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July 09, 2018, 01:09:05 AM
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I am looking for an escrow to hold 20 BTC for a bounty placed upon a phisher / scammer, and manage the corresponding bounty.

For more information, please see this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4623173.0

Please let me know (via a reply or PM) if you are interested in being the escrow and manager of this bounty. You should be very trusted, and have held more than ~$100k in value before as an escrow.

Terms and definitions

The bounty will run until August 1st, 2019.

The phisher is defined as the person who operates max para.vn, as well as operating social engineering and impersonation attacks against the CoinLenders reimbursement process. This user has been contacting multiple users pretending to be me, and have successfully stole 50.625732 BTC. Of course, the phisher most likely is involved in more activities than this.

There are many reports of the operator of max para.vn using his phishing links to steal bitcointalk accounts, and credentials.

Primary Release Condition: The 20 BTC should be paid out to anyone who provides information that leads to the arrest, or a credible civil suit launched against the phisher that has proceeded past the discovery stage.

This party must not be the phisher, however can be associated with the phisher (e.g. partners in crime, friends, family) if you believe the release of the funds will not benefit the phisher in any way. 

Once the party has been identified, I intend to fully assist the respective police agencies in pursuing justice, including following up with the assistance of professionals, evaluating civil action, etc. All the evidence will be publicly posted however already.

Secondary Release: At your discretion, you may provide up to 5 out of the 20 BTC to parties that have provided important information about this case, such as credible dox to the Investigations section, etc. The release of this portion is at your discretion for what would be in the best interests of justice in this case. You should not pre-pay anyone for information.

Compensation

I will transfer you 21 BTC, which is placed under escrow / trust.

If the Primary Release Condition is met, you may claim 1 BTC from the escrow.

If the Primary Release Condition is not met by the end date of August 1st, 2019, you may claim 0.25 BTC from the escrow.

You must transfer any remaining amounts back to a bitcoin address I will publicly provide.

You may not transfer any remaining amounts, after the release date, to any other party (including yourself), even if they purport to have claims against me of any kind. You may not use the remaining amounts to settle any obligations.

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July 09, 2018, 03:07:11 AM
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I could help out if you are unable to find anyone else to escrow.

Find the fire hydrant in my Avatar for a prize.
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I doubt that he would pay you
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July 09, 2018, 10:05:02 AM
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I could help out if you are unable to find anyone else to escrow.
You will do an excellent job in "holding" them   Cheesy


133k USD is a huge amount.I can only think of few people who can escrow this amount.But pretty sure they won't be interested.
Check out bounty hunter, that might be a better option for you.
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archived for reference
manage the corresponding bounty.
I hope you are not asking the escrower to manage your bounty. If the answer is - no, you are not asking then the rest of the of the contents of this post are valid or you can ignore the rest.


I am really not sure how the community will react on this thread since I am not near to a legendary or above, not very long with this community and never worked as an escrow before however I will give it a try and I will hope that community will see it as a fair interest since I am attaching my entire career and reputation with it.

So, here I am showing interest to act as an escrow for your bounty. The reason I want you to feel comfortable with me is - on the forum my identity is fairly open. I am not much anonymous. My Facebook, LinkedIn, business website everything has been bought publicly. There was a manipulated biased investigation (backup screenshots #1, #2 and #3 ) against me by a member because I made him upset for merit abusing. So, he started to troll me everywhere and ended up doing all sorts of investigations just to humiliate me in the community. In the process he basically pulled almost everything about me on his investigation topic. So my identity is fairly open. Anything unpleasant from me will ruin my career and the reputation I have earned in the community which I won't let it happen.

Let me know what do you think? It does not matter if this is a successful application (sort of) or not - either way I am fine. This is a huge experiment from me even to post this thread in here.


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I withdraw my interest.

I could not stand the lies against me anymore. I can not prove them wrong too. It's better I live in peace.
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I am really not sure how the community will react on this thread since I am not near to a legendary or above, not very long with this community and never worked as an escrow before
I think you're nuts Tongue

Considering the high amount, and the long duration of the escrow, you may want to consider a 2-out-of-3 multisig: OP holds 1 key, and 2 escrows each hold one too. That way, 2 out of 3 parties can always make a transaction.

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manage the corresponding bounty.
I hope you are not asking the escrower to manage your bounty. If the answer is - no, you are not asking then the rest of the of the contents of this post are valid or you can ignore the rest.

So you're not interested in running the bounty but are interested in holding the $100k+?

I am really not sure how the community will react on this thread since I am not near to a legendary or above, not very long with this community and never worked as an escrow before however I will give it a try and I will hope that community will see it as a fair interest since I am attaching my entire career and reputation with it.

The same way they react when any other Marlon Rando offers escrow services with little to no trading history here. You don't even meet the criteria in the op so I'm not sure why you're applying. I'm sure lots of people would put their 'entire' career here on the line for 100k+.

Considering the high amount, and the long duration of the escrow, you may want to consider a 2-out-of-3 multisig: OP holds 1 key, and 2 escrows each hold one too. That way, 2 out of 3 parties can always make a transaction.

This. There's very few people here who should be trusted to hold onto such an amount and these kind of figures can make even good men turn bad. Maybe contact theymos and see if he would be interested in being one of the people.

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Considering the high amount, and the long duration of the escrow, you may want to consider a 2-out-of-3 multisig: OP holds 1 key, and 2 escrows each hold one too. That way, 2 out of 3 parties can always make a transaction.

This. There's very few people here who should be trusted to hold onto such an amount and these kind of figures can make even good men turn bad. Maybe contact theymos and see if he would be interested in being one of the people.
I agree with that you said Theymos should be among the escrow cause he is one of the respected person on this forum and it only trusted legendary member can hold such amount. However, it will also be better if the btc is split as LoyceV said.

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July 09, 2018, 05:52:51 PM
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I think you're nuts Tongue
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consider a 2-out-of-3 multisig: OP holds 1 key, and 2 escrows each hold one too. That way, 2 out of 3 parties can always make a transaction.
Can you enlighten me a bit. Feel free to PM me with any source you have. This seems a now lesson for me.
Never mind. I got the idea from Google  Smiley


So you're not interested in running the bounty but are interested in holding the $100k?
I do not actually understand what will be the job for the bounty manager here so thought to avoid it. Holding the amount was easy part so I picked that. Other than that I had nothing in mind.  

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You don't even meet the criteria in the op so I'm not sure why you're applying. I'm sure lots of people would put their 'entire' career here on the line for 100k+.
True but I thought the OP would make the call since this is not a listing where I am offering escrow service.

By the way thanks hilariousandco for your input. I better withdraw my interest. I really don't want any trouble for me.



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Application withdrawn

I could not stand the lies against me anymore. I can not prove them wrong too. It's better I live in peace.
So, I am willingly locking mdayonliner. Thank you BitcoinTalk. Be addictive, be a Bitcoiner.
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Please provide as much information as possible about the phisher owner, if any is known, this will assist bounty hunters in finding him sooner.

Additionally, for such a large amount of funds, I would recommend using one of the crypto escrow team: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1938190

Particularly MinerJones, as he is likely the most credible for this scale of funds.

Edit: If somebody can tell me the domain registrar, odds are good I can pull his registration dox.

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July 09, 2018, 06:02:24 PM
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I can hold the coins for you op

I will build a 16.1 bitcoin qt   make a clone of the drive and put it in a safedeposit box.

I will use a 2012 mac mini as I have 2 of them

I let me know if you want me to do it for you.

I have a secondary account


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I ask for these changes  in your terms

I get 1 btc  if  the phisher is caught

I get .33 btc if the phisher is not caught.


Nevermind  decided to not offer my services to you

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Please provide as much information as possible about the phisher owner, if any is known, this will assist bounty hunters in finding him sooner.

Additionally, for such a large amount of funds, I would recommend using one of the crypto escrow team: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1938190

Particularly MinerJones, as he is likely to most credible for this scale of funds.


Yes, i think MJ is the most credible for this deal unless OP has any problem with it.


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Edit: If somebody can tell me the domain registrar, odds are good I can pull his registration dox.

I tried to look up the info about the owner of this domain but failed to fetch any data from most of the whois sources.

Also, Looking at the situation there's no saying that the phisher used his real info while registering for the domain.
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July 09, 2018, 08:44:23 PM
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Considering the high amount, and the long duration of the escrow, you may want to consider a 2-out-of-3 multisig: OP holds 1 key, and 2 escrows each hold one too. That way, 2 out of 3 parties can always make a transaction.

That's a good idea.  Two trusted escrow sources who don't normally work with each other. 

Also, I don't know why you would offer more for the escrow service if the bounty succeeds as opposed to not.  Lets be honest there are plenty of places on this planet that the perp's IP could be traced to that could result in a dead end.  If you're serious about attracting a bounty hunter, then you have to be serious about attracting an escrow, and therefor you must be willing to pay, whether the perp is found or not.


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Look at how many people are jumping up like moths to a flame to hold an incredible amount of money Grin So how would a bounty like this be determined even if there was an "arrest record" which could likely be forged? Also, any lawsuit would probably be able to be forged as well, or even take an existing arrest and make it seem connected? You couldn't pay somebody enough to have to deal with all the forgeries and bullshit. The only people interested are ones who want to run with the 20 Bitcoin, in my opinion, regardless of what "standing" or "trustworthiness" they have on these forums.

Like Hilarious said, the only way to realistically do this would be multi sigs. Even then the chance for collusion between 2 people to steal the funds is incredibly high. Especially if they themselves produced convincing fake documents to make it appear that they were tricked into signing the funds over to a wrong person. What a clown fiesta.
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I'd like to suggest you to use SebastianJu, one of the most trusted forum escrows or maybe Quickseller would like to hold these 20 Bitcoins to make 40 total unpaid Bitcoins along with those other 20 Bitcoins he has for doing something but he didn't do it?

I withdraw my interest.

You got tagged already you Ponzi promoter, did you really think people are going to hand you 20BTC especially after the recent scandal of being a long term Ponzi promoter?

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You got tagged already you Ponzi promoter, did you really think people are going to hand you 20BTC especially after the recent scandal of being a long term Ponzi promoter?
I got tagged, I have explanations and let me handle it with hilariousandco. I do not need your input. Just stop following me.

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My Facebook, LinkedIn, business website everything has been bought publicly. There was a manipulated biased investigation (backup screenshots #1, #2 and #3 ) against me by a member because I made him upset for merit abusing. So, he started to troll me everywhere and ended up doing all sorts of investigations just to humiliate me in the community. In the process he basically pulled almost everything about me on his investigation topic. So my identity is fairly open. Anything unpleasant from me will ruin my career and the reputation I have earned in the community which I won't let it happen.

I agree that your identity is open and information was easy to find.

The investigation is not biased. You drew attention to yourself so I looked into who you are and reported your actions.

All the information provided is accurate to the best of my knowledge and if there is anything that is not - I will happily edit it when proof of inaccuracy is provided.


You expressed your opinion about me and opened numerous threads in which it was discussed. When I challenged you on the accusation and you didn't get the result you were wanting you opened more threads. Perhaps you can show me where you did that to anyone else ?

That fact is not hidden and for fairness I have mentioned on numerous occasions that you accused me of merit abuse. The accusation was thoroughly discussed here: here and here. You have kept repeating the same accusations every time I have criticized you.

The conclusion was that no merit was intentionally swapped and that on one occasion I gave merit to a post that was not well worded but was helping a user. I maintain that Lafu helps out many users on Bitcointalk and myself and many others feel that he deserves merit. As a precaution both Lafu and myself decided to avoid giving merit to each other to avoid even a hint of impropriety. I maintain that there was no conspiracy to swap merit and both my posts and Lafus posts have received merit from many other users.
I don't care much for rank or status since I don't participate in campaigns or bounties. I could have easily been a higher ranking member if I had made more posts since 2016.

On a number of occasions you have attempted to bait me which I ignored.
 
I even asked a DT member I know not to tag you (not that I would be able to control that - it was only a request since I was concerned about perception towards that member) so it would be judged fairly on the merits of the accusation.

The trolling accusation is also unfair. Other than pointing out what I disagreed with I did not "stalk", "follow" or "troll" you on this forum.

On a number of occasions I had you on ignore and others alerted me of yet more accusations towards me.

I edited some of my posts to be fairer or clearer and to take into account comments that others made criticizing my accusations. I also have the unfortunate situation where I am dyslexic so make a lot of mistakes and often have to re-read and edit them.

Not once did I try to silence or limit your input - like you attempted to do to me on numerous occasions. Here and your now deleted timer post and abusive posts. Here and here

I didn't troll your posts - I only responded to posts where I was mentioned.

You make about 5 threads for topics that can be in just one and then complain when people post in all 5.

People who know me will vouch that I do not let my opinion of someone cloud my judgement to deliberately misrepresent their character.

Likewise I will not let my opinion of someone cloud my judgement if they scam someone. It will call it out for how I see it.

People who criticize me fairly and ethically often end up as friends or gain my respect. Those that turn out to be hypocrites do not.






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This is off-topic here. Discussing about this issue will bring distraction only for the goal OP is trying to achieve. I suggest you to delete the post and move the contents either on this topic or on this topic. The second one is more appropriate.

It is too late here. So, you are not going to get any response now from me. Tomorrow I have a busy day but I will find some of my time to reply. The delay of my reply will also going to give you some more time if you want to edit/tweak your post.

PS: I am happy that you improved a lot and actually started to contribute for the forum (content creation and merit history backs up my claim) after I picked you on you and Lafu case. Before the incident - your concentration was only in Lafu and cryptopia support thread.

I could not stand the lies against me anymore. I can not prove them wrong too. It's better I live in peace.
So, I am willingly locking mdayonliner. Thank you BitcoinTalk. Be addictive, be a Bitcoiner.
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This is off-topic here. Discussing about this issue will bring distraction only for the goal OP is trying to achieve. I suggest you to delete the post and move the contents either on this topic or on this topic. The second one is more appropriate.

It is too late here. So, you are not going to get any response now from me. Tomorrow I have a busy day but I will find some of my time to reply. The delay of my reply will also going to give you some more time if you want to edit/tweak your post.

PS: I am happy that you improved a lot and actually started to contribute for the forum (content creation and merit history backs up my claim) after I picked you on you and Lafu case. Before the incident - your concentration was only in Lafu and cryptopia support thread.

It is not off topic - you brought it up in your first post. It was a reply to what YOU posted. http://archive.is/IfFdo

Yet another attempt to silence me.

Cryptopia forum closed recently. So I moved to post more on Bitcointalk - and only because I found how much history is on here.

My posting on here more has nothing to do with you. It was something that The Pharmacist said and what Eddie13 said about the cryptopia/btct - Hatfield/McCoy rivalry.
It lead to me having a closer look at what bitcointalk had to offer and resulted in this research. Other peoples enthusiasm for the history on here is why I am here more. Otherwise I would probably only made a few posts between then and now.

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Lafu and cryptopia support thread.
(Lafu has no thread and Cryptopia doesn't offer support on Bitcointalk)  ANN thread posts were only during the time Cryptopia was having a support crisis. I was helping users.
Their support team was having difficulty dealing with the volume of requests and I helped users that were having serious problems because I was in a position to help. Normally I rarely posted on bitcointalk.

Your content creation and merit history link proves nothing.

It only shows merit - it shows nothing of the two years prior. I'm not here to earn merit or to earn in bounties. I rarely used to make threads. Most of my posts were interacting with others on existing threads. Making new threads every time you have something to say makes a mess of the forum - even more so if it is multiple threads about the same issue.
You are trying to distract from the accusation against you by constantly regurgitating your accusation against me that I sent 19 merits to a user with 542 merits. To a user that is not a shitposter. I respect Lafu for what he does in his own free time for no reward - helping people.

You are trying to re-litigate your accusations against me over and over again because you were unhappy with the result. I am the troll ?

I'm here to talk about stuff that interests me. If there is stuff on this forum that interests me I will write here. If there is not - I will be elsewhere.

As far as I was concerned my issues with you were over and unless you keep on regurgitating old accusations. I prefer to not talk to you and have largely ignored you. I will comment when you mention me - especially if other users alert me that you are talking about me. Don't try and redirect me where I can and cannot talk. You brought me into this with your post so I have every right to respond here. If you don't want me to comment then don't bring my name into the conversation.

I have no intent on commenting in any of the other threads and if you can refrain from mentioning me further then I have nothing further to say about you that I haven't already said.


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So, he started to troll me everywhere and ended up doing all sorts of investigations

I started one thread in meta and moved your info to investigations so google can't index it.

Further reply here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4221113.msg42063192#msg42063192

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Anything relevant to "escrow" applications and their member's credibility is not off topic. Suggesting people delete their posts and post them somewhere else is not very ethical especially trying to convince them and moderators it is on topic, when it actually is. This post as well is on topic, discussing the situation of scam escrows and random people wanting 100 grand thrown at them to "keep safe".

This guy's red tag is well deserved. Might as well consider this a scammer baiting thread Grin Grin Grin
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