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Let me give you a small free lesson clueless noob who is trying to me smart. There are no regulations for ICO's in general. China just restricted ICO's because the central bank of China declared ICO's as a danger for the countries economy. SEC in US still does not have clear statement about that. Let’s look at bitcoin. If you own bitcoin, you are not entitled to any particular debt or deposits. There is no repayment schedule, and there is no issuer from which the debt should eventually come from. Therefore it’s safe to conclude that bitcoin is not a debt security. Likewise, as bitcoin is not a company, a bitcoin does not represent a share of ownership in anything. Bitcoin is valued simply because bitcoin itself has value. For this reason, bitcoin is generally not considered a security, but instead is considered an asset more in line with gold or diamonds. It’s something that has value in and of itself and is not tied to any company or issuing body. Things get even more complicated when we consider the various cryptocurrencies and ERC-20 tokens offered in ICO’s. This is because practically all ICO’s are offered by an individual or a company. Even if it’s not offered by a registered company, it’s still being offered by an individual or group of individuals that will be the beneficiary of the proceeds from the sale. Are ICO’s illegal? At this point not. In order for an ICO to be illegal in the United States, it would need to be de facto declared as a security first. Once that is done, attempting to sell securities without following SEC procedures could be viewed as an illegal act. However ICO's are not declared as a security jet. Same story is in EU. The EU central bank is talking about implementing some rules for ICO's but nothing was done yet. Also if you want to avoid any problems just mention in your ICO, that your tokens will be used for membership on your platform and that's it. So, I suggest you to educate yourself a little bit before posting a bullshit statements here.
Rather than looking at a poorly written article written by a journalist - lets look at what the law really says: Howey Test (USA) It is an investment of money ☑ There is an expectation of profits from the investment ☑ The investment of money is in a common enterprise ☑ Any profit comes from the efforts of a promoter or third party ☑ https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/328/293.htmlhttps://apps.americanbar.org/buslaw/newsletter/0014/materials/investmentch2.pdfNow your whitepaper:  UK:  AU:  https://asic.gov.au/regulatory-resources/digital-transformation/initial-coin-offerings-and-crypto-currency/#whenHK: http://www.sfc.hk/web/EN/regulatory-functions/intermediaries/licensing/do-you-need-a-licence-or-registration.html#1 |
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Finally we have this entertainment now!  Maybe the scammer will be tagged by other members so he has to think about some more lies for revenge-trust... |
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NOTE: Cross posted from the other thread...  Please stop posting and/or linking to the same screenshot of an email that quite clearly comes from a well known "spam email" domain (cyberservices.com) and claiming that is is "undeniable proof" that cryptodevil tried to extort money from you. Emails are ridiculously easy to "spoof"... In addition, you have no proof that cryptodevil actually sent that email or owns that email address... just because someone put cryptodevil's name on it... doesn't mean that it is him. If you have some actual evidence, please feel free to post it. |
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OP you are a facking scammer, get the fuck out of here.
I vouch for Cryptodevil, he tagged me when I was a full member but after a month or two he removed the tag after I tried to reason with him.
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Tell us more about war in Bosnia.
So you are not denying that you are a former member of Croatian Defence Council Hrvatsko vijeće obrane ? Great.. in addition to suspected extortionist and pedophile we got a suspected war criminal among DT2 members. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4432189.msg39722403#msg39722403Bullshit and off topic. Rather than looking at a poorly written article written by a journalist - lets look at what the law really says:
Dude, you are posting some bullshit about definition of securities and investments in different countries. There is no single word in that statements about ICO regulations. As I said there are NO CLEAR REGULATIONS FOR ICO'S UNTIL NOW. And let me remind you once again, your post is OFF TOPIC There is a clear statement about off topic posts on this forum from Theymos https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=14356.0Finally we have this entertainment now! Bullshit and off topic. Well known "spam email" domain cyberservices.com and claiming that that cryptodevil tried to extort mon just because someone put cryptodevil's name on it... doesn't mean that it is him.
If you have some actual evidence, please feel free to post it.
Yea, extortionists are using emails on that domains, because they are free and untraceable. So anyone including Cryptodevil could use that email for extorting. The problem here is that Cryptodevil himself can not prove that this letter was not sent by him, but I can prove that this letter was received on our email and already did that by publishing it. Because of that I'm saying that Cryptodevil is a suspected extortionist. OP you are a facking scammer, get the fuck out of here.
Look at your trust dude... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=806776 and you are calling somebody a scammer ? ..... This post is off topic too. I WILL NOT ANSWER OFF TOPIC AND STUPID POSTS. ONLY THE POSTS THAT ARE RELATED TO THIS TOPIC CAN BE POSTED HERE. PLEASE FOLLOW THE FORUM RULES. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=14356.0
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Well known "spam email" domain cyberservices.com and claiming that that cryptodevil tried to extort mon just because someone put cryptodevil's name on it... doesn't mean that it is him.
If you have some actual evidence, please feel free to post it.
Yea, extortionists are using emails on that domains, because they are free and untraceable. So anyone including Cryptodevil could use that email for extorting. The problem here is that Cryptodevil himself can not prove that this letter was not sent by him, but I can prove that this letter was received on our email and already did that by publishing it. Because of that I'm saying that Cryptodevil is a suspected extortionist. No... What you are doing is making baseless accusations. You admit that anyone could have sent that email. So, as it currently stands, you have no proof of any wrongdoing by cryptodevil. Also, it isn't up to cryptodevil to prove he didn't send it... In this case, the onus is on the accusor (ie. You) to provide evidence that he did. It's like arguing: "I can prove my house was robbed (broken window, stuff missing, police report)... yokxashor can't prove he didn't do it, so yokxashor is a suspected burglar"  It simply doesn't work that way. So, can you show a link between the ETH address in the email and cryptodevil? Can you show some definitive link between cyberservices.com and cryptodevil? Do you have anything of substance to back up your claim that cryptodevil tried to extort cryptocurrency from you?  |
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Plagiarism is against forum rules. Please ban yourself and get lost. Thanks. |
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You admit that anyone could have sent that email. So, as it currently stands, you have no proof of any wrongdoing by cryptodevil.
Dude, a lot of companies are receiving extortion letters from some individuals. Do they have 100% proof that letter was sent by that individual ? The answer is NO. No one can have such proofs. What are such companies doing? They are reporting that letters to Police. Only Police and the court can confirm that letter was sent by that person. Unfortunately that does not work in crypto, because police will never investigate such case. That's why I published that letter here and mentioned that Cryptodevil is a suspected extortionist. Plagiarism is against forum rules. Please ban yourself and get lost. Thanks.
Bullshit and off topic posted by immoral dreg of society called suchmoon. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4432189.msg39620254#msg39620254 |
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Dude, a lot of companies are receiving extortion letters from some individuals. Do they have 100% proof that letter was sent by that individual ? The answer is NO. No one can have such proofs. What are such companies doing? They are reporting that letters to Police. Only Police and the court can confirm that letter was sent by that person. Unfortunately that does not work in crypto, because police will never investigate such case. That's why I published that letter here and mentioned that Cryptodevil is a suspected extortionist.
Oh - the police will investigate any extortion. ISP's and service providers often can find out the source of an email too. All you need to provide is the origional header. It is reasonably easy to trace to a source unless they really know what they are doing. What you are counting on is that nobody works for such organisation.  |
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Oh - the police will investigate extortion. ISP's and service providers often can find out too.
All you need to provide is the origional header. It is reasonably easy to trace to a source unless they really know what they are doing.
What you are counting on is that nobody works for such organisation. That's another confirmation, that you are a fucking idiot. I said that police will not investigate anything related to ICO. That never happened. Why? Because all ICO's and cryptocurrencies are not regulated by any law. But if you want me to send that letter to police I will do that. You better take care about your fucking thread where you are demanding a free speech for drug dealers. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4437773.msg39642496#msg39642496 or maybe you want me to help you you with posting in that thread ? .... Besides you are a merit abuser and must be tagged by DT members. (Account connected Lafu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=805820) Hey suchmoon why don't you tag this guy ? Or maybe he is your friend like VOD ? http://archive.is/dDZvw#selection-4125.0-4125.7https://prnt.sc/jio3hr%20Lafu:%20https://prnt.sc/jio40q |
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June 11, 2018, 02:31:47 AM |
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Hey suchmoon why don't you tag this guy ? Or maybe he is your friend like VOD ?
Bullshit and off topic posted by a scammer. Let's get back to the topic of scam bounty participants tagged for promoting a bitconnect clone ponzi scheme. |
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June 11, 2018, 03:53:35 AM
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Perhaps it is because it has already been disproven in another thread. People can say anything in untrusted feedback. It doesn't make it true. If I gave a shit about rank I could have made 2000 shitposts before the merit system was introduced. I've been a member since 2016. Perhaps you want to regurgitate the nonsense claims that the SIGT shills made as well. (A proven scam) Do you really believe that if you say something often enough then people may believe you regardless of how stupid it sounds ? |
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Perhaps it is because it has already been disproven in another thread.
It was not disproved anywhere. Dude, you and your alt account Lafu are merit system abusers and there is a proof of that http://archive.is/dDZvw#selection-4125.0-4125.7https://prnt.sc/jio3hr%20Lafu:%20https://prnt.sc/jio40qI will post this in meta and if suchmoon is refusing to tag you, because he is an immoral MOFO, there are a lot of other DT members that will tag both of your profiles. It will be a good lesson for you fucking idiot. This thread is locked till evening, because I don't plan on spending my own, already very limited time, answering some idiots here. I will reopen it soon, so don't worry suchmoon, as promised I'll make you, VOD, Cryptodevil, ACTMYNAME and MARLBOROZA the stars of scam accusation threads. We got already around 500 views and I hope in a couple of months we will reach 10 000. |
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