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[igebotz]

Sure. It was bad last season nobody is saying different,,, but it is much worse now. If you read the club news and club pages, you see actually less angry fans but more sad fans.

I read about a guy who started going to matches since he was 3 years old, he and his father,,, and they never ever felt like walking out of stadium but this time, last game, they said the situation in the stadium was so toxic. Fans were actually fighting with each other. If you cheered, other people were booing you. He and his dad walked out because they were being abused.

This is different. Something is very toxic at the core now.

supporters have the right to feel upset and outraged, but I find it strange to see them leave the stadium before the final whistle; the players are already struggling psychologically, and they need the supporters' support now more than ever. If fans wish to protest or send a message to the owners and board members, they should do so before kickoff( Chelsea supporters do this all the time and never walked out from the stadium once)

It's already been a dreadful season, but there are still enough games to propel the team from the relegation zone to the top 10; if anything, now is the perfect time to support the team. I didn't like Ange's ball, but I believe he could have performed better this season.

[un_rank]

...If fans wish to protest or send a message to the owners and board members, they should do so before kickoff( Chelsea supporters do this all the time and never walked out from the stadium once)

To be fair Chelsea have not been as bad as Tottenham are in a very long time. Not supporting stadium walkouts or match boycotts but when you are treated to bad performances consistently not due to lack of quality but low effort and desire it can be frustrating.
With their quality of players Spurs are an easy top table team and maybe should be consistent in Europe.

I am sure their away support will be bouncing against Atletico to push them as far as they can in UCL.

- Jay -

[igebotz]

...If fans wish to protest or send a message to the owners and board members, they should do so before kickoff( Chelsea supporters do this all the time and never walked out from the stadium once)

To be fair Chelsea have not been as bad as Tottenham are in a very long time. Not supporting stadium walkouts or match boycotts but when you are treated to bad performances consistently not due to lack of quality but low effort and desire it can be frustrating.
With their quality of players Spurs are an easy top table team and maybe should be consistent in Europe.

I am sure their away support will be bouncing against Atletico to push them as far as they can in UCL.

We're a bigger club than Totteham, and we come into every season looking to compete and win trophies. We're not at the bottom of the table, but we've had more than three protests this season against the owners for poor results and decisions, whereas Totteham fans haven't protested once this season, and their club is just one point away from relegation.

We didn't play in the Champions League for three seasons, the longest absence since 2004. Different cubs have different priorities.

They need to bounce back for real, the players aren't doing enough and shame on them.

[leea-1334]

supporters have the right to feel upset and outraged, but I find it strange to see them leave the stadium before the final whistle; the players are already struggling psychologically, and they need the supporters' support now more than ever. If fans wish to protest or send a message to the owners and board members, they should do so before kickoff( Chelsea supporters do this all the time and never walked out from the stadium once)

It's already been a dreadful season, but there are still enough games to propel the team from the relegation zone to the top 10; if anything, now is the perfect time to support the team. I didn't like Ange's ball, but I believe he could have performed better this season.

This is my point,,, you always feel like you never walk out, but when the situation gets so toxic and hopeless until fans are fighting with themselves, I am reading and feeling sad, these guys who wrote said they walked out because FANS were abusing them.

Of course you can always say as a club you never walk out,,, but you must start to say this when your club is down and looking to go down even more This never happened to you, I believe, in all Premier League.

I bet you Manchester United fans never saw that they would even split up the fanbase 20 years ago but the club was going in directions many fans felt were toxic. Maybe now it is happening to us.

I can never say it for sure, I am only a virtual fan, never been out of my country so it always feels far away. Anyway,,, just hoping we get to the next game and win, only wins can save us now.

[igebotz]

This is my point,,, you always feel like you never walk out, but when the situation gets so toxic and hopeless until fans are fighting with themselves, I am reading and feeling sad, these guys who wrote said they walked out because FANS were abusing them.

Of course you can always say as a club you never walk out,,, but you must start to say this when your club is down and looking to go down even more This never happened to you, I believe, in all Premier League.

I bet you Manchester United fans never saw that they would even split up the fanbase 20 years ago but the club was going in directions many fans felt were toxic. Maybe now it is happening to us.

I can never say it for sure, I am only a virtual fan, never been out of my country so it always feels far away. Anyway,,, just hoping we get to the next game and win, only wins can save us now.

Why are walkout supporters often abusive to those who choose to stay? Do they believe those aren't enough fans, or do they feel betrayed by those who don't view stepping away as an option? Few supporters walking out of the stadium is normal; but 80% going out is insane.

I haven't been to my local club stadium since November cause they're just shit heads, watching them is a waste of time and resources. I don't have any right to judge Totteham fans. 

[Trofo]

I haven't been to my local club stadium since November cause they're just shit heads, watching them is a waste of time and resources. I don't have any right to judge Totteham fans. 

Spurs fans are great I was in, I guess, their pub in London when they were playing against Newcastle. They were all geared for the game and cheering at the beginning. Then they were 1:0 down, a bit of nerves crept in, then they were 2:0 down and mood started to change. I was a bit afraid some problems will start to rise but then when they were 3:0 they started having fun again and mostly on their own expanse. By the way that was the game when Newcastle had 5:0 on half time couple of seasons ago.

[leea-1334]

Why are walkout supporters often abusive to those who choose to stay? Do they believe those aren't enough fans, or do they feel betrayed by those who don't view stepping away as an option? Few supporters walking out of the stadium is normal; but 80% going out is insane.

I haven't been to my local club stadium since November cause they're just shit heads, watching them is a waste of time and resources. I don't have any right to judge Totteham fans. 

I think in this case,,, some fans want some players or managers out or want to peer pressure whole stadium to boo and not cheer. So when some fans loyally clap and cheer they get boo'd.

I guess I also do not understand what is the point, like you said, they felt betrayed, but yes when you see entire stadium walking out almost,,, that is toxic to the max.

[igebotz]

Spurs fans are great I was in, I guess, their pub in London when they were playing against Newcastle. They were all geared for the game and cheering at the beginning. Then they were 1:0 down, a bit of nerves crept in, then they were 2:0 down and mood started to change. I was a bit afraid some problems will start to rise but then when they were 3:0 they started having fun again and mostly on their own expanse. By the way that was the game when Newcastle had 5:0 on half time couple of seasons ago.

You don't wanna be around Chelsea or Manutd fans in that situation if you're a rival fan

You don't seem to like them anymore. At least I know you're not Chelsea, Arsenal, City or Manutd fan  where does your loyalty lies now? Don't tell me it your local club cause we all have one.

I think in this case,,, some fans want some players or managers out or want to peer pressure whole stadium to boo and not cheer. So when some fans loyally clap and cheer they get boo'd.

I guess I also do not understand what is the point, like you said, they felt betrayed, but yes when you see entire stadium walking out almost,,, that is toxic to the max.

This is true, but I don't think the players is the problem; the environment and training is the problem. I always tell people that the manager/coach is responsible for 80% of the club's success or downfall and I've been proving right every time. For instance, take a look at the Man United team; all the players were mentally dead with Amorim cause he wasn't doing enough to instill confidence in the team and he started putting blames on some players, went on a winless streaks, got sacked, Michael Carrick came in and dragged them from 9th to 3rd in less than 2 months with the same squad.

Yesterday the manager decided to be funny and started the 2nd goalkeeper, 10 minutes later he gave out two goals and sold out the team. I can bet my balls that no way Spusy survives this relegation with this Manager in charge.

VDN shouldn't be starting games, he's completely mentally dead, he should be sleeping in a psychotherapist office instead.

[leea-1334]

Spurs fans are great I was in, I guess, their pub in London when they were playing against Newcastle. They were all geared for the game and cheering at the beginning. Then they were 1:0 down, a bit of nerves crept in, then they were 2:0 down and mood started to change. I was a bit afraid some problems will start to rise but then when they were 3:0 they started having fun again and mostly on their own expanse. By the way that was the game when Newcastle had 5:0 on half time couple of seasons ago.

You should see Spurs fans in Asia,,, this is exactly the picture of the past, we were in Champions League losing 2-0 and it was sad, but after halftime everyone was kinda laughing at themselves and even saying 3-0, 4-0! It was a different era in the time,,, we had Poch and our football was great.

I think in this case,,, some fans want some players or managers out or want to peer pressure whole stadium to boo and not cheer. So when some fans loyally clap and cheer they get boo'd.

I guess I also do not understand what is the point, like you said, they felt betrayed, but yes when you see entire stadium walking out almost,,, that is toxic to the max.

This is true, but I don't think the players is the problem; the environment and training is the problem. I always tell people that the manager/coach is responsible for 80% of the club's success or downfall and I've been proving right every time. For instance, take a look at the Man United team; all the players were mentally dead with Amorim cause he wasn't doing enough to instill confidence in the team and he started putting blames on some players, went on a winless streaks, got sacked, Michael Carrick came in and dragged them from 9th to 3rd in less than 2 months with the same squad.

Yesterday the manager decided to be funny and started the 2nd goalkeeper, 10 minutes later he gave out two goals and sold out the team. I can bet my balls that no way Spusy survives this relegation with this Manager in charge.

VDN shouldn't be starting games, he's completely mentally dead, he should be sleeping in a psychotherapist office instead.

Root cause os managers 100% but the layer on top of that sometimes is toxic players or just mentally dead ones like VDN as you say

Yes we have a shit manager and problematic club but look at our best player at the moment, not talent wise but effort and mentality,,, Archie Gray

He is like a transformer, coaches use him in 10 different positions, his club is shit,,, but he does not complain ever and just keeps playing his maximum and is the only one pressing and chasing when even veterans are jogging like senior citizens.

Give us 11 Archie Grays and we will win without a manager  

[darxiaomi]

I dont know how this is gonna end for Totenham for me they are gonna stay on Premier League and this is gonna be another bad season and nothing more, despite the bad luck with injuries they have in this season (Maddison Kulusevsky and the list can go on) they also need to stop doing silly decissions, i mean how you can hire Tudor as a coach for a moment like this? He is horrible.

[BABY SHOES]

I dont know how this is gonna end for Totenham for me they are gonna stay on Premier League and this is gonna be another bad season and nothing more, despite the bad luck with injuries they have in this season (Maddison Kulusevsky and the list can go on) they also need to stop doing silly decissions, i mean how you can hire Tudor as a coach for a moment like this? He is horrible.

Tottenham's situation is on the verge of collapse, maybe this team can survive in the Premier league is not much different from the previous season which in the end Tottenham can still be saved.

Tudor needs to be fired again to overcome all this? He is indeed a bad coach, a long list of injured players that triggered this team to lose continuously... Tudor should not be too stupid in this line-up, it is clearly detrimental to the team.

[igebotz]

Root cause os managers 100% but the layer on top of that sometimes is toxic players or just mentally dead ones like VDN as you say

Yes we have a shit manager and problematic club but look at our best player at the moment, not talent wise but effort and mentality,,, Archie Gray

He is like a transformer, coaches use him in 10 different positions, his club is shit,,, but he does not complain ever and just keeps playing his maximum and is the only one pressing and chasing when even veterans are jogging like senior citizens.

Give us 11 Archie Grays and we will win without a manager 

Is Archie Gray is the only one playing to win games then what are the rest of the players doing in training? Too many problems in the team and all the manager could think of was  removing the 1st team goalkeeper for some kid.

If Mourinho was still your manager, the players would have been placed under strict rules; you're not winning games and you're still on social media. I remember one time our players were shit, Mou started charging fees for late coming changed their entire diets and banned them on social media. Sometimes all you need to revive the players is a ruthless manager.

[leea-1334]

Give us 11 Archie Grays and we will win without a manager 

Is Archie Gray is the only one playing to win games then what are the rest of the players doing in training? Too many problems in the team and all the manager could think of was  removing the 1st team goalkeeper for some kid.

If Mourinho was still your manager, the players would have been placed under strict rules; you're not winning games and you're still on social media. I remember one time our players were shit, Mou started charging fees for late coming changed their entire diets and banned them on social media. Sometimes all you need to revive the players is a ruthless manager.

Well not everybody else but more than half the team playing in the lowest form and effort,,, it is clear. I remember same in Manchester United, great players like Bruno Fernandez played like shit then immediately after changed manager or whatever can run 2x more in next game.

I agree, we should need a manager like Mourinho, strict and wasting time shaking butt on tiktok.

[igebotz]

Well not everybody else but more than half the team playing in the lowest form and effort,,, it is clear. I remember same in Manchester United, great players like Bruno Fernandez played like shit then immediately after changed manager or whatever can run 2x more in next game.

I agree, we should need a manager like Mourinho, strict and wasting time shaking butt on tiktok.

Still baffles me how Totteham looked like a league contender in the first 10 games of the season to struggling at the relegation border after 29 games needs to be studied in the university.

Maybe Thomas Frank could have turned the season around who knows- abandoning Brentford wasn't a smart choice I guess.

Well, what are your chances against this mentality dead Liverpool side this weekend? That is a must win game.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Well, what are your chances against this mentality dead Liverpool side this weekend? That is a must win game.

We are terrible and it is not going to get any better until Slot gets sacked. The players have given up on him and when that happens you only ever fix it by sacking the manager.

Spurs are worse than us though so I expect us to win. I wouldn’t bet on it though. You might call this game on Sunday El Shitico.

[Hhampuz]

Well, what are your chances against this mentality dead Liverpool side this weekend? That is a must win game.

We are terrible and it is not going to get any better until Slot gets sacked. The players have given up on him and when that happens you only ever fix it by sacking the manager.

Spurs are worse than us though so I expect us to win. I wouldn’t bet on it though. You might call this game on Sunday El Shitico.

Saw a funny tiktok about this game and how it could be the first in history where both teams lose 0-3 

[igebotz]

Well, what are your chances against this mentality dead Liverpool side this weekend? That is a must win game.

We are terrible and it is not going to get any better until Slot gets sacked. The players have given up on him and when that happens you only ever fix it by sacking the manager.

Spurs are worse than us though so I expect us to win. I wouldn’t bet on it though. You might call this game on Sunday El Shitico.

If you want to know if a Liverpool Manager is doing well or not, just look at Salah's form - he has never been this bad in the Liverpool jersey. It says a lot about the system; he is the backbone of the attack and if the system isn't working for him, the whole team suffers.

The Totteham side are both psychologically and mentally dead. A must win game for both teams I guess- my money on Liverpool

Something from buwaytress

Slot did give Salah his best season individually.... and then rugpilled him

[darbitmobilerecovery]

We can all realize we have a 5% of chances to see Totenham in relegation positions in this round? They are lucky because West Ham which is currently in the last relegation position play against Manchester City, because as far as i can see for me Totenham is gonna lose against Liverpool and extend their shit strike of loses.

[KTChampions]

We can all realize we have a 5% of chances to see Totenham in relegation positions in this round? They are lucky because West Ham which is currently in the last relegation position play against Manchester City, because as far as i can see for me Totenham is gonna lose against Liverpool and extend their shit strike of loses.

The odds for City to take all 3 points are quite generous, by the way – 1.69, but even that odds don’t appeal to me. It seems to me that after the defeat by Real and before the return match, City could find themselves in a trap in tomorrow’s game and lose points.
Liverpool are playing at home, but their odds against Tottenham are even more questionable at 1.27. Tottenham are rubbish, but Liverpool aren't exactly shining either, and they're in a tough spot in the Champions League.

[tiCeR]

Well, what are your chances against this mentality dead Liverpool side this weekend? That is a must win game.

We are terrible and it is not going to get any better until Slot gets sacked. The players have given up on him and when that happens you only ever fix it by sacking the manager.

Spurs are worse than us though so I expect us to win. I wouldn’t bet on it though. You might call this game on Sunday El Shitico.

It is not that I really like to do this, but you said the Spurs are worse than LFC, aren't the Wolves worse than LFC? Admittedly the match was played in Wolverhampton, but still beyond me how Liverpool lost it. Those points will be immensely missed at the end of the season.