Bitcoin prices are controlled. Accidentally or intentionally?

[asdnguyenthanhtin]

When the market falls long term. The market has few new investors, the old investors are no as interested as before. Volume is very low. That makes the profit from exchange are reduced ( Huge whales are big exchages )
To compensate for the declining profit. The whales and the exchanges are linked together to control the margin. Currently, Margin has a large volume (Bitmex no.1 volume). That's why most of the time the bitcoin chart are U-shaped

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[BillyBobZorton]

There are clear boom and boost cycles in Bitcoin, they are useful to shed out all the noobs and leave only the strongest holders that know what they are dealing with. There's a lot of people holding Bitcoin that don't deserve to hold Bitcoin because they don't understand it, so these will be forced to panic sell. Governments and whales will keep stacking up on coins, then they will declare it world reserve currency and then the noobs that sold will complain that Bitcoin is controlled by a small elite.

[darewaller]

When the market falls long term. The market has few new investors, the old investors are no as interested as before. Volume is very low. That makes the profit from exchange are reduced ( Huge whales are big exchages )
To compensate for the declining profit. The whales and the exchanges are linked together to control the margin. Currently, Margin has a large volume (Bitmex no.1 volume). That's why most of the time the bitcoin chart are U-shaped

They can be controlled both intentionally and accidentally. There are whales that invest huge amounts of money with the intention of increasing the price of Bitcoin. Since they are aware that the price can be controlled by the rate of demand, they just put in a big amount intentionally and when the price goes up, they will withdraw their money with the profit, causing the price to fall again.

There are people with no bad intention, their plan is just to invest a huge amount of money before the price goes up to make better profit, and when they invest, the price will boost immediately.

[ultrloa]

When the market falls long term. The market has few new investors, the old investors are no as interested as before. Volume is very low. That makes the profit from exchange are reduced ( Huge whales are big exchages )
To compensate for the declining profit. The whales and the exchanges are linked together to control the margin. Currently, Margin has a large volume (Bitmex no.1 volume). That's why most of the time the bitcoin chart are U-shaped

They can be controlled both intentionally and accidentally. There are whales that invest huge amounts of money with the intention of increasing the price of Bitcoin. Since they are aware that the price can be controlled by the rate of demand, they just put in a big amount intentionally and when the price goes up, they will withdraw their money with the profit, causing the price to fall again.

There are people with no bad intention, their plan is just to invest a huge amount of money before the price goes up to make better profit, and when they invest, the price will boost immediately.

Yeah on intention matters BTC price can really be held by anyone and that has been proven by so many years when whales try to move and spread some fuds so that the price may fall at their convenient price but for now maybe this one is due to unintentional matters since maybe some of the investors has been afraid of those past news of regulation and certain government interference.

[bitlind]

We all know that song mystic Whales are manipulating the price of Bitcoin,  and still bitcoin has a great affect on all of other cryptocurrencies, so basically I can tell the biggest guys with biggest portfolios, can swing the market.

[darkangel11]

I think both. I've just read today about mt.Gox trustee saying that he wasn't selling at the times when funds were moved out of gox wallets and that he wasn't selling on public exchange at all, but his timings correlated with price dumps, so this is a great example of accidental market manipulation where his actions induced panic on the market.
Intentional manipulation? We also had a lot of that starting with Willy bot, and recently with that article that was meant to defame tether and extend the bear market.

[PROFIT_REVIEW]

Most likely on the contrary, the price of bitcoin is controlled only by people who do not know what to do now, because everyone's opinion is divergent. Whales now do absolutely nothing.

[Rahar02]

Yes, it's intentionally. We have alleged that market manipulation is rampant by some groups of big investors and/or exchanges itself.
Traders and/or exchanges can place millions of orders without executing it, which can influence prices movement.
It happens due to lack of regulations and limited oversight of manipulative trading, spoofing and wash trading.
In spoofing, a trader submits a spate of orders and then cancels them once prices move in the desired direction. Wash trades involve cheaters trading with themselves to give a false impression of market demand that lures other to dive in too.

[farosa]

Yes, when the price goes back, the whales have a big role, and of course, when the price falls. By the other way, human psychology also plays a role here. Ex : noobs who are not understand what is the trade, they start to sell when they see red.

[pitiflin]

When the market falls long term. The market has few new investors, the old investors are no as interested as before. Volume is very low. That makes the profit from exchange are reduced ( Huge whales are big exchages )
To compensate for the declining profit. The whales and the exchanges are linked together to control the margin. Currently, Margin has a large volume (Bitmex no.1 volume). That's why most of the time the bitcoin chart are U-shaped

Don't jump to the conclusion that old investors aren't as interested as before, if that had been the case, the stock market would have disappeared in 1929, thanks to The Great Depression. Bitcoin prices are determined by the market demand and supply. But for causing false demand and supply, one person places just buys and sells his bitcoin for the same price to make it look like more funds are entering the market when in reality it is not. This is intentional. But when traders try to sell their coins at a profit, they just place different orders at different prices and seeing to that, the demand and supply is somehow influenced to cause the prices to change. This is sort of accidental. There are more cases to these, but you can never properly known if the prices are controlled or not. Another case that comes to my mind is that, when Jamie Dimon spread the fake news about bitcoin back in September, just so that he could buy a lot of bitcoins, you see the intention.

[BitHodler]

Most likely on the contrary, the price of bitcoin is controlled only by people who do not know what to do now, because everyone's opinion is divergent. Whales now do absolutely nothing.

If that was the case, this market would be a complete mess (more than it already is). The reason that this market isn't a mess is because of whales calculating their moves instead of impulsively acting like retail traders do.

Whales are just minding their own business and will do what they can to financially benefit from every possible market scenario. Pumps or dumps for them are as profitable, there is no difference.

With futures and other tools that they can use manipulation is more profitable than ever before. This is the reality we have to cope with till regulations are frightening enough to discourage large scale manipulation.

[Sony.UK]

Yes, when the price goes back, the whales have a big role, and of course, when the price falls. By the other way, human psychology also plays a role here. Ex : noobs who are not understand what is the trade, they start to sell when they see red.

But you forgot the bad rumours in news because peoples are always watching the breaking news so some regulation and banning issues are comes in any country total market is collapse. So we must avoid these kind news then only we will realise the exact information in Crypto platform.

[funnynews]

 I know all that, I have decided for myself just to try to be flexible and sensitive for all those things, because I cannot change anything in this terms. Only to be like a stripe on a wind

[zhekinsp]

When the market falls long term. The market has few new investors, the old investors are no as interested as before. Volume is very low. That makes the profit from exchange are reduced ( Huge whales are big exchages )
To compensate for the declining profit. The whales and the exchanges are linked together to control the margin. Currently, Margin has a large volume (Bitmex no.1 volume). That's why most of the time the bitcoin chart are U-shaped

Most of the time it was intenstionally done by some group of people who called as whales to make profits but how we react to that price drops is important and most of the people will lose their so we need to understand the strategy behind the bitcoin investment and act according to that will make you successful in the crypto investment.

[Pursuer]

the margin volume is higher because price is falling it is not controlled by anything! people are deciding to margin trade when there is a big downtrend like this. it is like saying when price was rising from $9k to $20k trading volume was huge so it controlled!!!

as for prices, there is manipulation in the market and nobody can deny that. but how effective this manipulation is on the price is open for debate. I disagree with calling it "control" but it is a powerful force.

[gabmen]

When the market falls long term. The market has few new investors, the old investors are no as interested as before. Volume is very low. That makes the profit from exchange are reduced ( Huge whales are big exchages )
To compensate for the declining profit. The whales and the exchanges are linked together to control the margin. Currently, Margin has a large volume (Bitmex no.1 volume). That's why most of the time the bitcoin chart are U-shaped

Most of the time it was intenstionally done by some group of people who called as whales to make profits but how we react to that price drops is important and most of the people will lose their so we need to understand the strategy behind the bitcoin investment and act according to that will make you successful in the crypto investment.

Well there's nothing that we can do about that anyways and i think we're all aware that manipulation is indeed happening regardless if it's intentional or not. If you have enough holdings in your hands that can sway or affect how the market moves, then why won't you take advantage of it? Intentional manipulations are probably happening a lot more than accidental ones

[naidray]

When the market falls long term. The market has few new investors, the old investors are no as interested as before. Volume is very low. That makes the profit from exchange are reduced ( Huge whales are big exchages )
To compensate for the declining profit. The whales and the exchanges are linked together to control the margin. Currently, Margin has a large volume (Bitmex no.1 volume). That's why most of the time the bitcoin chart are U-shaped

They can be controlled both intentionally and accidentally. There are whales that invest huge amounts of money with the intention of increasing the price of Bitcoin. Since they are aware that the price can be controlled by the rate of demand, they just put in a big amount intentionally and when the price goes up, they will withdraw their money with the profit, causing the price to fall again.

There are people with no bad intention, their plan is just to invest a huge amount of money before the price goes up to make better profit, and when they invest, the price will boost immediately.

For investing huge amount of money, they do that for the sole purpose of getting a lot back from it at the detriment of the weak hands and which makes it easy when indeed the only thing driving the price up and down in speculation.

Assuming there is a life usage and the demand is going up as a result of that, then we would not even be experiencing such moves like this, but for now, it is just what it is and as long as there will always be people who simply want to get rich overnight without understanding what they are investing in, it would make it so easy for them.

[el kaka22]

We all know that song mystic Whales are manipulating the price of Bitcoin,  and still bitcoin has a great affect on all of other cryptocurrencies, so basically I can tell the biggest guys with biggest portfolios, can swing the market.

Yes, I guess we have seen that already so many times. It is just a way of accumulating at the dumps when all the weak hands have left the market and taken their losses like that, and then pushing the market up and dumping when all the FOMOs have kicked in again which makes it a rinse and repeat process.

Only until people started investing in a project with good support and real life usage without panicking and believing its future and not because they are looking for ways to get rich quick, before we will keep seeing such manipulations subside and as long as that is in play, the whales will keep having a filled day.

[Hamphser]

When the market falls long term. The market has few new investors, the old investors are no as interested as before. Volume is very low. That makes the profit from exchange are reduced ( Huge whales are big exchages )
To compensate for the declining profit. The whales and the exchanges are linked together to control the margin. Currently, Margin has a large volume (Bitmex no.1 volume). That's why most of the time the bitcoin chart are U-shaped

They can be controlled both intentionally and accidentally. There are whales that invest huge amounts of money with the intention of increasing the price of Bitcoin. Since they are aware that the price can be controlled by the rate of demand, they just put in a big amount intentionally and when the price goes up, they will withdraw their money with the profit, causing the price to fall again.

There are people with no bad intention, their plan is just to invest a huge amount of money before the price goes up to make better profit, and when they invest, the price will boost immediately.

Yeah on intention matters BTC price can really be held by anyone and that has been proven by so many years when whales try to move and spread some fuds so that the price may fall at their convenient price but for now maybe this one is due to unintentional matters since maybe some of the investors has been afraid of those past news of regulation and certain government interference.

When you are here already for sometime or years where you do able to see on how the market moves then you would really already have the second thoughts or simply you will hesitate to invest due to those government or regulation factors.
When it comes to price manipulation, it do exist since the beginning yet there would always be some people, group,corpo that do have the power or capability on what would they like for the price to move.

[etron]

why bitcoin graph is always shaped "U" because all of that is not apart from the name Graphic Design or Graphic Design. ... In fact, graphic design is often categorized as a commercial art because ... Efficiency can be fulfilled through the form of the letter "U" and this is the company's efficiency value in determining bitcoin production.

[newinbtc]

When the market falls long term. The market has few new investors, the old investors are no as interested as before. Volume is very low. That makes the profit from exchange are reduced ( Huge whales are big exchages )
To compensate for the declining profit. The whales and the exchanges are linked together to control the margin. Currently, Margin has a large volume (Bitmex no.1 volume). That's why most of the time the bitcoin chart are U-shaped

whenever bitcoin price drops , people who fear or they dont want to loose money , they sell off their coins , In last only few people left who are whales or some other users who are in waiting for long jump. Old investors never drop interest who ever gain profit from bitcoins. they will come back when price will up again + new investors who gain interest from price up + old one  = bitcoin price up

when whale enter market they select a particular exchange and price up in total - they are controlled internationally by big investors who want to make big profit by spreading news and many other ways



 

[Adrin]

If someone says bitcoin price has controlled any Academy or intentionally, I think this news is totally fake because no one can control Bitcoin price. Before I am used typical analysis for Bitcoin price but technical analysis is not perfect so I just follow the chart pattern and candlestick pattern because chart pattern and candlestick pattern are very easy to make Bitcoin price pump and dump. In this world in our Academy can't control Bitcoin price. When people start to invest in cryptocurrency on the time Bitcoin price is growing very fast but when people move in cryptocurrency on the time cryptocurrency is dumping.

[coinplus]

When the market falls long term. The market has few new investors, the old investors are no as interested as before. Volume is very low. That makes the profit from exchange are reduced ( Huge whales are big exchages )
To compensate for the declining profit. The whales and the exchanges are linked together to control the margin. Currently, Margin has a large volume (Bitmex no.1 volume). That's why most of the time the bitcoin chart are U-shaped

Control can never be accidental, but obviously intentional. The idea of whales controlling the market is to take advantage of the small fish.

It is more like their territory as they hold the button and they can do whatever they want with it since they have all it takes to do so, based on the position they hold and the wealth they have amassed with it. However, the market itself is volatile and people tend to respond fast to market movements most of the time.

[5ensei]

There are new players entering all the time. At this point in time last year there was no binance and now they are one of the biggest fish in the sea. Collaborations are therefore unlikely, but they might follow each other and play the same game

[htconem7]

When the market falls long term. The market has few new investors, the old investors are no as interested as before. Volume is very low. That makes the profit from exchange are reduced ( Huge whales are big exchages )
To compensate for the declining profit. The whales and the exchanges are linked together to control the margin. Currently, Margin has a large volume (Bitmex no.1 volume). That's why most of the time the bitcoin chart are U-shaped

I think bitcoin price fluctuations are partly due to crowds but also because sharks and whales dominate the market, you can see that the crypto market is not regulated and the countries that recognize and control , so it is likely that bitcoin jobs will make the market even more difficult to predict. Therefore, with a market that has no peaks and no bottom, you will only be short-term investment to minimize risk.

[elloco4ever]

There are new players entering all the time. At this point in time last year there was no binance and now they are one of the biggest fish in the sea. Collaborations are therefore unlikely, but they might follow each other and play the same game

That's a nice catch we need to be aware of these kind of greedy investors who manipulate the value of bitcoin based on their profits and we small fishes are the losers at the end of the day.

[Koro-Sensei]

Both intentionally and accidentally the price aren't calculated by your half assed money you need to invest large amount of it to tilt the price of BTC we are talking about millions of dollars to move the price and after some change people will be encouraged to invest because of the growth rate it has shown us that was not your real intention yet you manage to influence the people.

[berfanaf]

When the market falls long term. The market has few new investors, the old investors are no as interested as before. Volume is very low. That makes the profit from exchange are reduced ( Huge whales are big exchages )
To compensate for the declining profit. The whales and the exchanges are linked together to control the margin. Currently, Margin has a large volume (Bitmex no.1 volume). That's why most of the time the bitcoin chart are U-shaped

Control can never be accidental, but obviously intentional. The idea of whales controlling the market is to take advantage of the small fish.

It is more like their territory as they hold the button and they can do whatever they want with it since they have all it takes to do so, based on the position they hold and the wealth they have amassed with it. However, the market itself is volatile and people tend to respond fast to market movements most of the time.

I think bitcoin price are controlled with manipulation from big investors. It is not accidentally. The intention of big investors to make more and more money and they do not think of small investors. They only think of their benefit. They don’t care about the rest of the people. This intention is the big obstacle in the way of bitcoin success.

[likerseld]

There are new players entering all the time. At this point in time last year there was no binance and now they are one of the biggest fish in the sea. Collaborations are therefore unlikely, but they might follow each other and play the same game

In my opinion there is no sector of life where big investors do not suck small investors. The same here in crypto world. Whales control the price intentionally and want to keep the big share for themselves. Most of the people withdraw their money due to manipulation. Why big investors controlled the price? This question is not answerable and we cannot solve this problem.

[nl247]

There are new players entering all the time. At this point in time last year there was no binance and now they are one of the biggest fish in the sea. Collaborations are therefore unlikely, but they might follow each other and play the same game

In my opinion there is no sector of life where big investors do not suck small investors. The same here in crypto world. Whales control the price intentionally and want to keep the big share for themselves. Most of the people withdraw their money due to manipulation. Why big investors controlled the price? This question is not answerable and we cannot solve this problem.

It is a thing no one can actually avoid but based on the question you asked on why they do, it is obvious it is for the benefit of making huge profit, otherwise what else would it have been?
All whales are practically greedy as they will keep wanting more, most especially when a market is highly speculative with bunch of weak hands, and they have the best position to drive the market the way they want, but in reality, who would be in such position and not act the way they do intentionally?

[Duchisoue]

I guess there will be the possibilities of both accidentally and intentionally. When a new investor gets educated about the futures of bitcoin then he may go for investing into bitcoins wildly which may result in huge pumping and the vice versa also true. Intentional pumping are known as whales manipulation more frequently in crypto environments.

[wuvdoll]

There are clear boom and boost cycles in Bitcoin, they are useful to shed out all the noobs and leave only the strongest holders that know what they are dealing with. There's a lot of people holding Bitcoin that don't deserve to hold Bitcoin because they don't understand it, so these will be forced to panic sell. Governments and whales will keep stacking up on coins, then they will declare it world reserve currency and then the noobs that sold will complain that Bitcoin is controlled by a small elite.

That is usually the idea normally and that is intentional. Whales play with emotional manipulation which they can easily read from the charts, they know when people are getting highly greedy and they know when they are getting panicky and so many people trying to avoid the market not knowing what is next and they take advantage of all that. It is a normal thing to see and most especially in a decentralized space, and trying to understand that helps.

When a new investor gets educated about the futures of bitcoin then he may go for investing into bitcoins wildly which may result in huge pumping and the vice versa also true. Intentional pumping are known as whales manipulation more frequently in crypto environments.

Accidental manipulations are common for any markets and we have nothing to do with them. But, intentional manipulations should be prevented but that is becoming a big challenge as crypto markets are basically unregulated markets hence whales find it as their playground.

[zedicus]

When the market falls long term. The market has few new investors, the old investors are no as interested as before. Volume is very low. That makes the profit from exchange are reduced ( Huge whales are big exchages )
To compensate for the declining profit. The whales and the exchanges are linked together to control the margin. Currently, Margin has a large volume (Bitmex no.1 volume). That's why most of the time the bitcoin chart are U-shaped

No need to question it was being controlled intentionally as many of them play with the prices so they can gather a good amount of bitcoins in pumping and dumping. In Accidentally i more think on it as a nature or its a cycle that forms a series of charts that can be a basis from now and then which called as technical analysis.

[bozo333]

Bitcoin prices are controlled by demand and supply so it is accidentally change in every day. But peoples are said it is internally so both are possible in this platform.
All the countries are accepting Bitcoin it will legalized in entire world so that day it is completely controlled by internally. Otherwise is undetermined.

[berrygood]

Accidentally is wrong term to me when you buy 0.1 btc at any price, you also control the price but the price also is controlled intentionally by some people or groups for sure.

[BitHodler]

There are clear boom and boost cycles in Bitcoin, they are useful to shed out all the noobs and leave only the strongest holders that know what they are dealing with. There's a lot of people holding Bitcoin that don't deserve to hold Bitcoin because they don't understand it, so these will be forced to panic sell. Governments and whales will keep stacking up on coins, then they will declare it world reserve currency and then the noobs that sold will complain that Bitcoin is controlled by a small elite.

Can't agree more. It's quite interesting to see how even the more senior members here haven't noticed how precious Bitcoin really is. Good thing however is that I gladly buy up their coins if they offer me that opportunity.

I definitely understand that people have bills to pay and other expenses that they couldn't have seen coming, but if all that doesn't apply and there is no reason to sell your coins, then simply don't.

There are so many fake hodlers out there stating to keep hodling till 2020 and whatnot, but as soon as the price goes down they are out. Everyone can hodl during an increase, only a few can do that during a decrease.

That's how real hodlers seperate themselves from wannabees.

[Apaxy]

Accidentally is wrong term to me when you buy 0.1 btc at any price, you also control the price but the price also is controlled intentionally by some people or groups for sure.

uniquely the market is controlled by large whales. So it was, so it is and so it will be. The one who has large volumes of coins, can influence the pricing of I crypto currency. Although there are secret communities of users of crypto currencies, which practically set themselves a goal to change the situation on the market to their own advantage.

[richardsNY]

That's how real hodlers seperate themselves from wannabees.

I noticed a quick mentality switch on social media from people after Charlie Lee's statement that people should at first invest in Bitcoin before anything else. At first I was kinda skeptical about his statement because he's not recommending his own coin to be bought first, but he seems to have a decent bit of influence. Where before people were avoiding Bitcoin they are now talking about how important it is to at least have some Bitcoins instead of none. This of course doesn't mean they will stick to their coins as firmly as we do, but at least it's a positive switch that starts to affect more and more people. Even locally I see people 'proudly' share that they have x percentage of Bitcoin. I like that.

[bitbunnny]

It's funny how stories about control of Bitcoin price appear in time when the price is low or falling. And no one is starting that subject when the price is high. So the conclusion is that people are trying to justify their loss somehow.
To me this is more like a conspiracy theory. Whales are influental but not that much to fuly control the price and the range of value. Just accept that Bitcoin is volatile and dependent on the market.

[Dimon888]

I think that in the crypto industry nothing happens by accident. The prices for bitcoin and other top crypto currency are regulated by "whales". "Whales" themselves create exchanges to earn billions from the air.

[isaac_clarke22]

Accidentally is wrong term to me when you buy 0.1 btc at any price, you also control the price but the price also is controlled intentionally by some people or groups for sure.

uniquely the market is controlled by large whales. So it was, so it is and so it will be. The one who has large volumes of coins, can influence the pricing of I crypto currency. Although there are secret communities of users of crypto currencies, which practically set themselves a goal to change the situation on the market to their own advantage.

Not directly though. The demand gets pumped up from the large buys that BTC gets but it still has the property to be unstable itself. It is also global, so everyone can buy it therefore having a few pump in the demand to price. What sort of communities are you talking about? Those cooperatives having their own contributions to invest here in cryptocurrency? The pump and dump groups?

[GawirZZ]

maybe bitcoin prices can be controlled because every year-end bitctoin prices always go up, it will probably be a tradition for its fore. although the bitcoin price is in control it will remain profitable for us.

[Tapyaks72]

maybe bitcoin prices can be controlled because every year-end bitctoin prices always go up, it will probably be a tradition for its fore. although the bitcoin price is in control it will remain profitable for us.
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Trending is normal even if it is not control, because usually investors assume  that at the end of the year bitcoin price will getting high, so that's the time also most of them will hold and buy and of course there is what we called massive buying. Since  we are following the law supply and demand the demand get higher and the price also will get  up.

[YCryptos]

Of course it was intentional.Everyone knows that money is power.What kind of paper or digital money then it does not matter!

[TimeTeller]

Most likely on the contrary, the price of bitcoin is controlled only by people who do not know what to do now, because everyone's opinion is divergent. Whales now do absolutely nothing.

If that was the case, this market would be a complete mess (more than it already is). The reason that this market isn't a mess is because of whales calculating their moves instead of impulsively acting like retail traders do.

Whales are just minding their own business and will do what they can to financially benefit from every possible market scenario. Pumps or dumps for them are as profitable, there is no difference.

With futures and other tools that they can use manipulation is more profitable than ever before. This is the reality we have to cope with till regulations are frightening enough to discourage large scale manipulation.

Yes, whales really are whales, they don't care who suffers from their actions.
It's all about business for them. So it's not that they are doing absolutely nothing.
They are always there, waiting for a good timing to attack and do their part.
They know what they are up to and you can't stop them.
You just need to be careful with your own investments. They don't care who they are hitting on.

[mornabo]

Most likely on the contrary, the price of bitcoin is controlled only by people who do not know what to do now, because everyone's opinion is divergent. Whales now do absolutely nothing.

If that was the case, this market would be a complete mess (more than it already is). The reason that this market isn't a mess is because of whales calculating their moves instead of impulsively acting like retail traders do.

Whales are just minding their own business and will do what they can to financially benefit from every possible market scenario. Pumps or dumps for them are as profitable, there is no difference.

With futures and other tools that they can use manipulation is more profitable than ever before. This is the reality we have to cope with till regulations are frightening enough to discourage large scale manipulation.

Yes, whales really are whales, they don't care who suffers from their actions.
It's all about business for them. So it's not that they are doing absolutely nothing.
They are always there, waiting for a good timing to attack and do their part.
They know what they are up to and you can't stop them.
You just need to be careful with your own investments. They don't care who they are hitting on.

A lot of gossip is circulating if bitcoin prices are controlled by the Whales, it might happen because in the bitcoin market, influencers do exist, prices on the market are influenced by many things and if the whales has a large capital, of course they can manipulate supply and demand, they can also make news and speculations

[flowers5]

The prices are completely controlled and manipulated by the worlds elite.  They print the money so they control the prices.  Pretty simple. 

[Indrawan77]

Of course it intentionally, the whales are aiming for profit the bigger the profit is better, that is why there are a lot of fud issues, and the real investors now are tired of their game, the price seems cant pierce the barrier, that is why there are less and less new investors and the price swing is more often

[mansilkroad]

It's quite obvious that the prices are  manipulated intentionally especially when we have some truly bullish news around and prices don't reflect that.

[aggeyysido]

I tend to believe that cryptocurrency pricing is difficult to control even if it is possible. It seems like currency control is the case.

[Hamstead]

I tend to believe that cryptocurrency pricing is difficult to control even if it is possible. It seems like currency control is the case.

We are having a decentralized market, meaning we can't be controlled and all the rumors are just a sayings only and ain't gonna proven yet.  Though big whales have there power though,  but it won't be enough reason to put blame on them.

[mudasarali43]

Bitcoin price is not controlled it is just moving with the buyers and sellers trend some walls are helping to cross the limits of different prices but an accidentally or intentionally not compulsory things and does not matter.

[Varuj]

Prices for Bitcoin for everyone can change and accidentally or intentionally looking when and how much the price will affect the price of a particular situation.

[MobyCrypt]

There are clear boom and boost cycles in Bitcoin, they are useful to shed out all the noobs and leave only the strongest holders that know what they are dealing with. There's a lot of people holding Bitcoin that don't deserve to hold Bitcoin because they don't understand it, so these will be forced to panic sell. Governments and whales will keep stacking up on coins, then they will declare it world reserve currency and then the noobs that sold will complain that Bitcoin is controlled by a small elite.

That is a beautiful way to put it, even though it may not be totally accurate in the endgame prediction. Governments would probably create their own coins, something they can control.

[Jating]

Bitcoin price is not controlled it is just moving with the buyers and sellers trend some walls are helping to cross the limits of different prices but an accidentally or intentionally not compulsory things and does not matter.

I tend to disagree. Whales can really 'influence' the price. If you try to closely look at the so called buy and sell walls, manipulation can happen by cancelling such orders after it looks like that a large buyer or seller was in action. Sort of deceiving traders and most of the time noobs are swayed by those orders, and panic sells.

And specially in alt-coin market, you can sense that someone is playing from behind when you see prices go up and spike without any sensible news that will really push the price to the next levels. So accidentally or intentionally this market is prone to price manipulation, just saying.

[cfif123]

Of course it was intentional.Everyone knows that money is power.What kind of paper or digital money then it does not matter!

true because if the price of bitcoin continues to rise then investors who will invest will go back and forth to invest, so the price of bitcoin can be controlled by investors and people who make bad issues about bitcoin

[dunfida]

Accidentally is wrong term to me when you buy 0.1 btc at any price, you also control the price but the price also is controlled intentionally by some people or groups for sure.

uniquely the market is controlled by large whales. So it was, so it is and so it will be. The one who has large volumes of coins, can influence the pricing of I crypto currency. Although there are secret communities of users of crypto currencies, which practically set themselves a goal to change the situation on the market to their own advantage.

Not directly though. The demand gets pumped up from the large buys that BTC gets but it still has the property to be unstable itself. It is also global, so everyone can buy it therefore having a few pump in the demand to price. What sort of communities are you talking about? Those cooperatives having their own contributions to invest here in cryptocurrency? The pump and dump groups?

The market has always been so unstable due to the supply and demands fluctuation and with some noobs entering into the trading businesses, it is too different to maintain such pump of the price. Thus, it could be both accidentally and intentionally that the sudden pump and dump of prices varies in some other months.

[josephdd1]

I don't think BTC price control is much intentional because with the market being so volatile one must ether have a collective group to make such manipulations or at least 1/4 of the market cap which to me that's not doable.

[liseff3]

When the market falls long term. The market has few new investors, the old investors are no as interested as before. Volume is very low. That makes the profit from exchange are reduced ( Huge whales are big exchages )
To compensate for the declining profit. The whales and the exchanges are linked together to control the margin. Currently, Margin has a large volume (Bitmex no.1 volume). That's why most of the time the bitcoin chart are U-shaped

As we all know, cryptocurrency is not supervised by centralized authorities in its distribution, so that it is not surprising that it will make it weak and susceptible to manipulation which is carried out by large investors to make the maximum profit.

[thunderbitz2717]

Yes, when the price goes back, the whales have a big role, and of course, when the price falls. By the other way, human psychology also plays a role here. Ex : noobs who are not understand what is the trade, they start to sell when they see red.

Indeed, I agreed on what you said mate, when the market down some whales are taking it as a chance for them to buy a huge of it then when the market goes back there is a really big role for them. Meaning, whales investors knows what they are doing  whether they are selling or buying altcoins here. Unlike those communities who always in mind to sell their coins when the market is down.

[BTCempires]

Definitely intentional.This is beneficial if it was not controlled, the investment would be several times less.

[Keyboard PC]

yes of course the condition of this bitcoin price can only be controlled by the very high demand, without that the price of bitcoin will not be able to have a selling value.

[Shafiqul Islam]

Yes , bitcoin price and Ethereum price are internationally control and this price is moving around $7000 and $280 respectively.nothing change....

[Pattart]

yes of course the condition of this bitcoin price can only be controlled by the very high demand, without that the price of bitcoin will not be able to have a selling value.

If the control is from demand, it means that bitcoin prices can be controlled by some people because demand can be manipulated by the whales right? I myself don't know for sure, but I know that bitcoin price changes occur because of many things, and maybe also from someone's manipulation

[112_blockchain]

Of course, such a possibility should not be excluded, but I do not think that they are really deliberately controlled.

[milisada]

I am not a proponent of conspiracies, so I assume that the prices of bitcoin at the current time are not controlled either accidentally or intentionally .

[Aion2n]

Yes, the price of bitcoin is regulated intentionally. All of us just have to accept this fact. We just have the opportunity to earn on crypto currencies, while whales do the main job - create a hype around crypto currency. Now whales are beneficial to reduce the price of bitcoin, so it is important for us to take advantage of this situation and buy as many bitcoins as we can afford.

[Sone11]

When the market falls long term. The market has few new investors, the old investors are no as interested as before. Volume is very low. That makes the profit from exchange are reduced ( Huge whales are big exchages )
To compensate for the declining profit. The whales and the exchanges are linked together to control the margin. Currently, Margin has a large volume (Bitmex no.1 volume). That's why most of the time the bitcoin chart are U-shaped

Not a new thing and would be expected in new economy. That's why people beginners and intermediate should study more to ride accurately in the market. Those whales and manipulators are part of the system that you can't really omit as they are the movers of most trades.

[Johnyz]

Yes , bitcoin price and Ethereum price are internationally control and this price is moving around $7000 and $280 respectively.nothing change....

I believe on this also, someone is controlling the market and it creates such FUD for newbies that makes them lose their money. Since they own a lot of bitcoin they tend to play like this but hopefully they will finally pump the market and this time I hope its more on new investors and not just the whales who creates bull trap.

[putrisa]

I think the price of bitcoin is only controlled purely from the presence of a buyer and from the total supply available. if bitcoin demand is high and availability is limited then the price of bitcoin will be very expensive.

[StarSLight]

I think that you can not exclude manipulation. There are people who benefit from "playing" with the price of bitcoin. I can not say exactly why they do it, but obviously it gives them a good profit

[evenkjoe]

If you ask my opinion, in our world there is nothing accidental, and even more so with regards to money, and it is obvious that the cost of such a cryptocurrency as Bitcoin is controlled by strong players.

[deus030518]

When the market falls long term. The market has few new investors, the old investors are no as interested as before. Volume is very low. That makes the profit from exchange are reduced ( Huge whales are big exchages )
To compensate for the declining profit. The whales and the exchanges are linked together to control the margin. Currently, Margin has a large volume (Bitmex no.1 volume). That's why most of the time the bitcoin chart are U-shaped

I agree to what you have said. The prices are both caused by accidentally and intentionally cause their are some case that the price change cause of the accidentally. Some people are selling their coins cause they are just new ohn the market and they do not know yet how to handle the price and they di not know how volatile is the price. Then it can also caused by intentionally. Some investors are intentionally selling their coin so that the price will and they can buy a new altcoin to add up to their investment.

[Premooooo]

I think that bitcoin was control intentionally because so many investor's from now is afraid to hold their bitcoin so many of them buying other coins to buy.

[p i e c e]

I think the price of bitcoin is only controlled purely from the presence of a buyer and from the total supply available. if bitcoin demand is high and availability is limited then the price of bitcoin will be very expensive.

The whales, who control them, has only one intention - to get more money. Millionaires want to become billionaires, while the last ones wish to earn a couple of billions more. Everything is simple.

[setupbounds]

I think that bitcoin was control intentionally because so many investor's from now is afraid to hold their bitcoin so many of them buying other coins to buy.

As long as it is a control, controls are always going to be intentional and there is nothing accidental about it. This is a market, and there will always be whales, and the reason they do it is for profit, call them greedy however you like, but certainly, they know the only way they can instigate a market movement to their favor is to give that impression for participation in whichever way they want to move it to and that is no way an accidental move as it is always a deliberate action.

[stepwilli]

If you ask my opinion, in our world there is nothing accidental, and even more so with regards to money, and it is obvious that the cost of such a cryptocurrency as Bitcoin is controlled by strong players.

Some things could be accidental, but not when it comes to market manipulation. That is an action which is an act of controlling something in a skillful manner for your advantage, which I am sure that is always a premeditated action. No one can come out to say, I am sorry, I mistakenly made some actions and people took it out wrongly and got the market the way it is. Those who manipulate are whales, and they certainly do it intentionally.

[milewilda]

I think the price of bitcoin is only controlled purely from the presence of a buyer and from the total supply available. if bitcoin demand is high and availability is limited then the price of bitcoin will be very expensive.

The whales, who control them, has only one intention - to get more money. Millionaires want to become billionaires, while the last ones wish to earn a couple of billions more. Everything is simple.

Not a new thing because a market that do involves money there would be always someone who are on the top.

I think that bitcoin was control intentionally because so many investor's from now is afraid to hold their bitcoin so many of them buying other coins to buy.

Its not really intentionally but they are really getting the advantage since they do hold up most bitcoins circulating. Lets say a whale do get those coins on earlier years then it is the price and they are really capable on such market movement and for those who jumped in late which do have billions of fiat money then they do really  have the capability too.To those who are on the top then it is expected where manipulation can possibly happen without our awareness.

[Itcher]

the price of the cryptocurrency reflects its current value, the fact that it does not grow as everyone saw in December 2017, does not mean that this asset is not valuable. he just doesn't follow the crowd.

[minhkhoa]

Bitcoin is actually controlled by China. Four Chinese organization miner are controlling more than 50% of Bitcoin. How do we know that the Chinese government will not interfere ? How many countries want to use the currency controlled by China ? It will not happen.

[EXtremeAEX]

I think that the main direction of the bitcoin price is controlled by whales. So this happens intentionally. Of course, I'm assuming that at some point in time the price may get out of control, but I'm sure it doesn't last long.

[cryptolidus]

Whales have significant funds which allow them to change the market trend in whatever direction
they want. We cannot beat them but we can ride the wave and make the manipulation to work into our favor as well.

[Dimon8]

The price of bitcoins is regulated intentionally, such a conclusion can be made on the basis that the price was almost $ 20,000 at the end of 2017.

[reflector]

The price of bitcoins is regulated intentionally, such a conclusion can be made on the basis that the price was almost $ 20,000 at the end of 2017.

The price of Bitcoin is depends on the circulation supply so this year January most of the whales are exchange to fait currency it was gradually move to downtrend. But actually some whales are intentionally create a dump and pump so we should not say completely because every year market was maintain a same pattern but this year only is not workout. It is proved the accidentally and internally controlled by Bitcoin price.

[Wiwendefak]

Bitcoin price is not controlled. Old investors are not stopped investing! Rather real investors are investing every day. Because this is the golden time to grab coins at a cheap rate! New investors are coming also. Small investors stopped investing otherwise everything okay. Bitcoin price if controlled then we can see a stable price, not this types of volatility.

[Harlot]

OP you don't even know what you are talking about, the U-shaped chart you are talking about is not currently existing because what we are forming is a triangle formation which is neither bearish or bullish all formations are translations of what the market is going but it does not directly mean someone is moving the prices it maybe is natural or intentional but understanding the chart is what we will know where it will go. To add the U-shape formation you are talking about is called the cup and handle formation.

[adzino]

Bitcoin price is not controlled. Old investors are not stopped investing! Rather real investors are investing every day. Because this is the golden time to grab coins at a cheap rate! New investors are coming also. Small investors stopped investing otherwise everything okay. Bitcoin price if controlled then we can see a stable price, not this types of volatility.

True, they are not controlled but you need to know that they are sometimes (or can be) manipulated easily. So, don't you think being able to manipulate means being able to control for at least short term? And if bitcoin price could have been controlled, we would not be seeing price stability. Instead we will be seeing more instability and those controlling it will be taking advantage of the price fluctuation.

[namcunguyen]

I am not sure, but I can see trend showing that Bitcoin price manipulation is clearly affected by these whales which may holding the big chunk of Bitcoin.

[tenakha]

I am not sure, but I can see trend showing that Bitcoin price manipulation is clearly affected by these whales which may holding the big chunk of Bitcoin.

Bitcoin's price is not controlled, only the price varies according to the flow. Nobody has such a power to control it. It is only a little effect that the whales or the states have been able to do, which is effective a few hours. I admit, the movement of the whales causes a revival in the market. But the last word is always in the community.

[ginellis]

I think that the main direction of the bitcoin price is controlled by whales. So this happens intentionally. Of course, I'm assuming that at some point in time the price may get out of control, but I'm sure it doesn't last long.

There is no doubt that the price of bitcoin is controlled by big investors which we call whales. They decide the future price of bitcoin and that why many people now do not invest their money in bitcoin. To see this market situation you will say that bitcoin is just a waste of time and money and there is no future of bitcoin. I don’t want to lose my money in such Ponzi scheme.

[cabron]

It must be intentionally because it must be lol. Those who holds huge amount of BTC can manipulate the price which can make those new holders sell their coins when they find out they are losing money and when they sell those whales are buying them. The more they get while the market is crashing the better for their investment which is why they deliberately do this to shake off the weak hands.

[EXtremeAEX]

I think that the main direction of the bitcoin price is controlled by whales. So this happens intentionally. Of course, I'm assuming that at some point in time the price may get out of control, but I'm sure it doesn't last long.

There is no doubt that the price of bitcoin is controlled by big investors which we call whales. They decide the future price of bitcoin and that why many people now do not invest their money in bitcoin. To see this market situation you will say that bitcoin is just a waste of time and money and there is no future of bitcoin. I don’t want to lose my money in such Ponzi scheme.

In order not to lose money, you can choose two ways.
The first is not to invest your money in a crypto currency.
The second is reasonable to invest money and in time to pick them up. So I, for example, for a long time already took away all the money invested in crypto currency. All that I have now is already profit from initial investments, which is constantly increasing. So you need to think wisely about such an investment and then you will not lose your money.

[Fideend]

Whales have significant funds which allow them to change the market trend in whatever direction
they want. We cannot beat them but we can ride the wave and make the manipulation to work into our favor as well.

Yeah you are right and it is not only happen in cryptocurrency market but every market in the world. Big investors never let small investors to make money. In my country pharmaceutical whales do the same and if you want to start your own business, they will reduce their profit margin because they buy huge quantity and they can manage it but small investors are not capable of that.

[harbin55]

There are lots of rumors about this which I always see in the social media.
In my own perspective I think there is a possibility but it is very minimal to happen because the demands and supply in bitcoin is the one who controlled the price and not the riches person.

[mikhailkudig]

In my opinion, the prices of cryptocurrencies are controlled not by chance, because it is quite a convenient way to invest money.

[Jaci]

There are many people who believe that anyone can control Bitcoin. Who think this type of thinking is totally wrong because there is no organization that can control Bitcoin price. Bitcoin price depends entirely on buyers and sellers. When Bitcoin investment is growing on that time bitcoin price increase and when people start selling a lot of Bitcoin on that time Bitcoin prices going to dump.

[eann014]

Bitcoin cannot be controlled by anyone, it depends on a market on how bitcoin can people get interested with. Yeah, there are old investors that are no longer interested in bitcoin, why? because they've already lost a lot because of bitcoin drops fast last year after the ATH's.

[cryptoblazter]

Technically speaking, bitcoin's price can't be controlled because is mostly dependent on supply and demand. However, there are investors that take the opportunity of that concept by investing very huge amounts that may give them the power to manipulate the supply and demand. These investors are called whales. They take the opportunity of unregulated system of the bitcoin.

[Yatsan]

The price of bitcoins is regulated intentionally, such a conclusion can be made on the basis that the price was almost $ 20,000 at the end of 2017.

The price of Bitcoin is depends on the circulation supply so this year January most of the whales are exchange to fait currency it was gradually move to downtrend. But actually some whales are intentionally create a dump and pump so we should not say completely because every year market was maintain a same pattern but this year only is not workout. It is proved the accidentally and internally controlled by Bitcoin price.

Yes, whales do huge manipulation to the price of bitcoin because of their huge fund that can buy and sell big amount to the market but if you would just sum up the "little" investors and trader of bitcoin we can theoretically say that it can reach for about 30-40%. Bitcoin is decentralized and so no one can really control the price but it varies due to the human behavior towards the market.

[LaurenProfi]

It seems to me intentionally, and the situation can be owned by people who have more than 50% of bitcoin, they can afford to play the price in the market ! To do dumps and the like , but this strictly my personal opinion !

[umbara ardian]

I think this bitcoin price can really be controlled, but controlling the price of bitcoin is not just one person, I believe this is controlled by several groups that can be called "whale" nests that have a lot of trading capital so that prices can rise and down their desires.

[earn20]

Clearly here we can say : "there are no Coincidences". Of course everything is controlled. China from the very beginning of the appearance of Bitcoin showed great interest in them. Now they rule the course.

[horrifiedx1]

Clearly here we can say : "there are no Coincidences". Of course everything is controlled. China from the very beginning of the appearance of Bitcoin showed great interest in them. Now they rule the course.

many investors come from China, so if they act, it will have a big influence on bitcoin. but sometimes China seems to want to monopolize development of BTC, and they like to play a role

[Matthewmorris4]

in fact many factors cause the chart to become special. One more thing, I am sure that exchanges and large investors have no special collaboration between them, which can damage the reputation of the exchanges. all plans to make a chart pattern from a market will be easily detected whether it is manipulation or not

[cryptoblazter]

You're saying that bitcoin prices is controlled, so it is intentionally done. These manipulators are really taking advantage of the unregulated system here in cryprocurrency business. They are also takinv advantage of the fact that only few people here are.knowledgeable of the tevhnical situation.

[akiho yoshizawa]

things that are still in the proper and reasonable category because there is no active policy controller from parties that are officially related, on the stock market can all be assumed, but because bitcoin is decentralized, real control is not transparent to the public, this is very ironic and I feel there are indeed big speculators who can monopolize futures price fluctuations.

[blackbold]

When the market falls long term. The market has few new investors, the old investors are no as interested as before. Volume is very low. That makes the profit from exchange are reduced ( Huge whales are big exchages )
To compensate for the declining profit. The whales and the exchanges are linked together to control the margin. Currently, Margin has a large volume (Bitmex no.1 volume). That's why most of the time the bitcoin chart are U-shaped

i think that whales are never connected to exchanges because in this world, there are so much exchanges, whales have their own game, the exchanges are only the victims which has got the impact of their game