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February 05, 2019, 01:21:15 PM
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Recently I tried leveraged trading for the first time at Bitmex, and ended up in a loss. It seemed similar to a gamble, where you deposit, place a bet and either win (and double) or lose everything. In leveraged trading, if you deposit & place an order and it reaches your liquidation level, you lose everything.

Gambling can't be compared to regular trading, as in regular trading, you don't win much and don't lose much either. However, if you're trading with leverage, then that trading can be considered something similar to a gamble.
Leverage trading is like a double-edged sword, it can be very profitable and can hurt you very much.
but I don't think it can be equated with gambling. in leverage trading there is also a technical analysis and does not depend 100% on luck

Leverage trading is quite similar to gambling as we have to guess whether the price will go up or down and if our guess is write we can profit else we are at loss. This is again dependent upon luck that our guess is right or wrong. I can relate it to sports betting where we have some data on which we can analysis and the predict the outcome.
Inside crypto, leverage trading is mostly contains of lucks, as analysis and data indicators are not really being used by many traders who
work with this type of tradings, influence by bagholders can simply change the market directions and whatever you do there's no chance of yours
to reverse what they wanted to do and whatever directions they wanted to take.
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February 05, 2019, 02:10:10 PM
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... gambling is more popular in this situation most of the people don't know about leverage trading because when people are thinking about money making they are going only easier said that's why gambling will more popular and there is no higher guidance will about to trade in the way of leverage trading.

in terms of popularity both trading and gambling are equal but trading is more preferable option by majority because they believe that it is more profitable and less riskier due to the fact that you have some guides that you can depend on  . unlike to gambling that luck only play a major role .  for people that are less knowledgeable like me , i dont have a choice but go with gambling .
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February 05, 2019, 02:24:04 PM
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... gambling is more popular in this situation most of the people don't know about leverage trading because when people are thinking about money making they are going only easier said that's why gambling will more popular and there is no higher guidance will about to trade in the way of leverage trading.

in terms of popularity both trading and gambling are equal but trading is more preferable option by majority because they believe that it is more profitable and less riskier due to the fact that you have some guides that you can depend on  . unlike to gambling that luck only play a major role .  for people that are less knowledgeable like me , i dont have a choice but go with gambling .
It is really difficult to be in leverage trading now, we can't actually make profit with these. Gambling might have a huge risk also but it somehow more applicable at this time. Prices may affect our trading strategies but for gambling, it is only our luck who could brought us into winning. Leverage trading will only be effective when the market are pumping.



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February 05, 2019, 03:18:50 PM
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... gambling is more popular in this situation most of the people don't know about leverage trading because when people are thinking about money making they are going only easier said that's why gambling will more popular and there is no higher guidance will about to trade in the way of leverage trading.

in terms of popularity both trading and gambling are equal but trading is more preferable option by majority because they believe that it is more profitable and less riskier due to the fact that you have some guides that you can depend on  . unlike to gambling that luck only play a major role .  for people that are less knowledgeable like me , i dont have a choice but go with gambling .
It is really difficult to be in leverage trading now, we can't actually make profit with these. Gambling might have a huge risk also but it somehow more applicable at this time. Prices may affect our trading strategies but for gambling, it is only our luck who could brought us into winning. Leverage trading will only be effective when the market are pumping.
Why wouldn't you be able to make a profit in leverage trading? There are a lot of opportunities as long as you are correct in your predictions/analysis with different indicators or something like that. I do not entirely agree that it's only luck, you could also increase your chances in winning when you input your strategy too. It's better to be prepared.

And I think it's better to have margin trading with leverage so you could profit on an uptrend and downtrend with the right calls.

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February 05, 2019, 09:47:12 PM
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... gambling is more popular in this situation most of the people don't know about leverage trading because when people are thinking about money making they are going only easier said that's why gambling will more popular and there is no higher guidance will about to trade in the way of leverage trading.

in terms of popularity both trading and gambling are equal but trading is more preferable option by majority because they believe that it is more profitable and less riskier due to the fact that you have some guides that you can depend on  . unlike to gambling that luck only play a major role .  for people that are less knowledgeable like me , i dont have a choice but go with gambling .
leveraging now can make less profit and big loss because of too much volatility so gambling can be better in this situation. Its good not to do anything without enough knowledge, it only means you know what to do in the right way. Gambling only needs a small understanding and you can play easily.
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February 05, 2019, 10:20:41 PM
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Recently I tried leveraged trading for the first time at Bitmex, and ended up in a loss. It seemed similar to a gamble, where you deposit, place a bet and either win (and double) or lose everything. In leveraged trading, if you deposit & place an order and it reaches your liquidation level, you lose everything.

Gambling can't be compared to regular trading, as in regular trading, you don't win much and don't lose much either. However, if you're trading with leverage, then that trading can be considered something similar to a gamble.
Gambling can some how be compared to trading with leaverage because in both you may loose all or double your capital of which you use for the investment. I will advise people to always steak to the one for which you are good at in other for you to continue earning your profit from either gambling or leaverage trading.
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February 08, 2019, 04:32:27 AM
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Recently I tried leveraged trading for the first time at Bitmex, and ended up in a loss. It seemed similar to a gamble, where you deposit, place a bet and either win (and double) or lose everything. In leveraged trading, if you deposit & place an order and it reaches your liquidation level, you lose everything.

Gambling can't be compared to regular trading, as in regular trading, you don't win much and don't lose much either. However, if you're trading with leverage, then that trading can be considered something similar to a gamble.

You are right.
Trading with leverage is high risk.
Gambling with provably fair is better then using leverage.
I trade without leverage only.
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February 08, 2019, 05:46:58 AM
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You are right.
Trading with leverage is high risk.
Gambling with provably fair is better then using leverage.
I trade without leverage only.
Both things, gambling and trading, has risk and it’s a matter of how well prepared you are with what you are doing. For example, there are a lot of great traders, not the one who claim themselves great, do very well with trading. It’s just a matter of consistency, correct analysis, and the right trend. Leveraging is great when you are trying to have a small amount and still have a great profit but unless you have no knowledge with that, it would be hard. I’m just thankful that my trading bot is now capable of margin trading even if I have less knowledge with it.

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March 14, 2019, 12:59:50 PM
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Same scenario here. When I thought I have sustained enough knowledge to do swing trade in bitmex, I lose all my funds, too. Nothing left. That is also the time I've come to realized that it is close as gambling. The only difference is that when whales entered the market, even the strongest indicators and TA will become worthless.
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March 14, 2019, 02:59:04 PM
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Same scenario here. When I thought I have sustained enough knowledge to do swing trade in bitmex, I lose all my funds, too. Nothing left. That is also the time I've come to realized that it is close as gambling. The only difference is that when whales entered the market, even the strongest indicators and TA will become worthless.

Whales are powerful than anything in this industry . thats the bad side of investing and trading in any markets not just on cryptos  . that is also the reason why i only prefer gambling because there is no known whales in the gambling scene . you can win or loose depending on your luck  .

You are right.
Trading with leverage is high risk.
Gambling with provably fair is better then using leverage.
I trade without leverage only.

Gambling with provably fair is fair but that doesnt mean that you can now win more often  .  in gambling luck do still matter the most  . though trading with leverage has the same risk as gambling  because both are unpredictable .
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March 14, 2019, 03:15:15 PM
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Trading is similar to that of gambling, it has got high risk in it. If the predictions about the games result get coincide with the prediction we'll get a good earning. If the same happens in the opposite way loss happens. With trading similar risk is there, but the same on borrowed money makes the trading process more difficult. Because, we're in a forced situation to invest on the right coin. Small mistake will cause a big loss and when it is borrowed on interest it is further loss.. In this regard it is better to go with gambling than leveraged trading.

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March 17, 2019, 07:30:11 PM
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Gambling is more effective than leveraged trading because the effect of people was or Hyatt to gambling more than trading that's why it will be more popular but in trading you can make the consistent profit but in yamli it will not been happened for anyone this is the main problem when comes to gambling.

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March 17, 2019, 08:11:35 PM
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Recently I tried leveraged trading for the first time at Bitmex, and ended up in a loss. It seemed similar to a gamble, where you deposit, place a bet and either win (and double) or lose everything. In leveraged trading, if you deposit & place an order and it reaches your liquidation level, you lose everything.

Gambling can't be compared to regular trading, as in regular trading, you don't win much and don't lose much either. However, if you're trading with leverage, then that trading can be considered something similar to a gamble.

You are right.
Trading with leverage is high risk.
Gambling with provably fair is better then using leverage.
I trade without leverage only.

It depends on the period. Where there are major bullish run with little spread across the markets, I'd say that is quite safe to have short positions even with leverage. Lot less painful than gambling.

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March 17, 2019, 08:20:12 PM
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You are right.
Trading with leverage is high risk.
Gambling with provably fair is better then using leverage.
I trade without leverage only.

Gambling with provably fair is fair but that doesnt mean that you can now win more often  .  in gambling luck do still matter the most  . though trading with leverage has the same risk as gambling  because both are unpredictable .
Yeah, gambling with provably fair is fair but in my own experience, it's still not fair that's why I don't like games with a provably fair method. I stick to the games where you can challenge your skills among to the other players and not to some luck based game. This is just my own opinion hope it doesn't bother to you or to anyone. Wink

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March 17, 2019, 08:33:39 PM
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You are right.
Trading with leverage is high risk.
Gambling with provably fair is better then using leverage.
I trade without leverage only.

Gambling with provably fair is fair but that doesnt mean that you can now win more often  .  in gambling luck do still matter the most  . though trading with leverage has the same risk as gambling  because both are unpredictable .
Yeah, gambling with provably fair is fair but in my own experience, it's still not fair that's why I don't like games with a provably fair method. I stick to the games where you can challenge your skills among to the other players and not to some luck based game. This is just my own opinion hope it doesn't bother to you or to anyone. Wink
Well its your preference but actually you are advertising some luck-based game gambling site  Grin well we do have our own preference but still people do likes to engage
into these games yet high probability on gaining big profits on a short or almost instant duration.Going back on topic about leverage trading, they do have similarities
in terms of gamble-like decision but on trading theres a certain analysis you can rely on.
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March 17, 2019, 08:59:51 PM
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Gambling is more effective than leveraged trading because the effect of people was or Hyatt to gambling more than trading that's why it will be more popular but in trading you can make the consistent profit but in yamli it will not been happened for anyone this is the main problem when comes to gambling.

You're wrong about all of it.
Gambling isn't more effective than leveraged trading unless you bet on a game of skill like poker and you're good at it. Trading can be really profitable if you know what you're doing like betting on a coin right before its fork. Bitcoin pumped when it split into BCH, BCH pumped when it split into SV, ETH pumped when they announced the fork.

You aren't making consistent profits from trading. Most people don't, especially in the bear market.
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March 18, 2019, 09:41:04 PM
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Trading is similar to that of gambling, it has got high risk in it. If the predictions about the games result get coincide with the prediction we'll get a good earning. If the same happens in the opposite way loss happens. With trading similar risk is there, but the same on borrowed money makes the trading process more difficult. Because, we're in a forced situation to invest on the right coin. Small mistake will cause a big loss and when it is borrowed on interest it is further loss.. In this regard it is better to go with gambling than leveraged trading.
You have a good view about trading and gambling and it is important we all know that both gambling and leverage trading cannot be predicted accurately but for to some extent one can easily predict leverage trading than gambling.
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March 19, 2019, 09:27:18 AM
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Recently I tried leveraged trading for the first time at Bitmex, and ended up in a loss. It seemed similar to a gamble, where you deposit, place a bet and either win (and double) or lose everything. In leveraged trading, if you deposit & place an order and it reaches your liquidation level, you lose everything.

Gambling can't be compared to regular trading, as in regular trading, you don't win much and don't lose much either. However, if you're trading with leverage, then that trading can be considered something similar to a gamble.

I can even add another point that proofs that they might be similar...
In gambling, you have house edge that determines that casino always wins.
In trading, you have transaction fees that determines that exchange always wins.

But here similarities ends. Because if trading you can increase probability of winning by various methods and experience. In gambling each system (other than putting all on red) decreases your probability of double.
Yea ... Martingale too - Does Martingale Work?
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April 08, 2019, 01:34:19 AM
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Well, you can say that casinos and leveraged trading  are co aidered gambling. It's just that we have a basis for leverage trading entries like technical analysis. In gambling, we only rely on luck and some martingale strategies which I do not often use.
I bet, you were so hasty to enter leveraged trading and did not used deeper analysis that is why you loss. You can not take lightly that kind of trading unlike gambling.
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April 08, 2019, 02:44:50 AM
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Indeed, I always thought trading and gambling in literal sense same. Although there is no pattern whatsoever in gambling since every roll (considering dice game) is unique, while in trading you can use TA or such.

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