[pandacoin] The Panda Coin ♥ Scrypt Adaptive-N w/Kimotos Gravity Well ★

[organizer]

Hi Guys,

I have kept pretty quiet today as I wanted to see what the general tone is from people.

There are a few things that are abundantly obvious

1. We have grown incredibly fast for a 5 day old coin and a lot of people can see that.. we have over 100k views on here with almost 200 pages..

2. however, contained within those 200 pages is a lot of mixed feedback from people and thats completely fair, we expect it and we/I am doing my best to address all points in the politest way possible in order to bring some order to all the cries of scamming and whatever else.

3. A lot of you guys who are hating on the coin seem to forget that there are a team of people behind this coin, not just Wolong. What I mean by this, is that whilst wolongs is indeed involved, you need to set aside your opinions of him for a minute and consider the other team members on board whilst making an informed decision as to whether or not this coin is for you.

4. Our devs have a very good track record with UNO and it has been an established coin for a long time - I know first hand that not a single person on the team would put themselves in a position where their reputations could be irreparably damaged, myself included, even just from the point of view of being a community facing team member.

5. Lets focus on the bigger picture here.. will this coin succeed? Who knows.. time will certainly tell, but we will be doing our utmost to make that a certainty every step of the way, i can promise you that

6. Lets address the elephant in the room.. Wolong.. is it fair to say that he is not doing this out of some huge altruistic gesture? Absolutely, and it would be stupid to think that. Second, lets not beat around the bush, everyone is involved with crypto for financial gain and what not, the community aspect is fantastic and that is no doubt a secondary reason as to why people are here. Do I believe that wolong is going to make OTHER people money? I don't know, but I hear he has already, multiple times over.. Does that mean that I will personally stake my life savings on his words/promises and whatever else.. absolutely not, but thats not bceause i don't trust the guy, its beacuse thats just my character and i want to be open about it, but thats me.

7. The whole argument with regard to innovation - this is going to become a moot point in a month or so when the vast majority of coins being released are goign to be implementing these technologies as they are a much needed market correction which IN MY OPINION should be rolled out as the defacto way of building new alts (that is with N and KGW). I know a lot of you guys are rooting for vert..but theres no need to 'root' for anyone, we are not at war here and we can certainly each have our own market share without stepping on eachothers toes. We live in an open source community where the drive is to create innovation which can be shared.. not get in to troll pseudo-patent wars over something that is actually going to benefit both past and present devs of new alts.


to summarise -  I would like to give you my unbiased opinion, and i sincerely hope that to both 'schools of thought' here you will take me at my word.
you are all entitled for your own personal reasons to make your own decisions on wolong.. but please be more considerate to the fact that wolong is not doing anything day-to-day to maintain PANDA from a tech standpoint, the network or speak to you all for the most part and to please realise that there are many moving parts to this machine and we hope that whilst your opinion of wolong may be slightly 'low'.. we encourage you to look beyond that to what we are trying to do and work toward as a community.

I am in no way trying to 'win anyone over' here, i am just trying to be fair with those who have taken it upon themselves to hammer this thread with accusations, big black and red letters and all-round mention of distrust/disgust for the guy.

Like I have said from day 1, you are not being forced to mine the coin, we appreciate your view if you are not interested and we are massively grateful to everyone who has jumped on the PANDA bamboo canoe and taken a ride with us, its going to be great

sev

As a miner and supporter of the coin, I think the devs (and others) need to start building a community for the coin outside of the wolong facet. Start coming up with bounties, giveaways, etc. It needs to exist outside of an IRC channel.

[Susra]

3. A lot of you guys who are hating on the coin seem to forget that there are a team of people behind this coin, not just Wolong. What I mean by this, is that whilst wolongs is indeed involved, you need to set aside your opinions of him for a minute and consider the other team members on board whilst making an informed decision as to whether or not this coin is for you.

In your team there are people like Molly-machine-market-mikkas, who publicly lied about being involved with wolong before. Does that mean we should trust him now to tell the truth about anything he says about this coin/his charity prospects etc.?

to summarise -  I would like to give you my unbiased opinion, and i sincerely hope that to both 'schools of thought' here you will take me at my word.

I fail to see how we could consider your opinion unbiased in any way, given your involvement with the coin and community.

[TheStuhlman]

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[jocke_]

i heard rumours that some dev (maybe 'jacob') of your team had threatened some exchange owner (was it cryptorush owner?) today? what was that?

[johncclarke]

Hi Guys,

I have kept pretty quiet today as I wanted to see what the general tone is from people.

There are a few things that are abundantly obvious

1. We have grown incredibly fast for a 5 day old coin and a lot of people can see that.. we have over 100k views on here with almost 200 pages..

2. however, contained within those 200 pages is a lot of mixed feedback from people and thats completely fair, we expect it and we/I am doing my best to address all points in the politest way possible in order to bring some order to all the cries of scamming and whatever else.

3. A lot of you guys who are hating on the coin seem to forget that there are a team of people behind this coin, not just Wolong. What I mean by this, is that whilst wolongs is indeed involved, you need to set aside your opinions of him for a minute and consider the other team members on board whilst making an informed decision as to whether or not this coin is for you.

4. Our devs have a very good track record with UNO and it has been an established coin for a long time - I know first hand that not a single person on the team would put themselves in a position where their reputations could be irreparably damaged, myself included, even just from the point of view of being a community facing team member.

5. Lets focus on the bigger picture here.. will this coin succeed? Who knows.. time will certainly tell, but we will be doing our utmost to make that a certainty every step of the way, i can promise you that

6. Lets address the elephant in the room.. Wolong.. is it fair to say that he is not doing this out of some huge altruistic gesture? Absolutely, and it would be stupid to think that. Second, lets not beat around the bush, everyone is involved with crypto for financial gain and what not, the community aspect is fantastic and that is no doubt a secondary reason as to why people are here. Do I believe that wolong is going to make OTHER people money? I don't know, but I hear he has already, multiple times over.. Does that mean that I will personally stake my life savings on his words/promises and whatever else.. absolutely not, but thats not bceause i don't trust the guy, its beacuse thats just my character and i want to be open about it, but thats me.

7. The whole argument with regard to innovation - this is going to become a moot point in a month or so when the vast majority of coins being released are goign to be implementing these technologies as they are a much needed market correction which IN MY OPINION should be rolled out as the defacto way of building new alts (that is with N and KGW). I know a lot of you guys are rooting for vert..but theres no need to 'root' for anyone, we are not at war here and we can certainly each have our own market share without stepping on eachothers toes. We live in an open source community where the drive is to create innovation which can be shared.. not get in to troll pseudo-patent wars over something that is actually going to benefit both past and present devs of new alts.


to summarise -  I would like to give you my unbiased opinion, and i sincerely hope that to both 'schools of thought' here you will take me at my word.
you are all entitled for your own personal reasons to make your own decisions on wolong.. but please be more considerate to the fact that wolong is not doing anything day-to-day to maintain PANDA from a tech standpoint, the network or speak to you all for the most part and to please realise that there are many moving parts to this machine and we hope that whilst your opinion of wolong may be slightly 'low'.. we encourage you to look beyond that to what we are trying to do and work toward as a community.

I am in no way trying to 'win anyone over' here, i am just trying to be fair with those who have taken it upon themselves to hammer this thread with accusations, big black and red letters and all-round mention of distrust/disgust for the guy.

Like I have said from day 1, you are not being forced to mine the coin, we appreciate your view if you are not interested and we are massively grateful to everyone who has jumped on the PANDA bamboo canoe and taken a ride with us, its going to be great

sev

Thank you sevoque, you've done an amazing job at keeping things at bay. I wish I could say that I had the same amount of patience. You're right in that crypto's are new and sharing code and tech to build something better is what the open source community is all about.

I support PANDA and the way you're handling things make me think that this coin has a great future ahead of it.

+1 sevoque
+1 PANDA

[pwpwpw]

hey, the first panda client was v0.8.6.2-gffa9eb1-beta and now its v0.8.6.2-g2e3363c-beta on http://www.thepandacoin.com/
did you guys change anything important in the client ? would be nice if you updated OP or made a changelog on the coin's site.

[ahnonamis]

sevoque, if you want people to focus on the rest of the team and not just Wolong, maybe you shouldn't have made a majority of the first post about Wolong? Hell, his name's even in the official coin logo. I'm all for realizing that the DEVELOPERS are nice guys who have a proven track record, so focus on that more, and make it less about Wolong.

[alc]

theres no need to 'root' for anyone, we are not at war here and we can certainly each have our own market share without stepping on eachothers toes.

Then you need to find a way to end Wolong's inflammatory and unprofessional communications with the community.

[Hardwyre]

theres no need to 'root' for anyone, we are not at war here and we can certainly each have our own market share without stepping on eachothers toes.

Then you need to find a way to end Wolong's inflammatory and unprofessional communications with the community.

Wolong could start by admitting he simply cloned Vertcoin and changed some variables, instead of acting like Steve Jobs and lying that he innovated everything.  But you can't expect common decency from ego.

[flipstyle]

ROFL.

Went back to Wolong's twitter account to screencap his 'declared war' on vtc and explicit threats to keep driving down the price by dumping his vtc shares.  Only to find out he just recently deleted every single tweet pertaining to vtc.

Looks like one of you PR guys had a sit down with him for damage control, eh?

'In Wolong you all trust.'

Stay classy, San Diego!

[miningcoinz]

theres no need to 'root' for anyone, we are not at war here and we can certainly each have our own market share without stepping on eachothers toes.

Then you need to find a way to end Wolong's inflammatory and unprofessional communications with the community.

Wolong could start by admitting he simply cloned Vertcoin and changed some variables, instead of acting like Steve Jobs and lying that he innovated everything.  But you can't expect common decency from ego.

i thought vert was a clone of panda..right?

[dacoinkeeper]

While I'm sure some nice people are involved, there are solid reasons to be against this coin. The premining of billions of coins should never be accepted by the community, especially when the main dev has a shady track record of pump and dumping and brags about such on IRC. Further, 1 or more of the people behind this coin have been behind DDOS attacks on PND, forum spamming, etc. I get that some of you want to distance the coin from Wolong, but that's not really possible when he premined billions of coins and will always have complete control over its fate. Add in his childlike fanboys and his own erratic behavior, and it's clear why anyone who cares about the crypto community as a whole wants this coin to stay the hell away from legitimate ones.

[Molly Machine]

That Mintpal Panda price though.
Doge added to their exchange as well. Nice.

[M-S-K]

I STILL CANT FIGURE OUT..HOW MANY PANDAS ARE THERE?? 5? 10? 

[CatKiwi]

I STILL CANT FIGURE OUT..HOW MANY PANDAS ARE THERE?? 5? 10? 

As long as there has been one true Panda there has been killing in it's name.

[M-S-K]

I STILL CANT FIGURE OUT..HOW MANY PANDAS ARE THERE?? 5? 10? 

As long as there has been one true Panda there has been killing in it's name.

How can I premine Panda 10.0?

[Walruse]

I STILL CANT FIGURE OUT..HOW MANY PANDAS ARE THERE?? 5? 10? 

As long as there has been one true Panda there has been killing in it's name.

How can I premine Panda 10.0?

You must lie, cheat and steal and then lie some more.

Source: Wolongs "book"

[erok]

PANDACOIN!

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[phaed]

There is one true PANDA, the rest are sad panda imitations.

[kahir]

something wrong with irc  

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