Does hard work in gambling count?

[onrise]

There is no hard work in gambling, because seriously what hard works can you do in gambling if betting was easy as pie, literally there is no hard work in gambling. Winning against the house might be a hard work but you'll end up losing as always.

Majorly it is the card games that does require your skills and experience which will help you to win the games. Many of the games are the luck based games where you do not have to do anything just put money and may be you can win some if you have good luck.

[sweetbet]

While study and hard work can improve one's ability to play a skill game such as Poker, no amount of study can improve one's odds or chances of winning a game such as slots. One's best chance of winning a slot game is to locate "loose slot machines" that are strategically placed inside a casino in order to attract players.

[megynacuna]

While study and hard work can improve one's ability to play a skill game such as Poker, no amount of study can improve one's odds or chances of winning a game such as slots. One's best chance of winning a slot game is to locate "loose slot machines" that are strategically placed inside a casino in order to attract players.

I guess this is also not easy to find since it's only there to attract new customers and so you can't bang your hopes on that and call it hard work. That said, I think I agree with you that no matter how hard you work on your skill for a particular game you are going to be guaranteed successes with your games, far from that but it can only help you avoid infantile mistakes which puts you in a better position should odds go against the house sometimes.

[crwth]

Reading this thread, I remember the movie I watched “21” and it’s a great movie. It shows that hard work would bare fruit especially the part where they win consistently and won a buck load of money. For me I think it’s going to payoff because of the knowledge you can obtain with learning it and you would be prepared with different outcomes of the work. A success could happen if you manage to do what others can’t, to always win.

[leowonderful]

It really depends IMO. Luck's deciding whether you win or not in every game you play, and nothing can really change that in the end, but for games like poker and sports/esports matches betting, research and work can help out. There are people who make a living off betting on game matches, and doing research on the two teams going against each other and various factors like past performance and past head-to-head results can make a difference versus flipping a coin and choosing a team based on which side the coin lands on (letting luck completely take the wheel), though luck is still a large factor even in match betting.

[Betwrong]

I think this can be applied to poker and to poker only. That's a known fact that there are professional poker players who win more than others on average. Although many gamblers think that sports betting is also skill based I disagree with them. I've never heard of a professional sports better who can really prove that he/she is having constant income from sports betting. I think that it's impossible even theoretically because knowing which team will win puts you in a position when you have to risk ten times more of the money than you can potentially win.

that's totally not true , there are many professional sports bettors as well and you can find plenty of them by googling professional tipsters or just checking twitter
these guys have sample of over 4000 picks for example where they show profit , in order to be professional let's say you averaging 3 units profit a month then your 1 unit bet should 500 euros for example and you should be making 1500 euros a month

there are also a plenty of sportstraders as well , try searching for trading betfair professional and you will see how many are generating income by just trading the odds in betfair

Well, I'm aware of the existence of the so called "professional sports bettors", but I can't take them seriously. The thing is that there are millions of sports bettors and you can always find several of them who were so lucky that they were making mostly winning bets during the past years. I've seen many of "professional dice bettors" too, sharing their advises for free and even those trying to sell their strategy. They genuinely believe that they've found a winning method while in reality they were just lucky that their strategy worked several times in a row (or many times in a row, which is also statistically possible). The more bettors you have in a specific field, the higher the chance of some of them having strategies that "work".

[Siren]

Depend on what is our motive in regards to this hardworking,because if this talks about betting and playing i guess theres no reliably action as gambling needs Luck to gain and not for something that cares about everything you do with effort

Dont hardwork instead be contented when playing,alot enough capital in betting and go home when this capital losses limitation in our desire will help us success in this field

[rexxarofmoknathal]

There is no hard work in gambling, because seriously what hard works can you do in gambling if betting was easy as pie, literally there is no hard work in gambling. Winning against the house might be a hard work but you'll end up losing as always.

Yes easy as pie to really lose most of your hard earnings, But I can agree to you can not apply hardwork in gambling if the game will always be base on chances the only effort you can apply is self control, and patients that you can really win it big, Self control because you must learn in controlling your emotions when you lost every bet you made and ending up wasting all your money or getting addicted with gambling.

In fact, I don't even know how you could be ward working in gambling...as in doing what exactly? Gambling as it stands is not about luck or strategies as much, its all about knowing when to withdraw before loss.

[krishnaverma]

Certainly it can improve your winning chances but for certain games, I believe that some people are naturally gifted.

When I told my friend about card games I was playing on a website, his first reaction was making a friend of his play on it who rarely looses any match offline. That friend made his living with this , he had financed the education of his brothers and other importnat things in the family using the money he won. So, he is one such talented guy, practice will make him sharper.

[maydna]

There is no hard work in gambling, because seriously what hard works can you do in gambling if betting was easy as pie, literally there is no hard work in gambling. Winning against the house might be a hard work but you'll end up losing as always.

Yes easy as pie to really lose most of your hard earnings, But I can agree to you can not apply hardwork in gambling if the game will always be base on chances the only effort you can apply is self control, and patients that you can really win it big, Self control because you must learn in controlling your emotions when you lost every bet you made and ending up wasting all your money or getting addicted with gambling.

In fact, I don't even know how you could be ward working in gambling...as in doing what exactly? Gambling as it stands is not about luck or strategies as much, its all about knowing when to withdraw before loss.

in gambling, you still need a luck or strategies and you cannot get any money if you don't have a luck. no matter how hard you try in gambling, in the end, you will lose your money without any chance to recover and you should think about that. and if someone is trying to learn more in gambling, I guess that it's no need to wait too long to lose all of his money because, in gambling, we need to have a luck factor and the second, we need to make strategies but it depends on the game itself. maybe in a dice game, there is no need to use any strategies and we only need to have a luck to win the game.

[Ranly123]

I am curious to know if someone continually invested a lot of time in studying a game involved in gambling, further if he had played the game a lot to understand the intricacies involved, then can we call him an expert in that gambling game? If we do call him an expert then we clearly differentiate his experience and expertise from that of a novice. This clearly shows that the person is capable of winning more as an expert than the novice who really does not have the in-depth understanding of the play.

This brings us to an interesting question if hard work in gambling really pays off? If one puts in a lot of efforts to understand a game involved in gambling, does it mean that all his time has gone down the drain? Certainly no. If gambling were simply a blind guess or a wild shot then even years of studying it makes it useless because one is simply guessing the outcome blindly. But such is not the scenario with gambling in reality. What makes hard work count in gambling?

This further sets off the question of addiction in gambling. Work can also be an addiction for many. But here the addiction could be for perfecting the game and the art of playing. This kind of addiction is to struggle every time for success by proper calculation and review. However, addiction can also be due to pure greed of winning with no clear knowledge of the game. If hard work counts, then we may actually find a solution for a healthier addiction towards success in gambling.

Hard work does not make any sense when you are gambling or betting on a pure luck game. Hard work only pays off on a game that needs skill to win.

[Indrawan77]

Unfortunately hardwork in gambling won't make you win all the game, because in gambling is all about luck, but with experience and hardwork, you can get more knowledge and create more strategies in your game, you also can prevent more lost and can make you easier to control yourself, but from my experience hard work is not necessary in gambling, the idea of gambling is to have fun, not to stress out yourself by hardworking

[tabas]

Unfortunately hardwork in gambling won't make you win all the game, because in gambling is all about luck

Not really it's all about luck and by working hard with it, I agree with what you said it can't guarantee you to win the game.

but with experience and hardwork, you can get more knowledge and create more strategies in your game, you also can prevent more lost and can make you easier to control yourself, but from my experience hard work is not necessary in gambling, the idea of gambling is to have fun, not to stress out yourself by hardworking

Hard work can be part somehow of one gambler's success but well, it's not really necessary.

[Wendigo]

I think this can be applied to poker and to poker only. That's a known fact that there are professional poker players who win more than others on average. Although many gamblers think that sports betting is also skill based I disagree with them. I've never heard of a professional sports better who can really prove that he/she is having constant income from sports betting. I think that it's impossible even theoretically because knowing which team will win puts you in a position when you have to risk ten times more of the money than you can potentially win.

that's totally not true , there are many professional sports bettors as well and you can find plenty of them by googling professional tipsters or just checking twitter
these guys have sample of over 4000 picks for example where they show profit , in order to be professional let's say you averaging 3 units profit a month then your 1 unit bet should 500 euros for example and you should be making 1500 euros a month

there are also a plenty of sportstraders as well , try searching for trading betfair professional and you will see how many are generating income by just trading the odds in betfair

Well, I'm aware of the existence of the so called "professional sports bettors", but I can't take them seriously. The thing is that there are millions of sports bettors and you can always find several of them who were so lucky that they were making mostly winning bets during the past years. I've seen many of "professional dice bettors" too, sharing their advises for free and even those trying to sell their strategy. They genuinely believe that they've found a winning method while in reality they were just lucky that their strategy worked several times in a row (or many times in a row, which is also statistically possible). The more bettors you have in a specific field, the higher the chance of some of them having strategies that "work".

I am not subscribed to any paid pro sportbetting services, because pro bettors who sell picks are like snake oil salesmen to me. If winning systems really existed no one would have sold them. I haven't heard of anyone having become a millionaire by reading poker books and then winning a bunch of tournaments. Most if not all of the pro poker players are sponsored by big casinos and they get paid to play in all worldwide events popularizing the brand. I have nothing against the peeps, they just lucked out a couple of times and got famous and now are reaping the rewards of their popularity. The business of influencing people is very lucrative 

[Sukut]

There is no hard work in gambling, because seriously what hard works can you do in gambling if betting was easy as pie, literally there is no hard work in gambling. Winning against the house might be a hard work but you'll end up losing as always.

Majorly it is the card games that does require your skills and experience which will help you to win the games. Many of the games are the luck based games where you do not have to do anything just put money and may be you can win some if you have good luck.

You need your skills and having experience help you to win as you said, so in these kind of games hard work can be a part of your success but in luck based games you don't need to work on it, you can't practise to roll the dice better

[Soots]

I think this can be applied to poker and to poker only. That's a known fact that there are professional poker players who win more than others on average. Although many gamblers think that sports betting is also skill based I disagree with them. I've never heard of a professional sports better who can really prove that he/she is having constant income from sports betting. I think that it's impossible even theoretically because knowing which team will win puts you in a position when you have to risk ten times more of the money than you can potentially win.

that's totally not true , there are many professional sports bettors as well and you can find plenty of them by googling professional tipsters or just checking twitter
these guys have sample of over 4000 picks for example where they show profit , in order to be professional let's say you averaging 3 units profit a month then your 1 unit bet should 500 euros for example and you should be making 1500 euros a month

there are also a plenty of sportstraders as well , try searching for trading betfair professional and you will see how many are generating income by just trading the odds in betfair

Well, I'm aware of the existence of the so called "professional sports bettors", but I can't take them seriously. The thing is that there are millions of sports bettors and you can always find several of them who were so lucky that they were making mostly winning bets during the past years. I've seen many of "professional dice bettors" too, sharing their advises for free and even those trying to sell their strategy. They genuinely believe that they've found a winning method while in reality they were just lucky that their strategy worked several times in a row (or many times in a row, which is also statistically possible). The more bettors you have in a specific field, the higher the chance of some of them having strategies that "work".

I am not subscribed to any paid pro sportbetting services, because pro bettors who sell picks are like snake oil salesmen to me. If winning systems really existed no one would have sold them. I haven't heard of anyone having become a millionaire by reading poker books and then winning a bunch of tournaments. Most if not all of the pro poker players are sponsored by big casinos and they get paid to play in all worldwide events popularizing the brand. I have nothing against the peeps, they just lucked out a couple of times and got famous and now are reaping the rewards of their popularity. The business of influencing people is very lucrative  

Actually all hardwork is not worth it with gambling, because if you're going to win it really happens but most of all the efforts isn't valued  since its a game of luck. Those poker books or any other tips for playing successful gambling sports, doesn't help in any ways. Maybe it gives you motivations, but not accurate due to non sustainable profit that we will be getting from small chances that you'll going to acquire.

[Gameroid]

Unfortunately hardwork in gambling won't make you win all the game, because in gambling is all about luck, but with experience and hardwork, you can get more knowledge and create more strategies in your game, you also can prevent more lost and can make you easier to control yourself, but from my experience hard work is not necessary in gambling, the idea of gambling is to have fun, not to stress out yourself by hardworking

Chances may be there in but in few gambling games, like in sports gambling where you have to do hard work, you need to study and do your own analysis specially if you are playing gambling on sports gambling. For example if you are interested  to play gambling on football matches you must know about every player separately.

[Darklinkz]

Where's the hardwork in gambling? I know it's stressful but you just need to sit there and play. You just have to choose or receive the cards and feel the tension inside you. Studying it will never give you an advantage because you still need luck.

[batang_bitcoin]

Professional poker players dedicated much time to become one of the best in the world who competes from different competitions. And they are doing hard work for it, not for people who doesn't see future in gambling but if someone is good on it, he'll bet not only his money but also his entire life to make gambling as their career. But working out studying those games that are solely basing the results on luck is likely to waste their entire time and will end up with random results.

[Shenzou]

I am curious to know if someone continually invested a lot of time in studying a game involved in gambling, further if he had played the game a lot to understand the intricacies involved, then can we call him an expert in that gambling game? If we do call him an expert then we clearly differentiate his experience and expertise from that of a novice. This clearly shows that the person is capable of winning more as an expert than the novice who really does not have the in-depth understanding of the play.

This brings us to an interesting question if hard work in gambling really pays off? If one puts in a lot of efforts to understand a game involved in gambling, does it mean that all his time has gone down the drain? Certainly no. If gambling were simply a blind guess or a wild shot then even years of studying it makes it useless because one is simply guessing the outcome blindly. But such is not the scenario with gambling in reality. What makes hard work count in gambling?

This further sets off the question of addiction in gambling. Work can also be an addiction for many. But here the addiction could be for perfecting the game and the art of playing. This kind of addiction is to struggle every time for success by proper calculation and review. However, addiction can also be due to pure greed of winning with no clear knowledge of the game. If hard work counts, then we may actually find a solution for a healthier addiction towards success in gambling.

Well for the most part some people will say that gambling is entirely a game of luck and it does not matter if you are new or an expert, but i personally think that luck makes up 70% of the gambling and 30% is skill, so the more you play and the more games you experience you start lowering the percentage of luck, and besides some games can entirely be based on skill and strategy and beating the system like blackjack where if you play many games and learn strategies and tricks like counting you can definitely make it a skill based game.