paying me back after all this time......but stop twisting your words.
Selling a business to someone then keeping the product and property in your name under your control is not a sell.

So I ask you when it comes to admin, whom you "sold the business to" ---- are you either going to REFUND HIM IN FULL ORIGINAL BITCOIN he gave you since you in fact kept the business in your name the whole time, the domain, the website, etc......or are you going to give him the entire poker site and just let go of the whole thing? Either or, but seriously....it is what it is and it's def not how you keep describing it, it just does NOT make sense.

(and dead talking behind your back? whats that supposed to mean? he is talking here and calling you out because you took forever to finally address anything....thats not talking behind your back its talking to your face in public....more than what you keep trying to do. I humored skype than thought about it. Nothing should be private here, no closed doors. fix it here. address it here. NO PMS NO SKYPE)

Well it looks to me like he randomly selected you to receive a payout of BTC you deposited. Lucky you, maybe you'll stop pressing for the truth now. See this is the mind of Cyrus. This is why I won't login to Skype today. I was on yesterday but you did not message me, and I on the other hand have been reaching out to players to give them an answer. Would you consider doing my job to be talking behind your back? Who am I to talk behind your back? I don't hold any valuable secret information that you've handed over to me whatsoever. So in what possible way could I be betraying you? What money do I owe you? You've never sent anything to me. You claim I am in over my head, well if that's the case you should have said so rather than letting the site fall apart. Have some shame.

[deadgiveaway]

and I guess you should consider me a friend, because since meeting me you've become richer. Congratulations.

[deadgiveaway]

None of my business into this mess, but I just couldn't help myself asking about the organization of the poker site. I mean, was it opened by a private person and was it intended to be run by private person/s? If this was the case and if successful, it would've come under authorities radar pretty fast, imo (for taxation purposes). It's also a matter of liability if things go wrong (as it seems they did?). I mean, thinking of myself as a possible poker player, I'd be concerned with these facts:

- am I playing on a legit website?
- is the website and software used in any way audited by some sort of an official agency so to be considered safe and fair?

I've become kind of obsessed with organization form for whatever enterprise since the bitcoin-24 disaster. A well intention-ed young man messed things up really bad simply because he tried to operate things as a private person.  

Really? Have you heard of Sealswithclubs? Apparently they have been doing just fine with a completely anonymous owner.

[Cyrus]

Well it looks to me like he randomly selected you to receive a payout of BTC you deposited. Lucky you, maybe you'll stop pressing for the truth now.

I did what you couldn't do lately. Handle a withdraw.

See this is the mind of Cyrus.

'The mind of Cyrus' is the one that tried helping you run this website since day one. We talked on daily basis, a lot. I tried to help, to put our heads together. Some nice ideas came out of that. But that's all. I tried my best. In your eyes I've turned from a pal(or whatever you considered me) to an enemy in a very short time. If that's what you want, so be it.

This is why I won't login to Skype today. I was on yesterday but you did not message me,

Don't login, have it your way. Just wanted to help you and the situation.

and I on the other hand have been reaching out to players to give them an answer.

Sorry, but I thought that was the thing you had to do.

Would you consider doing my job to be talking behind your back? Who am I to talk behind your back? I don't hold any valuable secret information that you've handed over to me whatsoever. So in what possible way could I be betraying you? What money do I owe you? You've never sent anything to me. You claim I am in over my head, well if that's the case you should have said so rather than letting the site fall apart.

I sent to the project you bought.

Have some shame.

No thank you.

[Cyrus]

Well it looks to me like he randomly selected you to receive a payout of BTC you deposited. Lucky you, maybe you'll stop pressing for the truth now.

I did what you couldn't do lately. Handle a withdraw.

See this is the mind of Cyrus.

'The mind of Cyrus' is the one that tried helping you run this website since day one. We talked on daily basis, a lot. I tried to help, to put our heads together. Some nice ideas came out of that. But that's all. I tried my best. In your eyes I've turned from a pal(or whatever you considered me) to an enemy in a very short time. If that's what you want, so be it.

This is why I won't login to Skype today. I was on yesterday but you did not message me,

Don't login, have it your way. Just wanted to help you and the situation.

and I on the other hand have been reaching out to players to give them an answer.

Sorry, but I thought that was the thing you had to do.

Would you consider doing my job to be talking behind your back? Who am I to talk behind your back? I don't hold any valuable secret information that you've handed over to me whatsoever. So in what possible way could I be betraying you? What money do I owe you? You've never sent anything to me. You claim I am in over my head, well if that's the case you should have said so rather than letting the site fall apart.

I sent to the project you bought.

Have some shame.

No thank you.
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and I guess you should consider me a friend, because since meeting me you've become richer. Congratulations.

Richer? I merely got a (big) portion of what I previously invested in BitsPoker. That is all.
And seems I am still spending on it.

[Cyrus]

Out of my pocket = My money = Not money from the website.
Please, chill a bit. Somehow you're confused no matter what or how I say it.

Not confused. COnfused where all that bitcoin went you claim to have invested along with deadgiveaway and where it went among your small group of active players LOL
do the math bro.

not confused that your name is owning a property and business that you claim to have sold to someone. your name is on it? your responsible for it. You have money in your pocket while people have money stuck in YOUR business. They were doing deposits just the past few days im pretty certin, and your like "my money out of my pocket"


still have yet to see the block chain for all these transactions. just one.

where is admins investment blockcain....where did that money go

where is the rest of your investment. block chain

and when you REMOVED it to pay for SAID EXPENSES where is the blockchain for it leaving. please share.

but over 14+ bitcoin on a site where 1 freaking chip is only .0001 btc makes no sense for being bankrupt with what i saw as a 20 player or less active players. just saying

OPEN LEDGER CYRUS! not just ONE transaction you made...where are the PEOPLES DEPOSITS INTO THE SITE on TOP OF the 14+ btc invested. LOL do the maaaaaaaaaath.

Cloudflare Pro is what 20 bucks a month? give me a break. STOP PLAYING GAMES!

SHOW US THE BITCOIN AND THE BLOCKCHAINS FOR ALL OF IT!

Stop shouting. Stop drama. I said everything there is to it. Yes, the domain is under my ownership because Deadgiveaway guy wanted to be as anonymous as possible. Congrats dude! You're anonymous, I'm stuck with the mess. Care to clean it up? No.. ok.

/need sleep.

[deadgiveaway]

Crafty guy, now claims that I want an enemy. No, you might not be humble enough to have the shame it takes to be a successful business man, but try to be a reasonable one.

[notallthere]

  I still don't get why there wasn't one clean centralized wallet for player funds to go into. At that point you have a central pool for payouts, and if you take profit or operating cost from that it could be easily shown. I'm not really seeing that. In reality why wouldn't player funds be forwarded to one address.
 My last deposit came from an exchange, we collected deposits info from three players. Not sure about others.
Myself:
https://blockchain.info/address/12VkT2DqNfVZQUHKdfYF67HSwkQe61uQ1L

Z3:
https://blockchain.info/address/1AEKNBJ8qX9fRtXwikC5nwcndARDajvjbu

SNS on grindabit(not sure what his handle is here):
https://blockchain.info/address/1M4b71AExwhDcXH7bJGYjYUKeTv8KS3cZU

If anyone is interested to have a look. Am I just not understanding the process here?

[nioc]

I am sns on grindabit.  On Bitspoker I am stibe.  I deposited once for 0.1 btc, won a bit and my balance is now 0.140191 btc.

I have not withdrawn anything from my account.  I tried to withdraw starting ~2 weeks ago but have been unable to.

As stated by others there is no way player funds should ever have been used for ANYTHING.

May I please have MY btc back?

[deadgiveaway]

Alright, I think if Cyrus is saying he sold the site to me, he can transfer it to me and figure out I'll this mess as a true inheritor. Until then, I'm not going to assume responsibility. I'll need the domain and the poker software license obviously. Cyrus, You were not exactly upfront about the situation of the website when I got involved. I didn't realize that there were already complain threads on Reddit, emails left unanswered, and an incomplete site. You really should have simply sold the site rather than making a strange deal with me. You said many times to me that the site meant something to you and I genuinely respected that and didn't want to fuck you out of it like the typical heartless kind of business dealings most people choose by default. You know what though, you really were not that committed to it, or really had no time. I'm sorry, you have to draw a line somewhere if you're not going have any time or commitment that it requires. Yes, I do think we should find a solution and cut the drama. If you want to transfer the site to me and lay on me all this shit to deal with, since you say I am the owner, that is fine. For you to say I owe you anything however, is sad. I don't owe you anything.

[hopenotlate]

Lots of talk but still no blockchains.

[randuev]

thanks, that was some eye opening experience.

to be honest i don't see why Cyrus has to show blockchain of him receiving 12btc payment for the ~50% of profits (- operating costs). i mean it's his money, he can do whatever he wants with it.

i also see contradiction, how to remain anonymous when changing domain registration. deadgiveaway, if you are fine with your personal details being in the open you should say so in Skype to Cyrus or here, if you don't want to settle this quicker and easier.

what about the auction? are you still trying to sell the site in it's entirety? are you planning to cover players balances before the sale or new owner will have to do that?

really sad that good site got mismanaged so bad.

[hopenotlate]

to be honest i don't see why Cyrus has to show blockchain of him receiving 12btc payment for the ~50% of profits (- operating costs). i mean it's his money, he can do whatever he wants with it.

maybe because there are people (depositors) with money stuck in the pokerroom?....just a wild guess....

[Cyrus]

Good Response. Avoided again the one thing that can validate you. the blockchains for allllll that money. In the words of my favorite bitspoker troll LoserJoker, "ScAm ChEAt dIe LoSer"
No but really, that sucks you avoid that clear and appropriate question for what is this now, the fourth time i've asked to see the blockchain?

Not looking for validation and I don't see why I have to post any blockchains. Ask the guy who should, if he wants.

POST THE BLOCKCHAIN or regret your decision and how it effects your career for the rest of your bitcoin scammer life.

Yeah, good job, sending threaths.Why are you threathening only me and not Deadgiveaway? - Don't have to answer that, but you see where I'm going.

Alright, I think if Cyrus is saying he sold the site to me, he can transfer it to me and figure out I'll this mess as a true inheritor. Until then, I'm not going to assume responsibility. I'll need the domain and the poker software license obviously. Cyrus, You were not exactly upfront about the situation of the website when I got involved. I didn't realize that there were already complain threads on Reddit, emails left unanswered, and an incomplete site. You really should have simply sold the site rather than making a strange deal with me. You said many times to me that the site meant something to you and I genuinely respected that and didn't want to fuck you out of it like the typical heartless kind of business dealings most people choose by default. You know what though, you really were not that committed to it, or really had no time. I'm sorry, you have to draw a line somewhere if you're not going have any time or commitment that it requires. Yes, I do think we should find a solution and cut the drama.

Yes, it was sold to you and you agreed. I was upfront with you and I think you were too(at that time at least). I wasn't hanging around on Reddit, you did. Deal wasn't strange, you were the one that suggested you pay an amount + 50%, remember that much?
The site did and does mean something to me, as I spent a lot of time, energy, passion and money into it. And for the better part of the time I knew you, I thought you were as passionate as I was. Don't ever say I wasn't committed, the commits done by me in the BitsPoker repos speak for themselves .

If you want to transfer the site to me and lay on me all this shit to deal with, since you say I am the owner, that is fine.

This 'shit' as you name is yours to deal with. Good job blaming me for it.

For you to say I owe you anything however, is sad. I don't owe you anything.

I do appreciate the fact that you somewhat claimed a responsibility through this post. But yes, you do owe me and don't try to deny that. But we can talk about it after this whole mess cools down.

Bottom line, contact me for the domain ownership change. Time for you to take some responsibility.

[notallthere]

 So who owns the wallets/addresses where player funds were forwarded to?
 Was this done manually or is there automatic forwarding in the software?
 What exactly was done with the player deposits after that?

 My deposit was ~350 chips which was .035 or so BTC.
 My current balance stands at 505 chips.
 Even without the extra 150 or so chips that I won ( from paid tournaments not freerolls) what happened to the money that was sent initially?
 I'm personally not asking for transaction records of your business dealings. If either of you felt the need to post evidence to back up your claims it would have been done already. Both parties should have transaction records for something like this. Not to mention communications, and at least the initial agreement. My issue is the convoluted way in which deposited funds seem to have traveled, and the lack of transparency on the part of whoever was in control of deposited funds.
 I also really don't see this cooling down at all until it gets resolved, and even after that how can you expect people to buy back into a site that has left it's players to bear the burden of failed ownership.
 This is not a million dollar operation we're talking about. I'd be surprised if there was more than 1 or 2 BTC outstanding that is owed to players, and that's a high estimate.
 

[Cyrus]

So who owns the wallets/addresses where player funds were forwarded to?
 Was this done manually or is there automatic forwarding in the software?
 What exactly was done with the player deposits after that?

The addresses are generated from bitcoind, hosted on a VPS. Payments, both deposits and withdraws are automatic. Deposits and withdraws were done from the same balance. Main reason why there was a shortage of btc to handle withdraws is because of the freerolls.

My deposit was ~350 chips which was .035 or so BTC.
 My current balance stands at 505 chips.
 Even without the extra 150 or so chips that I won ( from paid tournaments not freerolls) what happened to the money that was sent initially?

Because Deadgiveaway's funds ran out, while keeping the freerolls, most likely it was withdrawn by somebody that had freeroll chips.

I'm personally not asking for transaction records of your business dealings. If either of you felt the need to post evidence to back up your claims it would have been done already. Both parties should have transaction records for something like this.

The transactions are all there, in bitcoind. If Deadgiveaway wants to share them, no problem with me, not my concern.

Not to mention communications, and at least the initial agreement. My issue is the convoluted way in which deposited funds seem to have traveled, and the lack of transparency on the part of whoever was in control of deposited funds.

We had an agreement, that we both stood by. That is, until I had to fund things he should have funded and when I stopped this happened.

I also really don't see this cooling down at all until it gets resolved, and even after that how can you expect people to buy back into a site that has left it's players to bear the burden of failed ownership.

I am trying to resolve this, even if it may or may not be my job. Seems like my efforts have been misinterpreted so far.

This is not a million dollar operation we're talking about. I'd be surprised if there was more than 1 or 2 BTC outstanding that is owed to players, and that's a high estimate.

You're right in the ballpark. 1-2 BTC is a high estimate in my opinion. This wouldn't have happened if Deadgiveaway would have said from day one that upon buying he only has X amount to invest in say, freerolls.

To be honest, I'm done dealing with drama. My name has been dragged through mud by unprofessional people enough.

[Cyrus]

Bottom line is you need to refund your players. Bottom line is you need to return money to dead or the entire property (not just the domain name, the website the software everything). Bottom line is you have manipulated your version of this story in so many casual ways. Bottom line is you drug your own name through the mud, and if you call the romanian sections of bitcointalk forums mudd, you have not seen mudd.

Still waiting for you to make it "right" for all my innocent fellow bitspoker players who trusted you with deposits.

Either troll or Deadgiveaway's buddy, I don't care(your stance is begining to get kinda obvious and boring). I've stated my point many times over.
If he wants his name all over it, fine by me. I'm not the one that should be responsible for refunds(even if I did add my money to BitsPoker after he acquired it and if I refunded you).
And to be honest I still wanted to help out this project, you are making me reconsider.

[bitjon27]

you can add 3.2btc that list. it was only a laon i never saw back as promised. now i play at seals. his name is michael via his email.