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February 12, 2014, 04:02:09 AM
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 Their software won't transfer from a wallet with unconfirmed transactions.  

might be time to get that fixed?

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February 12, 2014, 05:19:04 AM
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 Their software won't transfer from a wallet with unconfirmed transactions.  

might be time to get that fixed?

Yes and that is besides the point.   It is much harder to fix 100's or 1000's of clients instead of have something that cleans the dust out before it causes problems.   The real fix is probably to get the pools to throw out these absurd transactions.   
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February 12, 2014, 05:59:31 AM
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Their software won't transfer from a wallet with unconfirmed transactions. 

might be time to get that fixed?

Yes and that is besides the point.   It is much harder to fix 100's or 1000's of clients instead of have something that cleans the dust out before it causes problems.   The real fix is probably to get the pools to throw out these absurd transactions.   

No pool has included these "absurd transactions" that is why it is still unconfirmed.
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February 12, 2014, 06:21:59 AM
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Their software won't transfer from a wallet with unconfirmed transactions. 

might be time to get that fixed?

Yes and that is besides the point.   It is much harder to fix 100's or 1000's of clients instead of have something that cleans the dust out before it causes problems.   The real fix is probably to get the pools to throw out these absurd transactions.   

No pool has included these "absurd transactions" that is why it is still unconfirmed.

Ahh ... I stand corrected.
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February 12, 2014, 08:17:00 AM
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I lolled. Why should we be worried? You can sent out 1200 transactions of 1 satoshi's without a problem. If it ever confirms or get confirmed at all is the second question and the answer to that is most likely not. Almost all miners will simply ignore this transaction.

What if its a test for something bigger?  What if someone decides to try 12,000,000 transactions now..


OMG!  Or worse?!  What if somebody decides to try to send 22,000,000 1BTC transactions!

what if the blockchain begins to think for itself and pulls skynet on our asses?  

Then we have to find John Connor, or his mom, or the governator, I think.
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February 12, 2014, 08:55:50 AM
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Damn, I'm disappointed.  I received 2 satoshis and I was hoping to give them one day to my grandchildren.  Now you guys tell me they will never confirm... Sadness.
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February 12, 2014, 09:39:39 AM
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Hm now this dust rule by Gavin is looking good, right? This rule was controversial when implemented. I think that there are many nodes which did not implement this rule.
Is this dust rule hard? When some miners include such transactions (even if the fee is too low, the priority will rise over time).

But this will always be a trade-off. On the one hand we want free transactions. Even the 0.0001btc fee seems to be high, if you only want to send someone 5 oder 10 cents (USD), because the minimum fee is 6cent at the moment. But if you lower the fee, the network get's spamed.


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February 12, 2014, 09:40:36 AM
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Bitcoin wasn't created to deal with low value transactions as far as I know. If you want to send an amount that is lower then it's fee, then you are doing something stupid and wrong. But well, that's my opinion.

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February 12, 2014, 10:03:54 AM
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Bitcoin wasn't created to deal with low value transactions as far as I know. If you want to send an amount that is lower then it's fee, then you are doing something stupid and wrong. But well, that's my opinion.

Honestly, if you're sending eight cents or less, I have no idea whom you are paying, but, if they don't let eight cents slide, they're pretty cheap.

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February 12, 2014, 10:07:09 AM
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Bitcoin wasn't created to deal with low value transactions as far as I know. If you want to send an amount that is lower then it's fee, then you are doing something stupid and wrong. But well, that's my opinion.

Honestly, if you're sending eight cents or less, I have no idea whom you are paying, but, if they don't let eight cents slide, they're pretty cheap.

I could send 8cent to everyone with a good post Smiley

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February 12, 2014, 11:58:58 AM
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I received 2 of these satoshi spams too. They don't cause too much harm, just really annoying being there...
So, I just send all my unspent coins (total balance minus the 2 satoshis) to another address,
and let those satoshis rot there.... (out of sight, out of mind)
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February 12, 2014, 12:28:12 PM
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I received 2 of these satoshi spams too. They don't cause too much harm, just really annoying being there...
So, I just send all my unspent coins (total balance minus the 2 satoshis) to another address,
and let those satoshis rot there.... (out of sight, out of mind)

So  , have those transactions been confirmed by somebody? I thought no pool will include them.


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February 12, 2014, 12:43:32 PM
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So , have those transactions been confirmed by somebody? I thought no pool will include them.

If I misled you, I just want to clarify:
I send away my own coins already in that address, leaving those 2 satoshis behind.

Those spams are over 25kb in size and should pay at least 0.0025btc in fees, but the tx only pays 0.0001btc.
So yes, no pool would include them.
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February 12, 2014, 12:51:22 PM
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I received 2 of these satoshi spams too. They don't cause too much harm, just really annoying being there...
So, I just send all my unspent coins (total balance minus the 2 satoshis) to another address,
and let those satoshis rot there.... (out of sight, out of mind)

So  , have those transactions been confirmed by somebody? I thought no pool will include them.



They'll just stay there unconfirmed most probably.

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So it turns out my concerns were semi-legit?   Cheesy
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February 12, 2014, 09:37:48 PM
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So , have those transactions been confirmed by somebody? I thought no pool will include them.

If I misled you, I just want to clarify:
I send away my own coins already in that address, leaving those 2 satoshis behind.

Those spams are over 25kb in size and should pay at least 0.0025btc in fees, but the tx only pays 0.0001btc.
So yes, no pool would include them.


No, you can still send transaction with no fee. You just have to wait a time, until they get confirmed. The problem with this spam transactions is, that every outout classified as dust (below 5500 satoshis). Maybe there can be some miner who include it some day.

btw: I got one satoshi now, too. From where did this guy get all this addresses? He just used alle addresses of the last block...

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February 12, 2014, 11:02:30 PM
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I wouldn't complain if someone gave me free stuff.. Seriously tho, I can't really see anything to worry about.

That stupid 1 Satoshi spam may have cost me .05 BTC.  It isn't much money but it has at least cost others LOTS of wasted time.  Anytime someone is stealing your time it isn't free.

A wallet I was working with a vendor with got spammed.  Their software won't transfer from a wallet with unconfirmed transactions.   Since it was their wallet I'm at their mercy to manually transfer the funds because the connection between that wallet and my account was broken.  

You can keep your free stuff!  Angry

I did get the .05 BTC refunded.  Blockchain has records so it just took time.   What really irks me is I had to waste more than an hour over a small amount!   I sincerely hope the spammers go bankrupt and it is terrible to feel that way.   
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February 12, 2014, 11:05:54 PM
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I also received a 1 Satoshi transaction, but Electrum seems to ignore it (I only found out, because I was checking the address for something). I got it after a payment I received got confirmed. I am guessing that this person has a script setup that checks the latest block for addresses and then automatically send a Satoshi to those addresses.

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I got 4 emails from Blockchain about a failed 1 Satoshi transaction. This is getting kinda weird...
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So it turns out my concerns were semi-legit?   Cheesy

No, however you deserve credit for riling up the clueless.

Bitcoin addresses are public knowledge much like postal addresses.  Say one day I felt stupid and decided I wanted to mail 1 US penny to 10,000 random postal addresses.

Do you know what could happen? You might open your mailbox one day and .... HOLY CRAP there would be a penny in there.  How could this happen? You didn't ask for a penny and it was mailed from some anonymous mailbox?  What the hell is going on?  Has the security of the postal mail system been broken? Is someone tracking you?  What if this is part of some 51% postal attack?  I heard they are "dusting" your finances with this penny so when you deposit it then they can hack your bank account from the inside out.  OH NOES! CALL HOMELAND SECURITY!  We need to stop this.  Someone should put penny detectors on all mail drops to ensure hackers aren't able to destroy the world economy by mailing pennies.   We need to act now.   The entire postal system as we know it could collapse within days if people can just mail things to other people and stuff.

This is the digital equivalent of that, and the reaction is just as silly.
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