[NEM] ---NEM stake complaint, questions etc.---

[utopianfuture]

Post here if you have complaints, questions or appeals about your NEM stakeholder's status.

Update +discussion  thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426303.0
Stakeholder list is here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlidWok7hW0DdFRROFFGVUpwcFFXcHVCdGc0a3NuQVE&usp=drive_web#gid=9 so please read it carefully first.

the ultimate proof for your stakeholder's status is your transaction to NEM's account and the proof that you owns the sending address of that transaction. So don't worry if you did send your money to join NEM but has not yet appear in the list because we will make it right in the end. But be patient when we work things out.

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[jkoil]

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My name has also disappered from the stake holder list
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlidWok7hW0DdDZ0amZpM00wQXhrR2lJM3pCOGRhNFE#gid=1

It has been there many days,
since 1 - 2 days after these:

Sent 250 NXT
TX : ...


Edit:  ...     11152111273892066130

http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=2000&tra=11152111273892066130

And where it was came from:
7773992198041886861

Thanks

What has happened?

[therealbigcoin]

ok here again i got this message:

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I like Utopia, hope you dont use this Name for a scam (you already got min 20 btc hope your not loving to get it over the mountains ^^)

Anyway im in and that 40 $ Investment is done Wink

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So how does this go on? Do i receive some coins soon , or do i now hold shares of your Project?

Greetings
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[utopianfuture]

Currently Kooream is working on an audition of Registration Thread 1 so there will be no change in thread 1 stakeholder list until the audition is over (in 1-2 days). But I will deal with issues from registration thread 2 as soon as I can.
Ultimately everything should work out as I kick all the fraudsters out and keep the legitimate stakeholders in our list.

Thanks

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[dave5555]

We have a no reserve rule to combat fraudsters.

I am not trying to make a reserve spot, I want to invest the NXT now before it goes up.  I just want to make sure it's ok with you that I am using this account to invest the NXT on behalf of someone else.

sorry we stick by 1 account/ 1 share.

So by what I understand: Make NXT account for friend > send NXT there > make another bitcointalk account > invest NXT and post on new account.

I am not trying to be a "fraudster".   I am invested in NXT already and am running 2 nodes for NXT.  I am spreading word about NEM but most of the people I know are not very cryptocurrency knowledgeable but are very interested in crypto since I've been mentioning it to them.
I like the idea of fair, that's how I run my life in real world.  I am a very balanced and fair person.
I have an account in nextcoin.org under LemonAndFries where I make most of my posts if you'd like to check.

^^^ so thats the confusion about getting a stake for my friend.

[utopianfuture]

We have a no reserve rule to combat fraudsters.

I am not trying to make a reserve spot, I want to invest the NXT now before it goes up.  I just want to make sure it's ok with you that I am using this account to invest the NXT on behalf of someone else.

sorry we stick by 1 account/ 1 share.

So by what I understand: Make NXT account for friend > send NXT there > make another bitcointalk account > invest NXT and post on new account.

I am not trying to be a "fraudster".   I am invested in NXT already and am running 2 nodes for NXT.  I am spreading word about NEM but most of the people I know are not very cryptocurrency knowledgeable but are very interested in crypto since I've been mentioning it to them.
I like the idea of fair, that's how I run my life in real world.  I am a very balanced and fair person.
I have an account in nextcoin.org under LemonAndFries where I make most of my posts if you'd like to check.

^^^ so thats the confusion about getting a stake for my friend.

Yes that should be the way because your friend represents the new account. So make a new account for him and reserve a stake from that account. You can send NXT from the same address as well (maximum 2 stake per address).

1 NEM share would have > 1 million NEM. So there are many to share. No need to buy a lot of stakes. Thanks for supporting NEM.

[dave5555]

Yes that should be the way because your friend represents the new account. So make a new account for him and reserve a stake from that account. You can send NXT from the same address as well (maximum 2 stake per address).

1 NEM share would have > 1 million NEM. So there are many to share. No need to buy a lot of stakes. Thanks for supporting NEM.

Thank you for clearing this up.  I will get to it as soon as possible.

For the greedy it might be good for a while, but they will always lose out in the end. That's my philosophy and experience.

[Fastpow]

Post here if you have complaints, questions or appeals about your NEM stakeholder's status.

Main registration thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.0
Stakeholder list is here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlidWok7hW0DdDZ0amZpM00wQXhrR2lJM3pCOGRhNFE#gid=0 ; so please read it carefully first.

the ultimate proof for your stakeholder's status is your transaction to NEM's account and the proof that you owns the sending address of that transaction. So don't worry if you did send your money to join NEM but has not yet appear in the list because we will make it right in the end. But be patient when we work things out.

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The people from thread 2 aren't intented to be on the list yet right?

[utopianfuture]

Post here if you have complaints, questions or appeals about your NEM stakeholder's status.

Main registration thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.0
Stakeholder list is here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlidWok7hW0DdDZ0amZpM00wQXhrR2lJM3pCOGRhNFE#gid=0 ; so please read it carefully first.

the ultimate proof for your stakeholder's status is your transaction to NEM's account and the proof that you owns the sending address of that transaction. So don't worry if you did send your money to join NEM but has not yet appear in the list because we will make it right in the end. But be patient when we work things out.

UP

The people from thread 2 aren't intented to be on the list yet right?

Why ? stakeholder list = registration thread 1 +2

[tron666]

Currently Kooream is working on an audition of Registration Thread 1 so there will be no change in thread 1 stakeholder list until the audition is over (in 1-2 days). But I will deal with issues from registration thread 2 as soon as I can.
Ultimately everything should work out as I kick all the fraudsters out and keep the legitimate stakeholders in our list.

Thanks

UP

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[panonym]

Nice.
I do hope you have dev skills to improve the software-to-be by yourself.
And that a big part of the money you receive is intended as dev bounties.
(is it?)

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I have a wish.
I'd like to get an awesome messaging system. A priority messaging system.

For me free message is optional. (trouble of spam & oversized message flooding the blockchain size)
Should have a minimal fee to send your message.
Ideally:
- minimal fee to send a message (either divided between all in PoS, or destroyed).
- AND a minimal fee that is send to the receiver of the message.

Case scenario example: (with x = minimal fee)
Alice send a message to Bob: pay x fee & give nothing to Bob => arrive in spam imbox
Alice send a message to Bob: pay x fee & give x to Bob => arrive in general imbox
Alice send a message to Bob: pay x fee & give 2~1000 x to Bob => arrive in priority imbox, with a level system.

Point:
If I urgently need to contact you/someone, I pay 0.20~20$ and I am sure to get a quality answer ASAP.
I pay to contact you, I get pay for reading you.

Awesome if - on top of that - you manage to build an alert on regular smtp email.
(just informing "you received a message in your NEM general imbox").

[utopianfuture]

Nice.
I do hope you have dev skills to improve the software-to-be by yourself.
And that a big part of the money you receive is intended as dev bounties.
(is it?)

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I have a wish.
I'd like to get an awesome messaging system. A priority messaging system.

For me free message is optional. (trouble of spam & oversized message flooding the blockchain size)
Should have a minimal fee to send your message.
Ideally:
- minimal fee to send a message (either divided between all in PoS, or destroyed).
- AND a minimal fee that is send to the receiver of the message.

Case scenario example: (with x = minimal fee)
Alice send a message to Bob: pay x fee & give nothing to Bob => arrive in spam imbox
Alice send a message to Bob: pay x fee & give x to Bob => arrive in general imbox
Alice send a message to Bob: pay x fee & give 2~1000 x to Bob => arrive in priority imbox, with a level system.

Point:
If I urgently need to contact you/someone, I pay 0.20~20$ and I am sure to get a quality answer ASAP.
I pay to contact you, I get pay for reading you.

Awesome if - on top of that - you manage to build an alert on regular smtp email.
(just informing "you received a message in your NEM general imbox").

Hey go to update/ discusison thread for this post. We are mainly dealing with complaints here

[utopianfuture]

ok here again i got this message:

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I like Utopia, hope you dont use this Name for a scam (you already got min 20 btc hope your not loving to get it over the mountains ^^)

Anyway im in and that 40 $ Investment is done Wink

Proof: e6d25587911ed4f6f6e8aacbe81a2dffe7f4c417e4b8877ecd7cdab528f1e4d6

So how does this go on? Do i receive some coins soon , or do i now hold shares of your Project?

Greetings
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Hi could you make a new post in the registration thread 2 and refer this post there. I will add you in the next update in that position (no need to send anything more). Sorry for the inconvenience.

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[hyunsookmom]

why is kooream in charge of auditing as he seems to be a newbie himself. If so he might accidentally miss all the sock puppet accounts he made

[utopianfuture]

why is kooream in charge of auditing as he seems to be a newbie himself. If so he might accidentally miss all the sock puppet accounts he made

You can do it too. All information is public

[jkoil]

What has happened?

maybe the reason is in one alphabet :

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlidWok7hW0DdDZ0amZpM00wQXhrR2lJM3pCOGRhNFE#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlidWok7hW0DdDZ0amZpM00wQXhrR2lJM3pCOGRhNFE#gid=1

The first one contains that what I'd expected:)
Somehow browser suggested the second address, when wrote "stake".
So, likely my case is ok:)
 

[DrSweizer]

Hello mr utopian!

My brother told me that you put me among the cheaters list in this nem thing.
What have I done wrong? :O
Sorr but Im not good at these BTC thing, I only using ripple and sent the proper ammount of btc from one of my wallet. And I choosed Bitstamp as a gateway so you can see only that the money came from Bitstamp, because ripple using that for btc sending.

Because of this I just see that the ammount has been sent to there, I dont see any transaction, because ripple isnt connected to bitcoin directly only throught Bitstamp.

I only saw the blockchain info and when I saw a new transaction I copied the url, my brother later than told me that it wasnt the proper transaction url because the Bitstamp sending btc from and address with a lot of bitcoins, more than 100-200, and that address had only 1-2 bitcoins. So we parsed the transactions and when we saw 1 transactions what could belonged to bitstamp I coped that url and edited my post:
https://blockchain.info/address/1Fb93mDfVbTqabpKiUfxGbmaHuTLYWqH7H

How ever it can be that I did the mistake unfortunately Sad
And unfortunately we wasnt sent directly from our main ripple address so we have 0 evidence to confirm that.
If want you can delete me on the list, maybe then I will send btc from an other address what I will make later, but the fees as I see now higher.

[utopianfuture]

Hello mr utopian!

My brother told me that you put me among the cheaters list in this nem thing.
What have I done wrong? :O
Sorr but Im not good at these BTC thing, I only using ripple and sent the proper ammount of btc from one of my wallet. And I choosed Bitstamp as a gateway so you can see only that the money came from Bitstamp, because ripple using that for btc sending.

Because of this I just see that the ammount has been sent to there, I dont see any transaction, because ripple isnt connected to bitcoin directly only throught Bitstamp.

I only saw the blockchain info and when I saw a new transaction I copied the url, my brother later than told me that it wasnt the proper transaction url because the Bitstamp sending btc from and address with a lot of bitcoins, more than 100-200, and that address had only 1-2 bitcoins. So we parsed the transactions and when we saw 1 transactions what could belonged to bitstamp I coped that url and edited my post:
https://blockchain.info/address/1Fb93mDfVbTqabpKiUfxGbmaHuTLYWqH7H

How ever it can be that I did the mistake unfortunately Sad
And unfortunately we wasnt sent directly from our main ripple address so we have 0 evidence to confirm that.
If want you can delete me on the list, maybe then I will send btc from an other address what I will make later, but the fees as I see now higher.

Here are two users who used the same hash

254   DrSweizer   eb94ee3c0d5a66284b3f1625270a8136d969c37613b71d34f570dac8868bcedd
263   rhythmic   eb94ee3c0d5a66284b3f1625270a8136d969c37613b71d34f570dac8868bcedd  (HASH check reference sheet)

Both have PM me saying they made that transaction. None has provided a conclusive evidence of owning that transaction including

1. sign the transaction with the account name
2. or send  a very small amount from the sending address to prove the ownership of the sending address

rhythmic is an account belonging to a forum veteran, and therefore following the established criterion in the case two users having the same hash (veteran account is the first prioritization and posting the hash first is the second prioritization) -   rhythmic is given a stake while DrSweizer is label "fraudster"

Now it is up to the two parties to establish a conclusive evidence to reserve the above decision. Make it public so every NEM stakeholders can witness. Thanks.

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[tron666]

I have been following the nem threads and am amazed at the lengths some people go to get a bigger stake.  Whole family members down to toddlers are apparently getting in on this.  Peoples greed has no limit.  Devs are doing a really good job at trying to keep it fair but it seems the parasites are allways close by.  Some of the stories here stagger the imagination.  I have teen kids that im getting involved in crypto.  I get them to mine the easy coins like ccoin where they see how things work and can get some blocks with relatively low hash.  I will share my stake with them and not try to swindle out a stake for some made up family members and friends.  Why cant you people do the same???

[parallel38]

I sent 40 nxt and posted relevant information in page 42 of the first thread (link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422129.msg4686582#msg4686582)

but when i looked at the stakeholder list i saw that my name didn't have a Y behind it.

link to blockchain explorer: http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=2000&tra=3909252813797837342

what should i do to confirm that it is my account?