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June 22, 2018, 04:36:21 PM
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So, the latest buzzword in Bitcoin is manipulation. Has anyone worked out how much money and bitcoins is needed to trigger

a change in the buy and sell behaviour of traders on exchanges? I know the Silkroad Auction did not make a significant impact

on the price and the same goes for the odd coins that were sold from the MtGox hoard. How many coins can individuals dump

on exchanges to push the price down like this? How long can they sustain such an action to sabotage the price? These are

questions that are very relative at the moment.  Roll Eyes

If the SEC says that the high price increase of last year was manipulation, then they must bring the proof. Let's do our own

informal assessment of the situation and determine what would be needed to cause that kind of a spike in the price.  Wink

If you want to influence the price or to change the either it will be dumping or pumping then it will be depending on the coin, the prices of bitcoins today is dumping because there are a lot of people who prefer to sell their coins on the market more than investing.

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June 22, 2018, 06:02:58 PM
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If you want to do that, you need a lot of money, maybe $1milion? Really, really big you need to influence the price, although in a small percentage.
1 million is chump change for these kinds of moves in my head. I believe you need at least 10 million, if not 100 million with a few other individuals. Then you can really move the needle, whereas 1 million may only cause a small intraday swing.

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June 22, 2018, 06:13:38 PM
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I would say, thousands of Bitcoin, hundreds of thousand to be able to manipulate the price of Bitcoin but my biggest concern is why the hell they should pay more to be able to manipulate the price? Does they get something in return while doing this? I think maybe because they wouldn't do it if they won't get any in return. And just like the news that's coming, did JP Morgan really manipulate the price of cryptocurrency?
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June 22, 2018, 06:17:28 PM
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Then it would really need to be a huge amount of funds. Because the manipulator needs to pump from the major exchange so as to make it reflect at at all markets. Anyways a group of people can do that as well. I also red an article that said USDT was used to manipulate the price in last year. Don't know how true that is though!

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June 22, 2018, 07:08:58 PM
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I would say, thousands of Bitcoin, hundreds of thousand to be able to manipulate the price of Bitcoin but my biggest concern is why the hell they should pay more to be able to manipulate the price? Does they get something in return while doing this? I think maybe because they wouldn't do it if they won't get any in return. And just like the news that's coming, did JP Morgan really manipulate the price of cryptocurrency?

I don't know JP Morgan really manipulate the price of cryptocurrency .If they manipulate the price of bitcoin,they can make the new people panic and make them to sell at low price.And also they will get the bitcoin from the people who need money at the price crisis time.They are to force to buy at low price.
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June 25, 2018, 05:31:48 AM
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So, the latest buzzword in Bitcoin is manipulation. Has anyone worked out how much money and bitcoins is needed to trigger

a change in the buy and sell behaviour of traders on exchanges? I know the Silkroad Auction did not make a significant impact

on the price and the same goes for the odd coins that were sold from the MtGox hoard. How many coins can individuals dump

on exchanges to push the price down like this? How long can they sustain such an action to sabotage the price? These are

questions that are very relative at the moment.  Roll Eyes

If the SEC says that the high price increase of last year was manipulation, then they must bring the proof. Let's do our own

informal assessment of the situation and determine what would be needed to cause that kind of a spike in the price.  Wink

If you want to influence the price or to change the either it will be dumping or pumping then it will be depending on the coin, the prices of bitcoins today is dumping because there are a lot of people who prefer to sell their coins on the market more than investing.
Well I think you really don’t need to work for this pumping or dumping thing. Reason is simple, these two things are quite helpful for you. When it comes to make some money, get some little money and buy bitcoin. And when prices start moving up, don’t just be panic and wait for the long lasting period of prices where high profits can be obtained. So just sell them and make handsome outcome.

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June 27, 2018, 06:48:09 AM
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If you want to do that, you need a lot of money, maybe $1milion? Really, really big you need to influence the price, although in a small percentage.
1 million is chump change for these kinds of moves in my head. I believe you need at least 10 million, if not 100 million with a few other individuals. Then you can really move the needle, whereas 1 million may only cause a small intraday swing.
A single person by himself can't move the price of a currency, no matter how much effort he is making. If many people are investing and trust the same currency, then with the help of all the people the price of a currency can move up or down. A currency must have its own properties and benefits so that people feel comfortable while using it, only then the currency can be successful.
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Certainly whales can control and manipulate the market, because they can both buy and sell and they influence the market by 50%, the rest belongs to the miners.




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September 25, 2018, 01:42:44 PM
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So, the latest buzzword in Bitcoin is manipulation. Has anyone worked out how much money and bitcoins is needed to trigger a change in the buy and sell behaviour of traders on exchanges?

No one can give you a precise answer as things get heavily complicated when you start to explore them in depth. There are many factors at play here which you simply can't consider in their entirety and interrelations. For example, when the price rises, there may be a tipping point somewhere on the price scale when any amount of coins sent into the orderbook will tip the scales in the downward direction, and then an avalanche of selling panic-orders will follow. And it is equally true when the price bottoms as even the smallest amount of new money can turn the trend in the opposite direction.

It is the same with the market sentiment, on a horizontal scale, so to speak. If it is strong and powerful (whatever direction), it would take plenty of money to turn in backwards. On the other hand, if there is uncertainty in the market and the trend is not established, small orders can easily change the direction where the price goes. As you can see, there cannot possibly be a simple and comprehensive answer to your question.

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September 25, 2018, 01:51:56 PM
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Certainly whales can control and manipulate the market, because they can both buy and sell and they influence the market by 50%, the rest belongs to the miners.

Its hard to say the exact amount needed to influence the market but I think whales can really do that. Actually, you can influence the market not just because of you money but also because of you career, job, or if you’re a well know person by just telling some word about cryptocurrency. This market can easily be influence, by money but mostly by the news.
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So, the latest buzzword in Bitcoin is manipulation. Has anyone worked out how much money and bitcoins is needed to trigger

a change in the buy and sell behaviour of traders on exchanges? I know the Silkroad Auction did not make a significant impact

on the price and the same goes for the odd coins that were sold from the MtGox hoard. How many coins can individuals dump

on exchanges to push the price down like this? How long can they sustain such an action to sabotage the price? These are

questions that are very relative at the moment.  Roll Eyes

If the SEC says that the high price increase of last year was manipulation, then they must bring the proof. Let's do our own

informal assessment of the situation and determine what would be needed to cause that kind of a spike in the price.  Wink

to start or expect a price to go down or up, and only with money, I think you're wrong, the effect of this manipulation is greater than expected. The effects are given individually especially if they are easy to panic, it can make the market turn from what we expect the price

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If the SEC says that the high price increase of last year was manipulation, then they must bring the proof. Let's do our own

informal assessment of the situation and determine what would be needed to cause that kind of a spike in the price.  Wink
Manipulation or not but reaching out those prices is somehow questionable because certain things reaching out that range on a shorter timeframe cant be achieved out by traditional assets that why people who are engage into non so volatile things will have those jurisdiction.


I think maybe it could be up to $ 1 million to be able to affect the price in the market
As of writing BTC had overall marketcap on those value below.

$114,948,065,347

How would 1M usd would affect the price? We are talking billions here. BILLIONS!

Yes we are talking billions, but what's really involved? What do you think a marketcap of billions really means?
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I think that the price of bitcoin does not raise speculatively, it grows only due to demand ! but oldoini I think to raise will not be difficult !

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If the SEC says that the high price increase of last year was manipulation, then they must bring the proof. Let's do our own

informal assessment of the situation and determine what would be needed to cause that kind of a spike in the price.  Wink
Manipulation or not but reaching out those prices is somehow questionable because certain things reaching out that range on a shorter timeframe cant be achieved out by traditional assets that why people who are engage into non so volatile things will have those jurisdiction.


I think maybe it could be up to $ 1 million to be able to affect the price in the market
As of writing BTC had overall marketcap on those value below.

$114,948,065,347

How would 1M usd would affect the price? We are talking billions here. BILLIONS!

Yes we are talking billions, but what's really involved? What do you think a marketcap of billions really means?
it is not only about money to shake bitcoin price in market.we need to able manage negative news from any source in order to make investor and holder panic.both of them could not separate if we want to have influence to price.
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Yes we are talking billions, but what's really involved? What do you think a marketcap of billions really means?
it is not only about money to shake bitcoin price in market.we need to able manage negative news from any source in order to make investor and holder panic.both of them could not separate if we want to have influence to price.
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September 26, 2018, 08:03:50 AM
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As of writing BTC had overall marketcap on those value below.

$114,948,065,347

How would 1M usd would affect the price? We are talking billions here. BILLIONS!

Yes we are talking billions, but what's really involved? What do you think a marketcap of billions really means?

It is just a number. As such it is mostly meaningless, though it can be useful when comparing the market cap of bitcoin with that of other coins. Obviously, there are no hundreds of billions invested in bitcoin or any other coin, which is what some people think market cap shows. Some people bought bitcoin when it cost literally cents, some people didn't buy it at all. And if we count only what was actually invested minus disinvested later at whatever price, the number should be much smaller. Maybe, on the order of a few billion dollars all in all.

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September 26, 2018, 04:46:38 PM
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As of writing BTC had overall marketcap on those value below.

$114,948,065,347

How would 1M usd would affect the price? We are talking billions here. BILLIONS!

Yes we are talking billions, but what's really involved? What do you think a marketcap of billions really means?

It is just a number. As such it is mostly meaningless, though it can be useful when comparing the market cap of bitcoin with that of other coins. Obviously, there are no hundreds of billions invested in bitcoin or any other coin, which is what some people think market cap shows. Some people bought bitcoin when it cost literally cents, some people didn't buy it at all. And if we count only what was actually invested minus disinvested later at whatever price, the number should be much smaller. Maybe, on the order of a few billion dollars all in all.

I agree, the true market cap is surely nowhere near as high. There's may not be as much money in Bitcoin/Crypto as people think there is. I suspect that even daily volume is just as blurry.
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September 26, 2018, 06:40:56 PM
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I admit that my money is not enough to influence the price, but I will just keep on hodling as much as possible and as much as I can so I can contribute with the value even in a little way I can.

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