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January 29, 2014, 06:07:31 AM
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpeck/2014/01/27/predator-drone-sends-north-dakota-man-to-jail/

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What do you say to a drone that makes an arrest?

“Book him, Predator?”

This was no joke for a North Dakota family who were arrested with the assistance of a  Predator drone.  Rodney Brossart was sentenced to three years in prison, of which all but six months was suspended, for a June 2011 incident in which police attempted to arrest him over his failure to return three cows from a neighboring farm that had strayed on to his property.

After Brossart was arrested, an armed standoff ensued between his three sons and a SWAT team. His sons were located by a border-surveillance Predator borrowed from Customs and Border Patrol (CBP), which enabled local police to safely apprehend them, according to local newspapers.

A federal judge rejected a motion by Brossart’s attorney to dismiss the case on the ground that the drone surveillance was conducted without a warrant. On January 14, a jury found Brossart guilty of terrorizing police, though he was acquitted of theft and criminal mischief. Brossart’s sons pled guilty to charges of menacing law enforcement officers, and were sentenced to a year of probation.

Brossart won’t be the last person convicted with the help of a drone as law enforcement deploys more of them. What is worrisome is that drones designed to protect American borders are being used to conduct surveillance on Americans themselves. Records obtained by the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a civil liberties group, found that CBP Predator drones flew 700 missions between 2010 and 2012 for other law enforcement agencies, including the FBI, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and local police departments. CBP Predators were equipped with Vehicle and Dismount Exploitation Radar (VADER), developed by the military to detect insurgents in Afghanistan.

Yet for all the sinister mystique of drones, and the uncomfortable feeling that being shadowed by a drone might create (many people in the Middle East feel your pain), the drones themselves are not the real issue. Had a manned police helicopter with a pilot at the controls helped to apprehend Brossart, the outcome would have been the same. Indeed, the question of whether aerial surveillance requires a warrant is ambiguous, with some court rulings – including a 1986 Supreme Court decision – allowing warrantless surveillance, while other rulings have found it to be  unconstitutional.

There was a time when aerial surveillance was so expensive that privacy was a minor issue. But now drones are relatively cheap and can be equipped with sophisticated sensors, so they can vacuum up large amounts of camera imagery and other data, in the same way that advances in computers and communications enable the NSA to collect huge amounts of data from telephones and the Internet. As the Electronic Frontier Foundation notes, it is not clear what police are doing with the data.

So we could face a future where the skies are criss-crossed by police drones tracking suspected criminals, and in the process, spying on the rest of us. Which almost makes the rest of us suspected criminals.

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January 29, 2014, 05:11:18 PM
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I'm happy that I don't live in "The Land of The Free". But probaibly it's just a matter of time before similar attempts will be done over here...
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January 29, 2014, 06:24:29 PM
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Lovely.

Not too far in the future and people may  come to the conclusion "We would be better off if Adolf had won."  Sad

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January 30, 2014, 12:01:25 AM
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpeck/2014/01/27/predator-drone-sends-north-dakota-man-to-jail/

Is this what we are coming to?  Will you take a stand against the tyranny?

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What do you say to a drone that makes an arrest?

“Book him, Predator?”

This was no joke for a North Dakota family who were arrested with the assistance of a  Predator drone.  Rodney Brossart was sentenced to three years in prison, of which all but six months was suspended, for a June 2011 incident in which police attempted to arrest him over his failure to return three cows from a neighboring farm that had strayed on to his property.

After Brossart was arrested, an armed standoff ensued between his three sons and a SWAT team. His sons were located by a border-surveillance Predator borrowed from Customs and Border Patrol (CBP), which enabled local police to safely apprehend them, according to local newspapers.

A federal judge rejected a motion by Brossart’s attorney to dismiss the case on the ground that the drone surveillance was conducted without a warrant. On January 14, a jury found Brossart guilty of terrorizing police, though he was acquitted of theft and criminal mischief. Brossart’s sons pled guilty to charges of menacing law enforcement officers, and were sentenced to a year of probation.

Brossart won’t be the last person convicted with the help of a drone as law enforcement deploys more of them. What is worrisome is that drones designed to protect American borders are being used to conduct surveillance on Americans themselves. Records obtained by the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a civil liberties group, found that CBP Predator drones flew 700 missions between 2010 and 2012 for other law enforcement agencies, including the FBI, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and local police departments. CBP Predators were equipped with Vehicle and Dismount Exploitation Radar (VADER), developed by the military to detect insurgents in Afghanistan.

Yet for all the sinister mystique of drones, and the uncomfortable feeling that being shadowed by a drone might create (many people in the Middle East feel your pain), the drones themselves are not the real issue. Had a manned police helicopter with a pilot at the controls helped to apprehend Brossart, the outcome would have been the same. Indeed, the question of whether aerial surveillance requires a warrant is ambiguous, with some court rulings – including a 1986 Supreme Court decision – allowing warrantless surveillance, while other rulings have found it to be  unconstitutional.

There was a time when aerial surveillance was so expensive that privacy was a minor issue. But now drones are relatively cheap and can be equipped with sophisticated sensors, so they can vacuum up large amounts of camera imagery and other data, in the same way that advances in computers and communications enable the NSA to collect huge amounts of data from telephones and the Internet. As the Electronic Frontier Foundation notes, it is not clear what police are doing with the data.

So we could face a future where the skies are criss-crossed by police drones tracking suspected criminals, and in the process, spying on the rest of us. Which almost makes the rest of us suspected criminals.

I don't think the circumstances provide a good test of the right or wrongness, or the appropriateness of the use of drones.  I have on and off had radio controlled aircraft as a hobby, and there is nothing wrong with my putting cameras on them, generally speaking.   

Better would be a suit brought by a woman sunbathing nude, in her backyard enclosed by a high fence, photographed by a drone.  That would get to the issue.  She wants her privacy and the law recognizes that.  But she isn't invisible to satellite high resolution photography.  Is a drone the same?  Is it wrong if she is photographed incidentally, or purposefully? 

The NSA is claiming that the gathering of massive amounts of US Citizens' personal information is "incidental to their main mission".   Similarly, new TSA scanners that essentially show naked bodies, well, that's incidental to their main mission.  So forth and so on, until you have no rights left.
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January 31, 2014, 10:09:06 PM
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the man did take 3 cows ya know

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January 31, 2014, 10:29:40 PM
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the man did take 3 cows ya know

That used to be a hangin' crime. So I guess he should feel lucky the drone didn't send him to hell.  Roll Eyes

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February 01, 2014, 12:24:25 AM
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what? cows trespassed on his property, why is that his fault?

---> stand your ground law = BARBECUE TIME  Cheesy

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