Does hard work in gambling count?

[Betwrong]

I think this can be applied to poker and to poker only. That's a known fact that there are professional poker players who win more than others on average. Although many gamblers think that sports betting is also skill based I disagree with them. I've never heard of a professional sports better who can really prove that he/she is having constant income from sports betting. I think that it's impossible even theoretically because knowing which team will win puts you in a position when you have to risk ten times more of the money than you can potentially win.

that's totally not true , there are many professional sports bettors as well and you can find plenty of them by googling professional tipsters or just checking twitter
these guys have sample of over 4000 picks for example where they show profit , in order to be professional let's say you averaging 3 units profit a month then your 1 unit bet should 500 euros for example and you should be making 1500 euros a month

there are also a plenty of sportstraders as well , try searching for trading betfair professional and you will see how many are generating income by just trading the odds in betfair

Well, I'm aware of the existence of the so called "professional sports bettors", but I can't take them seriously. The thing is that there are millions of sports bettors and you can always find several of them who were so lucky that they were making mostly winning bets during the past years. I've seen many of "professional dice bettors" too, sharing their advises for free and even those trying to sell their strategy. They genuinely believe that they've found a winning method while in reality they were just lucky that their strategy worked several times in a row (or many times in a row, which is also statistically possible). The more bettors you have in a specific field, the higher the chance of some of them having strategies that "work".

I am not subscribed to any paid pro sportbetting services, because pro bettors who sell picks are like snake oil salesmen to me. If winning systems really existed no one would have sold them. I haven't heard of anyone having become a millionaire by reading poker books and then winning a bunch of tournaments. Most if not all of the pro poker players are sponsored by big casinos and they get paid to play in all worldwide events popularizing the brand. I have nothing against the peeps, they just lucked out a couple of times and got famous and now are reaping the rewards of their popularity. The business of influencing people is very lucrative 

I think you are right, but only to an extent. I agree that hardly anyone has became a millionaire by reading poker books and then winning a lot, and I agree that the professional poker players are mostly sponsored by big casinos for promoting a brand, but some of them do play good. I mean it's obvious that they play much better than average, we can't deny it. Same goes for online poker too btw. If you were playing long enough you would notice that there are always the same people in the finals of tournaments with hundreds of participants.

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[ralle14]

Putting your time in to poker and sports betting counts. For the most part it's all on luck because it can turn things in your way even though all hope is lost. Few years ago when I was new to gambling I used to hate tipsters because a lot were faking stats and doing everything they can to encourage new people to avail their service. Now, I believe that there are still a few legit tipster that do make money but they're not well known. It won't make them rich because these guys experience losing days too but they can turn things around easily compared to an inexperienced gambler.

[LastKiss]

I am curious to know if someone continually invested a lot of time in studying a game involved in gambling, further if he had played the game a lot to understand the intricacies involved, then can we call him an expert in that gambling game? If we do call him an expert then we clearly differentiate his experience and expertise from that of a novice. This clearly shows that the person is capable of winning more as an expert than the novice who really does not have the in-depth understanding of the play.

This brings us to an interesting question if hard work in gambling really pays off? If one puts in a lot of efforts to understand a game involved in gambling, does it mean that all his time has gone down the drain? Certainly no. If gambling were simply a blind guess or a wild shot then even years of studying it makes it useless because one is simply guessing the outcome blindly. But such is not the scenario with gambling in reality. What makes hard work count in gambling?

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I'm wondering what kind of hard work do you mean? Analyzing on sports betting ? Strategy on poker ?
It would be useless if you do research on games that need pure luck, well if you're doing some research on sports betting then you can minimize the risk,
that's what makes your hard work count also you can pick the best choice

[Ridwan Fauzi]

There is no hard work in gambling, because seriously what hard works can you do in gambling if betting was easy as pie, literally there is no hard work in gambling. Winning against the house might be a hard work but you'll end up losing as always.

Yes easy as pie to really lose most of your hard earnings, But I can agree to you can not apply hardwork in gambling if the game will always be base on chances the only effort you can apply is self control, and patients that you can really win it big, Self control because you must learn in controlling your emotions when you lost every bet you made and ending up wasting all your money or getting addicted with gambling.

Some people say gambling is pure about lucky, maybe what is meant by him. But in fact, the gamble is not just to spend and then wait for the yield of the gamble and get the victory, it's not about that. A person's understanding of gambling will lead them to luck. Indeed, in gambling there is no need for hard work to understand, you just need to see how to play and start to bet.

[Script3d]

Putting your time in to poker and sports betting counts. For the most part it's all on luck because it can turn things in your way even though all hope is lost.

and other gambling games that uses analysis counts too. luck plays a huge role in gambling it can change your life depend on the result its either you win or lose that's how gambling works.

[Maricel2017]

Putting your time in to poker and sports betting counts. For the most part it's all on luck because it can turn things in your way even though all hope is lost.

and other gambling games that uses analysis counts too. luck plays a huge role in gambling it can change your life depend on the result its either you win or lose that's how gambling works.

For me still gambling is based on the luck of each player, lucky person always win, for me being hard working in gambling is for those people who are addicted in playing poker and othe gambling games. based on my experience and by reading some article or shared by other gamblers those people who have small capital those are easily to lose and if you have huge capital you can even break even but still the loosing side is much high percentage.

[gabmen]

Putting your time in to poker and sports betting counts. For the most part it's all on luck because it can turn things in your way even though all hope is lost.

and other gambling games that uses analysis counts too. luck plays a huge role in gambling it can change your life depend on the result its either you win or lose that's how gambling works.

Goes to say that hard work applies to some gambling games but majority would only waste your time since they're mainly reliant on luck. Poker for me not only counts hard work, but you have to enjoy what you're doing. It's easy to like poker anyways

[btc-facebook]

Most gambling will make you loss but sometimes it can depend on luck and guts !
For example : Dan Bilzerian as pro poker player must have guts and luck so he can achieve millionaire status right now !

So if you keep consistent on what you do , you may achieve it too !

[crwth]

Most gambling will make you loss but sometimes it can depend on luck and guts !
For example : Dan Bilzerian as pro poker player must have guts and luck so he can achieve millionaire status right now !

So if you keep consistent on what you do , you may achieve it too !

Gambling always depends on luck. You lose because the luck isn’t with you and it’s just the chances. If think about it is just how people manage to think and with that they make it seem that everything is not fair and assume that you lost because It’s rigged or something. People should forget that mindset and look forward to the capacity of someone who has positive thinking and hard work to learn how to win.

[Wendigo]

Most gambling will make you loss but sometimes it can depend on luck and guts !
For example : Dan Bilzerian as pro poker player must have guts and luck so he can achieve millionaire status right now !

So if you keep consistent on what you do , you may achieve it too !

Dan Bilzerian comes from a filthy rich family and the money he is betting with is 100% his father's lol. He hasn't won anything substantial in his poker career. His millionaire status is not achieved through any gambling by the way. Dan Bilzerian is showing off on his Instagram account throwing wads of cash around and people think he is some kind of a pokerstar when in reality I dare say he has probably lost more than he has won in his lifetime. He has a big following for a reason guys   Dan has a loooooooooooot of guns though I will give him that  

Let's take Daniel Negreanu for example. He is a self-made poker millionaire and has won quite some tournaments, but I bet that his sponsorship with PokerStars and his books have made him more money than all the earnings from the tournaments he has been in.

[StImelda]

The odds are almost always set against you in gambling and rewards are pure based on luck or good fortune rather than on hardwork. That is why it is called gambling

[hubballi]

The odds are almost always set against you in gambling and rewards are pure based on luck or good fortune rather than on hardwork. That is why it is called gambling

Why you are saying is depends on casino and dice game type where no calculation or hard work is working and it is purely depends on luck. But if you  are gambling on sports or poker then I think hardworking pays you hardwork means by preparing report and analysing in games and then gambling will pay you

[JL421]

It depends on the game and also it depends that weather you are playing against a player or against the house because most of the time studying the game doesn't help if it's against the house but if you wanna play something like poker or blackjack against someone else spending time on the game will surely help

[Elai101]

Putting your time in to poker and sports betting counts. For the most part it's all on luck because it can turn things in your way even though all hope is lost.

and other gambling games that uses analysis counts too. luck plays a huge role in gambling it can change your life depend on the result its either you win or lose that's how gambling works.

For me still gambling is based on the luck of each player, lucky person always win, for me being hard working in gambling is for those people who are addicted in playing poker and othe gambling games. based on my experience and by reading some article or shared by other gamblers those people who have small capital those are easily to lose and if you have huge capital you can even break even but still the loosing side is much high percentage.

Yes, that is true! Gambling is more particular with luck but if its plus by hardwork that would be very effective. You must learn what you do or shall I say, experience it more so that you would know the routine and strategy. By that luck will follow so that your hardwork will not be worthless.

[Topcarey]

I am curious to know if someone continually invested a lot of time in studying a game involved in gambling, further if he had played the game a lot to understand the intricacies involved, then can we call him an expert in that gambling game? If we do call him an expert then we clearly differentiate his experience and expertise from that of a novice. This clearly shows that the person is capable of winning more as an expert than the novice who really does not have the in-depth understanding of the play.

This brings us to an interesting question if hard work in gambling really pays off? If one puts in a lot of efforts to understand a game involved in gambling, does it mean that all his time has gone down the drain? Certainly no. If gambling were simply a blind guess or a wild shot then even years of studying it makes it useless because one is simply guessing the outcome blindly. But such is not the scenario with gambling in reality. What makes hard work count in gambling?

This further sets off the question of addiction in gambling. Work can also be an addiction for many. But here the addiction could be for perfecting the game and the art of playing. This kind of addiction is to struggle every time for success by proper calculation and review. However, addiction can also be due to pure greed of winning with no clear knowledge of the game. If hard work counts, then we may actually find a solution for a healthier addiction towards success in gambling.

I think this can be applied to poker and to poker only. That's a known fact that there are professional poker players who win more than others on average. Although many gamblers think that sports betting is also skill based I disagree with them. I've never heard of a professional sports better who can really prove that he/she is having constant income from sports betting. I think that it's impossible even theoretically because knowing which team will win puts you in a position when you have to risk ten times more of the money than you can potentially win.

Yeah you are right to become a gambler expert you have to give as much time as you can and wok hard to gain all skills of goof gambling. Spending time with gambling experts will make you able to win the game after getting skills. Some games do not need any experience like dice and lotteries. There only luck will favor you and you will win the game or lottery.

[maydna]

The odds are almost always set against you in gambling and rewards are pure based on luck or good fortune rather than on hardwork. That is why it is called gambling

Why you are saying is depends on casino and dice game type where no calculation or hard work is working and it is purely depends on luck. But if you  are gambling on sports or poker then I think hardworking pays you hardwork means by preparing report and analysing in games and then gambling will pay you

I don't know about sports but maybe it can be a hard work since we collecting much information about each team that will be played and we analyze the data. but maybe it will the same if we are playing the gambling games using strategy so we can have a chance to win. but for me, no matter what is the games in the gambling, I don't think that it's part of hard work because we still depend on the luck that can help us to win the games.

[Betwrong]

I am curious to know if someone continually invested a lot of time in studying a game involved in gambling, further if he had played the game a lot to understand the intricacies involved, then can we call him an expert in that gambling game? If we do call him an expert then we clearly differentiate his experience and expertise from that of a novice. This clearly shows that the person is capable of winning more as an expert than the novice who really does not have the in-depth understanding of the play.

This brings us to an interesting question if hard work in gambling really pays off? If one puts in a lot of efforts to understand a game involved in gambling, does it mean that all his time has gone down the drain? Certainly no. If gambling were simply a blind guess or a wild shot then even years of studying it makes it useless because one is simply guessing the outcome blindly. But such is not the scenario with gambling in reality. What makes hard work count in gambling?

This further sets off the question of addiction in gambling. Work can also be an addiction for many. But here the addiction could be for perfecting the game and the art of playing. This kind of addiction is to struggle every time for success by proper calculation and review. However, addiction can also be due to pure greed of winning with no clear knowledge of the game. If hard work counts, then we may actually find a solution for a healthier addiction towards success in gambling.

I think this can be applied to poker and to poker only. That's a known fact that there are professional poker players who win more than others on average. Although many gamblers think that sports betting is also skill based I disagree with them. I've never heard of a professional sports better who can really prove that he/she is having constant income from sports betting. I think that it's impossible even theoretically because knowing which team will win puts you in a position when you have to risk ten times more of the money than you can potentially win.

Yeah you are right to become a gambler expert you have to give as much time as you can and wok hard to gain all skills of goof gambling. Spending time with gambling experts will make you able to win the game after getting skills. Some games do not need any experience like dice and lotteries. There only luck will favor you and you will win the game or lottery.

I'm not saying you will become an expert after watching those videos, but you will definitely improve your performance at the table. What I've learned is that if you have a really good hand you shouldn't think another player has a better one if he/she is rising big time. You just should think to yourself "What will be will be" and call. Yes, you have a chance to lose, but if your chances to win are much higher, you have to call. Works for me most of the time.

[neonshium]

I am curious to know if someone continually invested a lot of time in studying a game involved in gambling, further if he had played the game a lot to understand the intricacies involved, then can we call him an expert in that gambling game? If we do call him an expert then we clearly differentiate his experience and expertise from that of a novice. This clearly shows that the person is capable of winning more as an expert than the novice who really does not have the in-depth understanding of the play.

This brings us to an interesting question if hard work in gambling really pays off? If one puts in a lot of efforts to understand a game involved in gambling, does it mean that all his time has gone down the drain? Certainly no. If gambling were simply a blind guess or a wild shot then even years of studying it makes it useless because one is simply guessing the outcome blindly. But such is not the scenario with gambling in reality. What makes hard work count in gambling?

This further sets off the question of addiction in gambling. Work can also be an addiction for many. But here the addiction could be for perfecting the game and the art of playing. This kind of addiction is to struggle every time for success by proper calculation and review. However, addiction can also be due to pure greed of winning with no clear knowledge of the game. If hard work counts, then we may actually find a solution for a healthier addiction towards success in gambling.

Hard work does not make any sense when you are gambling or betting on a pure luck game. Hard work only pays off on a game that needs skill to win.

This is my point. Hard work never counts when you are doing a wrong act. If this is the case and point of nature, then a person who is going to kill somebody in other city has to do hard efforts to make a good kill at the end of day. He can claims that I have traveled so many years and had such hard efforts so why I am not getting successful. Wrong never have a right face.

[audaciousbeing]

I am curious to know if someone continually invested a lot of time in studying a game involved in gambling, further if he had played the game a lot to understand the intricacies involved, then can we call him an expert in that gambling game? If we do call him an expert then we clearly differentiate his experience and expertise from that of a novice. This clearly shows that the person is capable of winning more as an expert than the novice who really does not have the in-depth understanding of the play.

This brings us to an interesting question if hard work in gambling really pays off? If one puts in a lot of efforts to understand a game involved in gambling, does it mean that all his time has gone down the drain? Certainly no. If gambling were simply a blind guess or a wild shot then even years of studying it makes it useless because one is simply guessing the outcome blindly. But such is not the scenario with gambling in reality. What makes hard work count in gambling?

This further sets off the question of addiction in gambling. Work can also be an addiction for many. But here the addiction could be for perfecting the game and the art of playing. This kind of addiction is to struggle every time for success by proper calculation and review. However, addiction can also be due to pure greed of winning with no clear knowledge of the game. If hard work counts, then we may actually find a solution for a healthier addiction towards success in gambling.

Based on your outlined explanation, I am compelled agree with you that  hard work actually speaks but rather than emphasising hard work, it would be better to say smart work in gambling because the hard work nomenclature could be misconstrued and if interpreted literally, its would only lead to addiction which is something that I would always advocate against as that has led to the downfall of so many people irrespective of wherever they are.

The smart work of gambling most times is surely better. For a games of intelligence such as chess, cards, black jacks etc. Its of course smart works but the issue is that a lot of people who thinks they are smart about it are actually hardworkers which makes winning difficult but for chance games like dice or football, its less reliant on intelligence.

[adaseb]

What you guys are saying is true, that with certain games like "dice" having "worked hard" won't have any effect on your odds. If the next roll is meant to be a loss, then no amount of "working hard" will help you win.

However you need to realize that when you work hard, you gain experience and experience is something that can't be taught.

Why do most people fail at dice? They basically martingale or they get greedy and emotional.

With enough experience you will learn how "not" to be greedy and emotional and it can help you in your dice gambling even though its based on odds and chances.

However there are easier ways to achieve this and one way would be to simply code some bot to do the rolls for your. Unless there is some bug, the bot won't get emotional and make greedy/fearful bets which is where most humans fail, especially the new gamblers.